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Is Religious Faith A Mental Illness?
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Ivan The Terrible
2020-05-17 00:18:29 UTC
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No, say most psychiatrists
Cloud Hobbit
2020-05-17 02:13:44 UTC
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Maybe not.

It is for sure stupid to claim amything good about faith.

Basing one's code of conduct on the basis of what an unproven God says is not the way to enlightenment.
Ivan The Terrible
2020-05-17 02:48:19 UTC
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Maybe not.
It is for sure stupid to claim amything good about faith.
Basing one's code of conduct on the basis of what an unproven God says is not the way to enlightenment.
Compulsive lying is a sign of mental illness.
Cloud Hobbit
2020-05-17 09:26:08 UTC
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Compulsive lying is a sign of mental illness.
You prove that regularly.😷
Tim
2020-05-17 09:47:21 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Maybe not.
It is for sure stupid to claim amything good about faith.
Basing one's code of conduct on the basis of what an unproven God says is not the way to enlightenment.
Compulsive lying is a sign of mental illness.
We know, that's why people think you suffer from mental illness:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/02YR6DG8VRY/3kngTWpUw2IJ

"At least I had the balls to defend my country, not being a selfish coward like you."

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/aod7Q3zB-b4/nYrs2c3fGWgJ

"I attended Law school at the University of Illinois in Champaign. You
can check their records if you don't believe me.I also practiced
criminal law as a prosecutor in the Navy for 4 years."


https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/ldfjp4f_aRs/0Y_KyW-5DQAJ

"You really think the USA will deport a man who fought for her in the Navy for 6 years? YOU ARE ONE SILLY MOTHERFUCKER"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/ldfjp4f_aRs/Fyki5R2fCwAJ

"I guess you are too stupid to know that North Vietnam didn't have much of a navy. That's why I missed combat."


http://tinyurl.com/oovvzzc

"I joined the Navy Reserve at first to avoid going to Vietnam."
michellemalkingmail.com
2020-05-17 16:38:37 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Maybe not.
It is for sure stupid to claim amything good about faith.
Basing one's code of conduct on the basis of what an unproven God says is not the way to enlightenment.
Compulsive lying is a sign of mental illness.
Then, you should stop lying, ArtieJoe.
John Locke
2020-05-17 05:28:39 UTC
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No, say most psychiatrists
...the guy who has a personal relationship with a giant, invisible
white rabbit is fucking nuts but the guy who has a personal
relationship with a giant, invisible sky daddy is "perfectly sane".
The joker who talks to an invisible god is only deemed sane because
it's socially acceptable to do so.


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Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries,
the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness
with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more
consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God.
It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and
brutalize humankind.- Thomas Paine
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Kevrob
2020-05-17 08:02:42 UTC
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Post by John Locke
On Sat, 16 May 2020 17:18:29 -0700 (PDT), Ivan The Terrible
Post by Ivan The Terrible
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No, say most psychiatrists
...the guy who has a personal relationship with a giant, invisible
white rabbit is fucking nuts but the guy who has a personal
relationship with a giant, invisible sky daddy is "perfectly sane".
The joker who talks to an invisible god is only deemed sane because
it's socially acceptable to do so.
Belief in very powerful, even omnipotent beings that one
talks to and, if not receiving responses aloud, then "in
my heart" is Son-of-Sam behavior. When one slaps the name
of a ghod on the boojum, then it gets "grandfathered in"
and therapists are willing to ply along with the fiction,
even if they don't believe in it themselves.

The whole superstructure of theology was created, or
emerged from and evolved from the Greco-Roman philosophical
tradition. It was established as a way that people who
used reason to deal with the universe rationalized the
mythologies of first the pre-Christian religion of the
ancient world, and later, Christianity. Untrue nonsense
wrapped in logic and philosophical speculation can buttress
the woo-woo quite well enough that oner does not need to be
mad to believe it.

Centuries after the Renaissance and the Enlightenment,
rational people should have no excuse to be fooled any
longer.

--
Kevin R
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Ivan The Terrible
2020-05-17 08:55:39 UTC
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Post by John Locke
On Sat, 16 May 2020 17:18:29 -0700 (PDT), Ivan The Terrible
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No, say most psychiatrists
...the guy who has a personal relationship with a giant, invisible
white rabbit is fucking nuts but the guy who has a personal
relationship with a giant, invisible sky daddy is "perfectly sane".
The joker who talks to an invisible god is only deemed sane because
it's socially acceptable to do so.
Belief in very powerful, even omnipotent beings that one
talks to and, if not receiving responses aloud, then "in
my heart" is Son-of-Sam behavior. When one slaps the name
of a ghod on the boojum, then it gets "grandfathered in"
and therapists are willing to ply along with the fiction,
even if they don't believe in it themselves.
The whole superstructure of theology was created, or
emerged from and evolved from the Greco-Roman philosophical
tradition. It was established as a way that people who
used reason to deal with the universe rationalized the
mythologies of first the pre-Christian religion of the
ancient world, and later, Christianity. Untrue nonsense
wrapped in logic and philosophical speculation can buttress
the woo-woo quite well enough that oner does not need to be
mad to believe it.
That's a lie.

The origins of Judaism according to the current historical view, in contradistinction to the religious account as described in the text of the Hebrew Bible, lie in the Bronze Age amidst polytheistic ancient Semitic religions, specifically evolving out of Ancient Canaanite polytheism, then co-existing with Babylonian ...

Origins of Judaism - Wikipedia
Post by Kevrob
Centuries after the Renaissance and the Enlightenment,
rational people should have no excuse to be fooled any
longer.
Rational, you say?

How about these guys, all theists

Galileo
Newton
FDR
Eisenhower
Truman
MacArthur
Kennedy
Buckley


You were a Catholic and you actually think your religion came from Greek mythology? It came from Judaism, jackass. Our Torah is part of your bible.
Kevrob
2020-05-17 15:59:35 UTC
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On Sat, 16 May 2020 17:18:29 -0700 (PDT), Ivan The Terrible
Post by Ivan The Terrible
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No, say most psychiatrists
...the guy who has a personal relationship with a giant, invisible
white rabbit is fucking nuts but the guy who has a personal
relationship with a giant, invisible sky daddy is "perfectly sane".
The joker who talks to an invisible god is only deemed sane because
it's socially acceptable to do so.
Belief in very powerful, even omnipotent beings that one
talks to and, if not receiving responses aloud, then "in
my heart" is Son-of-Sam behavior. When one slaps the name
of a ghod on the boojum, then it gets "grandfathered in"
and therapists are willing to ply along with the fiction,
even if they don't believe in it themselves.
The whole superstructure of theology was created, or
emerged from and evolved from the Greco-Roman philosophical
tradition. It was established as a way that people who
used reason to deal with the universe rationalized the
mythologies of first the pre-Christian religion of the
ancient world, and later, Christianity. Untrue nonsense
wrapped in logic and philosophical speculation can buttress
the woo-woo quite well enough that oner does not need to be
mad to believe it.
That's a lie.
The origins of Judaism according to the current historical view,
in contradistinction to the religious account as described in the
text of the Hebrew Bible, lie in the Bronze Age amidst polytheistic
ancient Semitic religions, specifically evolving out of Ancient
Canaanite polytheism, then co-existing with Babylonian ...
Origins of Judaism - Wikipedia
Some folks can't be bothered to post a link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_Judaism
Post by Ivan The Terrible
Post by Kevrob
Centuries after the Renaissance and the Enlightenment,
rational people should have no excuse to be fooled any
longer.
Rational, you say?
How about these guys, all theists
Galileo
Newton
FDR
Eisenhower
Truman
MacArthur
Kennedy
Buckley
You were a Catholic and you actually think your religion came from Greek mythology? It came from Judaism, jackass. Our Torah is part of your bible.
I wrote "theology," not "religion," and only an ignoramus or a
mendacious asshole would conflate the underlying mythology with
the tortuous attempts to justify myth with reality.

As for your list of (in)famous believers, the politicians and
generals may have held authentic theistic views, but had they not,
and expressed that lack of faith to the electorate or their
commanders, they wouldn't have gotten far in their careers.

When I wrote "... pre-Christian religion of the ancient world.."
I was not specifically referencing Judaism, anyway. Much later
Judaism has the likes of Spinoza and Maimonides spinning their
own theological webs. In ancient times, there were "Hellenized
Jews," and that strain of Jewish thought survives in Christianity,
if not in Judaism.

[quote]

It is not true to say with Güdemann ("Monatsschrift," xlvii. 248)
that Hellenism had no appreciable influence upon the development of
Judaism; its influence was appreciable for many centuries; but it
was driven out of the Jewish camp by the national sentiment aroused
in the Maccabean and Bar Kokba revolts, and in forming the bridge
between Judaism and Christianity it lost whatever permanent influence
it might have possessed. Since that time, even in Egypt, the classical
home of Hellenism, rabbinical Jewish communities have flourished that
have borne no perceptible trace of the movement which made Alexandria great.

[/quote]

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7535-hellenism

If one wants to dismiss the existence of the Septuagint (the
Old Testament in Greek) compiled before the Common Era, that
would just be anti-historical thinking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

Don't forget Gnosticism...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

..and the importation of Platonic thought into the Christian
and Gnostic traditions.

https://www.iep.utm.edu/neoplato/

Perhaps Philo never wrote?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo

Is Tandy next going to tell us Judaism absorbed no Persian
ideas during the Babylonian captivity?

As a philosopher, theologian or historian, Tandy is a great
accountant.

--
Kevin R
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SkyEyes
2020-05-17 11:37:17 UTC
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On Sat, 16 May 2020 17:18:29 -0700 (PDT), Ivan The Terrible
Post by Ivan The Terrible
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No, say most psychiatrists
...the guy who has a personal relationship with a giant, invisible
white rabbit is fucking nuts but the guy who has a personal
relationship with a giant, invisible sky daddy is "perfectly sane".
The joker who talks to an invisible god is only deemed sane because
it's socially acceptable to do so.
Belief in very powerful, even omnipotent beings that one
talks to and, if not receiving responses aloud, then "in
my heart" is Son-of-Sam behavior. When one slaps the name
of a ghod on the boojum, then it gets "grandfathered in"
and therapists are willing to ply along with the fiction,
even if they don't believe in it themselves.
The whole superstructure of theology was created, or
emerged from and evolved from the Greco-Roman philosophical
tradition. It was established as a way that people who
used reason to deal with the universe rationalized the
mythologies of first the pre-Christian religion of the
ancient world, and later, Christianity. Untrue nonsense
wrapped in logic and philosophical speculation can buttress
the woo-woo quite well enough that oner does not need to be
mad to believe it.
Centuries after the Renaissance and the Enlightenment,
rational people should have no excuse to be fooled any
longer.
Indeed. Religious belief is superstition, nothing more.

Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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Ivan The Terrible
2020-05-17 08:46:19 UTC
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On Sat, 16 May 2020 17:18:29 -0700 (PDT), Ivan The Terrible
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No, say most psychiatrists
...the guy who has a personal relationship with a giant, invisible
white rabbit is fucking nuts but the guy who has a personal
relationship with a giant, invisible sky daddy is "perfectly sane".
The joker who talks to an invisible god is only deemed sane because
it's socially acceptable to do so.
The word "sanity" is not medical, but legal. It describes the mind of a violent criminal in court when his punishment is to be determined. It's amazing how you twist and distort the language.

LOL! The difference is huge. The existence of God is described by the Bible and numerous other religious texts written over centuries. There is no such evidence for the rabbit. Religion is not delusion because it is faith, not fact. A delusion is the seeing of things which are not there. Honest theists
know and admit that their religious beliefs are things they hope for, not things which actually exist.
michellemalkingmail.com
2020-05-17 16:43:58 UTC
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No, say most psychiatrists
...the guy who has a personal relationship with a giant, invisible
white rabbit is fucking nuts but the guy who has a personal
relationship with a giant, invisible sky daddy is "perfectly sane".
The joker who talks to an invisible god is only deemed sane because
it's socially acceptable to do so.
The word "sanity" is not medical, but legal. It describes the mind of a violent criminal in court when his punishment is to be determined. It's amazing how you twist and distort the language.
Delusion is also the believing in things that can't be proven to exist.
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LOL! The difference is huge. The existence of God is described by the Bible and numerous other religious texts written over centuries. There is no such evidence for the rabbit. Religion is not delusion because it is faith, not fact. A delusion is the seeing of things which are not there. Honest theists
know and admit that their religious beliefs are things they hope for, not things which actually exist.
Your godthing is the imaginary rabbit. You worship Harvey!

SkyEyes
2020-05-17 11:35:16 UTC
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No, say most psychiatrists
...the guy who has a personal relationship with a giant, invisible
white rabbit is fucking nuts but the guy who has a personal
relationship with a giant, invisible sky daddy is "perfectly sane".
The joker who talks to an invisible god is only deemed sane because
it's socially acceptable to do so.
Exactly.

Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
***@cox.net
Andrew W
2020-05-17 08:33:48 UTC
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No, say most psychiatrists
Some people however do develop mental illnesses because of their strong
religious beliefs.
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http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/

The golden rule with food - if it smells strange from the fridge then throw
it in the bin. With Christianity, if it sounds strange and it's from the
Bible then you must embrace it as the word of God.

A question to all Christians: Was the Bible inspired or dictated? Because if
it was just inspired then it can't be called God's word.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site.
Yap Honghor
2020-05-17 10:58:44 UTC
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No, say most psychiatrists
Some people however do develop mental illnesses because of their strong
religious beliefs.
And those "some people" are predominately believing fools in this world!!!!
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The golden rule with food - if it smells strange from the fridge then throw
it in the bin. With Christianity, if it sounds strange and it's from the
Bible then you must embrace it as the word of God.
A question to all Christians: Was the Bible inspired or dictated? Because if
it was just inspired then it can't be called God's word.
http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site.
SkyEyes
2020-05-17 11:56:45 UTC
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No, say most psychiatrists
Some people however do develop mental illnesses because of their strong
religious beliefs.
It's been established by lab experiments that feelings of religiosity and the presence of a god can be invoked by stimulating a person's temporal lobe (https://www.lumennatura.com/2012/06/30/god-on-the-brain-temporal-lobe-stimulation/). Some epileptics have religious experiences pre- and post-seizure (https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/types-epilepsy-syndromes/temporal-lobe-epilepsy-aka-tle).

I suspect that a great majority of the religiously inclined have learned to, and become accustomed to, self-stimulate this area of their brains.

If a religious feeling can be replicated in a lab, it ain't supernatural.

Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34
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Ivan The Terrible
2020-05-17 13:48:28 UTC
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No, say most psychiatrists
Some people however do develop mental illnesses because of their strong
religious beliefs.
It's been established by lab experiments that feelings of religiosity and the presence of a god can be invoked by stimulating a person's temporal lobe (https://www.lumennatura.com/2012/06/30/god-on-the-brain-temporal-lobe-stimulation/). Some epileptics have religious experiences pre- and post-seizure (https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/types-epilepsy-syndromes/temporal-lobe-epilepsy-aka-tle).
I suspect that a great majority of the religiously inclined have learned to, and become accustomed to, self-stimulate this area of their brains.
If a religious feeling can be replicated in a lab, it ain't supernatural.
Nobody says religious feeling is supernatural.
Mitchell Holman
2020-05-17 15:10:08 UTC
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No, say most psychiatrists
Some people however do develop mental illnesses because of their strong
religious beliefs.
It's been established by lab experiments that feelings of religiosity
and
the presence of a god can be invoked by stimulating a person's
temporal lobe
(https://www.lumennatura.com/2012/06/30/god-on-the-brain-temporal-lobe
-stimulation/). Some epileptics have religious experiences pre- and
post-seizure
(https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/types-epilepsy-syndromes/temporal-lobe
-epilepsy-aka-tle).
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I suspect that a great majority of the religiously inclined have
learned
to, and become accustomed to, self-stimulate this area of their
brains.
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If a religious feeling can be replicated in a lab, it ain't
supernatural.
Nobody says religious feeling is supernatural.
supernatural:

of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or
attributed to God or a deity.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/supernatural?s=t
Yap Honghor
2020-05-17 10:56:31 UTC
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No, say most psychiatrists
I am certainly in agreement that religious faith is a very visible kind of mental illness!!!!

The neurons in the mind of a believer have been corrupted to such an extend that they cannot function properly in a sane world, much like using logic and reason to deal with a situation!
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