Post by Ivan The Terrible Post by Kevrob Post by John Locke
On Sat, 16 May 2020 17:18:29 -0700 (PDT), Ivan The Terrible
Post by Ivan The Terrible
No, say most psychiatrists
...the guy who has a personal relationship with a giant, invisible
white rabbit is fucking nuts but the guy who has a personal
relationship with a giant, invisible sky daddy is "perfectly sane".
The joker who talks to an invisible god is only deemed sane because
it's socially acceptable to do so.
Belief in very powerful, even omnipotent beings that one
talks to and, if not receiving responses aloud, then "in
my heart" is Son-of-Sam behavior. When one slaps the name
of a ghod on the boojum, then it gets "grandfathered in"
and therapists are willing to ply along with the fiction,
even if they don't believe in it themselves.
The whole superstructure of theology was created, or
emerged from and evolved from the Greco-Roman philosophical
tradition. It was established as a way that people who
used reason to deal with the universe rationalized the
mythologies of first the pre-Christian religion of the
ancient world, and later, Christianity. Untrue nonsense
wrapped in logic and philosophical speculation can buttress
the woo-woo quite well enough that oner does not need to be
mad to believe it.
That's a lie.
The origins of Judaism according to the current historical view,
in contradistinction to the religious account as described in the
text of the Hebrew Bible, lie in the Bronze Age amidst polytheistic
ancient Semitic religions, specifically evolving out of Ancient
Canaanite polytheism, then co-existing with Babylonian ...
Origins of Judaism - Wikipedia
Some folks can't be bothered to post a link.
Post by Ivan The Terrible Post by Kevrob
Centuries after the Renaissance and the Enlightenment,
rational people should have no excuse to be fooled any
Rational, you say?
How about these guys, all theists
You were a Catholic and you actually think your religion came from Greek mythology? It came from Judaism, jackass. Our Torah is part of your bible.
I wrote "theology," not "religion," and only an ignoramus or a
mendacious asshole would conflate the underlying mythology with
the tortuous attempts to justify myth with reality.
As for your list of (in)famous believers, the politicians and
generals may have held authentic theistic views, but had they not,
and expressed that lack of faith to the electorate or their
commanders, they wouldn't have gotten far in their careers.
When I wrote "... pre-Christian religion of the ancient world.."
I was not specifically referencing Judaism, anyway. Much later
Judaism has the likes of Spinoza and Maimonides spinning their
own theological webs. In ancient times, there were "Hellenized
Jews," and that strain of Jewish thought survives in Christianity,
if not in Judaism.
It is not true to say with Güdemann ("Monatsschrift," xlvii. 248)
that Hellenism had no appreciable influence upon the development of
Judaism; its influence was appreciable for many centuries; but it
was driven out of the Jewish camp by the national sentiment aroused
in the Maccabean and Bar Kokba revolts, and in forming the bridge
between Judaism and Christianity it lost whatever permanent influence
it might have possessed. Since that time, even in Egypt, the classical
home of Hellenism, rabbinical Jewish communities have flourished that
have borne no perceptible trace of the movement which made Alexandria great.
If one wants to dismiss the existence of the Septuagint (the
Old Testament in Greek) compiled before the Common Era, that
would just be anti-historical thinking.
Don't forget Gnosticism...
..and the importation of Platonic thought into the Christian
and Gnostic traditions.
Perhaps Philo never wrote?
Is Tandy next going to tell us Judaism absorbed no Persian
ideas during the Babylonian captivity?
As a philosopher, theologian or historian, Tandy is a great