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Where is JW James?
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Lucifer
2021-02-14 13:03:14 UTC
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Ted
2021-02-14 17:45:49 UTC
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth.
But I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
Christopher A. Lee
2021-02-14 21:17:41 UTC
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth.
But I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
He tried to - with even more nonsense.
Ted
2021-02-15 01:41:30 UTC
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On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:17:41 -0600, Christopher A. Lee
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth.
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ted
But I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
He tried to - with even more nonsense.
What else does he have. :)
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-15 22:01:39 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth.
But I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
He tried to - with even more nonsense.
As the Bible says, to those who are perishing the Bible truths seem
like nonsense. Looks like we are fulfilling Scripture here.


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Lucifer
2021-02-16 12:25:09 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:17:41 -0600, Christopher A. Lee
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth.
But I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
He tried to - with even more nonsense.
As the Bible says, to those who are perishing the Bible truths seem
like nonsense. Looks like we are fulfilling Scripture here.
Bible say God creates nonsense.
Post by Ted
James
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-16 16:08:58 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:25:09 +1100, Lucifer
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Post by Ted
On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:17:41 -0600, Christopher A. Lee
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth.
But I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
He tried to - with even more nonsense.
As the Bible says, to those who are perishing the Bible truths seem
like nonsense. Looks like we are fulfilling Scripture here.
Bible say God creates nonsense.
I fully disagree. Please show me the Bible verse that says that.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
James
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-24 07:38:40 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:25:09 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 15:17:41 -0600, Christopher A. Lee
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth.
But I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
He tried to - with even more nonsense.
As the Bible says, to those who are perishing the Bible truths seem
like nonsense. Looks like we are fulfilling Scripture here.
Bible say God creates nonsense.
And what Scripture says that, if you please?

James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
James
Michael Christ
2021-02-14 21:44:36 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth. But
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your objections.
He doesn't answer my questions either. He rather slithers to the right
or left in order to try and get around them.

The last episode was, how is a JW filthy stinking sinner any better than
a non-JW filthy stinking sinner??

What makes them sinning better than anyone else's sinning??

Of course if you extrapolate that out, what is the point, then, of being
a JWubblu?? :-).

Exactly.





Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
Ted
2021-02-15 01:49:16 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth. But
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
Post by Michael Christ
He doesn't answer my questions either. He rather slithers to the right
or left in order to try and get around them.
The last episode was, how is a JW filthy stinking sinner any better than
a non-JW filthy stinking sinner??
What makes them sinning better than anyone else's sinning??
Of course if you extrapolate that out, wha
is the point, then, of being
a JWubblu?? :-).
Exactly.
Michael Christ
I think I see where you're coming from and I confess I never thought
of it. The JW model is very different from ours. Ever ask James if
he's born again? Or if he's ever taken communion?
Michael Christ
2021-02-15 02:54:37 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:44:36 +1100, Michael Christ
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer >
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Post by Ted
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth. But
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
He doesn't answer my questions either.  He rather slithers to the
right
or left in order to try and get around them.
The last episode was, how is a JW filthy stinking sinner any better
than
a non-JW filthy stinking sinner??
What makes them sinning better than anyone else's sinning??
 Of course if you extrapolate that out, wha
is the point, then, of being a JWubblu??  :-).
Exactly.
Michael Christ
I think I see where you're coming from and I confess I never thought of
it. The JW model is very different from ours. Ever ask James if he's
born again? Or if he's ever taken communion?
No, waste of time those sorts of questions. He just use that to pump me
with JW doctrine.

I'd rather not be pumped by a JW. :-).




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
Ted
2021-02-16 17:33:31 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:44:36 +1100, Michael Christ
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer >
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Post by Ted
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth. But
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
He doesn't answer my questions either.  He rather slithers to the
right
or left in order to try and get around them.
The last episode was, how is a JW filthy stinking sinner any better
than
a non-JW filthy stinking sinner??
What makes them sinning better than anyone else's sinning??
 Of course if you extrapolate that out, wha
is the point, then, of being a JWubblu??  :-).
Exactly.
Michael Christ
I think I see where you're coming from and I confess I never
thought of
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
it. The JW model is very different from ours. Ever ask James if he's
born again? Or if he's ever taken communion?
No, waste of time those sorts of questions.
He just use that to pump me
with JW doctrine.
I'd rather not be pumped by a JW. :-).
Michael Christ
They have a fresh perspective.
Michael Christ
2021-02-16 22:54:07 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:54:37 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:44:36 +1100, Michael Christ >
Post by Michael Christ
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer > >>
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Post by Ted
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist
on
Post by Ted
truth. But
Post by Michael Christ
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs > really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your >
objections.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Lucifer
He doesn't answer my questions either.  He rather slithers to
the
Post by Ted
right
Post by Michael Christ
or left in order to try and get around them.
Post by Lucifer
The last episode was, how is a JW filthy stinking sinner any
better
Post by Ted
than
Post by Michael Christ
a non-JW filthy stinking sinner??
Post by Lucifer
What makes them sinning better than anyone else's sinning??
Post by Ted
 Of course if you extrapolate that out, wha
is the point, then, of being a JWubblu??  :-).
Post by Lucifer
Exactly.
Michael Christ
I think I see where you're coming from and I confess I never
thought of
Post by Ted
it. The JW model is very different from ours. Ever ask James if
he's
Post by Ted
born again? Or if he's ever taken communion?
No, waste of time those sorts of questions. He just use that to pump
me with JW doctrine.
I'd rather not be pumped by a JW.  :-).
Michael Christ
They have a fresh perspective.
Not in my book. They are just like all the rest, stale sinners walking
around pretending to be righteous.





Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-15 22:20:54 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:44:36 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth. But
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
Post by Michael Christ
He doesn't answer my questions either. He rather slithers to the
right
Post by Michael Christ
or left in order to try and get around them.
The last episode was, how is a JW filthy stinking sinner any better
than
Post by Michael Christ
a non-JW filthy stinking sinner??
What makes them sinning better than anyone else's sinning??
Of course if you extrapolate that out, wha
is the point, then, of being
a JWubblu?? :-).
Exactly.
Michael Christ
I think I see where you're coming from and I confess I never thought
of it. The JW model is very different from ours. Ever ask James if
he's born again?
Only those going to Heaven are "born again". There are 144,000 of
them. (Rev 14:1; 7:4) Flesh and blood cannot get into Heaven, only
spirit beings. (1 Cor 15:50) So they are changed into spirit beings.
(like all in Heaven are. Even God. (John 4:23,24)
Post by Ted
Or if he's ever taken communion?
Yes hundreds of times. I was raised a catholic.
As a JW, no. Only those with the Heavenly hope get to partake of the
wine and unleavened bread. I hope to be one of these: Mt 5:5,

"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." (KJV)


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Michael Christ
2021-02-16 00:40:58 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:44:36 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth. But
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
Post by Michael Christ
He doesn't answer my questions either. He rather slithers to the
right
Post by Michael Christ
or left in order to try and get around them.
The last episode was, how is a JW filthy stinking sinner any better
than
Post by Michael Christ
a non-JW filthy stinking sinner??
What makes them sinning better than anyone else's sinning??
Of course if you extrapolate that out, wha
is the point, then, of being
a JWubblu?? :-).
Exactly.
Michael Christ
I think I see where you're coming from and I confess I never thought
of it. The JW model is very different from ours. Ever ask James if
he's born again?
Only those going to Heaven are "born again". There are 144,000 of
them. (Rev 14:1; 7:4) Flesh and blood cannot get into Heaven, only
spirit beings. (1 Cor 15:50) So they are changed into spirit beings.
(like all in Heaven are. Even God. (John 4:23,24)
Post by Ted
Or if he's ever taken communion?
Yes hundreds of times. I was raised a catholic.
As a JW, no. Only those with the Heavenly hope get to partake of the
wine and unleavened bread. I hope to be one of these: Mt 5:5,
"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." (KJV)
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Ted, don't let a stinking filthy JW sinner give you advice about truth.
We are all spiritual beings with an outer physical shell and you don't
get to go anywhere but out from God if you are not born again.

You must be born again (live in communion with God), and now is the
time, not later.




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
Lucifer
2021-02-16 12:27:22 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:44:36 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth. But
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
Post by Michael Christ
He doesn't answer my questions either. He rather slithers to the
right
Post by Michael Christ
or left in order to try and get around them.
The last episode was, how is a JW filthy stinking sinner any better
than
Post by Michael Christ
a non-JW filthy stinking sinner??
What makes them sinning better than anyone else's sinning??
Of course if you extrapolate that out, wha
is the point, then, of being
a JWubblu?? :-).
Exactly.
Michael Christ
I think I see where you're coming from and I confess I never thought
of it. The JW model is very different from ours. Ever ask James if
he's born again?
Only those going to Heaven are "born again". There are 144,000 of
them. (Rev 14:1; 7:4) Flesh and blood cannot get into Heaven, only
spirit beings. (1 Cor 15:50) So they are changed into spirit beings.
(like all in Heaven are. Even God. (John 4:23,24)
Post by Ted
Or if he's ever taken communion?
Yes hundreds of times. I was raised a catholic.
As a JW, no. Only those with the Heavenly hope get to partake of the
wine and unleavened bread. I hope to be one of these: Mt 5:5,
"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." (KJV)
"Blessed are the Greek: for they shall inhibit their girth."
(Monty Python)
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James
Ted
2021-02-16 17:35:17 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:44:36 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth. But
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
Post by Michael Christ
He doesn't answer my questions either. He rather slithers to the
right
Post by Michael Christ
or left in order to try and get around them.
The last episode was, how is a JW filthy stinking sinner any better
than
Post by Michael Christ
a non-JW filthy stinking sinner??
What makes them sinning better than anyone else's sinning??
Of course if you extrapolate that out, wha
is the point, then, of being
a JWubblu?? :-).
Exactly.
Michael Christ
I think I see where you're coming from and I confess I never
thought
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
of it. The JW model is very different from ours. Ever ask James if
he's born again?
Only those going to Heaven are "born
again". There are 144,000 of
them. (Rev 14:1; 7:4) Flesh and blood
cannot get into Heaven, only
spirit beings. (1 Cor 15:50) So they are
changed into spirit beings.
(like all in Heaven are. Even God. (John 4:23,24)
Post by Ted
Or if he's ever taken communion?
Yes hundreds of times. I was raised a
catholic.
As a JW, no. Only those with the Heavenly
hope get to partake of the
wine and unleavened bread. I hope to be
one of these: Mt 5:5,
"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit
the earth." (KJV)
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Thanks James. Yes, I know, which is why I brought it up.
Peter Pan
2021-02-15 03:42:23 UTC
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth. But
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your objections.
He doesn't answer my questions either. He rather slithers to the right
or left in order to try and get around them.
What a surprise. When was the last time you gave anyone
a straight answer to a straight question?

Can God create itself?
Michael Christ
2021-02-15 21:33:22 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth. But
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your objections.
He doesn't answer my questions either. He rather slithers to the right
or left in order to try and get around them.
What a surprise. When was the last time you gave anyone
a straight answer to a straight question?
I always give a straight answer but the bent atheist will only accept
what is bent to his own delusion.
Post by Peter Pan
Can God create itself?
Speaking of bent!

God is a He, you disrespectful self-worshiping shithead, not an it.

God is eternal so the question is an atheist moron fallacy, asking can
God be and not be. Only in an atheist universe can there be and not be,
like nothing can create itself from before it is...but it can! :-).

Can God create a rock that he can't lift? Yes or no? Neither. What
is is and what ain't ain't.

Did you create itself?





Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
Peter Pan
2021-02-16 01:56:37 UTC
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Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth. But
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your objections.
He doesn't answer my questions either. He rather slithers to the right
or left in order to try and get around them.
What a surprise. When was the last time you gave anyone
a straight answer to a straight question?
I always give a straight answer
You always bypass an opportunity for a straight rational
answer and go directly to the name-calling.

This is partly because you can't hold your own in a
rational discussion.
Post by Michael Christ
but the bent atheist will only accept
what is bent to his own delusion.
What did I tell you?
Am i psychic, or what?
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Can God create itself?
Speaking of bent!
God is a He, you disrespectful self-worshiping shithead, not an it.
How can you know that? Did it tell you?
Post by Michael Christ
God is eternal so the question is an atheist moron fallacy, asking can
God be and not be. Only in an atheist universe can there be and not be,
like nothing can create itself from before it is...but it can! :-).
I never know what you mean by "eternal". I suspect you,
like aaa, have your own meanings for words. Don't worry,
tho, i'm not going to ask.

Spacetime exists only in the universe. Outside that,
there is no time, and no "before" and "after".

You are constraining your God to fit within your limited
set of experience -- linearly flowing time, complete
causality with cause before effect, everything tidy in
proper place & time, your ego in charge, and everything
revolving around Stevie. Yet your assumptions are not
even true in that limited world, let alone apply outside
of spacetime.

So along you blithely go, inventing a god that is swept
along thru time just as you are, a god causing this and
that, being "eternal" by inhabiting all time in a
sequential fashion, just the same as you do. Yeah, you
say God is outside time, but you won't even consider the
implications.

If there were an omnipotent god, of course it could
create itself. Even the universe is non-causal, for
fucksake, why would an imaginary god have to be causal?
And why does an atheist have to answer the question asked
of you, for you?

Non-causal universe, or you don't exist.
Non-causal god, or gods don't exist.
Post by Michael Christ
Can God create a rock that he can't lift? Yes or no? Neither. What
is is and what ain't ain't.
Did you create itself?
This is all, to use an MXism, MX wanking to itself. Or
as that other crackpot Usenet christ, Raymond Christ,
would say, you're a spiritual pipsqueak playing in your
spiritual sandbox.
Michael Christ
2021-02-16 07:22:43 UTC
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Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth. But
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your objections.
He doesn't answer my questions either. He rather slithers to the right
or left in order to try and get around them.
What a surprise. When was the last time you gave anyone
a straight answer to a straight question?
I always give a straight answer
You always bypass an opportunity for a straight rational
answer and go directly to the name-calling.
This is partly because you can't hold your own in a
rational discussion.
Post by Michael Christ
but the bent atheist will only accept
what is bent to his own delusion.
What did I tell you?
Am i psychic, or what?
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Can God create itself?
Speaking of bent!
God is a He, you disrespectful self-worshiping shithead, not an it.
How can you know that? Did it tell you?
Have it your way, it.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
God is eternal so the question is an atheist moron fallacy, asking can
God be and not be. Only in an atheist universe can there be and not be,
like nothing can create itself from before it is...but it can! :-).
I never know what you mean by "eternal". I suspect you,
like aaa, have your own meanings for words. Don't worry,
tho, i'm not going to ask.
Look in the dick-tionary.
Post by Peter Pan
Spacetime exists only in the universe. Outside that,
there is no time, and no "before" and "after"
Xfiles theme song. :-).

Stick to what is obvious, Spaceman. There was a beginning, ask your
scientists.

Not eternal.

Nothing can create itself.
Post by Peter Pan
You are constraining your God to fit within your limited
set of experience -- linearly flowing time, complete
causality with cause before effect, everything tidy in
proper place & time, your ego in charge, and everything
revolving around Stevie. Yet your assumptions are not
even true in that limited world, let alone apply outside
of spacetime.
You are not he one to constrain me with your speculations, Mr Awesome.
Post by Peter Pan
So along you blithely go, inventing a god that is swept
along thru time just as you are, a god causing this and
that, being "eternal" by inhabiting all time in a
sequential fashion, just the same as you do. Yeah, you
say God is outside time, but you won't even consider the
implications.
In the nicest possible way, who gives a fuck about what you think?

My and my implications are fine thanks, and I consider your implications
are not regarded as valid.

Is that okay with you? :-).
Post by Peter Pan
If there were an omnipotent god, of course it could
create itself.
False dichotomy.

God is eternal or nothing would be here.
Post by Peter Pan
Even the universe is non-causal,
Oh yeah!!! Hahahahahahaha, an un-caused cause.

Dickhead.

for
Post by Peter Pan
fucksake, why would an imaginary god have to be causal?
God is not imaginary to moi...and your presumption is invalid because
you have no proof.

Or is that too hard to comprehend for Panny boy??
Post by Peter Pan
And why does an atheist have to answer the question asked
of you, for you?
Another presumption!

I am not entreating your opinion. I don't need it.
Post by Peter Pan
Non-causal universe, or you don't exist.
Non-causal god, or gods don't exist.
Nothing can create itself, nothing can be before it is in order to bring
itself into being.

Sorry.

Baby stuff, baby.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Can God create a rock that he can't lift? Yes or no? Neither. What
is is and what ain't ain't.
Did you create itself?
This is all, to use an MXism, MX wanking to itself. Or
as that other crackpot Usenet christ, Raymond Christ,
would say, you're a spiritual pipsqueak playing in your
spiritual sandbox.
My opinion is your opinion is shit.

You can have faith to believe what you want, I have faith to believe
what I want.

Suck it up, Mr Magnificent, and get on with it. Is there a problem for
you?? :-),




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
Peter Pan
2021-02-16 23:20:36 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth. But
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your objections.
He doesn't answer my questions either. He rather slithers to the right
or left in order to try and get around them.
What a surprise. When was the last time you gave anyone
a straight answer to a straight question?
I always give a straight answer
Sure, Earl.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
You always bypass an opportunity for a straight rational
answer and go directly to the name-calling.
This is partly because you can't hold your own in a
rational discussion.
Post by Michael Christ
but the bent atheist will only accept
what is bent to his own delusion.
What did I tell you?
Am i psychic, or what?
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Can God create itself?
Speaking of bent!
God is a He, you disrespectful self-worshiping shithead, not an it.
How can you know that? Did it tell you?
Have it your way, it.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
God is eternal so the question is an atheist moron fallacy, asking can
God be and not be. Only in an atheist universe can there be and not be,
like nothing can create itself from before it is...but it can! :-).
I never know what you mean by "eternal". I suspect you,
like aaa, have your own meanings for words. Don't worry,
tho, i'm not going to ask.
Look in the dick-tionary.
You never miss an opportunity to discover a homoerotic
reference.

Dictionaries have multiple definitions for the same word.
Whether one of them is what you mean or not, who knows.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Spacetime exists only in the universe. Outside that,
there is no time, and no "before" and "after"
Xfiles theme song. :-).
Stick to what is obvious, Spaceman. There was a beginning, ask your
scientists.
Who said the universe had no beginning?

Which, incidentally, doesn't mean it can't be eternal.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
You are constraining your God to fit within your limited
set of experience -- linearly flowing time, complete
causality with cause before effect, everything tidy in
proper place & time, your ego in charge, and everything
revolving around Stevie. Yet your assumptions are not
even true in that limited world, let alone apply outside
of spacetime.
You are not he one to constrain me with your speculations, Mr Awesome.
You are not the one to constrain God [TING], Captain
Projection.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
So along you blithely go, inventing a god that is swept
along thru time just as you are, a god causing this and
that, being "eternal" by inhabiting all time in a
sequential fashion, just the same as you do. Yeah, you
say God is outside time, but you won't even consider the
implications.
In the nicest possible way, who gives a fuck about what you think?
My and my implications are fine thanks, and I consider your implications
are not regarded as valid.
You have a right to be wrong.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
If there were an omnipotent god, of course it could
create itself.
False dichotomy.
Nope. No dichotomy there at all.
Post by Michael Christ
God is eternal or nothing would be here.
Your eternal mantra.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Even the universe is non-causal,
Oh yeah!!! Hahahahahahaha, an un-caused cause.
Without casting pearls before swine, the universe is
substantially non-causal. That's just physics.
Your resolute ignorance has no bearing on that.
Post by Michael Christ
for
Post by Peter Pan
fucksake, why would an imaginary god have to be causal?
God is not imaginary to moi...and your presumption is invalid because
you have no proof.
Says Captain Projection, who has no proof that his
particular god exists.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
And why does an atheist have to answer the question asked
of you, for you?
Another presumption!
I am not entreating your opinion. I don't need it.
You have a right to be wrong.
You'll discover the truth some day.
You'll wake up dead and see no God is coming to get you.
You have been
--->deceived.
By
--->yourself !
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Non-causal universe, or you don't exist.
Non-causal god, or gods don't exist.
Nothing can create itself, nothing can be before it is in order to bring
itself into being.
Repeat that a thousand more times, say a million Hail
Marys, and maybe it will come true in a >*poof!*<.
Post by Michael Christ
Sorry.
Baby stuff, baby.
That's just MX wallowing in his spiritual sandbox.

It's ironic that you need atheists to point that out.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
This is all, to use an MXism, MX wanking to itself. Or
as that other crackpot Usenet christ, Raymond Christ,
would say, you're a spiritual pipsqueak playing in your
spiritual sandbox.
My opinion is your opinion is shit.
You can have faith to believe what you want, I have faith to believe
what I want.
You run on faith. I don't.
Michael Christ
2021-02-16 23:50:17 UTC
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Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth. But
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your objections.
He doesn't answer my questions either. He rather slithers to the right
or left in order to try and get around them.
What a surprise. When was the last time you gave anyone
a straight answer to a straight question?
I always give a straight answer
Sure, Earl.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
You always bypass an opportunity for a straight rational
answer and go directly to the name-calling.
This is partly because you can't hold your own in a
rational discussion.
Post by Michael Christ
but the bent atheist will only accept
what is bent to his own delusion.
What did I tell you?
Am i psychic, or what?
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Can God create itself?
Speaking of bent!
God is a He, you disrespectful self-worshiping shithead, not an it.
How can you know that? Did it tell you?
Have it your way, it.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
God is eternal so the question is an atheist moron fallacy, asking can
God be and not be. Only in an atheist universe can there be and not be,
like nothing can create itself from before it is...but it can! :-).
I never know what you mean by "eternal". I suspect you,
like aaa, have your own meanings for words. Don't worry,
tho, i'm not going to ask.
Look in the dick-tionary.
You never miss an opportunity to discover a homoerotic
reference.
And you never fail to notice! :-).
Post by Peter Pan
Dictionaries have multiple definitions for the same word.
Whether one of them is what you mean or not, who knows.
Oh well.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Spacetime exists only in the universe. Outside that,
there is no time, and no "before" and "after"
Xfiles theme song. :-).
Stick to what is obvious, Spaceman. There was a beginning, ask your
scientists.
Who said the universe had no beginning?
Maybe Earl did?
Post by Peter Pan
Which, incidentally, doesn't mean it can't be eternal.
Time to call you a dickhead, yet again. Maybe that is eternal?
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
You are constraining your God to fit within your limited
set of experience -- linearly flowing time, complete
causality with cause before effect, everything tidy in
proper place & time, your ego in charge, and everything
revolving around Stevie. Yet your assumptions are not
even true in that limited world, let alone apply outside
of spacetime.
You are not he one to constrain me with your speculations, Mr Awesome.
You are not the one to constrain God [TING], Captain
Projection.
I am not God, Mr Private Amazing Speculation.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
So along you blithely go, inventing a god that is swept
along thru time just as you are, a god causing this and
that, being "eternal" by inhabiting all time in a
sequential fashion, just the same as you do. Yeah, you
say God is outside time, but you won't even consider the
implications.
In the nicest possible way, who gives a fuck about what you think?
My and my implications are fine thanks, and I consider your implications
are not regarded as valid.
You have a right to be wrong.
I don't need your say so.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
If there were an omnipotent god, of course it could
create itself.
Stupid ignorant statement!
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
False dichotomy.
Nope. No dichotomy there at all.
An eternal God cannot be non-eternal and eternal at the same time and in
the same relationship.

Your claim is a false stupid dichotomy.

The trouble with you 'its' is that you think you are intelligent.

But I am sorry, you are an idiot, as demonstrated.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
God is eternal or nothing would be here.
Your eternal mantra.
Yeah. What do you know, you fluked one!
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Even the universe is non-causal,
Oh yeah!!! Hahahahahahaha, an un-caused cause.
Without casting pearls before swine, the universe is
substantially non-causal. That's just physics.
Your resolute ignorance has no bearing on that.,
Ooooooohhhhhhhh, 'substantially', to some extent or degree. You wanker!
:-).

So no big bang after all. A non-caused cause.

Stephen Hawking go to hell, just ask Peter Pan, he is the head pig at
the trough! :-).
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
for
Post by Peter Pan
fucksake, why would an imaginary god have to be causal?
God is not imaginary to moi...and your presumption is invalid because
you have no proof.
Says Captain Projection, who has no proof that his
particular god exists.
I have all the personal proof I need and much much more. Not up to you
to say, Captain Amazing, and I don't care about your approval. Thanks.

And, dumbburger, it swings both ways, Captain Amazing!!!
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
And why does an atheist have to answer the question asked
of you, for you?
Another presumption!
I am not entreating your opinion. I don't need it.
You have a right to be wrong.
You'll discover the truth some day.
You'll wake up dead and see no God is coming to get you.
You have been
--->deceived.
By
--->yourself !
I don't agree with your faith, I am content with my own.

Why can't you get on with your un-caused life?? :-).
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Non-causal universe, or you don't exist.
Non-causal god, or gods don't exist.
Nothing can create itself, nothing can be before it is in order to bring
itself into being.
Repeat that a thousand more times, say a million Hail
Marys, and maybe it will come true in a >*poof!*<.
I am not a Catholic.

'Nothing can create itself, nothing can be before it is in order to
bring itself into being.' It is not going to change for a wanker or for
anyone else, Bubba.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Sorry.
Baby stuff, baby.
That's just MX wallowing in his spiritual sandbox.
It's ironic that you need atheists to point that out.
I am desperate for their from nothing, to nothing and all for nothing
advice, that is fer shure! :-).
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
This is all, to use an MXism, MX wanking to itself. Or
as that other crackpot Usenet christ, Raymond Christ,
would say, you're a spiritual pipsqueak playing in your
spiritual sandbox.
My opinion is your opinion is shit.
You can have faith to believe what you want, I have faith to believe
what I want.
You run on faith. I don't.
Well you can have faith in that, Bubba.

You can't win, stupid, you just aren't great enough, not even to create
a slug's poop. And there you are the un-caused mighty moron atop your
pile of shit, spitting diarrhea out into the world that it may see just
how Captain Amazing you are.




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
Peter Pan
2021-02-17 00:12:07 UTC
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I sense your frustration at not being able to fend off
the dawning realization that you've been wrong for 32
years. But you know, Michael, it's never too late to
repent and start over.
Michael Christ
2021-02-17 00:18:15 UTC
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Post by Peter Pan
I sense your frustration at not being able to fend off
the dawning realization that you've been wrong for 32
years. But you know, Michael, it's never too late to
repent and start over.
In the immortal, eternal, un-caused words (albeit paraphrased) of
Timly...Pan-tard. I think that sums it up very well.




Michael Christ

PS 33 years I wouldn't change for the whole world, Bubba.
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
Michael Christ
2021-02-17 00:18:51 UTC
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And of course, ye coward.




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-15 22:07:42 UTC
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:44:36 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth. But
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your objections.
He doesn't answer my questions either.
Now you know that's not true. I try to answer all your questions. Even
when they are absurd.
Post by Michael Christ
He rather slithers to the right
or left in order to try and get around them.
Then I am answering them according to you. Just what you do not want
to hear.
Post by Michael Christ
The last episode was, how is a JW filthy stinking sinner any better than
a non-JW filthy stinking sinner??
Sin is sin, no matter who does it.
Post by Michael Christ
What makes them sinning better than anyone else's sinning??
I don't know where you dreamed that up, but sin is sin.
Post by Michael Christ
Of course if you extrapolate that out, what is the point, then, of being
a JWubblu?? :-).
Exactly.
?? Please rephrase so that it is understandable.


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
2021-02-16 00:30:47 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:44:36 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth. But
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your objections.
He doesn't answer my questions either.
Now you know that's not true. I try to answer all your questions. Even
when they are absurd.
Post by Michael Christ
He rather slithers to the right
or left in order to try and get around them.
Then I am answering them according to you. Just what you do not want
to hear.
Post by Michael Christ
The last episode was, how is a JW filthy stinking sinner any better than
a non-JW filthy stinking sinner??
Sin is sin, no matter who does it.
Post by Michael Christ
What makes them sinning better than anyone else's sinning??
I don't know where you dreamed that up, but sin is sin.
Post by Michael Christ
Of course if you extrapolate that out, what is the point, then, of being
a JWubblu?? :-).
Exactly.
?? Please rephrase so that it is understandable.
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
You're a filthy stinking dirty self-righteous sinner who keeps on
sinning, James, so your religion is in vain.

It is that simple.

With your religion, with God all things are NOT possible because you
continue to disobey and defy and rebel against God's will. And your
excuse is, well everyone else is doing it!

The pathetic religions of accommodating sin-indulgent fallen man has no
place in God. Give yourself your opinion and advice. Thanks.





Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
Peter Pan
2021-02-16 02:08:11 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
You're a filthy stinking dirty self-righteous sinner who keeps on
sinning, James, so your religion is in vain.
No shit?

I thought you said Robert was the filthy stinking dirty
self-righteous sinner who keeps on sinning.

Are they all like that? What would they do without you
to show the way.
Michael Christ
2021-02-16 07:43:04 UTC
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Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
You're a filthy stinking dirty self-righteous sinner who keeps on
sinning, James, so your religion is in vain.
No shit?
I thought you said Robert was the filthy stinking dirty
self-righteous sinner who keeps on sinning.
Yeah, and you too, all tarred with the same brush.
Post by Peter Pan
Are they all like that? What would they do without you
to show the way.
God is always there to show us all the way, Bubba.

But you, you have fucked up you to show the way to yourself. :-).

Magnificent.




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
Peter Pan
2021-02-16 23:14:03 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
You're a filthy stinking dirty self-righteous sinner who keeps on
sinning, James, so your religion is in vain.
No shit?
I thought you said Robert was the filthy stinking dirty
self-righteous sinner who keeps on sinning.
Yeah, and you too, all tarred with the same brush.
Oooh, if only we could be as pure & holy as MX.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Are they all like that? What would they do without you
to show the way.
God is always there to show us all the way, Bubba.
You aren't "God".

Nice try.
Michael Christ
2021-02-16 23:25:45 UTC
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Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
You're a filthy stinking dirty self-righteous sinner who keeps on
sinning, James, so your religion is in vain.
No shit?
I thought you said Robert was the filthy stinking dirty
self-righteous sinner who keeps on sinning.
Yeah, and you too, all tarred with the same brush.
Oooh, if only we could be as pure & holy as MX.
Mocking me is not going to change the fact that you are a filthy dirty
stinking sinner, Bubba.

I went to the Lord about my problem.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Are they all like that? What would they do without you
to show the way.
God is always there to show us all the way, Bubba.
You aren't "God".
Nice try.
God is always there to show us all the way, Bubba.

You seem to be fine giving yourself the exalted position. Good luck
with that.





Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
Peter Pan
2021-02-16 23:57:10 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
You're a filthy stinking dirty self-righteous sinner who keeps on
sinning, James, so your religion is in vain.
No shit?
I thought you said Robert was the filthy stinking dirty
self-righteous sinner who keeps on sinning.
Yeah, and you too, all tarred with the same brush.
Oooh, if only we could be as pure & holy as MX.
Mocking me is not going to change the fact that you are a filthy dirty
stinking sinner, Bubba.
I went to the Lord about my problem.
I see.

The results are not very encouraging.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Are they all like that? What would they do without you
to show the way.
God is always there to show us all the way, Bubba.
You aren't "God".
Nice try.
God is always there to show us all the way, Bubba.
You seem to be fine giving yourself the exalted position. Good luck
with that.
You call yourself Christ, and then you say i gave myself
an exalted position?

Captain Projection strikes again.
Michael Christ
2021-02-17 00:12:08 UTC
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Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
You're a filthy stinking dirty self-righteous sinner who keeps on
sinning, James, so your religion is in vain.
No shit?
I thought you said Robert was the filthy stinking dirty
self-righteous sinner who keeps on sinning.
Yeah, and you too, all tarred with the same brush.
Oooh, if only we could be as pure & holy as MX.
Mocking me is not going to change the fact that you are a filthy dirty
stinking sinner, Bubba.
I went to the Lord about my problem.
I see.
The results are not very encouraging.
I am sorry thee is displeased, Captain Amazing.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Are they all like that? What would they do without you
to show the way.
God is always there to show us all the way, Bubba.
You aren't "God".
Nice try.
God is always there to show us all the way, Bubba.
You seem to be fine giving yourself the exalted position. Good luck
with that.
You call yourself Christ, and then you say i gave myself
an exalted position?
Why wouldn't I be? I am in Christ Jesus and I belong to Him.

We're married.
Post by Peter Pan
Captain Projection strikes again.
Oh I see, you see it from your ego, all about me, point of view. Of
course, Captain Amazing.

Well, I suppose that is not surprising from an un-caused it who makes
himself God.




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
Peter Pan
2021-02-17 00:48:25 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
You're a filthy stinking dirty self-righteous sinner who keeps on
sinning, James, so your religion is in vain.
No shit?
I thought you said Robert was the filthy stinking dirty
self-righteous sinner who keeps on sinning.
Yeah, and you too, all tarred with the same brush.
Oooh, if only we could be as pure & holy as MX.
Mocking me is not going to change the fact that you are a filthy dirty
stinking sinner, Bubba.
I went to the Lord about my problem.
I see.
The results are not very encouraging.
I am sorry thee is displeased, Captain Amazing.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Are they all like that? What would they do without you
to show the way.
God is always there to show us all the way, Bubba.
You aren't "God".
Nice try.
God is always there to show us all the way, Bubba.
You seem to be fine giving yourself the exalted position. Good luck
with that.
You call yourself Christ, and then you say i gave myself
an exalted position?
Why wouldn't I be? I am in Christ Jesus and I belong to Him.
We're married.
Uh, yeah... I didn't ask about that, don't want to know,
Mrs. Christ.
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Captain Projection strikes again.
Oh I see, you see it from your ego, all about me, point of view. Of
course, Captain Amazing.
No, my ego is not all about you.
Michael Christ
2021-02-17 08:22:12 UTC
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Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
You're a filthy stinking dirty self-righteous sinner who keeps on
sinning, James, so your religion is in vain.
No shit?
I thought you said Robert was the filthy stinking dirty
self-righteous sinner who keeps on sinning.
Yeah, and you too, all tarred with the same brush.
Oooh, if only we could be as pure & holy as MX.
Mocking me is not going to change the fact that you are a filthy dirty
stinking sinner, Bubba.
I went to the Lord about my problem.
I see.
The results are not very encouraging.
I am sorry thee is displeased, Captain Amazing.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Are they all like that? What would they do without you
to show the way.
God is always there to show us all the way, Bubba.
You aren't "God".
Nice try.
God is always there to show us all the way, Bubba.
You seem to be fine giving yourself the exalted position. Good luck
with that.
You call yourself Christ, and then you say i gave myself
an exalted position?
Why wouldn't I be? I am in Christ Jesus and I belong to Him.
We're married.
Uh, yeah... I didn't ask about that, don't want to know,
Mrs. Christ.
Well at least I am not a floating whore like you. You gotta like that.
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Peter Pan
Captain Projection strikes again.
Oh I see, you see it from your ego, all about me, point of view. Of
course, Captain Amazing.
No, my ego is not all about you.
Of course not, you are all about Peter 'fucked up' Pan and nothing and
no one else.




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-16 16:24:35 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:44:36 +1100, Michael Christ
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth. But
I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs really
believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your objections.
He doesn't answer my questions either.
Now you know that's not true. I try to answer all your questions. Even
when they are absurd.
Post by Michael Christ
He rather slithers to the right
or left in order to try and get around them.
Then I am answering them according to you. Just what you do not want
to hear.
Post by Michael Christ
The last episode was, how is a JW filthy stinking sinner any better than
a non-JW filthy stinking sinner??
Sin is sin, no matter who does it.
Post by Michael Christ
What makes them sinning better than anyone else's sinning??
I don't know where you dreamed that up, but sin is sin.
Post by Michael Christ
Of course if you extrapolate that out, what is the point, then, of being
a JWubblu?? :-).
Exactly.
?? Please rephrase so that it is understandable.
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
You're a filthy stinking dirty self-righteous sinner who keeps on
sinning, James
True.
Post by Michael Christ
, so your religion is in vain.
My religion goes right be the exact Bible, even when it is not
popular, like during wars because Jesus said to "love your enemies".
Churches usually follow politicians instead of Jesus.
Post by Michael Christ
It is that simple.
With your religion, with God all things are NOT possible because you
continue to disobey and defy and rebel against God's will.
As far as the farthest galaxy is from the earth, is the truthfulness
of your words.
Post by Michael Christ
And your
excuse is, well everyone else is doing it!
Yes, most churches are doing it (continue to disobey and defy and
rebel against God's will) But not JW's. Does that make them good?
Jesus said NO ONE is good, except God.
Post by Michael Christ
The pathetic religions of accommodating sin-indulgent fallen man has no
place in God. Give yourself your opinion and advice. Thanks.
We are all sinners. If someone says "not me", he is a liar.



James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Post by Michael Christ
Michael Christ
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-15 21:58:22 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth.
You've got that backwards. They'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you
insist on lying.

I always answer his questions. (even when they are ridiculous) Just
reread my postings.


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Post by Ted
But I'm surprised to hear James avoided any questions. Most JWs
really believe their nonsense and so will confidently answer your
objections.
Lucifer
2021-02-16 11:08:51 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth.
You've got that backwards. They'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you
insist on lying.
You have that backwards. You will get kicked out if you tell the
truth.
Post by z***@windstream.net
I always answer his questions. (even when they are ridiculous) Just
reread my postings.
Rational questions seem ridiculous to the insane.
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-16 16:06:33 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:08:51 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth.
You've got that backwards. They'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you
insist on lying.
You have that backwards. You will get kicked out if you tell the
truth.
I am proof that is not correct. I always tell the truth, but I have
not been "kicked out".
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
I always answer his questions. (even when they are ridiculous) Just
reread my postings.
Rational questions seem ridiculous to the insane.
I guess that can be true at times. It all depends on what his insanity
is.


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-24 07:37:12 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:08:51 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth.
You've got that backwards. They'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you
insist on lying.
You have that backwards. You will get kicked out if you tell the
truth.
That's not even reasonable
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
I always answer his questions. (even when they are ridiculous) Just
reread my postings.
Rational questions seem ridiculous to the insane.
Tell me something I don't already know.

James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
Lucifer
2021-02-25 20:55:37 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:08:51 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on truth.
You've got that backwards. They'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you
insist on lying.
You have that backwards. You will get kicked out if you tell the
truth.
That's not even reasonable
That's what I'm telling you.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
I always answer his questions. (even when they are ridiculous) Just
reread my postings.
Rational questions seem ridiculous to the insane.
Tell me something I don't already know.
God is not good.
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
Ted
2021-02-16 17:40:20 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth.
Post by z***@windstream.net
You've got that backwards. They'll kick you
out in a heartbeat if you
insist on lying.
With the Watchtower Society as the arbiters of what are considered
"lies".
Post by z***@windstream.net
I always answer his questions. (even when
they are ridiculous) Just
reread my postings.
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Yes, it's been my experience with JWs that they'll always answer your
questions.
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-17 21:45:36 UTC
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Post by Ted
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth.
Post by z***@windstream.net
You've got that backwards. They'll kick you
out in a heartbeat if you
insist on lying.
With the Watchtower Society as the arbiters of what are considered
"lies".
Contradicting the Bible.
Post by Ted
Post by z***@windstream.net
I always answer his questions. (even when
they are ridiculous) Just
reread my postings.
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Yes, it's been my experience with JWs that they'll always answer your
questions.
You might not like the Scriptural answers, but they are truthful.


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
John Ritson
2021-02-18 10:55:21 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth.
Post by z***@windstream.net
You've got that backwards. They'll kick you
out in a heartbeat if you
insist on lying.
With the Watchtower Society as the arbiters of what are considered
"lies".
Contradicting the Bible.
The JWs having produced their own spectacularly bad version of the Bible
because they had no Greek or Hebrew scholars.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
Post by z***@windstream.net
I always answer his questions. (even when
they are ridiculous) Just
reread my postings.
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Yes, it's been my experience with JWs that they'll always answer your
questions.
You might not like the Scriptural answers, but they are truthful.
Such as when the "Governing Body" for years claimed that a reference
from Joel to locusts was a foreshadowing of hordes of JWs sweeping
across the land, and then had to admit that an earlier verse made it
clear that the locusts were a very bad thing.

"That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that
which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the
cankerworm hath left hath the caterpillar eaten"
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
--
John Ritson
tesla sTinker
2021-02-28 17:39:38 UTC
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The majority of people speaking here, are first class ass holes.
God already said, they do not go to Heaven.
To speak with them is as big an ass as they are.

the real Bible says;

"5 For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in
order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every
city, as I also appointed thee: 6 If any be without crime, the husband
of one wife, having faithful children, not accused of riot, or unruly.
7 For a bishop must be without crime, as the steward of God: not proud,
not subject to anger, not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of
filthy lucre: 8 But given to hospitality, gentle, sober, just, holy,
continent: 9 Embracing that faithful word which is according to
doctrine, that he may be able to exhort in sound doctrine, and to
convince the gainsayers.

10 For there are also many disobedient, vain talkers, and seducers:
especially they who are of the circumcision: 11 Who must be reproved,
who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for
filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of them a prophet of their own, said, The
Cretians are always liars, evil beasts, slothful bellies. 13 This
testimony is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound
in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of
men, who turn themselves away from the truth.

15 All things are clean to the clean: but to them that are defiled, and
to unbelievers, nothing is clean: but both their mind and their
conscience are defiled. 16 They profess that they know God: but in their
works they deny him; being abominable, and incredulous, and to every
good work reprobate."

All of them, are certainly, reprobates in this group.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth.
Post by z***@windstream.net
You've got that backwards. They'll kick you
out in a heartbeat if you
insist on lying.
With the Watchtower Society as the arbiters of what are considered
"lies".
Contradicting the Bible.
The JWs having produced their own spectacularly bad version of the Bible
because they had no Greek or Hebrew scholars.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
Post by z***@windstream.net
I always answer his questions. (even when
they are ridiculous) Just
reread my postings.
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Yes, it's been my experience with JWs that they'll always answer your
questions.
You might not like the Scriptural answers, but they are truthful.
Such as when the "Governing Body" for years claimed that a reference
from Joel to locusts was a foreshadowing of hordes of JWs sweeping
across the land, and then had to admit that an earlier verse made it
clear that the locusts were a very bad thing.
"That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that
which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the
cankerworm hath left hath the caterpillar eaten"
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-24 07:40:59 UTC
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Post by Ted
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth.
Post by z***@windstream.net
You've got that backwards. They'll kick you
out in a heartbeat if you
insist on lying.
With the Watchtower Society as the arbiters of what are considered
"lies".
Negatrons. It is the Bible which determines lies.

James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Post by Ted
Post by z***@windstream.net
I always answer his questions. (even when
they are ridiculous) Just
reread my postings.
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Yes, it's been my experience with JWs that they'll always answer your
questions.
Lucifer
2021-02-25 20:53:08 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth.
Post by z***@windstream.net
You've got that backwards. They'll kick you
out in a heartbeat if you
insist on lying.
With the Watchtower Society as the arbiters of what are considered
"lies".
Negatrons. It is the Bible which determines lies.
The bible is all lies.
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
The Bible is lies
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-28 17:01:16 UTC
Reply
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 07:53:08 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not
answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth
and was therefore excommunicated?
Indeed, they'll kick you out in a heartbeat if you insist on
truth.
Post by z***@windstream.net
You've got that backwards. They'll kick you
out in a heartbeat if you
insist on lying.
With the Watchtower Society as the arbiters of what are considered
"lies".
Negatrons. It is the Bible which determines lies.
The bible is all lies.
Then "Love you neighbor as yourself." is also a lie.

And you know what, looking around the world today, most people don't
follow that command. So you must be right.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
The Bible is lies
Name one.


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-15 21:54:24 UTC
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Permalink
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.

If you have questions, fire away.


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Lucifer
2021-02-16 11:05:44 UTC
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?

Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?

Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?

What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?

Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Post by Ted
James
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-16 16:01:59 UTC
Reply
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.

God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)

As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
James
Lucifer
2021-02-16 22:25:12 UTC
Reply
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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-17 21:10:16 UTC
Reply
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On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:25:12 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.

Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
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On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth. If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me
questions.


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
Lucifer
2021-02-18 08:39:57 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:25:12 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment:
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

The next passage contradicts that.

5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
That's the sort of thing the gangsters of New York would say to
business owners. We call that a protection racket.
God did very bad in creating us that way.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Jesus showed us he was a big tease.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Do you follow divine command theory?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Digital doesn't have copying errors.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Divine command theory?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth.
I asked you why God created things the way they are.
You say God is not the creator.

With great power comes great responsibility.
With all power comes all responsibility.
Post by z***@windstream.net
If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me questions.
Define "the truth."
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-19 10:52:07 UTC
Reply
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On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:39:57 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:25:12 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The next passage contradicts that.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
There is no contradiction. Verse 4 is talking about God. Vs 5 is
talking about wicked humans:

"They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his
children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted
generation!"

Notice "the defect is their own." Not God's.

But you might ask, "If God's creation are perfect, how can vs 5 humans
have defects?

Its the 'free will' given to them. Instead of making them robots that
MUST act a certain way, they can make choices. So they made wrong
choices and thus made their own defects.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
That's the sort of thing the gangsters of New York would say to
business owners. We call that a protection racket.
God did very bad in creating us that way.
Sorry, but that's no comparison. Gangsters have an average IQ, cannot
feed ALL starving people, cannot remove suffering and sickness, cannot
eliminate death. Thus they can't even save themselves from those
defects.

Jesus on the other hand has an IQ in probably 6 digits or more. Can
fulfill all those things the gangsters (or anyone) can't do.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Jesus showed us he was a big tease.
Have you lost a loved-one in death? Jesus can 'tease' you by
resurrecting that person. Can you eliminate all suffering? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Can you eliminate all starvation? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Etc, etc.

Yes, that 'tease' will eliminate ALL problems of humans, having been
one himself.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Do you follow divine command theory?
I sure hope so. And it is no 'theory', but factual. Ec 12:13,

"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Digital doesn't have copying errors.
True, and I never said it does.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Divine command theory?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth.
I asked you why God created things the way they are.
And you are getting your times mixed up. IN THE BEGINNING, God created
everything perfect. What things are now, are the result of 'the
defects are their own'. (Deut 32:5) I have told you this a 1000 times,
but you apparently have a mental block to it. Satan must have a good
hold on you.
Post by Lucifer
You say God is not the creator.
Another one of you mental blocks.
Post by Lucifer
With great power comes great responsibility.
With all power comes all responsibility.
Then all accidents by Ford cars, is the responsibility of the Ford
Motor Company. Right?
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me questions.
Define "the truth."
"that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+truth&sa=Google+Search

James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
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James
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The next passage contradicts that.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
There is no contradiction. Verse 4 is talking about God. Vs 5 is
"They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his
children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted
generation!"
Notice "the defect is their own." Not God's.
God's work is obviously not perfect.
Post by z***@windstream.net
But you might ask, "If God's creation are perfect, how can vs 5 humans
have defects?
Its the 'free will' given to them. Instead of making them robots that
MUST act a certain way, they can make choices. So they made wrong
choices and thus made their own defects.
There are people who only ever choose good. They have free will
so your claim is false.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
That's the sort of thing the gangsters of New York would say to
business owners. We call that a protection racket.
God did very bad in creating us that way.
Sorry, but that's no comparison. Gangsters have an average IQ, cannot
feed ALL starving people, cannot remove suffering and sickness, cannot
eliminate death. Thus they can't even save themselves from those
defects.
Jesus on the other hand has an IQ in probably 6 digits or more. Can
fulfill all those things the gangsters (or anyone) can't do.
That makes it worse since Jesus does none of those things.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Jesus showed us he was a big tease.
Have you lost a loved-one in death? Jesus can 'tease' you by
resurrecting that person. Can you eliminate all suffering? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Can you eliminate all starvation? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Etc, etc.
Yes, that 'tease' will eliminate ALL problems of humans, having been
one himself.
Believing Jesus can correct God's errors must make things far worse
for you. You must think God and Jesus are laughing at you.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Do you follow divine command theory?
I sure hope so. And it is no 'theory', but factual. Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
So everything is good?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Digital doesn't have copying errors.
True, and I never said it does.
But God's method does.
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Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Divine command theory?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth.
You did not answer my questions.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
I asked you why God created things the way they are.
And you are getting your times mixed up. IN THE BEGINNING, God created
everything perfect. What things are now, are the result of 'the
defects are their own'. (Deut 32:5) I have told you this a 1000 times,
but you apparently have a mental block to it. Satan must have a good
hold on you.
I still don't know what sort of God creates a world where life feeds
off life and only the strongest survive.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
You say God is not the creator.
Another one of you mental blocks.
Why did God create a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
With great power comes great responsibility.
With all power comes all responsibility.
Then all accidents by Ford cars, is the responsibility of the Ford
Motor Company. Right?
No, of course not. They are the responsibility of the One Who
designed physics and humans and Who refuses to use His powers
for good. I told you that before.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me questions.
Define "the truth."
"that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+truth&sa=Google+Search
Define "fact."
Define "reality."
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James
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On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:39:57 +1100, Lucifer
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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:25:12 +1100, Lucifer
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The next passage contradicts that.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
There is no contradiction. Verse 4 is talking about God. Vs 5 is
"They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his
children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted
generation!"
Notice "the defect is their own." Not God's.
God's work is obviously not perfect.
Not according to Deut 32:4.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
But you might ask, "If God's creation are perfect, how can vs 5 humans
have defects?
Its the 'free will' given to them. Instead of making them robots that
MUST act a certain way, they can make choices. So they made wrong
choices and thus made their own defects.
There are people who only ever choose good. They have free will
so your claim is false.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
That's the sort of thing the gangsters of New York would say to
business owners. We call that a protection racket.
God did very bad in creating us that way.
Sorry, but that's no comparison. Gangsters have an average IQ, cannot
feed ALL starving people, cannot remove suffering and sickness, cannot
eliminate death. Thus they can't even save themselves from those
defects.
Jesus on the other hand has an IQ in probably 6 digits or more. Can
fulfill all those things the gangsters (or anyone) can't do.
That makes it worse since Jesus does none of those things.
Jesus fed thousands who were listening to him. Jesus cured all kinds
of diseases people were suffering from. Jesus raised people from the
dead, even one that was rotting in his tomb and smelled terrible.
(Lazarus)
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Jesus showed us he was a big tease.
Have you lost a loved-one in death? Jesus can 'tease' you by
resurrecting that person. Can you eliminate all suffering? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Can you eliminate all starvation? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Etc, etc.
Yes, that 'tease' will eliminate ALL problems of humans, having been
one himself.
Believing Jesus can correct God's errors must make things far worse
for you. You must think God and Jesus are laughing at you.
Be careful. Your imagination can get you into real trouble.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Do you follow divine command theory?
I sure hope so. And it is no 'theory', but factual. Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
So everything is good?
Look at the Scripture again. Does it say everything is good? Ec 12:13,

"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Digital doesn't have copying errors.
True, and I never said it does.
But God's method does.
You haven't seen God's method yet. When you do you will be amazed.
(like the unforgettable universe and how everything allegedly formed
from the solarsystem, yet how different they all are.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Divine command theory?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth.
You did not answer my questions.
I answer them, but you don't like my answers. That's up to you.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
I asked you why God created things the way they are.
And you are getting your times mixed up. IN THE BEGINNING, God created
everything perfect. What things are now, are the result of 'the
defects are their own'. (Deut 32:5) I have told you this a 1000 times,
but you apparently have a mental block to it. Satan must have a good
hold on you.
I still don't know what sort of God creates a world where life feeds
off life and only the strongest survive.
Not true. Today weak ones also survive.

We hatched some chicks from eggs. Some were strong and some were frail
to start out, but all lived just fine. Your evolution theory is not
working.

As for life feeding off life, for animals and insects, today that is
true. But humans usually feed off previous life.

But none of this is God's will. God made all higher life forms live
off of vegetation, including man. (see early Genesis)
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
You say God is not the creator.
Another one of you mental blocks.
Why did God create a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
You keep asking the same questions. And I answer them with the truth.
But apparently you do not like the truth. You want things to 'tickle
your ears'. In other words only what you want to hear. That is not
being very scientific.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
With great power comes great responsibility.
With all power comes all responsibility.
Then all accidents by Ford cars, is the responsibility of the Ford
Motor Company. Right?
No, of course not. They are the responsibility of the One Who
designed physics and humans and Who refuses to use His powers
for good. I told you that before.
Until the false accusations against God are fulfilled, there will
continue to be defects from Adam. Considering how far the defects have
come from Adam's creation, I am amazed we are still alive.

You might not like the way God does things, that is because he is a
zillion % smarter than you. This is God's universe and reality. We did
nothing to bring ourselves into existence. Why do you see that NASA
hasn't even found a microbe on any planet or moon? Because it takes
God to produce life, not brainless macroevolution.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me questions.
Define "the truth."
"that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+truth&sa=Google+Search
Define "fact."
"noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

a thing that is known or proved to be true."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+fact&sa=Google+Search
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Define "reality."
"noun
noun: reality

1.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as
opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them"
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+reality&sa=Google+Search


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
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On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:39:57 +1100, Lucifer
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On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:25:12 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The next passage contradicts that.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
There is no contradiction. Verse 4 is talking about God. Vs 5 is
"They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his
children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted
generation!"
Notice "the defect is their own." Not God's.
God's work is obviously not perfect.
Not according to Deut 32:4.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
But you might ask, "If God's creation are perfect, how can vs 5 humans
have defects?
Its the 'free will' given to them. Instead of making them robots that
MUST act a certain way, they can make choices. So they made wrong
choices and thus made their own defects.
There are people who only ever choose good. They have free will
so your claim is false.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
That's the sort of thing the gangsters of New York would say to
business owners. We call that a protection racket.
God did very bad in creating us that way.
Sorry, but that's no comparison. Gangsters have an average IQ, cannot
feed ALL starving people, cannot remove suffering and sickness, cannot
eliminate death. Thus they can't even save themselves from those
defects.
Jesus on the other hand has an IQ in probably 6 digits or more. Can
fulfill all those things the gangsters (or anyone) can't do.
That makes it worse since Jesus does none of those things.
Jesus fed thousands who were listening to him. Jesus cured all kinds
of diseases people were suffering from. Jesus raised people from the
dead, even one that was rotting in his tomb and smelled terrible.
(Lazarus)
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Jesus showed us he was a big tease.
Have you lost a loved-one in death? Jesus can 'tease' you by
resurrecting that person. Can you eliminate all suffering? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Can you eliminate all starvation? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Etc, etc.
Yes, that 'tease' will eliminate ALL problems of humans, having been
one himself.
Believing Jesus can correct God's errors must make things far worse
for you. You must think God and Jesus are laughing at you.
Be careful. Your imagination can get you into real trouble.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Do you follow divine command theory?
I sure hope so. And it is no 'theory', but factual. Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
So everything is good?
Look at the Scripture again. Does it say everything is good? Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Digital doesn't have copying errors.
True, and I never said it does.
But God's method does.
You haven't seen God's method yet. When you do you will be amazed.
(like the unforgettable universe and how everything allegedly formed
from the solarsystem, yet how different they all are.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Divine command theory?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth.
You did not answer my questions.
I answer them, but you don't like my answers. That's up to you.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
I asked you why God created things the way they are.
And you are getting your times mixed up. IN THE BEGINNING, God created
everything perfect. What things are now, are the result of 'the
defects are their own'. (Deut 32:5) I have told you this a 1000 times,
but you apparently have a mental block to it. Satan must have a good
hold on you.
I still don't know what sort of God creates a world where life feeds
off life and only the strongest survive.
Not true. Today weak ones also survive.
We hatched some chicks from eggs. Some were strong and some were frail
to start out, but all lived just fine. Your evolution theory is not
working.
As for life feeding off life, for animals and insects, today that is
true. But humans usually feed off previous life.
But none of this is God's will. God made all higher life forms live
off of vegetation, including man. (see early Genesis)
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You say God is not the creator.
Another one of you mental blocks.
Why did God create a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
You keep asking the same questions. And I answer them with the truth.
But apparently you do not like the truth. You want things to 'tickle
your ears'. In other words only what you want to hear. That is not
being very scientific.
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With great power comes great responsibility.
With all power comes all responsibility.
Then all accidents by Ford cars, is the responsibility of the Ford
Motor Company. Right?
No, of course not. They are the responsibility of the One Who
designed physics and humans and Who refuses to use His powers
for good. I told you that before.
Until the false accusations against God are fulfilled, there will
continue to be defects from Adam. Considering how far the defects have
come from Adam's creation, I am amazed we are still alive.
You might not like the way God does things, that is because he is a
zillion % smarter than you. This is God's universe and reality. We did
nothing to bring ourselves into existence. Why do you see that NASA
hasn't even found a microbe on any planet or moon? Because it takes
God to produce life, not brainless macroevolution.
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If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me questions.
Define "the truth."
"that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+truth&sa=Google+Search
Define "fact."
"noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+fact&sa=Google+Search
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Define "reality."
"noun
noun: reality
1.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as
opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them"
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+reality&sa=Google+Search
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
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James
define asking you qestions
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
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If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The next passage contradicts that.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
There is no contradiction. Verse 4 is talking about God. Vs 5 is
"They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his
children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted
generation!"
Notice "the defect is their own." Not God's.
God's work is obviously not perfect.
Not according to Deut 32:4.
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But you might ask, "If God's creation are perfect, how can vs 5 humans
have defects?
Its the 'free will' given to them. Instead of making them robots that
MUST act a certain way, they can make choices. So they made wrong
choices and thus made their own defects.
There are people who only ever choose good. They have free will
so your claim is false.
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God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
That's the sort of thing the gangsters of New York would say to
business owners. We call that a protection racket.
God did very bad in creating us that way.
Sorry, but that's no comparison. Gangsters have an average IQ, cannot
feed ALL starving people, cannot remove suffering and sickness, cannot
eliminate death. Thus they can't even save themselves from those
defects.
Jesus on the other hand has an IQ in probably 6 digits or more. Can
fulfill all those things the gangsters (or anyone) can't do.
That makes it worse since Jesus does none of those things.
Jesus fed thousands who were listening to him. Jesus cured all kinds
of diseases people were suffering from. Jesus raised people from the
dead, even one that was rotting in his tomb and smelled terrible.
(Lazarus)
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Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Jesus showed us he was a big tease.
Have you lost a loved-one in death? Jesus can 'tease' you by
resurrecting that person. Can you eliminate all suffering? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Can you eliminate all starvation? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Etc, etc.
Yes, that 'tease' will eliminate ALL problems of humans, having been
one himself.
Believing Jesus can correct God's errors must make things far worse
for you. You must think God and Jesus are laughing at you.
Be careful. Your imagination can get you into real trouble.
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Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Do you follow divine command theory?
I sure hope so. And it is no 'theory', but factual. Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
So everything is good?
Look at the Scripture again. Does it say everything is good? Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
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Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Digital doesn't have copying errors.
True, and I never said it does.
But God's method does.
You haven't seen God's method yet. When you do you will be amazed.
(like the unforgettable universe and how everything allegedly formed
from the solarsystem, yet how different they all are.
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What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Divine command theory?
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Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth.
You did not answer my questions.
I answer them, but you don't like my answers. That's up to you.
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I asked you why God created things the way they are.
And you are getting your times mixed up. IN THE BEGINNING, God created
everything perfect. What things are now, are the result of 'the
defects are their own'. (Deut 32:5) I have told you this a 1000 times,
but you apparently have a mental block to it. Satan must have a good
hold on you.
I still don't know what sort of God creates a world where life feeds
off life and only the strongest survive.
Not true. Today weak ones also survive.
We hatched some chicks from eggs. Some were strong and some were frail
to start out, but all lived just fine. Your evolution theory is not
working.
As for life feeding off life, for animals and insects, today that is
true. But humans usually feed off previous life.
But none of this is God's will. God made all higher life forms live
off of vegetation, including man. (see early Genesis)
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You say God is not the creator.
Another one of you mental blocks.
Why did God create a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
You keep asking the same questions. And I answer them with the truth.
But apparently you do not like the truth. You want things to 'tickle
your ears'. In other words only what you want to hear. That is not
being very scientific.
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With great power comes great responsibility.
With all power comes all responsibility.
Then all accidents by Ford cars, is the responsibility of the Ford
Motor Company. Right?
No, of course not. They are the responsibility of the One Who
designed physics and humans and Who refuses to use His powers
for good. I told you that before.
Until the false accusations against God are fulfilled, there will
continue to be defects from Adam. Considering how far the defects have
come from Adam's creation, I am amazed we are still alive.
You might not like the way God does things, that is because he is a
zillion % smarter than you. This is God's universe and reality. We did
nothing to bring ourselves into existence. Why do you see that NASA
hasn't even found a microbe on any planet or moon? Because it takes
God to produce life, not brainless macroevolution.
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If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me questions.
Define "the truth."
"that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+truth&sa=Google+Search
Define "fact."
"noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+fact&sa=Google+Search
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Define "reality."
"noun
noun: reality
1.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as
opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them"
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+reality&sa=Google+Search
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
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James
define asking you qestions
To ask about something you want an answer for.

James
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The Bible is truths
Some mundane truths, but chock full of monstrous immoral teachings.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
A Jesus is as useful as a Zeus.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
sycophant - an ass kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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James
The Bible is truths
Some mundane truths, but chock full of monstrous immoral teachings.
Alright, name some.

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James
The Bible is truths
Some mundane truths, but chock full of monstrous immoral teachings.
Alright, name some.
Kill non-virgin brides.
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
A Jesus is as useful as a Zeus.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
sycophant - an ass kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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James
The Bible is truths
Some mundane truths, but chock full of monstrous immoral teachings.
Alright, name some.
Kill non-virgin brides.
And your Scripture you base it on?


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James
The Bible is truths
Some mundane truths, but chock full of monstrous immoral teachings.
Alright, name some.
Kill non-virgin brides.
And your Scripture you base it on?
Do google search on kill non-virgin brides. IIRC, Deut. 20 or so.
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
A Jesus is as useful as a Zeus.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
sycophant - an ass kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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James
The Bible is truths
Some mundane truths, but chock full of monstrous immoral teachings.
Alright, name some.
Kill non-virgin brides.
And your Scripture you base it on?
Do google search on kill non-virgin brides. IIRC, Deut. 20 or so.
Alright. It says Deut 22:20,

"20 “If, though, the accusation is true, and there is no evidence that
the girl was a virgin, 21 they should bring the girl out to the
entrance of her father’s house, and the men of her city should stone
her to death, because she has committed a disgraceful act in Israel by
committing sexual immorality in the house of her father. So you must
remove what is bad from your midst." (NWT)

Unlike conditions today, where fornication and adultery are rampant,
and people are desensitized to such sins, God's commandments back then
were binding upon all Israelites.

And the girl would have known God's commandments on these, and
willingly disobeyed them. The punishment is upon their own heads.


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James
The Bible is truths
Some mundane truths, but chock full of monstrous immoral teachings.
Alright, name some.
Kill non-virgin brides.
And your Scripture you base it on?
Do google search on kill non-virgin brides. IIRC, Deut. 20 or so.
Alright. It says Deut 22:20,
So you only pretended to not know; fuckin "Liar for Jesus"
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"20 “If, though, the accusation is true, and there is no evidence that
the girl was a virgin, 21 they should bring the girl out to the
entrance of her father’s house, and the men of her city should stone
her to death, because she has committed a disgraceful act in Israel by
committing sexual immorality in the house of her father. So you must
remove what is bad from your midst." (NWT)
Unlike conditions today, where fornication and adultery are rampant,
and people are desensitized to such sins, God's commandments back then
were binding upon all Israelites.
And the girl would have known God's commandments on these, and
willingly disobeyed them. The punishment is upon their own heads.
James
That's an idiot justification: girls back then _deserved_ death, but
today God is _less_ known so stop killing non-virgin girls.

Your imaginary God is an immoral idiot, surprisingly just like you.

LOL.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
A Jesus is as useful as a Zeus.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
sycophant - an ass kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
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James
The Bible is truths
Some mundane truths, but chock full of monstrous immoral teachings.
Alright, name some.
From,
https://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/

11 kinds of Bible verses Christians love to ignore
The Good Book contains passages about rape, murder and slavery that
Evangelicals conveniently refuse to acknowledge
By Valerie Tarico
May 31, 2014 4:00PM (UTC)
This article originally appeared on AlterNet.

Some Bible-believing Christians play fast and loose with their sacred
text. When it suits their purposes, they treat it like the literally
perfect word of God. Then, when it suits their other purposes, they
conveniently ignore the parts of the Bible that are—inconvenient.

Here are 11 kinds of verses Bible-believers ignore so that they can
keep spouting the others when they want to. To list all of the verses
in these categories would take a book almost the size of the Bible;
one the size of the Bible minus the Jefferson Bible, to be precise.
I'll limit myself to a couple tantalizing tidbits of each kind, and
the curious reader who wants more can go to the Skeptic's Annotated
Bible or simply dig out the old family tome and start reading at
Genesis, Chapter I.

1. Weird insults and curses.
2. Awkwardly useless commandments.
3. Silly food rules. The early Hebrews probably didn't have an obesity
4. Holy hangups about genitals.
5. God's temper tantrums.
6. Times when the Bible God is worse than Satan.
7. Instructions for slave masters.
8. Bizzare death penalties.
9. Denigration of handicapped people.
10. Moral edicts that demand too much.
11. Passages that are a waste of brain space and paper.

What I found was that most of the Bible was neither horrible nor
inspiring. It was simply dull and irrelevant: long genealogies written
by men obsessed with racial purity; archaic stories about ancient
squabbles over real estate and women; arcane rituals aimed at pleasing
a volatile deity; folk medicine practices involving mandrakes and
dove's blood; superstition that equated cleanliness with spiritual
purity and misfortune with divine disfavor; outdated insider politics.

On top of that, it was badly written, with some stories garbled and
others repeated, though rarely in complete agreement about the facts.
The Bible's supposed author seemed like a psychological mess, and I
found myself irritated. With a finite number of pages to set the
course of human history, this was the best He could do?
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James
The Bible is truths
Some mundane truths, but chock full of monstrous immoral teachings.
Alright, name some.
From,
https://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/
11 kinds of Bible verses Christians love to ignore
The Good Book contains passages about rape, murder and slavery that
Evangelicals conveniently refuse to acknowledge
Israelites males were not to rape female captives. Murder was punished
by death, slavery was regulated and was more like employees, and was
nothing like the black slaves back here.
Post by Lucifer
By Valerie Tarico
May 31, 2014 4:00PM (UTC)
This article originally appeared on AlterNet.
Some Bible-believing Christians play fast and loose with their sacred
text. When it suits their purposes, they treat it like the literally
perfect word of God. Then, when it suits their other purposes, they
conveniently ignore the parts of the Bible that are—inconvenient.
That's their fault. The true religion accepts ALL of the Bible, since
it is the word of God. (2 Tim 3:16)
Post by Lucifer
Here are 11 kinds of verses Bible-believers ignore so that they can
keep spouting the others when they want to. To list all of the verses
in these categories would take a book almost the size of the Bible;
one the size of the Bible minus the Jefferson Bible, to be precise.
I'll limit myself to a couple tantalizing tidbits of each kind, and
the curious reader who wants more can go to the Skeptic's Annotated
Bible or simply dig out the old family tome and start reading at
Genesis, Chapter I.
1. Weird insults and curses.
No Scriptures given. I can't read the context if none is listed.
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2. Awkwardly useless commandments
No Scriptures given.
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3. Silly food rules. The early Hebrews probably didn't have an obesity
No Scriptures given.
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4. Holy hangups about genitals.
No Scriptures given.
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5. God's temper tantrums.
No Scriptures given.
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6. Times when the Bible God is worse than Satan.
No Scriptures given.
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7. Instructions for slave masters.
No Scriptures given.
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8. Bizzare death penalties.
No Scriptures given.
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9. Denigration of handicapped people.
No Scriptures given.
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10. Moral edicts that demand too much.
No Scriptures given.
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11. Passages that are a waste of brain space and paper.
No Scriptures given.
Post by Lucifer
What I found was that most of the Bible was neither horrible nor
inspiring. It was simply dull and irrelevant: long genealogies written
by men obsessed with racial purity; archaic stories about ancient
squabbles over real estate and women; arcane rituals aimed at pleasing
a volatile deity; folk medicine practices involving mandrakes and
dove's blood; superstition that equated cleanliness with spiritual
purity and misfortune with divine disfavor; outdated insider politics.
On top of that, it was badly written, with some stories garbled and
others repeated, though rarely in complete agreement about the facts.
The Bible's supposed author seemed like a psychological mess, and I
found myself irritated. With a finite number of pages to set the
course of human history, this was the best He could do?
With that attitude no wonder you discredit the Bible. I see the Bible
as a book basically of love, and of punishment of wrong doing, shows
the weaknesses of humans and why we need God's guidance. The Bible
also shows the glorious future to come. (example see Rev 21:3,4) It is
also a book of truths. It shows the beginning of creation and in what
order things were created, etc, etc.


James
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The Bible is truths
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James
The Bible is truths
Some mundane truths, but chock full of monstrous immoral teachings.
Alright, name some.
From,
https://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/
11 kinds of Bible verses Christians love to ignore
The Good Book contains passages about rape, murder and slavery that
Evangelicals conveniently refuse to acknowledge
Israelites males were not to rape female captives. Murder was punished
by death, slavery was regulated and was more like employees, and was
nothing like the black slaves back here.
Post by Lucifer
By Valerie Tarico
May 31, 2014 4:00PM (UTC)
This article originally appeared on AlterNet.
Some Bible-believing Christians play fast and loose with their sacred
text. When it suits their purposes, they treat it like the literally
perfect word of God. Then, when it suits their other purposes, they
conveniently ignore the parts of the Bible that are—inconvenient.
That's their fault. The true religion accepts ALL of the Bible, since
it is the word of God. (2 Tim 3:16)
Did God create homosexuals so you could have target practise?
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Here are 11 kinds of verses Bible-believers ignore so that they can
keep spouting the others when they want to. To list all of the verses
in these categories would take a book almost the size of the Bible;
one the size of the Bible minus the Jefferson Bible, to be precise.
I'll limit myself to a couple tantalizing tidbits of each kind, and
the curious reader who wants more can go to the Skeptic's Annotated
Bible or simply dig out the old family tome and start reading at
Genesis, Chapter I.
1. Weird insults and curses.
No Scriptures given. I can't read the context if none is listed.
People don't like it when you copy their site completely.
You can see the whole thing at,
https://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/
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2. Awkwardly useless commandments
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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3. Silly food rules. The early Hebrews probably didn't have an obesity
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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4. Holy hangups about genitals.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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5. God's temper tantrums.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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6. Times when the Bible God is worse than Satan.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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7. Instructions for slave masters.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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8. Bizzare death penalties.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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9. Denigration of handicapped people.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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10. Moral edicts that demand too much.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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11. Passages that are a waste of brain space and paper.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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What I found was that most of the Bible was neither horrible nor
inspiring. It was simply dull and irrelevant: long genealogies written
by men obsessed with racial purity; archaic stories about ancient
squabbles over real estate and women; arcane rituals aimed at pleasing
a volatile deity; folk medicine practices involving mandrakes and
dove's blood; superstition that equated cleanliness with spiritual
purity and misfortune with divine disfavor; outdated insider politics.
On top of that, it was badly written, with some stories garbled and
others repeated, though rarely in complete agreement about the facts.
The Bible's supposed author seemed like a psychological mess, and I
found myself irritated. With a finite number of pages to set the
course of human history, this was the best He could do?
With that attitude no wonder you discredit the Bible.
The bible discredits itself.
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I see the Bible
as a book basically of love, and of punishment of wrong doing, shows
the weaknesses of humans and why we need God's guidance.
Shows the weakness of God and why we need to do our own thing.
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The Bible
also shows the glorious future to come. (example see Rev 21:3,4)
With God every time is glorious.
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It is also a book of truths.
Only if you define what the bible says as truth.
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It shows the beginning of creation and in what
order things were created, etc, etc.
That stuff is not meant to be taken literally.
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James
The Bible is truths
Some mundane truths, but chock full of monstrous immoral teachings.
Alright, name some.
From,
https://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/
11 kinds of Bible verses Christians love to ignore
The Good Book contains passages about rape, murder and slavery that
Evangelicals conveniently refuse to acknowledge
Israelites males were not to rape female captives. Murder was punished
by death, slavery was regulated and was more like employees, and was
nothing like the black slaves back here.
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By Valerie Tarico
May 31, 2014 4:00PM (UTC)
This article originally appeared on AlterNet.
Some Bible-believing Christians play fast and loose with their sacred
text. When it suits their purposes, they treat it like the literally
perfect word of God. Then, when it suits their other purposes, they
conveniently ignore the parts of the Bible that are—inconvenient.
That's their fault. The true religion accepts ALL of the Bible, since
it is the word of God. (2 Tim 3:16)
Did God create homosexuals so you could have target practise?
Of course not. Homosexuality is a result of Adam's imperfections being
passed down.
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Here are 11 kinds of verses Bible-believers ignore so that they can
keep spouting the others when they want to. To list all of the verses
in these categories would take a book almost the size of the Bible;
one the size of the Bible minus the Jefferson Bible, to be precise.
I'll limit myself to a couple tantalizing tidbits of each kind, and
the curious reader who wants more can go to the Skeptic's Annotated
Bible or simply dig out the old family tome and start reading at
Genesis, Chapter I.
1. Weird insults and curses.
No Scriptures given. I can't read the context if none is listed.
People don't like it when you copy their site completely.
I don't recall copying a full website. That would probably pose
copywrite problems.
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You can see the whole thing at,
https://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/
That is someone else's. Do you have any Bible questions?
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2. Awkwardly useless commandments
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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3. Silly food rules. The early Hebrews probably didn't have an obesity
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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4. Holy hangups about genitals.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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5. God's temper tantrums.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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6. Times when the Bible God is worse than Satan.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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7. Instructions for slave masters.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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8. Bizzare death penalties.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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9. Denigration of handicapped people.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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10. Moral edicts that demand too much.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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11. Passages that are a waste of brain space and paper.
No Scriptures given.
See above.
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What I found was that most of the Bible was neither horrible nor
inspiring. It was simply dull and irrelevant: long genealogies written
by men obsessed with racial purity; archaic stories about ancient
squabbles over real estate and women; arcane rituals aimed at pleasing
a volatile deity; folk medicine practices involving mandrakes and
dove's blood; superstition that equated cleanliness with spiritual
purity and misfortune with divine disfavor; outdated insider politics.
On top of that, it was badly written, with some stories garbled and
others repeated, though rarely in complete agreement about the facts.
The Bible's supposed author seemed like a psychological mess, and I
found myself irritated. With a finite number of pages to set the
course of human history, this was the best He could do?
With that attitude no wonder you discredit the Bible.
The bible discredits itself.
OK. So give me an example.
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I see the Bible
as a book basically of love, and of punishment of wrong doing, shows
the weaknesses of humans and why we need God's guidance.
Shows the weakness of God and why we need to do our own thing
Doing our own thing is what has got us into trouble today. The whole
world needs God's guidance.
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The Bible
also shows the glorious future to come. (example see Rev 21:3,4)
With God every time is glorious
Are you sure you are an atheist?
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It is also a book of truths.
Only if you define what the bible says as truth.
Either from the Bible, or from outside sources, what the Bible says is
truth.
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It shows the beginning of creation and in what
order things were created, etc, etc.
That stuff is not meant to be taken literally.
And how do you know that?


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
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Some Bible-believing Christians play fast and loose with their sacred
text. When it suits their purposes, they treat it like the literally
perfect word of God. Then, when it suits their other purposes, they
conveniently ignore the parts of the Bible that are—inconvenient.
That's their fault. The true religion accepts ALL of the Bible, since
it is the word of God. (2 Tim 3:16)
If JWs had founded America the American Indians and their animals
would have been totally eliminated.
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Did God create homosexuals so you could have target practise?
Of course not. Homosexuality is a result of Adam's imperfections being
passed down.
What was God's good purpose in creating homosexuality?
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You can see the whole thing at,
https://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/
That is someone else's.
It's publicly available.
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Do you have any Bible questions?
Why does the bible tell the story of an incompetent God that can't get
anything right?
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The bible discredits itself.
OK. So give me an example.
God has no idea what is going on and how to fix the mess he made.
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I see the Bible
as a book basically of love, and of punishment of wrong doing, shows
the weaknesses of humans and why we need God's guidance.
Shows the weakness of God and why we need to do our own thing
Doing our own thing is what has got us into trouble today.
Doing our own thing makes it possible for you to spread your lies.
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The whole world needs God's guidance.
Like how to tell if a women has been unfaithful?
When we relied on God life was much shorter and more brutish.
Benjamin Franklin was able to stop God killing people at church
with lightning.
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The Bible
also shows the glorious future to come. (example see Rev 21:3,4)
With God every time is glorious
Are you sure you are an atheist?
You told me.
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It is also a book of truths.
Only if you define what the bible says as truth.
Either from the Bible, or from outside sources, what the Bible says is
truth.
Only if you define what the bible says as truth.
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It shows the beginning of creation and in what
order things were created, etc, etc.
That stuff is not meant to be taken literally.
And how do you know that?
You never heard of symbolism? The Bible is loaded with it, esp
Revelation. I hope you are mature enough to distinguish between
symbolism and literalism.
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
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If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The next passage contradicts that.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
There is no contradiction. Verse 4 is talking about God. Vs 5 is
"They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his
children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted
generation!"
Notice "the defect is their own." Not God's.
God's work is obviously not perfect.
Not according to Deut 32:4.
Deut 32:5 shows God's work is not perfect.
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But you might ask, "If God's creation are perfect, how can vs 5 humans
have defects?
Its the 'free will' given to them. Instead of making them robots that
MUST act a certain way, they can make choices. So they made wrong
choices and thus made their own defects.
There are people who only ever choose good. They have free will
so your claim is false.
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God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
That's the sort of thing the gangsters of New York would say to
business owners. We call that a protection racket.
God did very bad in creating us that way.
Sorry, but that's no comparison. Gangsters have an average IQ, cannot
feed ALL starving people, cannot remove suffering and sickness, cannot
eliminate death. Thus they can't even save themselves from those
defects.
Jesus on the other hand has an IQ in probably 6 digits or more. Can
fulfill all those things the gangsters (or anyone) can't do.
That makes it worse since Jesus does none of those things.
Jesus fed thousands who were listening to him. Jesus cured all kinds
of diseases people were suffering from. Jesus raised people from the
dead, even one that was rotting in his tomb and smelled terrible.
(Lazarus)
Jesus does not feed ALL starving people, does not remove suffering
and sickness, and does not eliminate death.
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Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Jesus showed us he was a big tease.
Have you lost a loved-one in death? Jesus can 'tease' you by
resurrecting that person. Can you eliminate all suffering? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Can you eliminate all starvation? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Etc, etc.
Yes, that 'tease' will eliminate ALL problems of humans, having been
one himself.
Believing Jesus can correct God's errors must make things far worse
for you. You must think God and Jesus are laughing at you.
Be careful. Your imagination can get you into real trouble.
In what way?
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Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Do you follow divine command theory?
I sure hope so. And it is no 'theory', but factual. Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
So everything is good?
Look at the Scripture again. Does it say everything is good? Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
Divine command theory says everything God does and says is good.
Everything is the result of God creating therefore you must believe
everything is good.
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Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Digital doesn't have copying errors.
True, and I never said it does.
But God's method does.
You haven't seen God's method yet.
You told me about it. You said copying errors are the reason our
genes are messed up.
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When you do you will be amazed.
(like the unforgettable universe and how everything allegedly formed
from the solarsystem, yet how different they all are.
Sounds like you are listening to the wrong people.
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What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Divine command theory?
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Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth.
You did not answer my questions.
I answer them, but you don't like my answers. That's up to you.
You do not answer the questions I ask.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
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I asked you why God created things the way they are.
And you are getting your times mixed up. IN THE BEGINNING, God created
everything perfect. What things are now, are the result of 'the
defects are their own'. (Deut 32:5) I have told you this a 1000 times,
but you apparently have a mental block to it. Satan must have a good
hold on you.
I still don't know what sort of God creates a world where life feeds
off life and only the strongest survive.
Not true. Today weak ones also survive.
We hatched some chicks from eggs. Some were strong and some were frail
to start out, but all lived just fine. Your evolution theory is not
working.
I don't know much about evolution theory but I do know evolution
is the reason for the diversity of life.
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As for life feeding off life, for animals and insects, today that is
true. But humans usually feed off previous life.
Why did God create the world that way?
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But none of this is God's will.
It that even possible?
Isaiah 55:11 says you are wrong.
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God made all higher life forms live
off of vegetation, including man. (see early Genesis)
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
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You say God is not the creator.
Another one of you mental blocks.
Not the creator of this world.
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Why did God create a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
You keep asking the same questions.
I'd really like to know.
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And I answer them with the truth.
But apparently you do not like the truth. You want things to 'tickle
your ears'. In other words only what you want to hear. That is not
being very scientific.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
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With great power comes great responsibility.
With all power comes all responsibility.
Then all accidents by Ford cars, is the responsibility of the Ford
Motor Company. Right?
No, of course not. They are the responsibility of the One Who
designed physics and humans and Who refuses to use His powers
for good. I told you that before.
Until the false accusations against God are fulfilled, there will
continue to be defects from Adam. Considering how far the defects have
come from Adam's creation, I am amazed we are still alive.
You keep telling me where God is going wrong but not why.
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You might not like the way God does things, that is because he is a
zillion % smarter than you. This is God's universe and reality. We did
nothing to bring ourselves into existence.
Then we are not responsible for how we think and act and God will
not judge us.
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Why do you see that NASA
hasn't even found a microbe on any planet or moon? Because it takes
God to produce life, not brainless macroevolution.
Nobody is saying evolution produced life.
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If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me questions.
Define "the truth."
"that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+truth&sa=Google+Search
Define "fact."
"noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+fact&sa=Google+Search
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Define "reality."
"noun
noun: reality
1.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as
opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them"
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+reality&sa=Google+Search
Define truth the way you use it.
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
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If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The next passage contradicts that.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
There is no contradiction. Verse 4 is talking about God. Vs 5 is
"They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his
children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted
generation!"
Notice "the defect is their own." Not God's.
God's work is obviously not perfect.
Not according to Deut 32:4.
Deut 32:5 shows God's work is not perfect.
??

-- King James
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But you might ask, "If God's creation are perfect, how can vs 5 humans
have defects?
Its the 'free will' given to them. Instead of making them robots that
MUST act a certain way, they can make choices. So they made wrong
choices and thus made their own defects.
There are people who only ever choose good. They have free will
so your claim is false.
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Post by Lucifer
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Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
That's the sort of thing the gangsters of New York would say to
business owners. We call that a protection racket.
God did very bad in creating us that way.
Sorry, but that's no comparison. Gangsters have an average IQ, cannot
feed ALL starving people, cannot remove suffering and sickness, cannot
eliminate death. Thus they can't even save themselves from those
defects.
Jesus on the other hand has an IQ in probably 6 digits or more. Can
fulfill all those things the gangsters (or anyone) can't do.
That makes it worse since Jesus does none of those things.
Jesus fed thousands who were listening to him. Jesus cured all kinds
of diseases people were suffering from. Jesus raised people from the
dead, even one that was rotting in his tomb and smelled terrible.
(Lazarus)
Jesus does not feed ALL starving people, does not remove suffering
and sickness, and does not eliminate death.
That and this is not yet the time to do such things. See Rev 21:3,4.
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Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Jesus showed us he was a big tease.
Have you lost a loved-one in death? Jesus can 'tease' you by
resurrecting that person. Can you eliminate all suffering? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Can you eliminate all starvation? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Etc, etc.
Yes, that 'tease' will eliminate ALL problems of humans, having been
one himself.
Believing Jesus can correct God's errors must make things far worse
for you. You must think God and Jesus are laughing at you.
Be careful. Your imagination can get you into real trouble.
In what way?
By denying you everlasting life.
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Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Do you follow divine command theory?
I sure hope so. And it is no 'theory', but factual. Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
So everything is good?
Look at the Scripture again. Does it say everything is good? Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
Divine command theory says everything God does and says is good.
Everything is the result of God creating therefore you must believe
everything is good.
Negatrons! Negatrons!
Everything IS NOT a result of God creating. But God is permitting
things going on as they are, to prove the accusations against God are
false.
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Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Digital doesn't have copying errors.
True, and I never said it does.
But God's method does.
You haven't seen God's method yet.
You told me about it. You said copying errors are the reason our
genes are messed up.
Correct. When Adam sinned he became IMPERFECT. And with genetics,
things went from bad to worse.
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When you do you will be amazed.
(like the unforgettable universe and how everything allegedly formed
from the solarsystem, yet how different they all are.
Sounds like you are listening to the wrong people.
NASA?
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What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Divine command theory?
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Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth.
You did not answer my questions.
I answer them, but you don't like my answers. That's up to you.
You do not answer the questions I ask.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
Your premise is again wrong. Thus your question is tainted. God didn't
CREATE such a world.
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I asked you why God created things the way they are.
And you are getting your times mixed up. IN THE BEGINNING, God created
everything perfect. What things are now, are the result of 'the
defects are their own'. (Deut 32:5) I have told you this a 1000 times,
but you apparently have a mental block to it. Satan must have a good
hold on you.
I still don't know what sort of God creates a world where life feeds
off life and only the strongest survive.
Not true. Today weak ones also survive.
We hatched some chicks from eggs. Some were strong and some were frail
to start out, but all lived just fine. Your evolution theory is not
working.
I don't know much about evolution theory but I do know evolution
is the reason for the diversity of life.
How?
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As for life feeding off life, for animals and insects, today that is
true. But humans usually feed off previous life.
Why did God create the world that way?
See above about this same issue.
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But none of this is God's will.
It that even possible?
Isaiah 55:11 says you are wrong.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it
shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I
please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Nothing in that verse says God created things as they are today.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
God made all higher life forms live
off of vegetation, including man. (see early Genesis)
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
I don't know why you can't acknowledge that I answered you, and move
on.
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You say God is not the creator.
Another one of you mental blocks.
Not the creator of this world.
The world the way it is today, is not from God, but from Satan:

- Revised Standard
2 Corinthians 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the
minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the
gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God.
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Why did God create a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
You keep asking the same questions.
I'd really like to know.
I don't think I can make it simpler for you to understand. You have a
mental block on this.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
And I answer them with the truth.
But apparently you do not like the truth. You want things to 'tickle
your ears'. In other words only what you want to hear. That is not
being very scientific.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
God didn't.

See above. Any new questions?77
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With great power comes great responsibility.
With all power comes all responsibility.
Then all accidents by Ford cars, is the responsibility of the Ford
Motor Company. Right?
No, of course not. They are the responsibility of the One Who
designed physics and humans and Who refuses to use His powers
for good. I told you that before.
Until the false accusations against God are fulfilled, there will
continue to be defects from Adam. Considering how far the defects have
come from Adam's creation, I am amazed we are still alive.
You keep telling me where God is going wrong but not why.
You keep lying. Why?
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Post by z***@windstream.net
You might not like the way God does things, that is because he is a
zillion % smarter than you. This is God's universe and reality. We did
nothing to bring ourselves into existence.
Then we are not responsible for how we think and act and God will
not judge us.
-- New King James
Acts 17:31 "because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the
world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given
assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.''

We are 100% responsible because we have free will.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Why do you see that NASA
hasn't even found a microbe on any planet or moon? Because it takes
God to produce life, not brainless macroevolution.
Nobody is saying evolution produced life.
Then how did it come to be?
It would take someone pretty smart because of the complexities of DNA,
would it not?
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If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me questions.
Define "the truth."
"that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+truth&sa=Google+Search
Define "fact."
"noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+fact&sa=Google+Search
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Define "reality."
"noun
noun: reality
1.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as
opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them"
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+reality&sa=Google+Search
Define truth the way you use it.
Truth. The words and ideas recorded in the Bible.

James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
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If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The next passage contradicts that.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
There is no contradiction. Verse 4 is talking about God. Vs 5 is
"They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his
children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted
generation!"
Notice "the defect is their own." Not God's.
God's work is obviously not perfect.
Not according to Deut 32:4.
Deut 32:5 shows God's work is not perfect.
??
-- King James
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect:...
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
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But you might ask, "If God's creation are perfect, how can vs 5 humans
have defects?
Its the 'free will' given to them. Instead of making them robots that
MUST act a certain way, they can make choices. So they made wrong
choices and thus made their own defects.
There are people who only ever choose good. They have free will
so your claim is false.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
That's the sort of thing the gangsters of New York would say to
business owners. We call that a protection racket.
God did very bad in creating us that way.
Sorry, but that's no comparison. Gangsters have an average IQ, cannot
feed ALL starving people, cannot remove suffering and sickness, cannot
eliminate death. Thus they can't even save themselves from those
defects.
Jesus on the other hand has an IQ in probably 6 digits or more. Can
fulfill all those things the gangsters (or anyone) can't do.
That makes it worse since Jesus does none of those things.
Jesus fed thousands who were listening to him. Jesus cured all kinds
of diseases people were suffering from. Jesus raised people from the
dead, even one that was rotting in his tomb and smelled terrible.
(Lazarus)
Jesus does not feed ALL starving people, does not remove suffering
and sickness, and does not eliminate death.
That and this is not yet the time to do such things. See Rev 21:3,4.
Hitler promised a 1000 year Reich.
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Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Jesus showed us he was a big tease.
Have you lost a loved-one in death? Jesus can 'tease' you by
resurrecting that person. Can you eliminate all suffering? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Can you eliminate all starvation? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Etc, etc.
Yes, that 'tease' will eliminate ALL problems of humans, having been
one himself.
Believing Jesus can correct God's errors must make things far worse
for you. You must think God and Jesus are laughing at you.
Be careful. Your imagination can get you into real trouble.
In what way?
By denying you everlasting life.
How could my imagination can get me into real trouble?
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Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Do you follow divine command theory?
I sure hope so. And it is no 'theory', but factual. Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
So everything is good?
Look at the Scripture again. Does it say everything is good? Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
Divine command theory says everything God does and says is good.
Everything is the result of God creating therefore you must believe
everything is good.
Negatrons! Negatrons!
Everything IS NOT a result of God creating.
Did you mean not everything is the result of God creating?
Post by z***@windstream.net
But God is permitting
things going on as they are, to prove the accusations against God are
false.
That doesn't explain why God created a world where life feeds off
life and only the strongest survive.
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Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Digital doesn't have copying errors.
True, and I never said it does.
But God's method does.
You haven't seen God's method yet.
You told me about it. You said copying errors are the reason our
genes are messed up.
Correct. When Adam sinned he became IMPERFECT. And with genetics,
things went from bad to worse.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
When you do you will be amazed.
(like the unforgettable universe and how everything allegedly formed
from the solarsystem, yet how different they all are.
Sounds like you are listening to the wrong people.
NASA?
What does NASA say about the firmament?
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What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Divine command theory?
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth.
You did not answer my questions.
I answer them, but you don't like my answers. That's up to you.
You do not answer the questions I ask.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
Your premise is again wrong. Thus your question is tainted. God didn't
CREATE such a world.
Genesis says you are wrong.

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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I asked you why God created things the way they are.
And you are getting your times mixed up. IN THE BEGINNING, God created
everything perfect. What things are now, are the result of 'the
defects are their own'. (Deut 32:5) I have told you this a 1000 times,
but you apparently have a mental block to it. Satan must have a good
hold on you.
I still don't know what sort of God creates a world where life feeds
off life and only the strongest survive.
Not true. Today weak ones also survive.
We hatched some chicks from eggs. Some were strong and some were frail
to start out, but all lived just fine. Your evolution theory is not
working.
I don't know much about evolution theory but I do know evolution
is the reason for the diversity of life.
How?
The evidence is overwhealming.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
As for life feeding off life, for animals and insects, today that is
true. But humans usually feed off previous life.
Why did God create the world that way?
See above about this same issue.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off
life and only the strongest survive.
You keep telling me where God went wrong but not why.
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But none of this is God's will.
It that even possible?
Isaiah 55:11 says you are wrong.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it
shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I
please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Nothing in that verse says God created things as they are today.
Isaiah 55:11 says God always has what he wills.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
God made all higher life forms live
off of vegetation, including man. (see early Genesis)
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
I don't know why you can't acknowledge that I answered you, and move
on.
You told me where God went wrong but not why.
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You say God is not the creator.
Another one of you mental blocks.
Not the creator of this world.
- Revised Standard
2 Corinthians 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the
minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the
gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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Why did God create a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
You keep asking the same questions.
I'd really like to know.
I don't think I can make it simpler for you to understand. You have a
mental block on this.
You tell me where God went wrong but not why.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
And I answer them with the truth.
But apparently you do not like the truth. You want things to 'tickle
your ears'. In other words only what you want to hear. That is not
being very scientific.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
God didn't.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
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See above. Any new questions?77
Why is there so much evidence for evolution and none for God?
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With great power comes great responsibility.
With all power comes all responsibility.
Then all accidents by Ford cars, is the responsibility of the Ford
Motor Company. Right?
No, of course not. They are the responsibility of the One Who
designed physics and humans and Who refuses to use His powers
for good. I told you that before.
Until the false accusations against God are fulfilled, there will
continue to be defects from Adam. Considering how far the defects have
come from Adam's creation, I am amazed we are still alive.
You keep telling me where God is going wrong but not why.
You keep lying. Why?
Give me an example of where I lied.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
You might not like the way God does things, that is because he is a
zillion % smarter than you. This is God's universe and reality. We did
nothing to bring ourselves into existence.
Then we are not responsible for how we think and act and God will
not judge us.
-- New King James
Acts 17:31 "because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the
world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given
assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.''
We are 100% responsible because we have free will.
"We did nothing to bring ourselves into existence."
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Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Why do you see that NASA
hasn't even found a microbe on any planet or moon? Because it takes
God to produce life, not brainless macroevolution.
Nobody is saying evolution produced life.
Then how did it come to be?
Nobody knows.
Post by z***@windstream.net
It would take someone pretty smart because of the complexities of DNA,
would it not?
It would take pure evil to create us faulty and put us in a world
where life feed off life and only the strongest survive.
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If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me questions.
Define "the truth."
"that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+truth&sa=Google+Search
Define "fact."
"noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+fact&sa=Google+Search
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Define "reality."
"noun
noun: reality
1.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as
opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them"
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Define truth the way you use it.
Truth. The words and ideas recorded in the Bible.
What word to you use to talk about actual truth?
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
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If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The next passage contradicts that.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
There is no contradiction. Verse 4 is talking about God. Vs 5 is
"They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his
children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted
generation!"
Notice "the defect is their own." Not God's.
God's work is obviously not perfect.
Not according to Deut 32:4.
Deut 32:5 shows God's work is not perfect.
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Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect:...
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
Yes, they are corrupted by themselves.
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But you might ask, "If God's creation are perfect, how can vs 5 humans
have defects?
Its the 'free will' given to them. Instead of making them robots that
MUST act a certain way, they can make choices. So they made wrong
choices and thus made their own defects.
There are people who only ever choose good. They have free will
so your claim is false.
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God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
That's the sort of thing the gangsters of New York would say to
business owners. We call that a protection racket.
God did very bad in creating us that way.
Sorry, but that's no comparison. Gangsters have an average IQ, cannot
feed ALL starving people, cannot remove suffering and sickness, cannot
eliminate death. Thus they can't even save themselves from those
defects.
Jesus on the other hand has an IQ in probably 6 digits or more. Can
fulfill all those things the gangsters (or anyone) can't do.
That makes it worse since Jesus does none of those things.
Jesus fed thousands who were listening to him. Jesus cured all kinds
of diseases people were suffering from. Jesus raised people from the
dead, even one that was rotting in his tomb and smelled terrible.
(Lazarus)
Jesus does not feed ALL starving people, does not remove suffering
and sickness, and does not eliminate death.
That and this is not yet the time to do such things. See Rev 21:3,4.
Hitler promised a 1000 year Reich.
Yes, and it lasted about 12 1/2 years.
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Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Jesus showed us he was a big tease.
Have you lost a loved-one in death? Jesus can 'tease' you by
resurrecting that person. Can you eliminate all suffering? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Can you eliminate all starvation? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Etc, etc.
Yes, that 'tease' will eliminate ALL problems of humans, having been
one himself.
Believing Jesus can correct God's errors must make things far worse
for you. You must think God and Jesus are laughing at you.
Be careful. Your imagination can get you into real trouble.
In what way?
By denying you everlasting life.
How could my imagination can get me into real trouble?
By making up lies about God. What will you say to God on judgment day?
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Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Do you follow divine command theory?
I sure hope so. And it is no 'theory', but factual. Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
So everything is good?
Look at the Scripture again. Does it say everything is good? Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
Divine command theory says everything God does and says is good.
Everything is the result of God creating therefore you must believe
everything is good.
Negatrons! Negatrons!
Everything IS NOT a result of God creating.
Did you mean not everything is the result of God creating?
Correct. God did not create a Hitler. God had nothing to do with the
creation of the Playboy magazine, etc, etc.

The Ford Company is not responsible for every Ford wreck. Neither is
God responsible for wicked human ways.
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But God is permitting
things going on as they are, to prove the accusations against God are
false.
That doesn't explain why God created a world where life feeds off
life and only the strongest survive.
Look in Genesis. God originally gave ALL animals (and humans) a
vegetarian diet. What they do now is NOT God's desire. But soon God's
word will all be fulfilled:

-- Revised Standard
Isaiah 55:11 so shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth; it
shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I
purpose, and prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
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Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Digital doesn't have copying errors.
True, and I never said it does.
But God's method does.
You haven't seen God's method yet.
You told me about it. You said copying errors are the reason our
genes are messed up.
Correct. When Adam sinned he became IMPERFECT. And with genetics,
things went from bad to worse.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
I am amazed at how we face life now.We are so far from Adam, that I
believe we should all be dead by now.
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When you do you will be amazed.
(like the unforgettable universe and how everything allegedly formed
from the solarsystem, yet how different they all are.
Sounds like you are listening to the wrong people.
NASA?
What does NASA say about the firmament?
Let's try a better Bible translation.

"Then God said: “Let there be an expanse between the waters, and let
there be a division between the waters and the waters.” 7 Then God
went on to make the expanse and divided the waters beneath the expanse
from the waters above the expanse. And it was so. 8 God called the
expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second
day."

NASA should agree that we have a separation of the waters above (in
the clouds) and the waters in the seas. That separation is our
atmosphere. And the atmosphere above the clouds to the heavens.
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What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Divine command theory?
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Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth.
You did not answer my questions.
I answer them, but you don't like my answers. That's up to you.
You do not answer the questions I ask.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
Your premise is again wrong. Thus your question is tainted. God didn't
CREATE such a world.
Genesis says you are wrong.
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
And I suppose you would say that the Ford Motor Company is responsible
for all wrecked Fords.
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I asked you why God created things the way they are.
And you are getting your times mixed up. IN THE BEGINNING, God created
everything perfect. What things are now, are the result of 'the
defects are their own'. (Deut 32:5) I have told you this a 1000 times,
but you apparently have a mental block to it. Satan must have a good
hold on you.
I still don't know what sort of God creates a world where life feeds
off life and only the strongest survive.
Not true. Today weak ones also survive.
We hatched some chicks from eggs. Some were strong and some were frail
to start out, but all lived just fine. Your evolution theory is not
working.
I don't know much about evolution theory but I do know evolution
is the reason for the diversity of life.
How?
The evidence is overwhealming.
They make the evidence what they want. For example, they say birds
came from dinosaurs. They found what they call a dinosaur with
feathers. Then a 100W bulb turned on in their brain. Birds have
feathers, thus they evolved from feathered dinosaurs. AND PEOPLE GET
PAID TO TEACH SUCH NONSENSE.

Yes, the evidence is overwhelming that most people believe in
macroevolution.
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As for life feeding off life, for animals and insects, today that is
true. But humans usually feed off previous life.
Why did God create the world that way?
See above about this same issue.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off
life and only the strongest survive.
I already showed you with the baby chicks, how weak ones also survive.
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You keep telling me where God went wrong but not why.
God never goes wrong, so there is no "why".
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But none of this is God's will.
It that even possible?
Isaiah 55:11 says you are wrong.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it
shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I
please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Nothing in that verse says God created things as they are today.
Isaiah 55:11 says God always has what he wills.
Correct. But it doesn't say it happens instantly. In time, all of
God's will is done.
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God made all higher life forms live
off of vegetation, including man. (see early Genesis)
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
I don't know why you can't acknowledge that I answered you, and move
on.
You told me where God went wrong but not why.
God never goes wrong, so there is no "why".
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You say God is not the creator.
Another one of you mental blocks.
Not the creator of this world.
- Revised Standard
2 Corinthians 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the
minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the
gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Correct.
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Why did God create a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
You keep asking the same questions.
I'd really like to know.
I don't think I can make it simpler for you to understand. You have a
mental block on this.
You tell me where God went wrong but not why.
God never goes wrong, so there is no "why".
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And I answer them with the truth.
But apparently you do not like the truth. You want things to 'tickle
your ears'. In other words only what you want to hear. That is not
being very scientific.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
God didn't.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
again correct.
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See above. Any new questions?77
Why is there so much evidence for evolution and none for God?
Because you have been brainwashed into believing evolution, from early
school through Collage.
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With great power comes great responsibility.
With all power comes all responsibility.
Then all accidents by Ford cars, is the responsibility of the Ford
Motor Company. Right?
No, of course not. They are the responsibility of the One Who
designed physics and humans and Who refuses to use His powers
for good. I told you that before.
Until the false accusations against God are fulfilled, there will
continue to be defects from Adam. Considering how far the defects have
come from Adam's creation, I am amazed we are still alive.
You keep telling me where God is going wrong but not why.
You keep lying. Why?
Give me an example of where I lied.
--You keep telling me where God is going wrong but not why.
--The evidence [is overwhelming.
--I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off
life and only the strongest survive.
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You might not like the way God does things, that is because he is a
zillion % smarter than you. This is God's universe and reality. We did
nothing to bring ourselves into existence.
Then we are not responsible for how we think and act and God will
not judge us.
-- New King James
Acts 17:31 "because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the
world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given
assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.''
We are 100% responsible because we have free will.
"We did nothing to bring ourselves into existence."
But you say that random chance did.
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Why do you see that NASA
hasn't even found a microbe on any planet or moon? Because it takes
God to produce life, not brainless macroevolution.
Nobody is saying evolution produced life.
Then how did it come to be?
Nobody knows.
On the contrary, you believe that mindless evolution created all
things.
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It would take someone pretty smart because of the complexities of DNA,
would it not?
It would take pure evil to create us faulty and put us in a world
where life feed off life and only the strongest survive.
That is not what God had in store for humans. When God is ready, he
will correct all of Adam's errors.
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If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me questions.
Define "the truth."
"that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+truth&sa=Google+Search
Define "fact."
"noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+fact&sa=Google+Search
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Define "reality."
"noun
noun: reality
1.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as
opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them"
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Define truth the way you use it.
Truth. The words and ideas recorded in the Bible.
What word to you use to talk about actual truth?
Truth is truth. I don't use another word that I am aware of.

And here is a question for you. Where did the platypus come from?

James
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
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If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The next passage contradicts that.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
There is no contradiction. Verse 4 is talking about God. Vs 5 is
"They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his
children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted
generation!"
Notice "the defect is their own." Not God's.
God's work is obviously not perfect.
Not according to Deut 32:4.
Deut 32:5 shows God's work is not perfect.
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-- King James
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect:...
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
Yes, they are corrupted by themselves.
"5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation."
is NOT perfect work.
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But you might ask, "If God's creation are perfect, how can vs 5 humans
have defects?
Its the 'free will' given to them. Instead of making them robots that
MUST act a certain way, they can make choices. So they made wrong
choices and thus made their own defects.
There are people who only ever choose good. They have free will
so your claim is false.
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God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
That's the sort of thing the gangsters of New York would say to
business owners. We call that a protection racket.
God did very bad in creating us that way.
Sorry, but that's no comparison. Gangsters have an average IQ, cannot
feed ALL starving people, cannot remove suffering and sickness, cannot
eliminate death. Thus they can't even save themselves from those
defects.
Jesus on the other hand has an IQ in probably 6 digits or more. Can
fulfill all those things the gangsters (or anyone) can't do.
That makes it worse since Jesus does none of those things.
Jesus fed thousands who were listening to him. Jesus cured all kinds
of diseases people were suffering from. Jesus raised people from the
dead, even one that was rotting in his tomb and smelled terrible.
(Lazarus)
Jesus does not feed ALL starving people, does not remove suffering
and sickness, and does not eliminate death.
That and this is not yet the time to do such things. See Rev 21:3,4.
Hitler promised a 1000 year Reich.
Yes, and it lasted about 12 1/2 years.
How long was it before God put the tree in the garden?
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Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Jesus showed us he was a big tease.
Have you lost a loved-one in death? Jesus can 'tease' you by
resurrecting that person. Can you eliminate all suffering? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Can you eliminate all starvation? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Etc, etc.
Yes, that 'tease' will eliminate ALL problems of humans, having been
one himself.
Believing Jesus can correct God's errors must make things far worse
for you. You must think God and Jesus are laughing at you.
Be careful. Your imagination can get you into real trouble.
In what way?
By denying you everlasting life.
How could my imagination can get me into real trouble?
By making up lies about God.
You mean pointing out God's deficiencies?
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What will you say to God on judgment day?
That will depend on what God allows me to say.
Please give me a detailed description of the judgment day process.
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Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Do you follow divine command theory?
I sure hope so. And it is no 'theory', but factual. Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
So everything is good?
Look at the Scripture again. Does it say everything is good? Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
Divine command theory says everything God does and says is good.
Everything is the result of God creating therefore you must believe
everything is good.
Negatrons! Negatrons!
Everything IS NOT a result of God creating.
Did you mean not everything is the result of God creating?
Correct. God did not create a Hitler. God had nothing to do with the
creation of the Playboy magazine, etc, etc.
Sorry.
Colossians 1:16
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth,
visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers
or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

There's that selfish gene again.
"all things were created for him."
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The Ford Company is not responsible for every Ford wreck. Neither is
God responsible for wicked human ways.
How did us mammals get our nature? Why do we share our selfish
gene with other mammals?
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But God is permitting
things going on as they are, to prove the accusations against God are
false.
That doesn't explain why God created a world where life feeds off
life and only the strongest survive.
Look in Genesis. God originally gave ALL animals (and humans) a
vegetarian diet. What they do now is NOT God's desire. But soon God's
-- Revised Standard
Isaiah 55:11 so shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth; it
shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I
purpose, and prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
Why did God purpose a world where life feeds off life and only the
strongest survive?
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Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Digital doesn't have copying errors.
True, and I never said it does.
But God's method does.
You haven't seen God's method yet.
You told me about it. You said copying errors are the reason our
genes are messed up.
Correct. When Adam sinned he became IMPERFECT. And with genetics,
things went from bad to worse.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
I am amazed at how we face life now.We are so far from Adam, that I
believe we should all be dead by now.
God needs us to play his cruel games with.
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When you do you will be amazed.
(like the unforgettable universe and how everything allegedly formed
from the solarsystem, yet how different they all are.
Sounds like you are listening to the wrong people.
NASA?
What does NASA say about the firmament?
Let's try a better Bible translation.
"Then God said: “Let there be an expanse between the waters, and let
there be a division between the waters and the waters.” 7 Then God
went on to make the expanse and divided the waters beneath the expanse
from the waters above the expanse. And it was so. 8 God called the
expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second
day."
NASA should agree that we have a separation of the waters above (in
the clouds) and the waters in the seas. That separation is our
atmosphere. And the atmosphere above the clouds to the heavens.
NASA has to time it's space rocket launches when God opens the
windows in the firmament to allow the rain.

Heaven was on the top of the firmament until we developed
telescopes. Then God had to move to another dimension.

Benjamin Franklin successfully defied God with his lightning rod.
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What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Divine command theory?
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Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth.
You did not answer my questions.
I answer them, but you don't like my answers. That's up to you.
You do not answer the questions I ask.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
Your premise is again wrong. Thus your question is tainted. God didn't
CREATE such a world.
Genesis says you are wrong.
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
And I suppose you would say that the Ford Motor Company is responsible
for all wrecked Fords.
Where is that in the bible?
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I asked you why God created things the way they are.
And you are getting your times mixed up. IN THE BEGINNING, God created
everything perfect. What things are now, are the result of 'the
defects are their own'. (Deut 32:5) I have told you this a 1000 times,
but you apparently have a mental block to it. Satan must have a good
hold on you.
I still don't know what sort of God creates a world where life feeds
off life and only the strongest survive.
Not true. Today weak ones also survive.
We hatched some chicks from eggs. Some were strong and some were frail
to start out, but all lived just fine. Your evolution theory is not
working.
I don't know much about evolution theory but I do know evolution
is the reason for the diversity of life.
How?
The evidence is overwhealming.
They make the evidence what they want. For example, they say birds
came from dinosaurs. They found what they call a dinosaur with
feathers. Then a 100W bulb turned on in their brain. Birds have
feathers, thus they evolved from feathered dinosaurs. AND PEOPLE GET
PAID TO TEACH SUCH NONSENSE.
Will JWs refuse the Covid 19 vaccine because it was created with
knowledge of evolution?
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Yes, the evidence is overwhelming that most people believe in
macroevolution.
Those people are foolish. Evolution is a proven fact.
No belief required.
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As for life feeding off life, for animals and insects, today that is
true. But humans usually feed off previous life.
Why did God create the world that way?
See above about this same issue.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off
life and only the strongest survive.
I already showed you with the baby chicks, how weak ones also survive.
By us defying God.
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You keep telling me where God went wrong but not why.
God never goes wrong, so there is no "why".
Why did God use the Noah genocide to "correct" problems?
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But none of this is God's will.
It that even possible?
Isaiah 55:11 says you are wrong.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it
shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I
please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Nothing in that verse says God created things as they are today.
Isaiah 55:11 says God always has what he wills.
Correct. But it doesn't say it happens instantly. In time, all of
God's will is done.
Why does God will a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
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God made all higher life forms live
off of vegetation, including man. (see early Genesis)
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
I don't know why you can't acknowledge that I answered you, and move
on.
You told me where God went wrong but not why.
God never goes wrong, so there is no "why".
The only other possibility is that God is malicious.
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You say God is not the creator.
Another one of you mental blocks.
Not the creator of this world.
- Revised Standard
2 Corinthians 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the
minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the
gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Correct.
I'm glad you now see your error.
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Why did God create a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
You keep asking the same questions.
I'd really like to know.
I don't think I can make it simpler for you to understand. You have a
mental block on this.
You tell me where God went wrong but not why.
God never goes wrong, so there is no "why".
Is it safe for you to say God is malicious?
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And I answer them with the truth.
But apparently you do not like the truth. You want things to 'tickle
your ears'. In other words only what you want to hear. That is not
being very scientific.
I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off life
and only the strongest survive.
God didn't.
Incorrect.
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Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
again correct.
How many times must I correct you?
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See above. Any new questions?77
Why is there so much evidence for evolution and none for God?
Because you have been brainwashed into believing evolution, from early
school through Collage.
Why do all scientists including Christian accept and make use of the
knowledge of our origins?

You will never advance if you don't understand where our problems
come from.
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With great power comes great responsibility.
With all power comes all responsibility.
Then all accidents by Ford cars, is the responsibility of the Ford
Motor Company. Right?
No, of course not. They are the responsibility of the One Who
designed physics and humans and Who refuses to use His powers
for good. I told you that before.
Until the false accusations against God are fulfilled, there will
continue to be defects from Adam. Considering how far the defects have
come from Adam's creation, I am amazed we are still alive.
You keep telling me where God is going wrong but not why.
You keep lying. Why?
Give me an example of where I lied.
--You keep telling me where God is going wrong but not why.
--The evidence is overwhelming.
--I still don't know why God created a world where life feeds off
life and only the strongest survive.
Please give me an example of where I lied.
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You might not like the way God does things, that is because he is a
zillion % smarter than you. This is God's universe and reality. We did
nothing to bring ourselves into existence.
Then we are not responsible for how we think and act and God will
not judge us.
-- New King James
Acts 17:31 "because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the
world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given
assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.''
We are 100% responsible because we have free will.
"We did nothing to bring ourselves into existence."
But you say that random chance did.
Show me where I said that.

"We did nothing to bring ourselves into existence."
Therefore we are not responsible for how we think and act.
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Why do you see that NASA
hasn't even found a microbe on any planet or moon? Because it takes
God to produce life, not brainless macroevolution.
Nobody is saying evolution produced life.
Then how did it come to be?
Nobody knows.
On the contrary, you believe that mindless evolution created all
things.
Is that what your slave masters tell you?

Nobody knows how life came to be.
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It would take someone pretty smart because of the complexities of DNA,
would it not?
It would take pure evil to create us faulty and put us in a world
where life feed off life and only the strongest survive.
That is not what God had in store for humans.
You think God went mad in the eternity before he created.
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When God is ready, he will correct all of Adam's errors.
You said before there are no errors for God to correct.
Then you told me God corrected his errors in the Noah genocide.
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If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me questions.
Define "the truth."
"that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+truth&sa=Google+Search
Define "fact."
"noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+fact&sa=Google+Search
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Define "reality."
"noun
noun: reality
1.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as
opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them"
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+reality&sa=Google+Search
Define truth the way you use it.
Truth. The words and ideas recorded in the Bible.
What word to you use to talk about actual truth?
Truth is truth. I don't use another word that I am aware of.
We need to find a different word.
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And here is a question for you. Where did the platypus come from?
It's mother?
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
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If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
The next passage contradicts that.
5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his
children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
There is no contradiction. Verse 4 is talking about God. Vs 5 is
"They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his
children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted
generation!"
Notice "the defect is their own." Not God's.
God's work is obviously not perfect.
Not according to Deut 32:4.
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But you might ask, "If God's creation are perfect, how can vs 5 humans
have defects?
Its the 'free will' given to them. Instead of making them robots that
MUST act a certain way, they can make choices. So they made wrong
choices and thus made their own defects.
There are people who only ever choose good. They have free will
so your claim is false.
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God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
That's the sort of thing the gangsters of New York would say to
business owners. We call that a protection racket.
God did very bad in creating us that way.
Sorry, but that's no comparison. Gangsters have an average IQ, cannot
feed ALL starving people, cannot remove suffering and sickness, cannot
eliminate death. Thus they can't even save themselves from those
defects.
Jesus on the other hand has an IQ in probably 6 digits or more. Can
fulfill all those things the gangsters (or anyone) can't do.
That makes it worse since Jesus does none of those things.
Jesus fed thousands who were listening to him.
And ludicrously, Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson confused the
"feeding of the five thousand" with the "feeding of the four thousand".
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Jesus cured all kinds
of diseases people were suffering from. Jesus raised people from the
dead, even one that was rotting in his tomb and smelled terrible.
(Lazarus)
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Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Jesus showed us he was a big tease.
Have you lost a loved-one in death? Jesus can 'tease' you by
resurrecting that person. Can you eliminate all suffering? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Can you eliminate all starvation? Jesus can
'tease' you by doing so. Etc, etc.
Yes, that 'tease' will eliminate ALL problems of humans, having been
one himself.
Believing Jesus can correct God's errors must make things far worse
for you. You must think God and Jesus are laughing at you.
Be careful. Your imagination can get you into real trouble.
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Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Do you follow divine command theory?
I sure hope so. And it is no 'theory', but factual. Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
So everything is good?
Look at the Scripture again. Does it say everything is good? Ec 12:13,
"The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear
the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole
obligation of man."
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Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Digital doesn't have copying errors.
True, and I never said it does.
But God's method does.
You haven't seen God's method yet. When you do you will be amazed.
(like the unforgettable universe and how everything allegedly formed
from the solarsystem, yet how different they all are.
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What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Divine command theory?
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Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
As for covering up incidents, if some do cover over legitimate cases,
they should be punished and be removed from any position of authority,
for God would require that from His servants.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
So much for you always answering questions.
On the contrary, you didn't hear an answer that you liked, but I told
you the truth.
You did not answer my questions.
I answer them, but you don't like my answers. That's up to you.
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I asked you why God created things the way they are.
And you are getting your times mixed up. IN THE BEGINNING, God created
everything perfect. What things are now, are the result of 'the
defects are their own'. (Deut 32:5) I have told you this a 1000 times,
but you apparently have a mental block to it. Satan must have a good
hold on you.
I still don't know what sort of God creates a world where life feeds
off life and only the strongest survive.
Not true. Today weak ones also survive.
We hatched some chicks from eggs. Some were strong and some were frail
to start out, but all lived just fine. Your evolution theory is not
working.
As for life feeding off life, for animals and insects, today that is
true. But humans usually feed off previous life.
But none of this is God's will. God made all higher life forms live
off of vegetation, including man. (see early Genesis)
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You say God is not the creator.
Another one of you mental blocks.
Why did God create a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
You keep asking the same questions. And I answer them with the truth.
But apparently you do not like the truth. You want things to 'tickle
your ears'. In other words only what you want to hear. That is not
being very scientific.
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With great power comes great responsibility.
With all power comes all responsibility.
Then all accidents by Ford cars, is the responsibility of the Ford
Motor Company. Right?
No, of course not. They are the responsibility of the One Who
designed physics and humans and Who refuses to use His powers
for good. I told you that before.
Until the false accusations against God are fulfilled, there will
continue to be defects from Adam. Considering how far the defects have
come from Adam's creation, I am amazed we are still alive.
You might not like the way God does things, that is because he is a
zillion % smarter than you. This is God's universe and reality. We did
nothing to bring ourselves into existence. Why do you see that NASA
hasn't even found a microbe on any planet or moon? Because it takes
God to produce life, not brainless macroevolution.
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If you don't like to hear the truth, quit asking me questions.
Define "the truth."
"that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+truth&sa=Google+Search
Define "fact."
"noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts
a thing that is known or proved to be true."
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+fact&sa=Google+Search
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Define "reality."
"noun
noun: reality
1.
the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as
opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them"
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+reality&sa=Google+Search
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
You are wilful slaves of eight old men in New York who claim to be
providing "spiritual food" from Jesus and Jehovah, but at the same time
admit that they are not divinely inspired.

"We are all just roving about" - Gerrit Losch - Governing Body member
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If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
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God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
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Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Then why does the Bible say that God repented? (e.g. in Amos)
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
You set the bar very low, don't you? "God's organisation" is OK as long
as it does not have a worse child abuse record than the Roman Catholics,
are not more ostentatiously greedy than the "Prosperity Gospel"
preachers, and doesn't make major changes in doctrine more than once or
twice a year.
--
John Ritson
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-19 12:01:57 UTC
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Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:25:12 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
You are wilful slaves of eight old men in New York who claim to be
providing "spiritual food" from Jesus and Jehovah, but at the same time
admit that they are not divinely inspired.
We are slaves of Jesus and God, not men. Yes, we listen to spiritually
qualified men from any place, but are not their slaves. We reason on
God's word, the Holy Bible, just as the apostle Paul did, who set the
example for us at Acts 17:2,3.
Post by John Ritson
"We are all just roving about" - Gerrit Losch - Governing Body member
"rove

travel constantly without a fixed destination; wander."
(Google definitions)

So what is your point?
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Then why does the Bible say that God repented? (e.g. in Amos)
Gen 6:6,

"So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the
surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping
animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have
made them".

This proves that God does not always look into the future. Sometimes
He let's things take their normal course, then responds to them. He
was saddened by the path the wicked humans took. He does not like
destroying anyone.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
You set the bar very low, don't you? "God's organisation" is OK as long
as it does not have a worse child abuse record than the Roman Catholics,
It is NEVER ok with child abuse. But any organization with millions of
members is going to have such ones. (example a handful of murdereers,
thieves, liars, adulters, etc, just like they had in the first
century)
Post by John Ritson
are not more ostentatiously greedy than the "Prosperity Gospel"
preachers, and doesn't make major changes in doctrine more than once or
twice a year.
Upgrading oneself is supposed to occur continually with the true
religion. Prov 4:18,

"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That
grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."

We are near "full daylight" now.

James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
John Ritson
2021-02-19 19:23:29 UTC
Reply
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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 11:07:39 +0000, John Ritson
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:25:12 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
You are wilful slaves of eight old men in New York who claim to be
providing "spiritual food" from Jesus and Jehovah, but at the same time
admit that they are not divinely inspired.
We are slaves of Jesus and God, not men. Yes, we listen to spiritually
qualified men from any place, but are not their slaves. We reason on
God's word, the Holy Bible, just as the apostle Paul did, who set the
example for us at Acts 17:2,3.
Post by John Ritson
"We are all just roving about" - Gerrit Losch - Governing Body member
"rove
travel constantly without a fixed destination; wander."
(Google definitions)
So what is your point?
You are just confirming that the Governing Body is just making up stuff
as they go along, no divine guidance - "without a fixed direction".

So people who follow the "faithful and discreet slave" i.e. the
Governing Body are just slaves of the Governing Body, who claim, without
any evidence, to be the "faithful and discreet slave"
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Then why does the Bible say that God repented? (e.g. in Amos)
Gen 6:6,
"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart."

So "God did nothing wrong" is wrong according to the Bible.


And this Jehovah character must be about the most incompetent deity that
humans have ever dreamed up.
Post by z***@windstream.net
"So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the
surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping
animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have
made them".
This proves that God does not always look into the future. Sometimes
He let's things take their normal course, then responds to them. He
was saddened by the path the wicked humans took. He does not like
destroying anyone.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
You set the bar very low, don't you? "God's organisation" is OK as long
as it does not have a worse child abuse record than the Roman Catholics,
It is NEVER ok with child abuse. But any organization with millions of
members is going to have such ones. (example a handful of murdereers,
thieves, liars, adulters, etc, just like they had in the first
century)
Post by John Ritson
are not more ostentatiously greedy than the "Prosperity Gospel"
preachers, and doesn't make major changes in doctrine more than once or
twice a year.
Upgrading oneself is supposed to occur continually with the true
religion. Prov 4:18,
But often "new light" is just what was rejected as "old light" a few
years ago.

And claiming that the end of the world was coming in 1914, 1925, 1975
... is hardly a great example of "Upgrading oneself".
Post by z***@windstream.net
"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That
grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."
We are near "full daylight" now.
No, the Governing Body is still making up stuff as it goes along. In
some cases it has had three different "new lights" on the same
theological question within a few years, ending back where they started.
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
--
John Ritson
z***@windstream.net
2021-02-20 15:23:40 UTC
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On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 19:23:29 +0000, John Ritson
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 11:07:39 +0000, John Ritson
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:25:12 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
You are wilful slaves of eight old men in New York who claim to be
providing "spiritual food" from Jesus and Jehovah, but at the same time
admit that they are not divinely inspired.
We are slaves of Jesus and God, not men. Yes, we listen to spiritually
qualified men from any place, but are not their slaves. We reason on
God's word, the Holy Bible, just as the apostle Paul did, who set the
example for us at Acts 17:2,3.
Post by John Ritson
"We are all just roving about" - Gerrit Losch - Governing Body member
"rove
travel constantly without a fixed destination; wander."
(Google definitions)
So what is your point?
You are just confirming that the Governing Body is just making up stuff
as they go along, no divine guidance - "without a fixed direction".
On the contrary, things have been happening that have been almost
miraculous. For example, in countries where the Watchtower magazine
is banned, police came into a JW home. This home is one where they
distributed Watchtowers underground, so there was quite a stack.

The police came in and DIDN'T EVEN SEE the magazines that were right
out in the open for anyone to see. Now you call it what you may, but I
believe God is behind the JW organization.
Post by John Ritson
So people who follow the "faithful and discreet slave" i.e. the
Governing Body are just slaves of the Governing Body, who claim, without
any evidence, to be the "faithful and discreet slave"
Those are the ones going to Heaven. There is a Bible Scripture which
says that their spirit agrees with God's Spirit that they are Heavenly
bound. It is not the kind of thing where there is physical evidence.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Then why does the Bible say that God repented? (e.g. in Amos)
Gen 6:6,
"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart."
So "God did nothing wrong" is wrong according to the Bible.
Negatrons. First of all, get a better translation.

-- New King James
Genesis 6:6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth,
and He was grieved in His heart.

He was not sorry He created Adam and Eve, but was sorry for their
offspring, who were born imperfect and constantly sinned against God.
He was sorry so many had to be destroyed, except Noah and his family.
Post by John Ritson
And this Jehovah character must be about the most incompetent deity that
humans have ever dreamed up.
Who divided the red sea so that the Israelites could walk through? Who
resurrected Lazarus and others? Who created an orderly universe? Who
was the only one that could create life?

No human dreamed up God, but God dreamed up humans.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
"So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the
surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping
animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have
made them".
This proves that God does not always look into the future. Sometimes
He let's things take their normal course, then responds to them. He
was saddened by the path the wicked humans took. He does not like
destroying anyone.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
You set the bar very low, don't you? "God's organisation" is OK as long
as it does not have a worse child abuse record than the Roman Catholics,
It is NEVER ok with child abuse. But any organization with millions of
members is going to have such ones. (example a handful of murdereers,
thieves, liars, adulters, etc, just like they had in the first
century)
Post by John Ritson
are not more ostentatiously greedy than the "Prosperity Gospel"
preachers, and doesn't make major changes in doctrine more than once or
twice a year.
Upgrading oneself is supposed to occur continually with the true
religion. Prov 4:18,
But often "new light" is just what was rejected as "old light" a few
years ago.
Whatever you want to call it, the true religion is continually
upgrading. (Pr 4:18)
Post by John Ritson
And claiming that the end of the world was coming in 1914, 1925, 1975
... is hardly a great example of "Upgrading oneself".
On the contrary, what do they say today? They give no date, but say
according to the Bible we are in the 'last days'. The end will come
when the JW's complete Mt 24:14. (the Watchtower magazine on the cover
says, "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM")

So the good news of God's kingdom is being preached world-wide.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That
grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."
We are near "full daylight" now.
No, the Governing Body is still making up stuff as it goes along. In
some cases it has had three different "new lights" on the same
theological question within a few years, ending back where they started.
See above where we are just about at the full daylight now.

James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
John Ritson
2021-02-20 18:19:13 UTC
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Post by z***@windstream.net
On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 19:23:29 +0000, John Ritson
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 11:07:39 +0000, John Ritson
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:25:12 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
You are wilful slaves of eight old men in New York who claim to be
providing "spiritual food" from Jesus and Jehovah, but at the same time
admit that they are not divinely inspired.
We are slaves of Jesus and God, not men. Yes, we listen to spiritually
qualified men from any place, but are not their slaves. We reason on
God's word, the Holy Bible, just as the apostle Paul did, who set the
example for us at Acts 17:2,3.
Post by John Ritson
"We are all just roving about" - Gerrit Losch - Governing Body member
"rove
travel constantly without a fixed destination; wander."
(Google definitions)
So what is your point?
You are just confirming that the Governing Body is just making up stuff
as they go along, no divine guidance - "without a fixed direction".
On the contrary, things have been happening that have been almost
miraculous. For example, in countries where the Watchtower magazine
is banned, police came into a JW home. This home is one where they
distributed Watchtowers underground, so there was quite a stack.
The police came in and DIDN'T EVEN SEE the magazines that were right
out in the open for anyone to see. Now you call it what you may, but I
believe God is behind the JW organization.
If this story is anything more than a "pious fiction" invented to keep
up morale (and it might be more convincing if the 'countries' were named
- 'a home' and multiple countries?), then it raises the question of the
high level of Covid deaths among JWs. Does Jehovah regard hiding
magazines as a higher priority than his follower's lives?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by John Ritson
So people who follow the "faithful and discreet slave" i.e. the
Governing Body are just slaves of the Governing Body, who claim, without
any evidence, to be the "faithful and discreet slave"
Those are the ones going to Heaven. There is a Bible Scripture which
says that their spirit agrees with God's Spirit that they are Heavenly
bound. It is not the kind of thing where there is physical evidence.
That's very convenient for the Governing Body, getting to claim to have
been selected by Jesus without ever having to produce evidence.

Why would Jesus select someone like David "We sort of had our
explanation backwards" - Splaine
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Then why does the Bible say that God repented? (e.g. in Amos)
Gen 6:6,
"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart."
So "God did nothing wrong" is wrong according to the Bible.
Negatrons. First of all, get a better translation.
Like the JW "translation", produced without scholars of Hebrew or Greek?
Post by z***@windstream.net
-- New King James
Genesis 6:6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth,
and He was grieved in His heart.
He was not sorry He created Adam and Eve, but was sorry for their
offspring, who were born imperfect and constantly sinned against God.
He was sorry so many had to be destroyed, except Noah and his family.
Post by John Ritson
And this Jehovah character must be about the most incompetent deity that
humans have ever dreamed up.
Who divided the red sea so that the Israelites could walk through?
Israeli archaeologists found no evidence for the Exodus.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Who
resurrected Lazarus and others?
A lot of religions have resurrection fables. Are they all correct?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Who created an orderly universe?
With earthquakes, meteorites and volcanic eruptions?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Who
was the only one that could create life?
Including lethal diseases?
Post by z***@windstream.net
No human dreamed up God, but God dreamed up humans.
And then slaughtered most of them in the supposed Flood?

And is supposedly planning to slaughter even more at Armageddon?
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
"So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the
surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping
animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have
made them".
This proves that God does not always look into the future. Sometimes
He let's things take their normal course, then responds to them. He
was saddened by the path the wicked humans took. He does not like
destroying anyone.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
You set the bar very low, don't you? "God's organisation" is OK as long
as it does not have a worse child abuse record than the Roman Catholics,
It is NEVER ok with child abuse. But any organization with millions of
members is going to have such ones. (example a handful of murdereers,
thieves, liars, adulters, etc, just like they had in the first
century)
Post by John Ritson
are not more ostentatiously greedy than the "Prosperity Gospel"
preachers, and doesn't make major changes in doctrine more than once or
twice a year.
Upgrading oneself is supposed to occur continually with the true
religion. Prov 4:18,
But often "new light" is just what was rejected as "old light" a few
years ago.
Whatever you want to call it, the true religion is continually
upgrading. (Pr 4:18)
Post by John Ritson
And claiming that the end of the world was coming in 1914, 1925, 1975
... is hardly a great example of "Upgrading oneself".
On the contrary, what do they say today? They give no date, but say
according to the Bible we are in the 'last days'. The end will come
when the JW's complete Mt 24:14. (the Watchtower magazine on the cover
says, "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM")
Will this be another virtual Kingdom, such as the one proclaimed in
1914?

Remember that the "overlapping generation" theory means that the
Governing Body have no deadline any more.
Post by z***@windstream.net
So the good news of God's kingdom is being preached world-wide.
And yet JW numbers world-wide are falling, according to their own data.
Post by z***@windstream.net
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Post by z***@windstream.net
"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That
grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."
We are near "full daylight" now.
No, the Governing Body is still making up stuff as it goes along. In
some cases it has had three different "new lights" on the same
theological question within a few years, ending back where they started.
See above where we are just about at the full daylight now.
"District Overseer Bart Thompson held up a Society publication that had
a green cover. He then said to the assembly of elders [in Alabama] "If
the Society told me that this book was black instead of green, I would
say 'Y'know. I could have sworn that it was green, but if the Society
says it's black, then it's black'"

"Crisis of Conscience" - former Governing Body Member Raymond Franz.
--
John Ritson
z***@windstream.net
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
You are wilful slaves of eight old men in New York who claim to be
providing "spiritual food" from Jesus and Jehovah, but at the same time
admit that they are not divinely inspired.
We are slaves of Jesus and God, not men. Yes, we listen to spiritually
qualified men from any place, but are not their slaves. We reason on
God's word, the Holy Bible, just as the apostle Paul did, who set the
example for us at Acts 17:2,3.
Post by John Ritson
"We are all just roving about" - Gerrit Losch - Governing Body member
"rove
travel constantly without a fixed destination; wander."
(Google definitions)
So what is your point?
You are just confirming that the Governing Body is just making up stuff
as they go along, no divine guidance - "without a fixed direction".
On the contrary, things have been happening that have been almost
miraculous. For example, in countries where the Watchtower magazine
is banned, police came into a JW home. This home is one where they
distributed Watchtowers underground, so there was quite a stack.
The police came in and DIDN'T EVEN SEE the magazines that were right
out in the open for anyone to see. Now you call it what you may, but I
believe God is behind the JW organization.
If this story is anything more than a "pious fiction" invented to keep
up morale (and it might be more convincing if the 'countries' were named
- 'a home' and multiple countries?), then it raises the question of the
high level of Covid deaths among JWs. Does Jehovah regard hiding
magazines as a higher priority than his follower's lives?
The story is true. The magazines were not hidden.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by John Ritson
So people who follow the "faithful and discreet slave" i.e. the
Governing Body are just slaves of the Governing Body, who claim, without
any evidence, to be the "faithful and discreet slave"
Those are the ones going to Heaven. There is a Bible Scripture which
says that their spirit agrees with God's Spirit that they are Heavenly
bound. It is not the kind of thing where there is physical evidence.
That's very convenient for the Governing Body, getting to claim to have
been selected by Jesus without ever having to produce evidence.
That is what the Bible says. I don't believe you know more than the
Bible.
Post by John Ritson
Why would Jesus select someone like David "We sort of had our
explanation backwards" - Splaine
Where is your source proof that was said?
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Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Then why does the Bible say that God repented? (e.g. in Amos)
Gen 6:6,
"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart."
So "God did nothing wrong" is wrong according to the Bible.
Negatrons. First of all, get a better translation.
Like the JW "translation", produced without scholars of Hebrew or Greek?
Use your brain God gave you. The NWT has been praised for its accuracy
by Bible scholars. If the translation was done by half-wit idiots, why
all the praises? For example:


“I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world
wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous
translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I
can testify.”—Letter, December 8, 1950, from Edgar J. Goodspeed,
translator of the Greek “New Testament” in An American Translation."
(g87.3/22, p.14)

"Notice this about Doctor Goodspeed:

"Edgar Johnson Goodspeed (1871–1962) was an American theologian and
scholar of Greek and the New Testament. He taught for many years at
the University of Chicago, whose collection of New Testament
manuscripts he enriched by his searches. The University's collection
is now named in his honor.

He is widely remembered for his translations of the Bible: The New
Testament: an American Translation (1923), and (with John Merlin Powis
Smith) "The Bible, An American Translation" (1935), the "Goodspeed
Bible". He is also remembered for his translation of the Apocrypha,
and that translation was included in The Complete Bible, An American
Translation (1939). Finally, Harper & Brothers issued his widely
heralded The Apostolic Fathers: An American Translation (1950).

Edgar J. Goodspeed was born in Quincy, Illinois. He graduated from
Denison University in 1890 (where he also received a doctorate in
Divinity, 1928) and the University of Chicago (Ph.D. 1898)."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_J._Goodspeed)
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
-- New King James
Genesis 6:6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth,
and He was grieved in His heart.
He was not sorry He created Adam and Eve, but was sorry for their
offspring, who were born imperfect and constantly sinned against God.
He was sorry so many had to be destroyed, except Noah and his family.
Post by John Ritson
And this Jehovah character must be about the most incompetent deity that
humans have ever dreamed up.
Who divided the red sea so that the Israelites could walk through?
Israeli archaeologists found no evidence for the Exodus.
But in an archeology magazine it said the believed route is wrong. A
different route showed evidence of the exodus. I had the magazine but
can't find it right now. I will continue to look.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Who
resurrected Lazarus and others?
A lot of religions have resurrection fables. Are they all correct?
At the time it was written, there were a lot of witnesses to the
event. It would have been easy to show the writing was bogus.

Satan is the ruler of this world, and he is a notorious liar. Don't be
surprised to hear of resurrections in false religions.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Who created an orderly universe?
With earthquakes, meteorites and volcanic eruptions?
Why is the earth put into the exact spot to cause life to flourish?

Volcanic eruptions also create land and nutritious soils, so its not
all bad.

Meteorites rarely kill anyone. But they add to the knowledge of what
is out there. Scientists also think our water on earth came from
meteorites. (another wrong assumption but one you no doubt believe)
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Who
was the only one that could create life?
Including lethal diseases?
God created Adam in perfection with no diseases. When Adam sinned
against God, he became imperfect, and through genetics passed it on to
his offspring.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
No human dreamed up God, but God dreamed up humans.
And then slaughtered most of them in the supposed Flood?
And is supposedly planning to slaughter even more at Armageddon?
God is a moral God. Thus makes morals His top priorities. The
pre-deluge earth had people so wicked, that all they knew was
violence.

At Armageddon, many people are like the ones in the pre-deluge
situation.

You like to use the word "slaughter". If that is the case, then when
the State executes a murderer, you would have to say the State
SLAUGHTERED him. Now, does that sound right to you?
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Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
"So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the
surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping
animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have
made them".
This proves that God does not always look into the future. Sometimes
He let's things take their normal course, then responds to them. He
was saddened by the path the wicked humans took. He does not like
destroying anyone.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
You set the bar very low, don't you? "God's organisation" is OK as long
as it does not have a worse child abuse record than the Roman Catholics,
It is NEVER ok with child abuse. But any organization with millions of
members is going to have such ones. (example a handful of murdereers,
thieves, liars, adulters, etc, just like they had in the first
century)
Post by John Ritson
are not more ostentatiously greedy than the "Prosperity Gospel"
preachers, and doesn't make major changes in doctrine more than once or
twice a year.
Upgrading oneself is supposed to occur continually with the true
religion. Prov 4:18,
But often "new light" is just what was rejected as "old light" a few
years ago.
Whatever you want to call it, the true religion is continually
upgrading. (Pr 4:18)
Post by John Ritson
And claiming that the end of the world was coming in 1914, 1925, 1975
... is hardly a great example of "Upgrading oneself".
On the contrary, what do they say today? They give no date, but say
according to the Bible we are in the 'last days'. The end will come
when the JW's complete Mt 24:14. (the Watchtower magazine on the cover
says, "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM")
Will this be another virtual Kingdom, such as the one proclaimed in
1914?
What happened in 1914 fits the Bible's prophecy about the time of the
end. (see Matthew Chapter 24)
Post by John Ritson
Remember that the "overlapping generation" theory means that the
Governing Body have no deadline any more.
You seem to have a problem with the Governing Body. These are
spiritually qualified men to help Jesus guide the organization. The
Bible says they were picked by Holy Spirit. That is good enough for
me. But they still are imperfect humans, thus can commit wrongs.
occasionally.
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
So the good news of God's kingdom is being preached world-wide.
And yet JW numbers world-wide are falling, according to their own data.
Please show me your data source of the JW data.
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Post by z***@windstream.net
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Post by z***@windstream.net
"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That
grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."
We are near "full daylight" now.
No, the Governing Body is still making up stuff as it goes along. In
some cases it has had three different "new lights" on the same
theological question within a few years, ending back where they started.
See above where we are just about at the full daylight now.
"District Overseer Bart Thompson held up a Society publication that had
a green cover. He then said to the assembly of elders [in Alabama] "If
the Society told me that this book was black instead of green, I would
say 'Y'know. I could have sworn that it was green, but if the Society
says it's black, then it's black'"
Please show me source of that statement so that I can verify its
truthfulness or non-truthfulness.
Post by John Ritson
"Crisis of Conscience" - former Governing Body Member Raymond Franz
And in what JW literature do we find "Crisis of Conscience"?

James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
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On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:25:12 +1100, Lucifer
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On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:05:44 +1100, Lucifer
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Post by Ted
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 00:03:14 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
You are wilful slaves of eight old men in New York who claim to be
providing "spiritual food" from Jesus and Jehovah, but at the same time
admit that they are not divinely inspired.
We are slaves of Jesus and God, not men. Yes, we listen to spiritually
qualified men from any place, but are not their slaves. We reason on
God's word, the Holy Bible, just as the apostle Paul did, who set the
example for us at Acts 17:2,3.
Post by John Ritson
"We are all just roving about" - Gerrit Losch - Governing Body member
"rove
travel constantly without a fixed destination; wander."
(Google definitions)
So what is your point?
You are just confirming that the Governing Body is just making up stuff
as they go along, no divine guidance - "without a fixed direction".
On the contrary, things have been happening that have been almost
miraculous. For example, in countries where the Watchtower magazine
is banned, police came into a JW home. This home is one where they
distributed Watchtowers underground, so there was quite a stack.
The police came in and DIDN'T EVEN SEE the magazines that were right
out in the open for anyone to see. Now you call it what you may, but I
believe God is behind the JW organization.
If this story is anything more than a "pious fiction" invented to keep
up morale (and it might be more convincing if the 'countries' were named
- 'a home' and multiple countries?), then it raises the question of the
high level of Covid deaths among JWs. Does Jehovah regard hiding
magazines as a higher priority than his follower's lives?
The story is true. The magazines were not hidden.
And Jehovah apparently regards magazines as more important than the
lives of his followers.
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by John Ritson
So people who follow the "faithful and discreet slave" i.e. the
Governing Body are just slaves of the Governing Body, who claim, without
any evidence, to be the "faithful and discreet slave"
Those are the ones going to Heaven. There is a Bible Scripture which
says that their spirit agrees with God's Spirit that they are Heavenly
bound. It is not the kind of thing where there is physical evidence.
That's very convenient for the Governing Body, getting to claim to have
been selected by Jesus without ever having to produce evidence.
That is what the Bible says. I don't believe you know more than the
Bible.
Post by John Ritson
Why would Jesus select someone like David "We sort of had our
explanation backwards" - Splaine
Where is your source proof that was said?
JW Broadcasting
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Post by Ted
If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
Post by Lucifer
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by Lucifer
What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Then why does the Bible say that God repented? (e.g. in Amos)
Gen 6:6,
"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart."
So "God did nothing wrong" is wrong according to the Bible.
Negatrons. First of all, get a better translation.
Like the JW "translation", produced without scholars of Hebrew or Greek?
Use your brain God gave you. The NWT has been praised for its accuracy
by Bible scholars. If the translation was done by half-wit idiots, why
“I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world
wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous
translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I
can testify.”—Letter, December 8, 1950, from Edgar J. Goodspeed,
translator of the Greek “New Testament” in An American Translation."
(g87.3/22, p.14)
"Edgar Johnson Goodspeed (1871–1962) was an American theologian and
scholar of Greek and the New Testament. He taught for many years at
the University of Chicago, whose collection of New Testament
manuscripts he enriched by his searches. The University's collection
is now named in his honor.
He is widely remembered for his translations of the Bible: The New
Testament: an American Translation (1923), and (with John Merlin Powis
Smith) "The Bible, An American Translation" (1935), the "Goodspeed
Bible". He is also remembered for his translation of the Apocrypha,
and that translation was included in The Complete Bible, An American
Translation (1939). Finally, Harper & Brothers issued his widely
heralded The Apostolic Fathers: An American Translation (1950).
Edgar J. Goodspeed was born in Quincy, Illinois. He graduated from
Denison University in 1890 (where he also received a doctorate in
Divinity, 1928) and the University of Chicago (Ph.D. 1898)."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_J._Goodspeed)
And he was not the translator of the JW version. For a scholar to
describe a translation as "free, frank and vigorous" is called "damning
with faint praise".
Post by z***@windstream.net
Post by John Ritson
Post by z***@windstream.net
-- New King James
Genesis 6:6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth,
and He was grieved in His heart.
He was not sorry He created Adam and Eve, but was sorry for their
offspring, who were born imperfect and constantly sinned against God.
He was sorry so many had to be destroyed, except Noah and his family.
Post by John Ritson
And this Jehovah character must be about the most incompetent deity that
humans have ever dreamed up.
Who divided the red sea so that the Israelites could walk through?
Israeli archaeologists found no evidence for the Exodus.
But in an archeology magazine it said the believed route is wrong. A
different route showed evidence of the exodus. I had the magazine but
can't find it right now. I will continue to look.
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Who
resurrected Lazarus and others?
A lot of religions have resurrection fables. Are they all correct?
At the time it was written, there were a lot of witnesses to the
event. It would have been easy to show the writing was bogus.
Who exactly proved the resurrection of Osiris bogus?
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Satan is the ruler of this world, and he is a notorious liar. Don't be
surprised to hear of resurrections in false religions.
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Who created an orderly universe?
With earthquakes, meteorites and volcanic eruptions?
Why is the earth put into the exact spot to cause life to flourish?
Volcanic eruptions also create land and nutritious soils, so its not
all bad.
Meteorites rarely kill anyone. But they add to the knowledge of what
is out there. Scientists also think our water on earth came from
meteorites. (another wrong assumption but one you no doubt believe)
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Who
was the only one that could create life?
Including lethal diseases?
God created Adam in perfection with no diseases. When Adam sinned
against God, he became imperfect, and through genetics passed it on to
his offspring.
"through genetics"? Adam ate an apple because of a talking snake, and
that created cholera viruses?
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No human dreamed up God, but God dreamed up humans.
And then slaughtered most of them in the supposed Flood?
And is supposedly planning to slaughter even more at Armageddon?
God is a moral God. Thus makes morals His top priorities. The
pre-deluge earth had people so wicked, that all they knew was
violence.
At Armageddon, many people
not "many people". According to the Governing Body, everyone who is not
an active Jehovah's Witness will be slaughtered. Currently the teaching
is that the judging is going on now, which was also Rutherford's
doctrine, but in the last two decades, the Governing Body has said that
the judging would take place during Armageddon, and at another stage
that the judging would follow Armageddon. That's "new light" for you.
Just wait a year or two and a new "new light" will come along.
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are like the ones in the pre-deluge
situation.
So this deity has twice allowed his creation to be so messed-up that the
only solution is genocide?
And you worship this self-admitted monster?
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You like to use the word "slaughter". If that is the case, then when
the State executes a murderer, you would have to say the State
SLAUGHTERED him. Now, does that sound right to you?
It certainly sounds right to the Bible.

Isaiah 65:12 " Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall
all bow down to the slaughter: "
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"So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the
surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping
animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have
made them".
This proves that God does not always look into the future. Sometimes
He let's things take their normal course, then responds to them. He
was saddened by the path the wicked humans took. He does not like
destroying anyone.
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Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
You set the bar very low, don't you? "God's organisation" is OK as long
as it does not have a worse child abuse record than the Roman Catholics,
It is NEVER ok with child abuse. But any organization with millions of
members is going to have such ones. (example a handful of murdereers,
thieves, liars, adulters, etc, just like they had in the first
century)
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are not more ostentatiously greedy than the "Prosperity Gospel"
preachers, and doesn't make major changes in doctrine more than once or
twice a year.
Upgrading oneself is supposed to occur continually with the true
religion. Prov 4:18,
But often "new light" is just what was rejected as "old light" a few
years ago.
Whatever you want to call it, the true religion is continually
upgrading. (Pr 4:18)
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And claiming that the end of the world was coming in 1914, 1925, 1975
... is hardly a great example of "Upgrading oneself".
On the contrary, what do they say today? They give no date, but say
according to the Bible we are in the 'last days'. The end will come
when the JW's complete Mt 24:14. (the Watchtower magazine on the cover
says, "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM")
Will this be another virtual Kingdom, such as the one proclaimed in
1914?
What happened in 1914 fits the Bible's prophecy about the time of the
end. (see Matthew Chapter 24)
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Remember that the "overlapping generation" theory means that the
Governing Body have no deadline any more.
You seem to have a problem with the Governing Body. These are
spiritually qualified men to help Jesus guide the organization
Who qualified these jackasses like Geoffrey Jackson and David Splaine,
who can't even read their own Bible correctly?

They claim to be "spiritually qualified" and that is all you need.
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. The
Bible says they were picked by Holy Spirit.
The Bible says the Governing Body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract
Society were picked by Holy Spirit? Even you can't believe that!

The Bible may say that the Disciples, or the Apostles, or the elders
were picked by the Holy Spirit about two thousand years ago, But who
says that the present Governing Body were so picked? The self-same eight
old men in New York.

And you take them at their word, which changes every few years.
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That is good enough for
me. But they still are imperfect humans, thus can commit wrongs.
occasionally.
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So the good news of God's kingdom is being preached world-wide.
And yet JW numbers world-wide are falling, according to their own data.
Please show me your data source of the JW data.
"The Increase We Get From 2019 to 2020: -0.6"
JW.org 2020 Service Report
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"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That
grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."
We are near "full daylight" now.
No, the Governing Body is still making up stuff as it goes along. In
some cases it has had three different "new lights" on the same
theological question within a few years, ending back where they started.
See above where we are just about at the full daylight now.
You can keep saying that, while the Governing Body continue to tie
themselves in knots and numbers fall.
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"District Overseer Bart Thompson held up a Society publication that had
a green cover. He then said to the assembly of elders [in Alabama] "If
the Society told me that this book was black instead of green, I would
say 'Y'know. I could have sworn that it was green, but if the Society
says it's black, then it's black'"
Please show me source of that statement so that I can verify its
truthfulness or non-truthfulness.
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"Crisis of Conscience" - former Governing Body Member Raymond Franz
And in what JW literature do we find "Crisis of Conscience"?
So you only accept JW literature as truth, not the writings of a long-
serving member (1971-1980) of the Governing Body? Surely Raymond Franz
was "picked by the Holy Spirit"?
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
You are wilful slaves of eight old men in New York who claim to be
providing "spiritual food" from Jesus and Jehovah, but at the same time
admit that they are not divinely inspired.
We are slaves of Jesus and God, not men. Yes, we listen to spiritually
qualified men from any place, but are not their slaves. We reason on
God's word, the Holy Bible, just as the apostle Paul did, who set the
example for us at Acts 17:2,3.
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"We are all just roving about" - Gerrit Losch - Governing Body member
"rove
travel constantly without a fixed destination; wander."
(Google definitions)
So what is your point?
You are just confirming that the Governing Body is just making up stuff
as they go along, no divine guidance - "without a fixed direction".
On the contrary, things have been happening that have been almost
miraculous. For example, in countries where the Watchtower magazine
is banned, police came into a JW home. This home is one where they
distributed Watchtowers underground, so there was quite a stack.
The police came in and DIDN'T EVEN SEE the magazines that were right
out in the open for anyone to see. Now you call it what you may, but I
believe God is behind the JW organization.
If this story is anything more than a "pious fiction" invented to keep
up morale (and it might be more convincing if the 'countries' were named
- 'a home' and multiple countries?), then it raises the question of the
high level of Covid deaths among JWs. Does Jehovah regard hiding
magazines as a higher priority than his follower's lives?
The story is true. The magazines were not hidden.
And Jehovah apparently regards magazines as more important than the
lives of his followers.
Actually, God puts His kingdom above all other things. And the cover
page of the Watchtowers says "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM"
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So people who follow the "faithful and discreet slave" i.e. the
Governing Body are just slaves of the Governing Body, who claim, without
any evidence, to be the "faithful and discreet slave"
Those are the ones going to Heaven. There is a Bible Scripture which
says that their spirit agrees with God's Spirit that they are Heavenly
bound. It is not the kind of thing where there is physical evidence.
That's very convenient for the Governing Body, getting to claim to have
been selected by Jesus without ever having to produce evidence.
That is what the Bible says. I don't believe you know more than the
Bible.
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Why would Jesus select someone like David "We sort of had our
explanation backwards" - Splaine
Where is your source proof that was said?
JW Broadcasting
I don't know the setting or the context. What explanation did he say
was backwords?
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If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
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God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
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Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
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Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
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What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Then why does the Bible say that God repented? (e.g. in Amos)
Gen 6:6,
"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart."
So "God did nothing wrong" is wrong according to the Bible.
Negatrons. First of all, get a better translation.
Like the JW "translation", produced without scholars of Hebrew or Greek?
Use your brain God gave you. The NWT has been praised for its accuracy
by Bible scholars. If the translation was done by half-wit idiots, why
“I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world
wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous
translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I
can testify.”—Letter, December 8, 1950, from Edgar J. Goodspeed,
translator of the Greek “New Testament” in An American Translation."
(g87.3/22, p.14)
"Edgar Johnson Goodspeed (1871–1962) was an American theologian and
scholar of Greek and the New Testament. He taught for many years at
the University of Chicago, whose collection of New Testament
manuscripts he enriched by his searches. The University's collection
is now named in his honor.
He is widely remembered for his translations of the Bible: The New
Testament: an American Translation (1923), and (with John Merlin Powis
Smith) "The Bible, An American Translation" (1935), the "Goodspeed
Bible". He is also remembered for his translation of the Apocrypha,
and that translation was included in The Complete Bible, An American
Translation (1939). Finally, Harper & Brothers issued his widely
heralded The Apostolic Fathers: An American Translation (1950).
Edgar J. Goodspeed was born in Quincy, Illinois. He graduated from
Denison University in 1890 (where he also received a doctorate in
Divinity, 1928) and the University of Chicago (Ph.D. 1898)."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_J._Goodspeed)
And he was not the translator of the JW version. For a scholar to
describe a translation as "free, frank and vigorous" is called "damning
with faint praise".
On the contrary, he was complementing the scholarship of the
translation.
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-- New King James
Genesis 6:6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth,
and He was grieved in His heart.
He was not sorry He created Adam and Eve, but was sorry for their
offspring, who were born imperfect and constantly sinned against God.
He was sorry so many had to be destroyed, except Noah and his family.
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And this Jehovah character must be about the most incompetent deity that
humans have ever dreamed up.
Who divided the red sea so that the Israelites could walk through?
Israeli archaeologists found no evidence for the Exodus.
But in an archeology magazine it said the believed route is wrong. A
different route showed evidence of the exodus. I had the magazine but
can't find it right now. I will continue to look.
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Who
resurrected Lazarus and others?
A lot of religions have resurrection fables. Are they all correct?
At the time it was written, there were a lot of witnesses to the
event. It would have been easy to show the writing was bogus.
Who exactly proved the resurrection of Osiris bogus?
He is a false god, created by humans. We to not see his 'fingerprints'
and 'footprints' all over the place, like we do with Jehovah God.
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Satan is the ruler of this world, and he is a notorious liar. Don't be
surprised to hear of resurrections in false religions.
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Who created an orderly universe?
With earthquakes, meteorites and volcanic eruptions?
Why is the earth put into the exact spot to cause life to flourish?
Volcanic eruptions also create land and nutritious soils, so its not
all bad.
Meteorites rarely kill anyone. But they add to the knowledge of what
is out there. Scientists also think our water on earth came from
meteorites. (another wrong assumption but one you no doubt believe)
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Who
was the only one that could create life?
Including lethal diseases?
God created Adam in perfection with no diseases. When Adam sinned
against God, he became imperfect, and through genetics passed it on to
his offspring.
"through genetics"? Adam ate an apple
The Bible doesn't say which fruit he ate. It just says "fruit".
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because of a talking snake, and
that created cholera viruses?
Did you know that there is biological evidence that snakes originally
had legs?

"A species of ancient snake had hind limbs for around 70 million years
before losing them, scientists have discovered. This shows these
creatures lived successfully with legs for a very long time before
developing the characteristic body shape seen today—adding to the
complicated story of snake evolution."
https://www.newsweek.com/ancient-snake-fossil-evolution-1473003
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No human dreamed up God, but God dreamed up humans.
And then slaughtered most of them in the supposed Flood?
And is supposedly planning to slaughter even more at Armageddon?
God is a moral God. Thus makes morals His top priorities. The
pre-deluge earth had people so wicked, that all they knew was
violence.
At Armageddon, many people
not "many people". According to the Governing Body, everyone who is not
an active Jehovah's Witness will be slaughtered.
Show me JW literature that says that.
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Currently the teaching
is that the judging is going on now, which was also Rutherford's
doctrine, but in the last two decades, the Governing Body has said that
the judging would take place during Armageddon, and at another stage
that the judging would follow Armageddon. That's "new light" for you.
Just wait a year or two and a new "new light" will come along.
The true religion is supposed to get "new light" as time goes on:

-- Revised Standard
Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the righteous is like the light of
dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.
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are like the ones in the pre-deluge
situation.
So this deity has twice allowed his creation to be so messed-up that the
only solution is genocide?
And you worship this self-admitted monster?
You don't know what you are saying. God wants ALL humans to repent of
their sins. If they don't, the fault lies on their heads.

You tell your child not to cross the busy road. When he does and gets
killed, the fault is on his head. You told him the right thing to do.

Also, God will not expunge all the people on earth, only the wicked,
which is a burden on the righteous ones.
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You like to use the word "slaughter". If that is the case, then when
the State executes a murderer, you would have to say the State
SLAUGHTERED him. Now, does that sound right to you?
It certainly sounds right to the Bible.
If you want to think of it that way, go ahead. It won't change God.
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Isaiah 65:12 " Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall
all bow down to the slaughter: "
Here is why a "slaughter" took place:

-- Revised Standard
Isaiah 65:11 But you who forsake the Lord, who forget my holy
mountain, who set a table for Fortune and fill cups of mixed wine for
Destiny;

-- Revised Standard
Isaiah 65:12 I will destine you to the sword, and all of you shall
bow down to the slaughter; because, when I called, you did not answer,
when I spoke, you did not listen, but you did what was evil in my
eyes, and chose what I did not delight in."

This is God's universe, not ours. He allowed all of us to have life.
But living is on his terms. That is just the way it is. To put it
bluntly: Obey my commands, or eventually die.
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"So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the
surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping
animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have
made them".
This proves that God does not always look into the future. Sometimes
He let's things take their normal course, then responds to them. He
was saddened by the path the wicked humans took. He does not like
destroying anyone.
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Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
You set the bar very low, don't you? "God's organisation" is OK as long
as it does not have a worse child abuse record than the Roman Catholics,
It is NEVER ok with child abuse. But any organization with millions of
members is going to have such ones. (example a handful of murdereers,
thieves, liars, adulters, etc, just like they had in the first
century)
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are not more ostentatiously greedy than the "Prosperity Gospel"
preachers, and doesn't make major changes in doctrine more than once or
twice a year.
Upgrading oneself is supposed to occur continually with the true
religion. Prov 4:18,
But often "new light" is just what was rejected as "old light" a few
years ago.
Whatever you want to call it, the true religion is continually
upgrading. (Pr 4:18)
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And claiming that the end of the world was coming in 1914, 1925, 1975
... is hardly a great example of "Upgrading oneself".
On the contrary, what do they say today? They give no date, but say
according to the Bible we are in the 'last days'. The end will come
when the JW's complete Mt 24:14. (the Watchtower magazine on the cover
says, "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM")
Will this be another virtual Kingdom, such as the one proclaimed in
1914?
What happened in 1914 fits the Bible's prophecy about the time of the
end. (see Matthew Chapter 24)
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Remember that the "overlapping generation" theory means that the
Governing Body have no deadline any more.
You seem to have a problem with the Governing Body. These are
spiritually qualified men to help Jesus guide the organization
Who qualified these jackasses like Geoffrey Jackson and David Splaine,
who can't even read their own Bible correctly?
Holy Spirit appointed the elders. That is their qualification:

-- Revised Standard
Acts 20:28 Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the
Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God
which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
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They claim to be "spiritually qualified" and that is all you need.
Negatrons. If one of them declared himself to be Jesus, we would not
believe him. Their actions define who they are.
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. The
Bible says they were picked by Holy Spirit.
The Bible says the Governing Body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract
Society were picked by Holy Spirit? Even you can't believe that!
I believe what the Bible says. (see the Scripture above)
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The Bible may say that the Disciples, or the Apostles, or the elders
were picked by the Holy Spirit about two thousand years ago, But who
says that the present Governing Body were so picked? The self-same eight
old men in New York.
And you take them at their word, which changes every few years.
Yes they are supposed to have things change occasionally. (see Pr 4:18
quoted above)
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That is good enough for
me. But they still are imperfect humans, thus can commit wrongs.
occasionally.
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So the good news of God's kingdom is being preached world-wide.
And yet JW numbers world-wide are falling, according to their own data.
Please show me your data source of the JW data.
"The Increase We Get From 2019 to 2020: -0.6"
JW.org 2020 Service Report
That is correct. So be it. But notice why:

"Newsroom Highlights From 2020 Service Year

The 2020 service year brought unparalleled challenges to the spiritual
activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide. But these challenges also
revealed the determination of our brothers and sisters to maintain
loyalty and unity. The primary challenge stemmed from the COVID-19
pandemic, which created global disruptions on a scale not seen in
generations."
https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=2020+service+report

At least they are honest in their reporting a negative number.
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"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That
grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."
We are near "full daylight" now.
No, the Governing Body is still making up stuff as it goes along. In
some cases it has had three different "new lights" on the same
theological question within a few years, ending back where they started.
See above where we are just about at the full daylight now.
You can keep saying that, while the Governing Body continue to tie
themselves in knots and numbers fall.
They are doing just fine, in showing love to all the brothers. They
are keeping abreast of the pandemic, and sharing their information.

Before the governments told us not to gather together in large crowds,
the JW organization stopped the door to door work, and told everyone
to stay home. They were wise and are helping to protect us.
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"District Overseer Bart Thompson held up a Society publication that had
a green cover. He then said to the assembly of elders [in Alabama] "If
the Society told me that this book was black instead of green, I would
say 'Y'know. I could have sworn that it was green, but if the Society
says it's black, then it's black'"
Please show me source of that statement so that I can verify its
truthfulness or non-truthfulness.
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"Crisis of Conscience" - former Governing Body Member Raymond Franz
And in what JW literature do we find "Crisis of Conscience"?
So you only accept JW literature as truth, not the writings of a long-
serving member (1971-1980) of the Governing Body? Surely Raymond Franz
was "picked by the Holy Spirit"?
Yes he was. And if he wrote things, I am sure they were showing up in
the literature.

James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
You are wilful slaves of eight old men in New York who claim to be
providing "spiritual food" from Jesus and Jehovah, but at the same time
admit that they are not divinely inspired.
We are slaves of Jesus and God, not men. Yes, we listen to spiritually
qualified men from any place, but are not their slaves. We reason on
God's word, the Holy Bible, just as the apostle Paul did, who set the
example for us at Acts 17:2,3.
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"We are all just roving about" - Gerrit Losch - Governing Body member
"rove
travel constantly without a fixed destination; wander."
(Google definitions)
So what is your point?
You are just confirming that the Governing Body is just making up stuff
as they go along, no divine guidance - "without a fixed direction".
On the contrary, things have been happening that have been almost
miraculous. For example, in countries where the Watchtower magazine
is banned, police came into a JW home. This home is one where they
distributed Watchtowers underground, so there was quite a stack.
The police came in and DIDN'T EVEN SEE the magazines that were right
out in the open for anyone to see. Now you call it what you may, but I
believe God is behind the JW organization.
If this story is anything more than a "pious fiction" invented to keep
up morale (and it might be more convincing if the 'countries' were named
- 'a home' and multiple countries?), then it raises the question of the
high level of Covid deaths among JWs. Does Jehovah regard hiding
magazines as a higher priority than his follower's lives?
The story is true.
But you don't even know what country it happened in?
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The magazines were not hidden.
God used his powers to make them invisible?
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And Jehovah apparently regards magazines as more important than the
lives of his followers.
Actually, God puts His kingdom above all other things. And the cover
page of the Watchtowers says "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM"
But the lives of his followers are still less important than the
survival of magazines.
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So people who follow the "faithful and discreet slave" i.e. the
Governing Body are just slaves of the Governing Body, who claim, without
any evidence, to be the "faithful and discreet slave"
Those are the ones going to Heaven. There is a Bible Scripture which
says that their spirit agrees with God's Spirit that they are Heavenly
bound. It is not the kind of thing where there is physical evidence.
That's very convenient for the Governing Body, getting to claim to have
been selected by Jesus without ever having to produce evidence.
That is what the Bible says.
The Bible mentions a "faithful and discreet slave". The Watchtower Bible
and Tract Society simply makes an unsubstantiated claim that this title
applies to them also. The record of failed prophecies and endless
doctrinal changes argue against that, as does their own disavowal of
being "divinely inspired". See Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson's
testimony to the Australian Royal Commission, and Governing Body member
Gerrit Losch's admission that "We are all just roving about".
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Why would Jesus select someone like David "We sort of had our
explanation backwards" - Splaine
Where is your source proof that was said?
JW Broadcasting
I don't know the setting or the context. What explanation did he say
was backwords?
That the references to hordes of locusts in Joel were references to
hordes of Jehovah's Witnesses.
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If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
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God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
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Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
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Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
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What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Then why does the Bible say that God repented? (e.g. in Amos)
Gen 6:6,
"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart."
So "God did nothing wrong" is wrong according to the Bible.
Negatrons. First of all, get a better translation.
Like the JW "translation", produced without scholars of Hebrew or Greek?
Use your brain God gave you. The NWT has been praised for its accuracy
by Bible scholars. If the translation was done by half-wit idiots, why
“I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world
wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous
translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I
can testify.”—Letter, December 8, 1950, from Edgar J. Goodspeed,
translator of the Greek “New Testament” in An American Translation."
(g87.3/22, p.14)
"Edgar Johnson Goodspeed (1871–1962) was an American theologian and
scholar of Greek and the New Testament. He taught for many years at
the University of Chicago, whose collection of New Testament
manuscripts he enriched by his searches. The University's collection
is now named in his honor.
He is widely remembered for his translations of the Bible: The New
Testament: an American Translation (1923), and (with John Merlin Powis
Smith) "The Bible, An American Translation" (1935), the "Goodspeed
Bible". He is also remembered for his translation of the Apocrypha,
and that translation was included in The Complete Bible, An American
Translation (1939). Finally, Harper & Brothers issued his widely
heralded The Apostolic Fathers: An American Translation (1950).
Edgar J. Goodspeed was born in Quincy, Illinois. He graduated from
Denison University in 1890 (where he also received a doctorate in
Divinity, 1928) and the University of Chicago (Ph.D. 1898)."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_J._Goodspeed)
And he was not the translator of the JW version. For a scholar to
describe a translation as "free, frank and vigorous" is called "damning
with faint praise".
On the contrary, he was complementing the scholarship of the
translation.
The publishers themselves admitted "the particulars of [the New World
Bible Translation Committee's members] university or other educational
training are not the important thing"

Not surprising when the man in charge was Fred Franz, President of the
Governing Body - the man who dreamed up the failed 1975 prophecy.
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-- New King James
Genesis 6:6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth,
and He was grieved in His heart.
He was not sorry He created Adam and Eve, but was sorry for their
offspring, who were born imperfect and constantly sinned against God.
He was sorry so many had to be destroyed, except Noah and his family.
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And this Jehovah character must be about the most incompetent deity that
humans have ever dreamed up.
Who divided the red sea so that the Israelites could walk through?
Israeli archaeologists found no evidence for the Exodus.
But in an archeology magazine it said the believed route is wrong. A
different route showed evidence of the exodus. I had the magazine but
can't find it right now. I will continue to look.
Maybe Jehovah is concealing it, the way he concealed the "Watchtowers"
in an un-named country.
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Who
resurrected Lazarus and others?
A lot of religions have resurrection fables. Are they all correct?
At the time it was written, there were a lot of witnesses to the
event. It would have been easy to show the writing was bogus.
Who exactly proved the resurrection of Osiris bogus?
He is a false god, created by humans. We to not see his 'fingerprints'
and 'footprints' all over the place, like we do with Jehovah God.
You see Jehovah's "footprints" everywhere, just as followers of Isis and
Osiris saw their "footprints" everywhere. And nobody at the time
disproved either.
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Satan is the ruler of this world, and he is a notorious liar. Don't be
surprised to hear of resurrections in false religions.
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Who created an orderly universe?
With earthquakes, meteorites and volcanic eruptions?
Why is the earth put into the exact spot to cause life to flourish?
Volcanic eruptions also create land and nutritious soils, so its not
all bad.
Meteorites rarely kill anyone. But they add to the knowledge of what
is out there. Scientists also think our water on earth came from
meteorites. (another wrong assumption but one you no doubt believe)
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Who
was the only one that could create life?
Including lethal diseases?
God created Adam in perfection with no diseases. When Adam sinned
against God, he became imperfect, and through genetics passed it on to
his offspring.
"through genetics"? Adam ate an apple
The Bible doesn't say which fruit he ate. It just says "fruit".
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because of a talking snake, and
that created cholera viruses?
So Adam ate some "fruit" at the behest of a talking snake and that
created cholera viruses?
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Did you know that there is biological evidence that snakes originally
had legs?
Yes, and whales have evidence of vestigial legs as well
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"A species of ancient snake had hind limbs for around 70 million years
before losing them, scientists have discovered. This shows these
creatures lived successfully with legs for a very long time before
developing the characteristic body shape seen today—adding to the
complicated story of snake evolution."
https://www.newsweek.com/ancient-snake-fossil-evolution-1473003
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No human dreamed up God, but God dreamed up humans.
And then slaughtered most of them in the supposed Flood?
And is supposedly planning to slaughter even more at Armageddon?
God is a moral God. Thus makes morals His top priorities. The
pre-deluge earth had people so wicked, that all they knew was
violence.
At Armageddon, many people
not "many people". According to the Governing Body, everyone who is not
an active Jehovah's Witness will be slaughtered.
Show me JW literature that says that.
A talk by Governing Body Member Kenneth Cooke to the (virtual) 2020
Convention.
Not just the enemies of God, but "all those who do not courageously
support Christ's brothers" will be set aside for slaughter.

See JW.ORG
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Currently the teaching
is that the judging is going on now, which was also Rutherford's
doctrine, but in the last two decades, the Governing Body has said that
the judging would take place during Armageddon, and at another stage
that the judging would follow Armageddon. That's "new light" for you.
Just wait a year or two and a new "new light" will come along.
-- Revised Standard
Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the righteous is like the light of
dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.
But one hardly expects the "new light" to be replaced by more "new
light" which turns out to be the original "old light". Not unless they
are making it up as they go along.
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are like the ones in the pre-deluge
situation.
So this deity has twice allowed his creation to be so messed-up that the
only solution is genocide?
And you worship this self-admitted monster?
You don't know what you are saying. God wants ALL humans to repent of
their sins. If they don't, the fault lies on their heads.
And they get slaughtered. A point you Tried to hide.
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You tell your child not to cross the busy road. When he does and gets
killed, the fault is on his head. You told him the right thing to do.
Also, God will not expunge all the people on earth, only the wicked,
which is a burden on the righteous ones.
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You like to use the word "slaughter". If that is the case, then when
the State executes a murderer, you would have to say the State
SLAUGHTERED him. Now, does that sound right to you?
It certainly sounds right to the Bible.
If you want to think of it that way, go ahead. It won't change God.
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Isaiah 65:12 " Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall
all bow down to the slaughter: "
-- Revised Standard
Isaiah 65:11 But you who forsake the Lord, who forget my holy
mountain, who set a table for Fortune and fill cups of mixed wine for
Destiny;
Can YOU remember what is supposed to be this "holy mountain"?

Yes, it's not Mount Zion, it's the JWs!
At least according to JW.ORG
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-- Revised Standard
Isaiah 65:12 I will destine you to the sword, and all of you shall
bow down to the slaughter; because, when I called, you did not answer,
when I spoke, you did not listen, but you did what was evil in my
eyes, and chose what I did not delight in."
This is God's universe, not ours. He allowed all of us to have life.
But living is on his terms. That is just the way it is. To put it
bluntly: Obey my commands, or eventually die.
A being like that may command fear, but it cannot deserve worship.

The good news is that he is a figment of your imagination, or rather the
"Governing Body's"
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"So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the
surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping
animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have
made them".
This proves that God does not always look into the future. Sometimes
He let's things take their normal course, then responds to them. He
was saddened by the path the wicked humans took. He does not like
destroying anyone.
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Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
You set the bar very low, don't you? "God's organisation" is OK as long
as it does not have a worse child abuse record than the Roman Catholics,
It is NEVER ok with child abuse. But any organization with millions of
members is going to have such ones. (example a handful of murdereers,
thieves, liars, adulters, etc, just like they had in the first
century)
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are not more ostentatiously greedy than the "Prosperity Gospel"
preachers, and doesn't make major changes in doctrine more than once or
twice a year.
Upgrading oneself is supposed to occur continually with the true
religion. Prov 4:18,
But often "new light" is just what was rejected as "old light" a few
years ago.
Whatever you want to call it, the true religion is continually
upgrading. (Pr 4:18)
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And claiming that the end of the world was coming in 1914, 1925, 1975
... is hardly a great example of "Upgrading oneself".
On the contrary, what do they say today? They give no date, but say
according to the Bible we are in the 'last days'. The end will come
when the JW's complete Mt 24:14. (the Watchtower magazine on the cover
says, "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM")
Will this be another virtual Kingdom, such as the one proclaimed in
1914?
What happened in 1914 fits the Bible's prophecy about the time of the
end. (see Matthew Chapter 24)
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Remember that the "overlapping generation" theory means that the
Governing Body have no deadline any more.
You seem to have a problem with the Governing Body. These are
spiritually qualified men to help Jesus guide the organization
Who qualified these jackasses like Geoffrey Jackson and David Splaine,
who can't even read their own Bible correctly?
-- Revised Standard
Acts 20:28 Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the
Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God
which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
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They claim to be "spiritually qualified" and that is all you need.
Negatrons. If one of them declared himself to be Jesus, we would not
believe him. Their actions define who they are.
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Bible says they were picked by Holy Spirit.
The Bible says the Governing Body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract
Society were picked by Holy Spirit? Even you can't believe that!
I believe what the Bible says. (see the Scripture above)
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The Bible may say that the Disciples, or the Apostles, or the elders
were picked by the Holy Spirit about two thousand years ago, But who
says that the present Governing Body were so picked? The self-same eight
old men in New York.
And you take them at their word, which changes every few years.
Yes they are supposed to have things change occasionally. (see Pr 4:18
quoted above)
They are all just "roving about".
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That is good enough for
me. But they still are imperfect humans, thus can commit wrongs.
occasionally.
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So the good news of God's kingdom is being preached world-wide.
And yet JW numbers world-wide are falling, according to their own data.
Please show me your data source of the JW data.
"The Increase We Get From 2019 to 2020: -0.6"
JW.org 2020 Service Report
"Newsroom Highlights From 2020 Service Year
The 2020 service year brought unparalleled challenges to the spiritual
activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide. But these challenges also
revealed the determination of our brothers and sisters to maintain
loyalty and unity. The primary challenge stemmed from the COVID-19
pandemic, which created global disruptions on a scale not seen in
generations."
https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=2020+service+report
At least they are honest in their reporting a negative number.
But you would expect that in "the last days of the last days" people
would be flocking to "God's Organisation", not leaving.
You would expect that a deity that takes trouble to protect a bundle of
magazines in some un-named country would be able to protect his
followers from a mere virus.
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"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That
grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."
We are near "full daylight" now.
No, the Governing Body is still making up stuff as it goes along. In
some cases it has had three different "new lights" on the same
theological question within a few years, ending back where they started.
See above where we are just about at the full daylight now.
You can keep saying that, while the Governing Body continue to tie
themselves in knots and numbers fall.
They are doing just fine, in showing love to all the brothers. They
are keeping abreast of the pandemic, and sharing their information.
Before the governments told us not to gather together in large crowds,
the JW organization stopped the door to door work, and told everyone
to stay home. They were wise and are helping to protect us.
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"District Overseer Bart Thompson held up a Society publication that had
a green cover. He then said to the assembly of elders [in Alabama] "If
the Society told me that this book was black instead of green, I would
say 'Y'know. I could have sworn that it was green, but if the Society
says it's black, then it's black'"
Please show me source of that statement so that I can verify its
truthfulness or non-truthfulness.
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"Crisis of Conscience" - former Governing Body Member Raymond Franz
And in what JW literature do we find "Crisis of Conscience"?
So you only accept JW literature as truth, not the writings of a long-
serving member (1971-1980) of the Governing Body? Surely Raymond Franz
was "picked by the Holy Spirit"?
Yes he was. And if he wrote things, I am sure they were showing up in
the literature.
It's Raymond Franz's autobiography.


Regularly the Governing Body tells people to destroy literature that has
been superseded. In fact any that shows that the doctrine has changed
and prophecies have failed.
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
You are wilful slaves of eight old men in New York who claim to be
providing "spiritual food" from Jesus and Jehovah, but at the same time
admit that they are not divinely inspired.
We are slaves of Jesus and God, not men. Yes, we listen to spiritually
qualified men from any place, but are not their slaves. We reason on
God's word, the Holy Bible, just as the apostle Paul did, who set the
example for us at Acts 17:2,3.
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"We are all just roving about" - Gerrit Losch - Governing Body member
"rove
travel constantly without a fixed destination; wander."
(Google definitions)
So what is your point?
You are just confirming that the Governing Body is just making up stuff
as they go along, no divine guidance - "without a fixed direction".
On the contrary, things have been happening that have been almost
miraculous. For example, in countries where the Watchtower magazine
is banned, police came into a JW home. This home is one where they
distributed Watchtowers underground, so there was quite a stack.
The police came in and DIDN'T EVEN SEE the magazines that were right
out in the open for anyone to see. Now you call it what you may, but I
believe God is behind the JW organization.
If this story is anything more than a "pious fiction" invented to keep
up morale (and it might be more convincing if the 'countries' were named
- 'a home' and multiple countries?), then it raises the question of the
high level of Covid deaths among JWs. Does Jehovah regard hiding
magazines as a higher priority than his follower's lives?
The story is true.
But you don't even know what country it happened in?
Germany.
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The magazines were not hidden.
God used his powers to make them invisible?
Not the way the story reads. It was more than likely blocked in their
minds.
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And Jehovah apparently regards magazines as more important than the
lives of his followers.
Actually, God puts His kingdom above all other things. And the cover
page of the Watchtowers says "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM"
But the lives of his followers are still less important than the
survival of magazines.
The magazines are just paper. What is written on them and God's
kingdom are what is important.
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So people who follow the "faithful and discreet slave" i.e. the
Governing Body are just slaves of the Governing Body, who claim, without
any evidence, to be the "faithful and discreet slave"
Those are the ones going to Heaven. There is a Bible Scripture which
says that their spirit agrees with God's Spirit that they are Heavenly
bound. It is not the kind of thing where there is physical evidence.
That's very convenient for the Governing Body, getting to claim to have
been selected by Jesus without ever having to produce evidence.
That is what the Bible says.
The Bible mentions a "faithful and discreet slave". The Watchtower Bible
and Tract Society simply makes an unsubstantiated claim that this title
applies to them also. The record of failed prophecies and endless
doctrinal changes argue against that, as does their own disavowal of
being "divinely inspired". See Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson's
testimony to the Australian Royal Commission, and Governing Body member
Gerrit Losch's admission that "We are all just roving about".
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Why would Jesus select someone like David "We sort of had our
explanation backwards" - Splaine
Where is your source proof that was said?
JW Broadcasting
I don't know the setting or the context. What explanation did he say
was backwords?
That the references to hordes of locusts in Joel were references to
hordes of Jehovah's Witnesses.
But what is the backward explanation?
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If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
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God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
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Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals since
God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
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Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect thing.
We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
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What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Then why does the Bible say that God repented? (e.g. in Amos)
Gen 6:6,
"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart."
So "God did nothing wrong" is wrong according to the Bible.
Negatrons. First of all, get a better translation.
Like the JW "translation", produced without scholars of Hebrew or Greek?
Use your brain God gave you. The NWT has been praised for its accuracy
by Bible scholars. If the translation was done by half-wit idiots, why
“I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world
wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous
translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I
can testify.”—Letter, December 8, 1950, from Edgar J. Goodspeed,
translator of the Greek “New Testament” in An American Translation."
(g87.3/22, p.14)
"Edgar Johnson Goodspeed (1871–1962) was an American theologian and
scholar of Greek and the New Testament. He taught for many years at
the University of Chicago, whose collection of New Testament
manuscripts he enriched by his searches. The University's collection
is now named in his honor.
He is widely remembered for his translations of the Bible: The New
Testament: an American Translation (1923), and (with John Merlin Powis
Smith) "The Bible, An American Translation" (1935), the "Goodspeed
Bible". He is also remembered for his translation of the Apocrypha,
and that translation was included in The Complete Bible, An American
Translation (1939). Finally, Harper & Brothers issued his widely
heralded The Apostolic Fathers: An American Translation (1950).
Edgar J. Goodspeed was born in Quincy, Illinois. He graduated from
Denison University in 1890 (where he also received a doctorate in
Divinity, 1928) and the University of Chicago (Ph.D. 1898)."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_J._Goodspeed)
And he was not the translator of the JW version. For a scholar to
describe a translation as "free, frank and vigorous" is called "damning
with faint praise".
On the contrary, he was complementing the scholarship of the
translation.
The publishers themselves admitted "the particulars of [the New World
Bible Translation Committee's members] university or other educational
training are not the important thing"
True. Just what education one passed, is not as important as knowing
the Greek and Hebrew words.
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Not surprising when the man in charge was Fred Franz, President of the
Governing Body - the man who dreamed up the failed 1975 prophecy.
If they make a bonafide mistake, they show the correction, and move
on. That is what I have always found to be true in the JW
organization.

Did you know that the Bible predicted that the true religion would not
immediately understand all Bible things at once? (Even in Jesus' day,
the apostles didn't have 100% clarity) But over time as things
progressed, more understanding of them would emerge. Pr 4:18,

"The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, shining
ever
brighter till the full light of day." (NIV)

God reveals things to His servants in His due time. (Not when we think
they should be) We just have to be patient and wait.

Yes, I was around as a JW during the 70'S. Before I look anything up
in my library, do you know what I was taught concerning that date? Not
that the end was definitely coming, but that it would be a good time
for God to end it because of some Biblical numbers.

Here is my challenge to you. I am sure there are enough hate groups on
the web etc, that would gladly keep files of Watchtower magazine
'error' quotes etc.
Thus, give me the quote from any JW magazine or book etc, back then
that definitely stated that THE WORLD WOULD END in 1975, so that I can
look it up and verify it.

I just did some quick research on this subject in JW literature trying
to find the alleged direct statement that the end of the world was
coming in 1975, but could not find it anywhere.

But I did find these excerpts . (I tried to keep them brief) Here is a
statement back in 1970. It is from the Watchtower magazine (most new
doctrinal information is published here first) dated 5/1/70, page 273.

"How close we may exactly be to the end of the present divisive system
of things cannot be predicted, as Jesus reported that even he did not
know the day or the hour at the time of his earthly ministry. (Matt.
24:36) However, Bible chronology which indicates that Adam was created
in the fall of the year 4026 B.C.E. would bring us down to the year
1975 C.E. as the date marking 6,000 years of human history with yet
1,000 years to come for Christ's Kingdom rule. So whatever the date
for the end of this system, it is clear that the time left is reduced,
with only approximately six years left until the end of 6,000 years of
human history. (1 Cor. 7:29)"

Notice in this article, it states that at that time (1975) it will be
"the end of 6,000 years of human history" not 'the end of the world'
or similar direct words.

But let's now go to a 1975 Watchtower article. The first one is taken
from early in 1975 (when the alleged 'end' statements should be
flourishing) It is from the Watchtower dated 5/1/75, page 285. It is
quoting from the JW organization vice-president, F. W. Franz:

"Does this mean that we know exactly when God will destroy this old
system and establish a new one? Franz showed that we do not, for we do
not know how short was the time interval between Adam's creation and
the creation of Eve, at which point God's rest day of seven thousand
years began. (Heb. 4:3, 4) But, he pointed out, "we should not think
that this year of 1975 is of no significance to us," for the Bible
proves that Jehovah is "the greatest chronologist" and "we have the
anchor date, 1914, marking the end of the Gentile Times." So, he
continued, "we are filled with anticipation for the near future, for
our generation."-Matt. 24:34."

As you can see, no definite statements being made that 1975 IS the end
year of the world. For a person to make that assumption is the error
of the person, not the source material. Most JW's back then (including
myself) did not make that assumption. It was just an important Bible
date to keep in mind, but they could not definitely say that it was
THE date of the end of the world, etc.
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-- New King James
Genesis 6:6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth,
and He was grieved in His heart.
He was not sorry He created Adam and Eve, but was sorry for their
offspring, who were born imperfect and constantly sinned against God.
He was sorry so many had to be destroyed, except Noah and his family.
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And this Jehovah character must be about the most incompetent deity that
humans have ever dreamed up.
Who divided the red sea so that the Israelites could walk through?
Israeli archaeologists found no evidence for the Exodus.
But in an archeology magazine it said the believed route is wrong. A
different route showed evidence of the exodus. I had the magazine but
can't find it right now. I will continue to look.
Maybe Jehovah is concealing it, the way he concealed the "Watchtowers"
in an un-named country.
That country was Germany. I believe it was the MINDS of the soldiers
that was blocked.
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Who
resurrected Lazarus and others?
A lot of religions have resurrection fables. Are they all correct?
At the time it was written, there were a lot of witnesses to the
event. It would have been easy to show the writing was bogus.
Who exactly proved the resurrection of Osiris bogus?
He is a false god, created by humans. We to not see his 'fingerprints'
and 'footprints' all over the place, like we do with Jehovah God.
You see Jehovah's "footprints" everywhere, just as followers of Isis and
Osiris saw their "footprints" everywhere. And nobody at the time
disproved either.
In the OT there are many incidents where God preformed miracles and
had a lot of witnesses. Name one miracle of Osiris that had witnesses.
There is no comparison against false gods and Jehovah.
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Satan is the ruler of this world, and he is a notorious liar. Don't be
surprised to hear of resurrections in false religions.
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Who created an orderly universe?
With earthquakes, meteorites and volcanic eruptions?
Why is the earth put into the exact spot to cause life to flourish?
Volcanic eruptions also create land and nutritious soils, so its not
all bad.
Meteorites rarely kill anyone. But they add to the knowledge of what
is out there. Scientists also think our water on earth came from
meteorites. (another wrong assumption but one you no doubt believe)
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Who
was the only one that could create life?
Including lethal diseases?
God created Adam in perfection with no diseases. When Adam sinned
against God, he became imperfect, and through genetics passed it on to
his offspring.
"through genetics"? Adam ate an apple
The Bible doesn't say which fruit he ate. It just says "fruit".
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because of a talking snake, and
that created cholera viruses?
So Adam ate some "fruit" at the behest of a talking snake and that
created cholera viruses?
I doubt the snake actually talked. That was a trick of ventriloquism
by Satan.

As for the viruses, that came on after Adam sinned, up to the present
day.
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Did you know that there is biological evidence that snakes originally
had legs?
Yes, and whales have evidence of vestigial legs as well
I really don't see how a whale could walk on dry land. You are getting
into animals that are bigger than dinosaurs. How could whale legs
carry the weight?
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"A species of ancient snake had hind limbs for around 70 million years
before losing them, scientists have discovered. This shows these
creatures lived successfully with legs for a very long time before
developing the characteristic body shape seen today—adding to the
complicated story of snake evolution."
https://www.newsweek.com/ancient-snake-fossil-evolution-1473003
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No human dreamed up God, but God dreamed up humans.
And then slaughtered most of them in the supposed Flood?
And is supposedly planning to slaughter even more at Armageddon?
God is a moral God. Thus makes morals His top priorities. The
pre-deluge earth had people so wicked, that all they knew was
violence.
At Armageddon, many people
not "many people". According to the Governing Body, everyone who is not
an active Jehovah's Witness will be slaughtered.
Show me JW literature that says that.
A talk by Governing Body Member Kenneth Cooke to the (virtual) 2020
Convention.
Not just the enemies of God, but "all those who do not courageously
support Christ's brothers" will be set aside for slaughter.
See JW.ORG
Alright, point out to me a web page there, that says that.
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Currently the teaching
is that the judging is going on now, which was also Rutherford's
doctrine, but in the last two decades, the Governing Body has said that
the judging would take place during Armageddon, and at another stage
that the judging would follow Armageddon. That's "new light" for you.
Just wait a year or two and a new "new light" will come along.
-- Revised Standard
Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the righteous is like the light of
dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.
But one hardly expects the "new light" to be replaced by more "new
light" which turns out to be the original "old light". Not unless they
are making it up as they go along.
Just look at the Scripture again. It is self explanatory:

Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the righteous is like the light of
dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.

Obviously, the newer and slightly brighter light replaces the older
dimmer light. And this keeps happening until all the dimmer light has
been replaced.
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are like the ones in the pre-deluge
situation.
So this deity has twice allowed his creation to be so messed-up that the
only solution is genocide?
And you worship this self-admitted monster?
You don't know what you are saying. God wants ALL humans to repent of
their sins. If they don't, the fault lies on their heads.
And they get slaughtered. A point you Tried to hide.
slaughtered implies pain with it:

"kill (people or animals) in a cruel or violent way, typically in
large numbers."
https://www.google.com/search?q=slaughtered+&sa=Google+Search

No, God doesn't work that way, although it many seem that way to the
evil ones.
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You tell your child not to cross the busy road. When he does and gets
killed, the fault is on his head. You told him the right thing to do.
Also, God will not expunge all the people on earth, only the wicked,
which is a burden on the righteous ones.
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You like to use the word "slaughter". If that is the case, then when
the State executes a murderer, you would have to say the State
SLAUGHTERED him. Now, does that sound right to you?
It certainly sounds right to the Bible.
If you want to think of it that way, go ahead. It won't change God.
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Isaiah 65:12 " Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall
all bow down to the slaughter: "
-- Revised Standard
Isaiah 65:11 But you who forsake the Lord, who forget my holy
mountain, who set a table for Fortune and fill cups of mixed wine for
Destiny;
Can YOU remember what is supposed to be this "holy mountain"?
Yes, it's not Mount Zion, it's the JWs!
At least according to JW.ORG
Can you point out the JW web page that it is on?

JW's claim to be the true religion of God. So there is bound to be
some Scriptures that apply directly to them, esp Revelation.
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-- Revised Standard
Isaiah 65:12 I will destine you to the sword, and all of you shall
bow down to the slaughter; because, when I called, you did not answer,
when I spoke, you did not listen, but you did what was evil in my
eyes, and chose what I did not delight in."
This is God's universe, not ours. He allowed all of us to have life.
But living is on his terms. That is just the way it is. To put it
bluntly: Obey my commands, or eventually die.
A being like that may command fear, but it cannot deserve worship.
Oh, but you don't know Jehovah. Based on His truthful and justice
personality, millions of us worship Him. Not because of fear, but
because of love.
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The good news is that he is a figment of your imagination, or rather the
"Governing Body's"
And the Catholics, and the Baptists, and the Methodists, and the every
other professing to worship the God of the Bible. It is figments of
their imagination also? There is more to this than meets the eye.
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"So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the
surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping
animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have
made them".
This proves that God does not always look into the future. Sometimes
He let's things take their normal course, then responds to them. He
was saddened by the path the wicked humans took. He does not like
destroying anyone.
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Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look at
the RCC)
You set the bar very low, don't you? "God's organisation" is OK as long
as it does not have a worse child abuse record than the Roman Catholics,
It is NEVER ok with child abuse. But any organization with millions of
members is going to have such ones. (example a handful of murdereers,
thieves, liars, adulters, etc, just like they had in the first
century)
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are not more ostentatiously greedy than the "Prosperity Gospel"
preachers, and doesn't make major changes in doctrine more than once or
twice a year.
Upgrading oneself is supposed to occur continually with the true
religion. Prov 4:18,
But often "new light" is just what was rejected as "old light" a few
years ago.
Whatever you want to call it, the true religion is continually
upgrading. (Pr 4:18)
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And claiming that the end of the world was coming in 1914, 1925, 1975
... is hardly a great example of "Upgrading oneself".
On the contrary, what do they say today? They give no date, but say
according to the Bible we are in the 'last days'. The end will come
when the JW's complete Mt 24:14. (the Watchtower magazine on the cover
says, "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM")
Will this be another virtual Kingdom, such as the one proclaimed in
1914?
What happened in 1914 fits the Bible's prophecy about the time of the
end. (see Matthew Chapter 24)
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Remember that the "overlapping generation" theory means that the
Governing Body have no deadline any more.
You seem to have a problem with the Governing Body. These are
spiritually qualified men to help Jesus guide the organization
Who qualified these jackasses like Geoffrey Jackson and David Splaine,
who can't even read their own Bible correctly?
-- Revised Standard
Acts 20:28 Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the
Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God
which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
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They claim to be "spiritually qualified" and that is all you need.
Negatrons. If one of them declared himself to be Jesus, we would not
believe him. Their actions define who they are.
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Bible says they were picked by Holy Spirit.
The Bible says the Governing Body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract
Society were picked by Holy Spirit? Even you can't believe that!
I believe what the Bible says. (see the Scripture above)
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The Bible may say that the Disciples, or the Apostles, or the elders
were picked by the Holy Spirit about two thousand years ago, But who
says that the present Governing Body were so picked? The self-same eight
old men in New York.
And you take them at their word, which changes every few years.
Yes they are supposed to have things change occasionally. (see Pr 4:18
quoted above)
They are all just "roving about".
It might appear that way to you, but they see the overall picture of
the JW organization, and how Jesus, God, and the angels are helping
out.
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That is good enough for
me. But they still are imperfect humans, thus can commit wrongs.
occasionally.
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So the good news of God's kingdom is being preached world-wide.
And yet JW numbers world-wide are falling, according to their own data.
Please show me your data source of the JW data.
"The Increase We Get From 2019 to 2020: -0.6"
JW.org 2020 Service Report
"Newsroom Highlights From 2020 Service Year
The 2020 service year brought unparalleled challenges to the spiritual
activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide. But these challenges also
revealed the determination of our brothers and sisters to maintain
loyalty and unity. The primary challenge stemmed from the COVID-19
pandemic, which created global disruptions on a scale not seen in
generations."
https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=2020+service+report
At least they are honest in their reporting a negative number.
But you would expect that in "the last days of the last days" people
would be flocking to "God's Organisation", not leaving.
You would expect that a deity that takes trouble to protect a bundle of
magazines in some un-named country would be able to protect his
followers from a mere virus.
This is not the time for miraculous healings of sick ones, and people
getting resurrected, and death being tossed away, and the whole earth
being made into a paradise. (Luke 23:43)
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"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That
grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."
We are near "full daylight" now.
No, the Governing Body is still making up stuff as it goes along. In
some cases it has had three different "new lights" on the same
theological question within a few years, ending back where they started.
See above where we are just about at the full daylight now.
You can keep saying that, while the Governing Body continue to tie
themselves in knots and numbers fall.
They are doing just fine, in showing love to all the brothers. They
are keeping abreast of the pandemic, and sharing their information.
Before the governments told us not to gather together in large crowds,
the JW organization stopped the door to door work, and told everyone
to stay home. They were wise and are helping to protect us.
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"District Overseer Bart Thompson held up a Society publication that had
a green cover. He then said to the assembly of elders [in Alabama] "If
the Society told me that this book was black instead of green, I would
say 'Y'know. I could have sworn that it was green, but if the Society
says it's black, then it's black'"
Please show me source of that statement so that I can verify its
truthfulness or non-truthfulness.
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"Crisis of Conscience" - former Governing Body Member Raymond Franz
And in what JW literature do we find "Crisis of Conscience"?
So you only accept JW literature as truth, not the writings of a long-
serving member (1971-1980) of the Governing Body? Surely Raymond Franz
was "picked by the Holy Spirit"?
Yes he was. And if he wrote things, I am sure they were showing up in
the literature.
It's Raymond Franz's autobiography.
Regularly the Governing Body tells people to destroy literature that has
been superseded. In fact any that shows that the doctrine has changed
and prophecies have failed.
I recall no such rule. Show me where that is at in the JW literature.


James
www.jw.org
The Bible is truths
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I still have many questions for him to not answer.
Is it possible he accidentally told the truth and was therefore
excommunicated?
Temp change of schedule. JW's are not excommunicated. They are
disfellowshipped. Happily I am not.
It would better for you if were disfellowshipped.
That would be the pits.
It seems that way to you because you can't imagine not being
rigidly controlled by people who have no authority.
Once you were free you would wonder what you saw in being a slave.
You wouldn't make that statement if you really knew the Bible.
Also, it is not always a bad thing to be a slave. We are willful
slaves of Jesus and God.
You are wilful slaves of eight old men in New York who claim to be
providing "spiritual food" from Jesus and Jehovah, but at the same time
admit that they are not divinely inspired.
We are slaves of Jesus and God, not men. Yes, we listen to spiritually
qualified men from any place, but are not their slaves. We reason on
God's word, the Holy Bible, just as the apostle Paul did, who set the
example for us at Acts 17:2,3.
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"We are all just roving about" - Gerrit Losch - Governing Body member
"rove
travel constantly without a fixed destination; wander."
(Google definitions)
So what is your point?
You are just confirming that the Governing Body is just making up stuff
as they go along, no divine guidance - "without a fixed direction".
On the contrary, things have been happening that have been almost
miraculous. For example, in countries where the Watchtower magazine
is banned, police came into a JW home. This home is one where they
distributed Watchtowers underground, so there was quite a stack.
The police came in and DIDN'T EVEN SEE the magazines that were right
out in the open for anyone to see. Now you call it what you may, but I
believe God is behind the JW organization.
If this story is anything more than a "pious fiction" invented to keep
up morale (and it might be more convincing if the 'countries' were named
- 'a home' and multiple countries?), then it raises the question of the
high level of Covid deaths among JWs. Does Jehovah regard hiding
magazines as a higher priority than his follower's lives?
The story is true.
But you don't even know what country it happened in?
Germany.
Are you sure? German JWs are at risk of having their literature seized
by police?

According to JW.org
"In major cities around the world, pedestrians have become accustomed to
seeing mobile carts with Bible-based literature published by Jehovah’s
Witnesses. In Germany, for example, the Witnesses have set up literature
displays in Berlin, Cologne, Hamburg, Munich, and other bustling
cities."
So what paranoid lunatics "distributed Watchtowers underground" because
"the Watchtower magazine is banned" in Germany, where it is not banned?
Are you sure it was Germany? are you sure it actually happened?
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The magazines were not hidden.
God used his powers to make them invisible?
Not the way the story reads. It was more than likely blocked in their
minds.
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And Jehovah apparently regards magazines as more important than the
lives of his followers.
Actually, God puts His kingdom above all other things. And the cover
page of the Watchtowers says "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM"
But the lives of his followers are still less important than the
survival of magazines.
The magazines are just paper. What is written on them and God's
kingdom are what is important.
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So people who follow the "faithful and discreet slave" i.e. the
Governing Body are just slaves of the Governing Body, who claim, without
any evidence, to be the "faithful and discreet slave"
Those are the ones going to Heaven. There is a Bible Scripture which
says that their spirit agrees with God's Spirit that they are Heavenly
bound. It is not the kind of thing where there is physical evidence.
That's very convenient for the Governing Body, getting to claim to have
been selected by Jesus without ever having to produce evidence.
That is what the Bible says.
The Bible mentions a "faithful and discreet slave". The Watchtower Bible
and Tract Society simply makes an unsubstantiated claim that this title
applies to them also. The record of failed prophecies and endless
doctrinal changes argue against that, as does their own disavowal of
being "divinely inspired". See Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson's
testimony to the Australian Royal Commission, and Governing Body member
Gerrit Losch's admission that "We are all just roving about".
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Why would Jesus select someone like David "We sort of had our
explanation backwards" - Splaine
Where is your source proof that was said?
JW Broadcasting
I don't know the setting or the context. What explanation did he say
was backwords?
That the references to hordes of locusts in Joel were references to
hordes of Jehovah's Witnesses.
But what is the backward explanation?
That was the backwards explanation.
The current explanation that the locusts represented the forces of evil.
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If you have questions, fire away.
Thank you.
Why did God create us faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
God didn't create ourselves faulty. Adam's willful disobedience did
that. If Adam didn't sin, we would all be in a paradise earth with
perfect health and no death forever.
Why did God create Adam faulty and command us to make ourselves well?
Adam was not made faulty. (read Deut 32:4)
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God, through His Son, said the sick need a physician.
Why did God cause Adam to make us sick?
We were not created to govern ourselves. We all need a superior person
to lead us. In God's upcoming government, that will be Jesus.
Thus we have those things like diseases randomly strike us. Since
Jesus healed many sick ones, he showed us what he can do.
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Why did God make us as just another mammal with the same mental
and physical problems as other mammals?
All humankind were in Adam's loins at the beginning. When he became
imperfect, he passed that on to us. (and apparently the animals
since
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God put them in charge of all the animals)
Why did God do that?
Because He wanted to.
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Why did God create us and other mammals such that females can
conceive before they are old enough to safely give birth?
All Adam's fault. That is just one more imperfection. If you make a
copy of a copy of a copy etc, you may wind up with an imperfect
thing.
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We are thousands of years since Adam's creation. Imperfection breeds
more imperfection which breeds even more imperfection, etc. That is
why so many things are messed up today.
Too bad God never created digital copying with error correction.
God is way above digital.
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What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and only
the strongest survive?
God didn't create us the way we are now. Recall, all of God's
creations were perfect in the beginning. (Deut 32:4) Remaining that
way forever was contingent upon Adam remaining loyal to God.
You are telling me what God did wrong. I'm asking why.
I can't answer since God did nothing wrong.
Then why does the Bible say that God repented? (e.g. in Amos)
Gen 6:6,
"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart."
So "God did nothing wrong" is wrong according to the Bible.
Negatrons. First of all, get a better translation.
Like the JW "translation", produced without scholars of Hebrew or Greek?
Use your brain God gave you. The NWT has been praised for its accuracy
by Bible scholars. If the translation was done by half-wit idiots, why
“I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world
wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous
translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I
can testify.”—Letter, December 8, 1950, from Edgar J. Goodspeed,
translator of the Greek “New Testament” in An American Translation."
(g87.3/22, p.14)
"Edgar Johnson Goodspeed (1871–1962) was an American theologian and
scholar of Greek and the New Testament. He taught for many years at
the University of Chicago, whose collection of New Testament
manuscripts he enriched by his searches. The University's collection
is now named in his honor.
He is widely remembered for his translations of the Bible: The New
Testament: an American Translation (1923), and (with John Merlin Powis
Smith) "The Bible, An American Translation" (1935), the "Goodspeed
Bible". He is also remembered for his translation of the Apocrypha,
and that translation was included in The Complete Bible, An American
Translation (1939). Finally, Harper & Brothers issued his widely
heralded The Apostolic Fathers: An American Translation (1950).
Edgar J. Goodspeed was born in Quincy, Illinois. He graduated from
Denison University in 1890 (where he also received a doctorate in
Divinity, 1928) and the University of Chicago (Ph.D. 1898)."
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_J._Goodspeed)
And he was not the translator of the JW version. For a scholar to
describe a translation as "free, frank and vigorous" is called "damning
with faint praise".
On the contrary, he was complementing the scholarship of the
translation.
The publishers themselves admitted "the particulars of [the New World
Bible Translation Committee's members] university or other educational
training are not the important thing"
True. Just what education one passed, is not as important as knowing
the Greek and Hebrew words.
Knowing the words is not much use without understanding the language,
and the way that the words are used. To translate a major work needs far
more than two years study.
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Not surprising when the man in charge was Fred Franz, President of the
Governing Body - the man who dreamed up the failed 1975 prophecy.
If they make a bonafide mistake, they show the correction, and move
on. That is what I have always found to be true in the JW
organization.
By" move on" you presumably mean destroying all literature that provides
evidence of the mistake.
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Did you know that the Bible predicted that the true religion would not
immediately understand all Bible things at once? (Even in Jesus' day,
the apostles didn't have 100% clarity) But over time as things
progressed, more understanding of them would emerge. Pr 4:18,
"The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, shining
ever
brighter till the full light of day." (NIV)
God reveals things to His servants in His due time. (Not when we think
they should be) We just have to be patient and wait.
Yes, I was around as a JW during the 70'S. Before I look anything up
in my library, do you know what I was taught concerning that date? Not
that the end was definitely coming, but that it would be a good time
for God to end it because of some Biblical numbers.
Here is my challenge to you. I am sure there are enough hate groups on
the web etc, that would gladly keep files of Watchtower magazine
'error' quotes etc.
Thus, give me the quote from any JW magazine or book etc, back then
that definitely stated that THE WORLD WOULD END in 1975, so that I can
look it up and verify it.
"THE WORLD WOULD END" is not a JW usage, so this is a strawman argument.
The JW equivalent was to talk of "the end of this system of things" or
Armageddon.

As I have just pointed out. The Board of Governors "move on" and
withdraw the old literature to cover up their past mistakes, which makes
your challenge more difficult.

But "Kingdom Ministry" said in 1968 "Just think brothers, there are only
about ninety months left before 6,000 years of man's existence on earth
is completed. Do you remember what we learned at the assemblies last
summer? The majority of people living today will probably be alive when
Armageddon breaks out and there are no resurrection hopes for those that
are destroyed then."


In March 15, 1980 Watchtower said regarding 1975: "there were other
statements published that implied that such realisation of hopes by that
year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be
regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the
cautionary ones."

And remember that this was not a on-off event. The "end" had been
predicted for 1914 and 1925 and indeed was predicted (briefly) for the
end of the previous millennium.
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I just did some quick research on this subject in JW literature trying
to find the alleged direct statement that the end of the world was
coming in 1975, but could not find it anywhere.
But I did find these excerpts . (I tried to keep them brief) Here is a
statement back in 1970. It is from the Watchtower magazine (most new
doctrinal information is published here first) dated 5/1/70, page 273.
"How close we may exactly be to the end of the present divisive system
of things cannot be predicted, as Jesus reported that even he did not
know the day or the hour at the time of his earthly ministry. (Matt.
24:36) However, Bible chronology which indicates that Adam was created
in the fall of the year 4026 B.C.E. would bring us down to the year
1975 C.E. as the date marking 6,000 years of human history with yet
1,000 years to come for Christ's Kingdom rule. So whatever the date
for the end of this system, it is clear that the time left is reduced,
with only approximately six years left until the end of 6,000 years of
human history. (1 Cor. 7:29)"
Notice in this article, it states that at that time (1975) it will be
"the end of 6,000 years of human history" not 'the end of the world'
or similar direct words.
But let's now go to a 1975 Watchtower article. The first one is taken
from early in 1975 (when the alleged 'end' statements should be
flourishing) It is from the Watchtower dated 5/1/75, page 285. It is
"Does this mean that we know exactly when God will destroy this old
system and establish a new one? Franz showed that we do not, for we do
not know how short was the time interval between Adam's creation and
the creation of Eve, at which point God's rest day of seven thousand
years began. (Heb. 4:3, 4) But, he pointed out, "we should not think
that this year of 1975 is of no significance to us," for the Bible
proves that Jehovah is "the greatest chronologist" and "we have the
anchor date, 1914, marking the end of the Gentile Times." So, he
continued, "we are filled with anticipation for the near future, for
our generation."-Matt. 24:34."
As you can see, no definite statements being made that 1975 IS the end
year of the world. For a person to make that assumption is the error
of the person, not the source material. Most JW's back then (including
myself) did not make that assumption. It was just an important Bible
date to keep in mind, but they could not definitely say that it was
THE date of the end of the world, etc.
Robert Wallen, a Governing Body Secretary
"When I know my feelings regarding 1975 were fostered because of what I
read in various publications, and then I am told in effect that I
reached false conclusions on my own, that, is not being fair or honest".
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-- New King James
Genesis 6:6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth,
and He was grieved in His heart.
He was not sorry He created Adam and Eve, but was sorry for their
offspring, who were born imperfect and constantly sinned against God.
He was sorry so many had to be destroyed, except Noah and his family.
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And this Jehovah character must be about the most incompetent deity that
humans have ever dreamed up.
Who divided the red sea so that the Israelites could walk through?
Israeli archaeologists found no evidence for the Exodus.
But in an archeology magazine it said the believed route is wrong. A
different route showed evidence of the exodus. I had the magazine but
can't find it right now. I will continue to look.
Maybe Jehovah is concealing it, the way he concealed the "Watchtowers"
in an un-named country.
That country was Germany. I believe it was the MINDS of the soldiers
that was blocked.
Hang on. Now they are "soldiers"? But earlier you said "police".
Which is it. And it certainly wasn't modern Germany.
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Who
resurrected Lazarus and others?
A lot of religions have resurrection fables. Are they all correct?
At the time it was written, there were a lot of witnesses to the
event. It would have been easy to show the writing was bogus.
Who exactly proved the resurrection of Osiris bogus?
He is a false god, created by humans. We to not see his 'fingerprints'
and 'footprints' all over the place, like we do with Jehovah God.
You see Jehovah's "footprints" everywhere, just as followers of Isis and
Osiris saw their "footprints" everywhere. And nobody at the time
disproved either.
In the OT there are many incidents where God preformed miracles and
had a lot of witnesses.
Claims of miracles tend to come with claims of witnesses. The second
claim does not make the first more likely.
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Name one miracle of Osiris that had witnesses.
Claims of miracles tend to come with claims of witnesses. The second
claim does not make the first more likely.

"Q. How many millions of people (on average per viewing) watch
Maitreya's interviews broadcast on television?

A. About 4,000,000.

Q. Have the other major TV networks in the US or the cable news networks
shown any interest in interviewing Maitreya?

A. Not in the USA, but in Latin America where, for example, in Mexico
City, Maitreya has given two interviews."


4 million witnesses on TV in the present era!
That outranks any Biblical claim!
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There is no comparison against false gods and Jehovah.
They are very different, but all false.
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Satan is the ruler of this world, and he is a notorious liar. Don't be
surprised to hear of resurrections in false religions.
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Who created an orderly universe?
With earthquakes, meteorites and volcanic eruptions?
Why is the earth put into the exact spot to cause life to flourish?
Volcanic eruptions also create land and nutritious soils, so its not
all bad.
Meteorites rarely kill anyone. But they add to the knowledge of what
is out there. Scientists also think our water on earth came from
meteorites. (another wrong assumption but one you no doubt believe)
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was the only one that could create life?
Including lethal diseases?
God created Adam in perfection with no diseases. When Adam sinned
against God, he became imperfect, and through genetics passed it on to
his offspring.
"through genetics"? Adam ate an apple
The Bible doesn't say which fruit he ate. It just says "fruit".
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because of a talking snake, and
that created cholera viruses?
So Adam ate some "fruit" at the behest of a talking snake and that
created cholera viruses?
I doubt the snake actually talked. That was a trick of ventriloquism
by Satan.
As for the viruses, that came on after Adam sinned, up to the present
day.
But how does eating this unspecified fruit create cholera virus?
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Did you know that there is biological evidence that snakes originally
had legs?
Yes, and whales have evidence of vestigial legs as well
I really don't see how a whale could walk on dry land. You are getting
into animals that are bigger than dinosaurs. How could whale legs
carry the weight?
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"A species of ancient snake had hind limbs for around 70 million years
before losing them, scientists have discovered. This shows these
creatures lived successfully with legs for a very long time before
developing the characteristic body shape seen today—adding to the
complicated story of snake evolution."
https://www.newsweek.com/ancient-snake-fossil-evolution-1473003
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No human dreamed up God, but God dreamed up humans.
And then slaughtered most of them in the supposed Flood?
And is supposedly planning to slaughter even more at Armageddon?
God is a moral God. Thus makes morals His top priorities. The
pre-deluge earth had people so wicked, that all they knew was
violence.
At Armageddon, many people
not "many people". According to the Governing Body, everyone who is not
an active Jehovah's Witness will be slaughtered.
Show me JW literature that says that.
A talk by Governing Body Member Kenneth Cooke to the (virtual) 2020
Convention.
Not just the enemies of God, but "all those who do not courageously
support Christ's brothers" will be set aside for slaughter.
See JW.ORG
Alright, point out to me a web page there, that says that.
You seem to be some kind of salad-bar JW, picking the stuff you like and
leaving the stuff you dislike.

Every year the Jehovah's Witnesses hold conventions (virtual last year
because of COVID) with inspiring themes such as "Don't Give Up"
orv"Always Rejoice"
These tend to include filmed "dramatisations" (people in white robes
running about to illustrate a Bible passage, or modern-day JWs learning
never to answer a phone call from a disfellowshipped family member
because of a non-Biblical example of family disavowal in a
dramatisation).

The increasingly vain "You may now applaud" Governing Body members make
their appearances. These conventions are recorded and made available to
JWs.
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/conventions/2020-convention-
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Currently the teaching
is that the judging is going on now, which was also Rutherford's
doctrine, but in the last two decades, the Governing Body has said that
the judging would take place during Armageddon, and at another stage
that the judging would follow Armageddon. That's "new light" for you.
Just wait a year or two and a new "new light" will come along.
-- Revised Standard
Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the righteous is like the light of
dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.
But one hardly expects the "new light" to be replaced by more "new
light" which turns out to be the original "old light". Not unless they
are making it up as they go along.
Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the righteous is like the light of
dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.
Obviously, the newer and slightly brighter light replaces the older
dimmer light. And this keeps happening until all the dimmer light has
been replaced.
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are like the ones in the pre-deluge
situation.
So this deity has twice allowed his creation to be so messed-up that the
only solution is genocide?
And you worship this self-admitted monster?
You don't know what you are saying. God wants ALL humans to repent of
their sins. If they don't, the fault lies on their heads.
And they get slaughtered. A point you Tried to hide.
"kill (people or animals) in a cruel or violent way, typically in
large numbers."
https://www.google.com/search?q=slaughtered+&sa=Google+Search
No, God doesn't work that way, although it many seem that way to the
evil ones.
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You tell your child not to cross the busy road. When he does and gets
killed, the fault is on his head. You told him the right thing to do.
Also, God will not expunge all the people on earth, only the wicked,
which is a burden on the righteous ones.
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You like to use the word "slaughter". If that is the case, then when
the State executes a murderer, you would have to say the State
SLAUGHTERED him. Now, does that sound right to you?
It certainly sounds right to the Bible.
If you want to think of it that way, go ahead. It won't change God.
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Isaiah 65:12 " Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall
all bow down to the slaughter: "
-- Revised Standard
Isaiah 65:11 But you who forsake the Lord, who forget my holy
mountain, who set a table for Fortune and fill cups of mixed wine for
Destiny;
Can YOU remember what is supposed to be this "holy mountain"?
Yes, it's not Mount Zion, it's the JWs!
At least according to JW.ORG
Can you point out the JW web page that it is on?
Use the search engine in JW.org with "holy mountain"
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JW's claim to be the true religion of God. So there is bound to be
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-- Revised Standard
Isaiah 65:12 I will destine you to the sword, and all of you shall
bow down to the slaughter; because, when I called, you did not answer,
when I spoke, you did not listen, but you did what was evil in my
eyes, and chose what I did not delight in."
This is God's universe, not ours. He allowed all of us to have life.
But living is on his terms. That is just the way it is. To put it
bluntly: Obey my commands, or eventually die.
A being like that may command fear, but it cannot deserve worship.
Oh, but you don't know Jehovah. Based on His truthful and justice
personality, millions of us worship Him. Not because of fear, but
because of love.
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The good news is that he is a figment of your imagination, or rather the
"Governing Body's"
And the Catholics, and the Baptists, and the Methodists, and the every
other professing to worship the God of the Bible. It is figments of
their imagination also? There is more to this than meets the eye.
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"So Jehovah said: “I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the
surface of the ground, man together with domestic animals, creeping
animals, and flying creatures of the heavens, for I regret that I have
made them".
This proves that God does not always look into the future. Sometimes
He let's things take their normal course, then responds to them. He
was saddened by the path the wicked humans took. He does not like
destroying anyone.
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Why do your leaders want to cover up the rampant child abuse in
your church?
Actually it should be much less than Christendom's churches. (look
at
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You set the bar very low, don't you? "God's organisation" is OK as
long
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as it does not have a worse child abuse record than the Roman
Catholics,
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It is NEVER ok with child abuse. But any organization with millions of
members is going to have such ones. (example a handful of murdereers,
thieves, liars, adulters, etc, just like they had in the first
century)
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are not more ostentatiously greedy than the "Prosperity Gospel"
preachers, and doesn't make major changes in doctrine more than once or
twice a year.
Upgrading oneself is supposed to occur continually with the true
religion. Prov 4:18,
But often "new light" is just what was rejected as "old light" a few
years ago.
Whatever you want to call it, the true religion is continually
upgrading. (Pr 4:18)
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And claiming that the end of the world was coming in 1914, 1925, 1975
... is hardly a great example of "Upgrading oneself".
On the contrary, what do they say today? They give no date, but say
according to the Bible we are in the 'last days'. The end will come
when the JW's complete Mt 24:14. (the Watchtower magazine on the cover
says, "ANNOUNCING JEHOVAH'S KINGDOM")
Will this be another virtual Kingdom, such as the one proclaimed in
1914?
What happened in 1914 fits the Bible's prophecy about the time of the
end. (see Matthew Chapter 24)
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Remember that the "overlapping generation" theory means that the
Governing Body have no deadline any more.
You seem to have a problem with the Governing Body. These are
spiritually qualified men to help Jesus guide the organization
Who qualified these jackasses like Geoffrey Jackson and David Splaine,
who can't even read their own Bible correctly?
-- Revised Standard
Acts 20:28 Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the
Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God
which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
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They claim to be "spiritually qualified" and that is all you need.
Negatrons. If one of them declared himself to be Jesus, we would not
believe him. Their actions define who they are.
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. The
Bible says they were picked by Holy Spirit.
The Bible says the Governing Body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract
Society were picked by Holy Spirit? Even you can't believe that!
I believe what the Bible says. (see the Scripture above)
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The Bible may say that the Disciples, or the Apostles, or the elders
were picked by the Holy Spirit about two thousand years ago, But who
says that the present Governing Body were so picked? The self-same eight
old men in New York.
And you take them at their word, which changes every few years.
Yes they are supposed to have things change occasionally. (see Pr 4:18
quoted above)
They are all just "roving about".
It might appear that way to you, but they see the overall picture of
the JW organization, and how Jesus, God, and the angels are helping
out.
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That is good enough for
me. But they still are imperfect humans, thus can commit wrongs.
occasionally.
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So the good news of God's kingdom is being preached world-wide.
And yet JW numbers world-wide are falling, according to their own data.
Please show me your data source of the JW data.
"The Increase We Get From 2019 to 2020: -0.6"
JW.org 2020 Service Report
"Newsroom Highlights From 2020 Service Year
The 2020 service year brought unparalleled challenges to the spiritual
activities of Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide. But these challenges also
revealed the determination of our brothers and sisters to maintain
loyalty and unity. The primary challenge stemmed from the COVID-19
pandemic, which created global disruptions on a scale not seen in
generations."
https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=2020+service+report
At least they are honest in their reporting a negative number.
But you would expect that in "the last days of the last days" people
would be flocking to "God's Organisation", not leaving.
You would expect that a deity that takes trouble to protect a bundle of
magazines in some un-named country would be able to protect his
followers from a mere virus.
This is not the time for miraculous healings of sick ones, and people
getting resurrected, and death being tossed away, and the whole earth
being made into a paradise. (Luke 23:43)
"This is not the time"?

Paradise has been delayed yet again?
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"But the path of the righteous is like the bright morning light That
grows brighter and brighter until full daylight."
We are near "full daylight" now.
No, the Governing Body is still making up stuff as it goes along. In
some cases it has had three different "new lights" on the same
theological question within a few years, ending back where they started.
See above where we are just about at the full daylight now.
You can keep saying that, while the Governing Body continue to tie
themselves in knots and numbers fall.
They are doing just fine, in showing love to all the brothers. They
are keeping abreast of the pandemic, and sharing their information.
Before the governments told us not to gather together in large crowds,
the JW organization stopped the door to door work, and told everyone
to stay home. They were wise and are helping to protect us.
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"District Overseer Bart Thompson held up a Society publication that had
a green cover. He then said to the assembly of elders [in Alabama] "If
the Society told me that this book was black instead of green, I would
say 'Y'know. I could have sworn that it was green, but if the Society
says it's black, then it's black'"
Please show me source of that statement so that I can verify its
truthfulness or non-truthfulness.
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"Crisis of Conscience" - former Governing Body Member Raymond Franz
And in what JW literature do we find "Crisis of Conscience"?
So you only accept JW literature as truth, not the writings of a long-
serving member (1971-1980) of the Governing Body? Surely Raymond Franz
was "picked by the Holy Spirit"?
Yes he was. And if he wrote things, I am sure they were showing up in
the literature.
It's Raymond Franz's autobiography.
Regularly the Governing Body tells people to destroy literature that has
been superseded. In fact any that shows that the doctrine has changed
and prophecies have failed.
I recall no such rule. Show me where that is at in the JW literature.
It comes in the form of "Elder's Letters"
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John Ritson