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** (fChrist) is indeed an utter disgrace ...
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-10 13:59:40 UTC
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http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Do we "cure" a missing gall bladder?
A missing gall bladder is evidence of cure.
We cure an **infected** gall bladder by removing it.
**emphasis** added

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/VaNUc6reB8I/We708l7uAAAJ
  That isn't a cure...
Actually it is.

"The main treatment for acute cholecystitis is surgery to remove the
gallbladder (cholecystectomy)." -- from WebMD

Reference:
https://WebMD.com/digestive-disorders/tc/cholecystitis-overview
it's a removal of an organ with a function ...
Actually, it's a necessary removal of a part of the body to prevent
death just as amputation of a severely infected (i.e. gangrenous) foot
is necessary.

May GOD continue to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) all who say/write otherwise
more than ever, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO !
And it is not 'more cursed', you are either cursed or not.
What is worse (John 5:14) than being cursed is being more cursed.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/FTit9IUlsqQ/pwF5KTxLBgAJ

Otoh, one is either eternally condemned or not.

You, Michael Christ, are eternally condemned for blaspheming against
the Holy Spirit.

eternally condemned and more cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) MC mindlessly
Exactly!
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/y75wkAs43xk/JCaE5Ul7AwAJ
"You will indeed be dead soon, Michael, from the sin of gluttony." --
Holy Spirit (John 5:14 and Proverbs 23:2)
May you eat what you bake.
And you certainly are.
"Indeed I am GOD." -- Holy Spirit (John 4:24)
"Indeed, Andrew will enjoy what he eats while you, Michael, will
continue to wither away." -- Holy Spirit (Mark 11:21)
First I am gluttony-ing away, now I am withering away.
The Holy Spirit is absolutely correct.

It is possible (Matthew 19:26) to wither away, under the curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) of GOD, while commiting the sin of gluttony as in the
tragic example of Mr. Bob Pastorio whom all have witnessed here on
Usenet firsthand.

The LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's day 9+
years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html
Make up your unsound mind, Andrew.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/y75wkAs43xk/Vdwth-a5AQAJ

Your writing here that the Holy Spirit is Andrew is blaspheming
against Him which is a sin that will not be forgiven.

This does mean that you, Michael, have lost your salvation and are now
eternally condemned by GOD. Ananias and Sapphira did lose their
salvation by lying before those who were in the Holy Spirit.

While now even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier in the Holy Spirit,
Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, I again pray (2 Chronicles
7:14) here that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are
eternally condemned, **and** your entire household more than ever for
the benefit of others thereby convincing them to trust the truth, Who
is Jesus Christ of Nazareth (John 14:6) --> http://T3WiJ.com Amen.

Laus DEO !

HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-10 14:35:32 UTC
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We know how you are..insane
Lie.
http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc Andrew wouldn't have an
http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense if he were insane.
For it is written at 2 Timothy 1:7 that the Holy Spirit is the
Spirit of a sound mind.
But Andrew Chung does not have a sound mind ...
Lie.
True according to the psychiatrist that examined you.
A lie does not become true through the mouth of a psychiatrist.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/ytnd2dAJBzI/T7vY1CXWBgAJ

Therefore ...

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your
father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his
native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." (John 8:44)

While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
8:3) us to hunger, I would **not** be able to always say/write that I
am wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in **all**
ways including especially caring to http://bit.ly/convince_it_forward
(John 15:12) if I did not have a sound mind.

It is those like you, who are afflicted with the "hunger is
starvation" (2 Kings 6:29) delusion (2 Thessalonians 2:11), who do not
have sound minds because of having brain-destroying
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue causes cancer too)
which is acquired from the consequential overeating.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/yAa7-mptNps/PmUluIFCCgAJ

While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit (Galatians
5:22-23), Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, I pray (2
Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who
are eternally condemned, more than ever by expanding His curse to your
entire **extended** household more than ever, in the name of Jesus
Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO !
Your advice led to the death of a child.
LIE.

It is this lie, which is from satan, that 2 lbs of daily food is not
enough that leads people, including children, to eat excess food and
die as a consequence because of their acquring something deadly.

This something deadly could possibly (Matthew 19:26) be, in the short
term, something like a brain amoeba if the excess food is tainted
because of coming from a dumpster as in the case of children running
away from parents to eat excess food, but in the long term,
disease&death-causing visceral adipose tissue (VAT) for others:

http://bit.ly/HeartVAT

The above is why it's written that LORD Jesus says satan is a mass
murderer. This also means that you, who are eternally condemned, in
being spreaders of satan's lies are accomplices to mass murder.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/aG3Q_X7mKSs/jT4xszbpCQAJ

While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit (Galatians
5:22-23), Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, I pray (2
Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who
are eternally condemned, more than ever by expanding His curse to your
entire **extended** household more than ever, in the name of Jesus
Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO !
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote starting with the "Subject line:"
"When GOD uses His disciples to crush (Romans 16:20) satan under our feet, we show it by referring to him in
small letters without any capital."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/igF3YWToG0k/M5-3Gl6kAgAJ
That only shows you as being in error.
The Holy Spirit is not error.
THat is correct! It is YOU Andrew Chung who are in error.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/igF3YWToG0k/D--eMGQ6CAAJ

Again, to write that someone, who is http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry
in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, is "in
error" is to call the Holy Spirit "error," thereby blaspheming against
Him.

Thus, you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) will continue to
blaspheme against Him.

While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit (Galatians
5:22-23), Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, I pray (2
Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who
are eternally condemned, more than ever by expanding His curse to your
entire **extended** household more than ever, in the name of Jesus
Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO !
Yes, they revoked his medical license.
Lie.
The medical license to be perfect (Matthew 5:48), instead of practice to overcome imperfection, issued
to http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc Andrew by the LORD, Who is the greatest (Luke 8:43) Physician, is irrevocable
by mere mortals who are http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) like http://bit.ly/BiblicalEsau Whom GOD
hates (Malachi 1:2-3)
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry
Just as Ananias and Sapphira did lose their salvation for lying before those of us, who are in the Holy Spirit,
Who is the Spirit of truth, for it is written that blaspheming (Mark 3:29) against the Holy Spirit will not be
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Forgiven ...
"You, Rod Eastman, have lost your salvation." -- Holy Spirit (Mk 3:29)
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/PWb_kE465gk/d5aI0PTUAwAJ
Yes Chung ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/1c7igXDc6zE/C3E3LmdIBwAJ

Your calling the Holy Spirit, Chung, is again blaspheming (Mark 3:29)
against Him.

While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit (Galatians
5:22-23), Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, I pray (2
Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who
are eternally condemned, more than ever by expanding His curse to your
entire **extended** household more than ever, in the name of Jesus
Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO !

This is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in danger
of losing their salvation, thereby becoming eternally condemned (Mark
3:29) just as had happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more
contemporaneously to Bob Pastorio.

The LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's day just
9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory to
GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us
right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the http://bit.ly/HeartVAT
from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-10 15:56:08 UTC
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https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/tNgymwKK4lg/Ohj2lTXEBAAJ
It was about Chung thinking that Matt was one of Debra Dee Freemans
socks.
LIE.

Proof:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/tNgymwKK4lg/4EoFt84dBgAJ
How that came about we have no idea but that is chung for you.
LIE.

Proof:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/tNgymwKK4lg/B4GHE0wVBgAJ
Thanks for the info.
I kill-filed chung a long time ago.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/tNgymwKK4lg/EhQBrr6VAwAJ

LIE.

Proof:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/tNgymwKK4lg/zxKzy45RBgAJ

... those who knowingly lie before those of us, who are in the Holy
Spirit, Who is the Spirit of Truth, will never be forgiven just as
Ananias and Sapphira will never be forgiven. Instead, they will be
cast into the lake of fire that is being prepared for satan and his
children to their eternal torment.

Knowingly lying before those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, is to blaspheme
(Mark 3:29) against Him.

The latter is a sin that will never be forgiven (Mark 3:29).

While http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes
(Deuteronomy 8:3) us to hunger, I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD
continues to curse (Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned,
more than ever by expanding His curse to also include your
**extended** household more than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of
Nazareth with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD. Amen.

Laus DEO !

HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-11 01:01:49 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/10/20 PatB tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

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Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-11 11:05:20 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/11/20 "Lucifer" tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-12 10:03:11 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/12/20 "Lucifer" tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-12 20:54:30 UTC
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Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/12/20 "Lucifer" haplessly vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-14 03:45:29 UTC
Reply
Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/13/20 "Lucifer" tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-15 08:51:56 UTC
Reply
Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/15/20 "Lucifer" tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-16 00:12:23 UTC
Reply
Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/15/20 "Lucifer" haplessly vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-16 06:21:58 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/16/20 "Lucifer" tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-17 18:32:35 UTC
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Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/17/20 "Lucifer" tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-18 10:37:26 UTC
Reply
Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/18/20 "Lucifer" tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-19 02:17:53 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/18/20 "Lucifer" haplessly vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-20 00:04:02 UTC
Reply
Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/19/20 "Lucifer" tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-20 08:38:02 UTC
Reply
Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/20/20 "Lucifer" tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-21 08:05:15 UTC
Reply
Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/21/20 "Lucifer" tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-21 12:10:48 UTC
Reply
Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/21/20 "Lucifer" haplessly vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6)
...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-11 12:08:32 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/11/20 PatB tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-12 17:06:05 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/12/20 PatB tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-13 14:02:52 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/13/20 PatB tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-13 15:45:15 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/13/20 PatB haplessly vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-14 00:10:03 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/13/20 PatB mindlessly vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-14 00:17:50 UTC
Reply
Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/13/20 PatB obsessively vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-14 13:01:08 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/14/20 PatB tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-15 14:04:07 UTC
Reply
Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/15/20 PatB tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-15 15:39:26 UTC
Reply
Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/15/20 PatB haplessly vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-15 16:41:58 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/15/20 Miloch tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-15 18:55:36 UTC
Reply
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** (fChrist) 02/15/20 Profanity is sin as explained here ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/ifvlyPnen1g/L2y4WSkjFwAJ
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-17 01:13:07 UTC
Reply
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** (fChrist) 02/16/20 Miloch tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-17 19:19:58 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/17/20 Miloch tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-16 21:51:21 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/16/20 PatB tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-17 13:14:14 UTC
Reply
Permalink
** (fChrist) 02/17/20 PatB tragically vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

+++
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

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Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-17 21:35:15 UTC
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** (fChrist) 02/17/20 PatB haplessly vainjangling (1 Tim 1:6) ...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/sIUAMh1z0_U/g95u5pkmBQAJ

Link to post explicating vainjangling by the eternally condemned:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/-xLGqnNjAAAJ

"Like a moth to flame, the eternally condemned tragically return to be
ever more cursed by GOD."

Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement at the continued fulfillment
of this prophecy as clearly demonstrated within the following USENET
threads:

(1) Link to thread titled "LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth is our #1
Example of being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI%5B1-25%5D

(2) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M

(3) Link to thread titled "A very very very simple definition of sin;"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/xunFWhan_AM

(4) Link to thread titled "The LORD says 'Blessed are you who hunger
now;'"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM

(5) Link to thread titled "Being wonderfully hungry like LORD Jesus;"

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/xPY1Uzl-ZNk/QeKLDNCpCwAJ

... for the continued benefit (Romans 8:28) of those of us who are
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry like GOD ( http://bit.ly/Lk2442 )
with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to the LORD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/pIZcsOCJBwAJ

Laus DEO !

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Bottom line:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/O23NguTslhI/h5lE-mr0DAAJ

<begin trichotomy>

(1) Born-again (John 3:3 & 5) humans - Folks who have GOD's Help (i.e.
Holy Spirit) to stop (John 5:14) sinning by being
http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungry (Philippians 4:12) **but** are still
able to choose via their own "free will" to be instead
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) trapped in the
entangling (Hebrews 12:1) deadly (i.e. killed immortals Adam&Eve) sin
of gluttony (Proverbs 23:2).

(2) Eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) humans - Folks who will never have
GOD's Help (i.e. Holy Spirit) to stop being
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) as evident by their
constant vainjangling (1 Timothy 1:6) about everything except how to
stop (John 5:14) sinning.

(3) Perishing humans - The remaining folks who may possibly (Matthew
19:26) become born-again (John 3:3 & 5) as new (2 Corinthians 5:17)
creatures in Christ.

<end trichotomy>

Suggested further reading:
http://T3WiJ.com

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Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/e4sW8dr44rM/NSkTJxvFBAAJ
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
LIE.

The color of my face in **not** visible here on USENET nor is the
color of my face red for those who can see me.
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Such are the lies coming from the lying pens of the
http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (Genesis 25:32) commentators.

That which is "spiritual" is independent of time so that there
would've been no reference to "now."

Therefore, the LORD is referring to physical hunger here instead of
the spiritual "hunger and thirst for righteousness" elsewhere in
Scripture.

Indeed, physical hunger can **not** coexist with physical thirst
because the latter results in the loss of saliva needed for physical
hunger.

It is when we hunger for food "now" (Luke 6:21a) that we are able to
eat food "now."

No such time constraints exist for "spiritual hunger."

Moreover, the perspective of Luke 6:21a through the eyes of a
physician (i.e. Dr. Luke) would be logically expected to be physical
instead of spiritual.

All glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD for His compelling you to
unwittingly demonstrate your ever worsening cognitive condition which
is tragically a consequence of His cursing (Jeremiah 17:5) you more
than ever.

Laus DEO !

+++

someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
(in a vain attempt to refute posts about being wonderfully hungry)
Psalms
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Indeed, receiving a mouthful (Psalm 81:10) of manna from GOD will only
make His http://HeartMDPhD.com/Redeemed want even more, so that we're
even http://bit.ly/wonderfully_hungrier with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD.

Laus DEO !
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of
the wicked is in need.
Indeed, the righteous know to be satisfied (Luke 6:21a) with an omer
(Exodus 16:16) of manna, while the wicked need (Proverbs 13:25) this
knowledge as evident by their eating until they are full (i.e.
satiated).
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Indeed, an omer (32 ounces per Revelation 6:6) of manna is plenty
(Joel 2:26) with all glory ( http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD and to
the shame of you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned.

Laus DEO ! !
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by
giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
In the interim, you, who are eternally (Mark 3:29) condemned, will
never be satisfied (Acts 14:17) because you are ever more cursed
(Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/uCPb3ldOv5M/KgM8NFKuAQAJ

+++
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.med.cardiology/mXmFD9kIocc/y8GNXircBQAJ
Actually, sin is **not** defined in 1 John 1:8-10
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing
status. He includes himself in that status.
John was a Jew instead of a Greek so there is really no reason to
think that Greek grammar is relevant here.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is
not in us.
John also wrote earlier at John 5:14 that LORD Jesus commands:

"Now stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." (John 5:14)

And, indeed, your being eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) & ever more
cursed (Jeremiah 17:5) by GOD, as evident by your ever worsening
cognitive deficits, is really worse.

Now again, here's how to really stop sinning as LORD Jesus commands
(John 5:14):

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/2-Qpn-o81J4/ldGubKEZAgAJ

While wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) in the Holy
Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) me to hunger right now (Luke
6:21a), I again pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that GOD continues to curse
(Jeremiah 17:5) you, who are eternally condemned (Mark 3:29), more
than ever in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Laus DEO ! ! !

Again, this is done in hopes of convincing all reading this to stop
being http://bit.ly/terribly_hungry (2 Kings 6:29) where all are in
danger of becoming eternally condemned (Mark 3:29) just as had
happened to Ananias and Sapphira and more contemporaneously to Bob
Pastorio.

Again, the LORD did strike down http://bit.ly/Bob_Pastorio on Fool's
day just 9+ years ago:

http://bobs-amanuensis.livejournal.com/8728.html

Again, this is done ...

http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewToutsHunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory (
http://bit.ly/Psalm117_ ) to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://bit.ly/HeartVAT from around the heart

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,


HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-17 23:14:56 UTC
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Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
James 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye
warmed and
filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are
needful to
the body; what doth it profit?
This is the one that destroys atheists.
Aren't you the fellow who votes for presidents who terminate food stamp
and housing programs?
that's smart. This man does not and is not, in the true Catholic
Church, under canon 2335. The new NOVUS ORDO witchery of freemasons,
is why. Also, the book of Exodus, and Leviticus. These people follow
the god Moloch, and are guilty of pornography, child molesting, and all
kinds of other items child trafficking, that have to do with children,
such as like the story
Hansel and Gretel, and very much so, all kinds of rapes of women as well
as the children. And they tell you, yee have to do this or else.
They are just like the Buddhist. And u can believe, God hates them.
And will put His Wrath on them. Its best, if you do not speak to them.
Duke dog vomit puke and his buddy PatB, are both on their way to hell,
and no one, can stop it. Not according to Jesus.
I am simply wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) and
hope you, Daniel, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
tired, but always hungry.
Source:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/6yfxs6k9kL4/-juYX4JzCgAJ

I remind you, Daniel, that it's really Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) always
knowing through our hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) that we're both being
blessed right now as it's written in the Gospels in red&white at Luke
6:21 and according to pure logic (healthy=wonderful & appetite=hunger)
and advises that you try to write that you're "wonderfully hungry"
since we've re-established here that you are:

So now how are you ?













...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
tesla sTinker
2020-02-17 23:58:41 UTC
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Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
James 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye
warmed and
filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are
needful to
the body; what doth it profit?
This is the one that destroys atheists.
Aren't you the fellow who votes for presidents who terminate food stamp
and housing programs?
that's smart. This man does not and is not, in the true Catholic
Church, under canon 2335. The new NOVUS ORDO witchery of freemasons,
is why. Also, the book of Exodus, and Leviticus. These people follow
the god Moloch, and are guilty of pornography, child molesting, and all
kinds of other items child trafficking, that have to do with children,
such as like the story
Hansel and Gretel, and very much so, all kinds of rapes of women as well
as the children. And they tell you, yee have to do this or else.
They are just like the Buddhist. And u can believe, God hates them.
And will put His Wrath on them. Its best, if you do not speak to them.
Duke dog vomit puke and his buddy PatB, are both on their way to hell,
and no one, can stop it. Not according to Jesus.
I am simply wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) and
hope you, Daniel, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
tired, but always hungry.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/6yfxs6k9kL4/-juYX4JzCgAJ
I remind you, Daniel, that it's really Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) always
knowing through our hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) that we're both being
blessed right now as it's written in the Gospels in red&white at Luke
6:21 and according to pure logic (healthy=wonderful& appetite=hunger)
and advises that you try to write that you're "wonderfully hungry"
So now how are you ?
need some of that invisible angel food, I think it would

need some of that invisible angel food, for i think it would
make me hungrier down here on earth. It is so sad, the Bible
is a big set of sacred books that explains anything, one would want
to know that is hungry about finding out. Even which signs God said
He would give to those that do love Him. Deuteronomy a very sacred
book, and should be looked upon as new testament not just old testament,
for the prophecy in there, (divine) are still happening today. The book
itself claims it rode in the arc with the Ten Commandments yes, the real
tablets. The heathens, are going to mars to start a real chase with
real people, after the poles of heaven. Of course, God makes the
comment, He will bring them back yes in this sacred book. But that is
because, it
is a mortal sin to leave the earth at all yes. And that is why, Novus
Ordo, has no sacraments. His Ultimatum. I certainly am glad, Im not as
stupid as the heathens are. For I will not go with them for any amount
of $$$$.... For everyone that disobeys to Him, has a payment to pay up.
The longer they do it, the more the larger the payment. Sure hopes
someone hears of my hunger to God. Those poles, are out there real far
away. And so are, the ten levels of God's Holy Heavens.

some, just never go to Heaven. it is a pain of ungodly proportion,
that they will have to suffer for ever. Thinking they can tell about,
what they cannot see. Very sad, when it is really there.
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
....because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
HeartDoc Andrew<><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
2020-02-18 00:20:37 UTC
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Post by tesla sTinker
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Post by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Indeed, being filled (Psalm 107:9) with an omer (Exodus 16:16) of
manna is a Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) thing while being satiated (i.e.
full) is evil.
James 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye
warmed and
filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are
needful to
the body; what doth it profit?
This is the one that destroys atheists.
Aren't you the fellow who votes for presidents who terminate food stamp
and housing programs?
that's smart. This man does not and is not, in the true Catholic
Church, under canon 2335. The new NOVUS ORDO witchery of freemasons,
is why. Also, the book of Exodus, and Leviticus. These people follow
the god Moloch, and are guilty of pornography, child molesting, and all
kinds of other items child trafficking, that have to do with children,
such as like the story
Hansel and Gretel, and very much so, all kinds of rapes of women as well
as the children. And they tell you, yee have to do this or else.
They are just like the Buddhist. And u can believe, God hates them.
And will put His Wrath on them. Its best, if you do not speak to them.
Duke dog vomit puke and his buddy PatB, are both on their way to hell,
and no one, can stop it. Not according to Jesus.
I am simply wonderfully hungry ( http://bit.ly/Philippians4_12 ) and
hope you, Daniel, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
tired, but always hungry.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.bible.prophecy/6yfxs6k9kL4/-juYX4JzCgAJ
I remind you, Daniel, that it's really Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6) always
knowing through our hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) that we're both being
blessed right now as it's written in the Gospels in red&white at Luke
6:21 and according to pure logic (healthy=wonderful& appetite=hunger)
and advise that you try to write that you're "wonderfully hungry"
So now how are you ?
need some of that invisible angel food, I think it would
need some of that invisible angel food, for i think it would
make me hungrier down here on earth. It is so sad, the Bible
is a big set of sacred books that explains anything, one would want
to know that is hungry about finding out. Even which signs God said
He would give to those that do love Him. Deuteronomy a very sacred
book, and should be looked upon as new testament not just old testament,
for the prophecy in there, (divine) are still happening today. The book
itself claims it rode in the arc with the Ten Commandments yes, the real
tablets. The heathens, are going to mars to start a real chase with
real people, after the poles of heaven. Of course, God makes the
comment, He will bring them back yes in this sacred book. But that is
because, it
is a mortal sin to leave the earth at all yes. And that is why, Novus
Ordo, has no sacraments. His Ultimatum. I certainly am glad, Im not as
stupid as the heathens are. For I will not go with them for any amount
of $$$$.... For everyone that disobeys to Him, has a payment to pay up.
The longer they do it, the more the larger the payment. Sure hopes
someone hears of my hunger to God. Those poles, are out there real far
away. And so are, the ten levels of God's Holy Heavens.
some, just never go to Heaven. it is a pain of ungodly proportion,
that they will have to suffer for ever. Thinking they can tell about,
what they cannot see. Very sad, when it is really there.
Again, I advise that you, Daniel, really try to write that you're
"wonderfully hungry" since we've re-established here that you are:

So now again, how are you ?









...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

HeartDoc Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist with an http://bit.ly/EternalMedicalLicense
2016 & upwards non-partisan candidate for U.S. President:
http://bit.ly/WonderfullyHungryPresident
and author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://bit.ly/HeartDocAndrewCare
which is the only **healthy** cure for the U.S. healthcare crisis
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-18 02:54:06 UTC
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Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?


Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Rod B
2020-02-18 02:58:46 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
Robert
2020-02-18 04:44:15 UTC
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Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.

The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.

Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people know
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same today
as yesterday even along the laws of men.

Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of the
Mosaic Covenants?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Rod B
2020-02-18 13:41:29 UTC
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Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people know
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same today
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of the
Mosaic Covenants?
I'm not under them in any fashion. I'm big enough and healthy enough
to do what I feel I need to do. No one gets in my way or my face,
but having said that I am also a very peaceful person, but I will be
no ones slave.
Robert
2020-02-18 21:49:51 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people know
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same today
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of the
Mosaic Covenants?
I'm not under them in any fashion. I'm big enough and healthy enough
to do what I feel I need to do. No one gets in my way or my face,
but having said that I am also a very peaceful person, but I will be
no ones slave.
In the OT it seems that the word servant and slave where often used
interchangeably.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-18 13:46:53 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people know
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same today
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of the
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
Robert
2020-02-18 21:56:16 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.

I think you missed the point.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people know
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same today
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of the
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric. as to Arty/Joe I see none
of their posts, maybe they post to a group other than ACC?

There have been many Covenants. One Law, outside of Judaism is the Law
about men killing men, it is a Noahide covenant.

And look today how crime is always running rampant because of ultra
lite punishments
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Rod B
2020-02-18 23:40:59 UTC
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Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
I think you missed the point.
I knew that you would create a way to justify the killings,
but you don't kill anyone except to spare your life of the
life of another. You particulary don't kill children.

I'm not sorry to say that there are parts of the scripture
I hold in deep contempt.
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people know
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same today
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of the
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric. as to Arty/Joe I see none
of their posts, maybe they post to a group other than ACC?
There have been many Covenants. One Law, outside of Judaism is the Law
about men killing men, it is a Noahide covenant.
And look today how crime is always running rampant because of ultra
lite punishments
Miloch
2020-02-19 01:17:26 UTC
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Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
I think you missed the point.
I knew that you would create a way to justify the killings,
but you don't kill anyone except to spare your life of the
life of another. You particulary don't kill children.
I'm not sorry to say that there are parts of the scripture
I hold in deep contempt.
...it's either 'nuthin or all, Rodney. Ya can't pick and choose your sins.



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Patrick B
2020-02-20 10:26:37 UTC
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Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
I think you missed the point.
I knew that you would create a way to justify the killings,
but you don't kill anyone except to spare your life of the
life of another. You particulary don't kill children.
I'm not sorry to say that there are parts of the scripture
I hold in deep contempt.
...it's either 'nuthin or all, Rodney. Ya can't pick and choose your sins.
Christians are not "beholding" to the Old Testament.
Since it is a collection of history books, songs, proverbs, and
morals.
Robert
2020-02-19 02:36:35 UTC
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Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
I think you missed the point.
I knew that you would create a way to justify the killings,
but you don't kill anyone except to spare your life of the
life of another. You particulary don't kill children.
So if someone rapes your unwilling life, just let if go, eh?

If you have a belligerent cow or bull who attacks people, and kills
one of two, just let him go, eh?

If a man or woman kills another, and no one was there to stop them,
Just let it slide?
Post by Rod B
I'm not sorry to say that there are parts of the scripture
I hold in deep contempt.
Then I suggest you take it up with God and seek and answer or
understanding.
Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people know
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same today
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of the
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric. as to Arty/Joe I see none
of their posts, maybe they post to a group other than ACC?
There have been many Covenants. One Law, outside of Judaism is the Law
about men killing men, it is a Noahide covenant.
And look today how crime is always running rampant because of ultra
lite punishments
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Rod B
2020-02-19 02:50:48 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
I think you missed the point.
I knew that you would create a way to justify the killings,
but you don't kill anyone except to spare your life of the
life of another. You particulary don't kill children.
So if someone rapes your unwilling life, just let if go, eh?
Did you see me say that any where? It's obvious that you
kill first and interrogate the dead. You don't kill if you can
prevent doing so.
Post by Robert
If you have a belligerent cow or bull who attacks people, and kills
one of two, just let him go, eh?
I can see that you are short on experience.
Post by Robert
If a man or woman kills another, and no one was there to stop them,
Just let it slide?
Nope. Sort on answers and experience again, aren't ya?
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
I'm not sorry to say that there are parts of the scripture
I hold in deep contempt.
Then I suggest you take it up with God and seek and answer or
understanding.
It isn't God telling you to kill, it's you.
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people know
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same today
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of the
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric. as to Arty/Joe I see none
of their posts, maybe they post to a group other than ACC?
There have been many Covenants. One Law, outside of Judaism is the Law
about men killing men, it is a Noahide covenant.
And look today how crime is always running rampant because of ultra
lite punishments
Robert
2020-02-19 05:22:21 UTC
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Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
I think you missed the point.
I knew that you would create a way to justify the killings,
but you don't kill anyone except to spare your life of the
life of another. You particulary don't kill children.
So if someone rapes your unwilling life, just let if go, eh?
Did you see me say that any where? It's obvious that you
kill first and interrogate the dead. You don't kill if you can
prevent doing so.
AYUP, you just said killing is only justifiable except to spare a
life. Then you use the term children when the verse said a son. Common
sense would preclude killing a child going through the terrible two's.

Then this last statement of your's, kill first and interrogate the
dead? What's up with that?
Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
If you have a belligerent cow or bull who attacks people, and kills
one of two, just let him go, eh?
I can see that you are short on experience.
Not at all, but your stipulation is to kill nothing.
Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
If a man or woman kills another, and no one was there to stop them,
Just let it slide?
Nope. Sort on answers and experience again, aren't ya?
Well then what are you to do with no penalty?
Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
I'm not sorry to say that there are parts of the scripture
I hold in deep contempt.
Then I suggest you take it up with God and seek and answer or
understanding.
It isn't God telling you to kill, it's you.
That's a ridiculous thing to say.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-21 08:01:11 UTC
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Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
Robert says everything in the bible is acceptable.
That includes slavery, a slave master killing a slave if it is done
properly, killing homosexuals, running pregnant women through
with a sword, killing everything that moves, even thought crimes.

Robert let slip that he only accepts God's morality when it agrees
with his.
Robert
2020-02-21 08:42:06 UTC
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Post by Lucifer
Post by Rod B
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
Robert says everything in the bible is acceptable.
That includes slavery, a slave master killing a slave if it is done
properly, killing homosexuals, running pregnant women through
with a sword, killing everything that moves, even thought crimes.
Robert let slip that he only accepts God's morality when it agrees
with his.
Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not
in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a
lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-21 10:44:37 UTC
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 19:01:11 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Rod B
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
Robert says everything in the bible is acceptable.
That includes slavery, a slave master killing a slave if it is done
properly, killing homosexuals, running pregnant women through
with a sword, killing everything that moves, even thought crimes.
Robert let slip that he only accepts God's morality when it agrees
with his.
Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do.
This is a good passage to look at.
Post by Robert
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
How else could he be a murderer from the beginning unless God
made him that way?
Post by Robert
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar,
and the father of it. 
That is slander. God is the father of everything including lies.

Could you please ask God to ensure that everyone has adequate food
and fresh water? Thanks.
aaa
2020-02-21 15:52:11 UTC
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Post by Robert
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 19:01:11 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Rod B
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
Robert says everything in the bible is acceptable.
That includes slavery, a slave master killing a slave if it is done
properly, killing homosexuals, running pregnant women through
with a sword, killing everything that moves, even thought crimes.
Robert let slip that he only accepts God's morality when it agrees
with his.
Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do.
This is a good passage to look at.
Post by Robert
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him.
How else could he be a murderer from the beginning unless God
made him that way?
Post by Robert
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar,
and the father of it.
That is slander. God is the father of everything including lies.
That is a slander.
Post by Lucifer
Could you please ask God to ensure that everyone has adequate food
and fresh water? Thanks.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Patrick B
2020-02-20 10:28:24 UTC
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Post by Robert
So if someone rapes your unwilling life, just let if go, eh?
What did Jesus say to do?
Post by Robert
If you have a belligerent cow or bull who attacks people, and kills
one of two, just let him go, eh?
What did Jesus say to do?
Post by Robert
If a man or woman kills another, and no one was there to stop them,
Just let it slide?
What did Jesus say to do?
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
I'm not sorry to say that there are parts of the scripture
I hold in deep contempt.
Then I suggest you take it up with God and seek and answer or
understanding.
Ditto, buddy.
Robert
2020-02-20 19:41:31 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
So if someone rapes your unwilling life, just let if go, eh?
What did Jesus say to do?
The accusers all left, with no one left then how can she be accused?
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
If you have a belligerent cow or bull who attacks people, and kills
one of two, just let him go, eh?
What did Jesus say to do?
If the conditions were as stated in the OT, to kill him. Jesus never
disobeyed or countered the Mosaic Law even up to the time of His
death.
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
If a man or woman kills another, and no one was there to stop them,
Just let it slide?
What did Jesus say to do?
Same as above.
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
I'm not sorry to say that there are parts of the scripture
I hold in deep contempt.
Then I suggest you take it up with God and seek and answer or
understanding.
Ditto, buddy.
It is quite easy to see that you are without understanding.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Patrick B
2020-02-20 21:38:44 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
So if someone rapes your unwilling life, just let if go, eh?
What did Jesus say to do?
The accusers all left, with no one left then how can she be accused?
What accusers left?
Did your wife accuse some rapists and then she left?
ANd then you want to let it all go?
Is that how it works?
What would Jesus do or say?
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
If you have a belligerent cow or bull who attacks people, and kills
one of two, just let him go, eh?
What did Jesus say to do?
If the conditions were as stated in the OT, to kill him. Jesus never
disobeyed or countered the Mosaic Law even up to the time of His
death.
Well why do you ask what others will do?
Especially if you know Jesus wasn't there.
And God tells you to kill the bull?
So... what would you do?
Talk to yer god and get back to us.
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
If a man or woman kills another, and no one was there to stop them,
Just let it slide?
What did Jesus say to do?
Same as above.
Remember that you are the one who asked the stupid question.
Well why do you ask what others will do?
Especially if you know Jesus wasn't there.
And God tells you to kill the bull?
So... what would you do?
Talk to yer god and get back to us.
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
I'm not sorry to say that there are parts of the scripture
I hold in deep contempt.
Then I suggest you take it up with God and seek and answer or
understanding.
Ditto, buddy.
It is quite easy to see that you are without understanding.
Why don't you just insult me again?
You seem to have no problem in doing this.
After all, Jesus told me to turn my cheek.

But not you, cuz you bin saved.
Robert
2020-02-21 00:50:24 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Well why do you ask what others will do?
Especially if you know Jesus wasn't there.
And God tells you to kill the bull?
So... what would you do?
Talk to yer god and get back to us.
God said to kill that bull or any other animal that did the same. He
also said that men who murder should be killed.

I see you are in full troll mode.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Patrick B
2020-02-21 06:46:42 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Well why do you ask what others will do?
Especially if you know Jesus wasn't there.
And God tells you to kill the bull?
So... what would you do?
Talk to yer god and get back to us.
God said to kill that bull or any other animal that did the same. He
also said that men who murder should be killed.
That isn't what Jesus said.
Would you like a lesson?
Robert
2020-02-21 08:30:06 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Well why do you ask what others will do?
Especially if you know Jesus wasn't there.
And God tells you to kill the bull?
So... what would you do?
Talk to yer god and get back to us.
God said to kill that bull or any other animal that did the same. He
also said that men who murder should be killed.
That isn't what Jesus said.
Would you like a lesson?
Gen 9:5  And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the
hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the
hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. 
Gen 9:6  Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed:
for in the image of God made he man. 

Have you ever considered putting your brain in gear before you speak?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Ted
2020-02-21 09:30:03 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Well why do you ask what others will do?
Especially if you know Jesus wasn't there.
And God tells you to kill the bull?
So... what would you do?
Talk to yer god and get back to us.
God said to kill that bull or any other animal that did the same. He
also said that men who murder should be killed.
That isn't what Jesus said.
Would you like a lesson?
Gen 9:5  And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the
hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the
hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. 
for in the image of God made he man. 
Have you ever considered putting your brain in gear before you
speak?


Patrick is exactly right. Jesus didn't say it..
Patrick B
2020-02-21 13:22:09 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Well why do you ask what others will do?
Especially if you know Jesus wasn't there.
And God tells you to kill the bull?
So... what would you do?
Talk to yer god and get back to us.
God said to kill that bull or any other animal that did the same. He
also said that men who murder should be killed.
That isn't what Jesus said.
Would you like a lesson?
Gen 9:5  And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the
hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the
hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. 
for in the image of God made he man. 
Have you ever considered putting your brain in gear before you speak?
Where does it say that men who murder should be killed?

Are you really going to go with this answer?
Would you like to phone a friend?
Lucifer
2020-02-19 01:27:58 UTC
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
I think you missed the point.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people know
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same today
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of the
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric. as to Arty/Joe I see none
of their posts, maybe they post to a group other than ACC?
There have been many Covenants. One Law, outside of Judaism is the Law
about men killing men, it is a Noahide covenant.
And look today how crime is always running rampant because of ultra
lite punishments
God screwed up creation big time.
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-19 02:52:07 UTC
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Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.

How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people know
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same today
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of the
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric.
That is not an excuse. The moral codes
of the Hebrews should be shunned, not celebrated
as "God's Holy Word" and "Biblical family values"


as to Arty/Joe I see none
Post by Robert
of their posts, maybe they post to a group other than ACC?
There have been many Covenants. One Law, outside of Judaism is the Law
about men killing men, it is a Noahide covenant.
And look today how crime is always running rampant because of ultra
lite punishments
That is just backwards. As executions have
gone down so has the murder rate. States without
executions are safer than ones with it.

https://tinyurl.com/r3acl23
Robert
2020-02-19 06:00:41 UTC
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:52:07 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that the law of
the land was specific. You would also know that Cities, refuge Cities
were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were unjustly
accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in it there
would be no such places.
Post by Mitchell Holman
How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God and
Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?

You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if it
is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed
among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people know
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same today
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of the
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric.
That is not an excuse. The moral codes
of the Hebrews should be shunned, not celebrated
as "God's Holy Word" and "Biblical family values"
You are ignoring the simple Fact that is was a contract between God
and the Israelites who all voted on it. To be God's people.
Post by Mitchell Holman
as to Arty/Joe I see none
Post by Robert
of their posts, maybe they post to a group other than ACC?
There have been many Covenants. One Law, outside of Judaism is the Law
about men killing men, it is a Noahide covenant.
And look today how crime is always running rampant because of ultra
lite punishments
That is just backwards. As executions have
gone down so has the murder rate. States without
executions are safer than ones with it.
https://tinyurl.com/r3acl23
That shows a lot of disagreements.
The thing that is not mentioned is the inordinate amount of time taken
to carry out the death penalty. If the judgment was swift and sure as
in the old days people would be more inclined to not me so murderous.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-19 14:21:37 UTC
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Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:52:07 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that the law of
the land was specific. You would also know that Cities, refuge Cities
were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were unjustly
accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in it there
would be no such places.
Post by Mitchell Holman
How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God and
Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?
You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if it
is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed
among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Don't you find
the deliberate killing of innocent people to
be barbaric?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people know
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same today
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of the
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric.
That is not an excuse. The moral codes
of the Hebrews should be shunned, not celebrated
as "God's Holy Word" and "Biblical family values"
You are ignoring the simple Fact that is was a contract between God
and the Israelites who all voted on it. To be God's people.
By that standard the 9/11 attacks were
justified because they were just "carrying
out God's will".
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
as to Arty/Joe I see none
Post by Robert
of their posts, maybe they post to a group other than ACC?
There have been many Covenants. One Law, outside of Judaism is the Law
about men killing men, it is a Noahide covenant.
And look today how crime is always running rampant because of ultra
lite punishments
That is just backwards. As executions have
gone down so has the murder rate. States without
executions are safer than ones with it.
https://tinyurl.com/r3acl23
That shows a lot of disagreements.
The thing that is not mentioned is the inordinate amount of time taken
to carry out the death penalty. If the judgment was swift and sure as
in the old days people would be more inclined to not me so murderous.
1) Mass shooter George Lott was executed in
Texas just 2 years after his crime, it had no
effect on crime. Far from being deterred he was
caught when he barged into a TV studio and
BRAGGED about the shootings he had just carried
out.

2) Most murderers are committed in a heat
of passion where notions of conseguences do not
come into play. Deterrence is a myth as proven
by EVERY study to look at it.
https://tinyurl.com/knzjapf

3) Over 100 innocent men have been freed
from death rows just because they WEREN'T
quickly executed. Our justice system is FAR
from perfect and mistakes happen. Are you
really comfortable with executing innocents?
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence
Robert
2020-02-19 17:10:17 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:52:07 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that the law of
the land was specific. You would also know that Cities, refuge Cities
were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were unjustly
accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in it there
would be no such places.
Post by Mitchell Holman
How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God and
Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?
You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if it
is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed
among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Don't you find
the deliberate killing of innocent people to
be barbaric?
Yes, and it would be, but where are the innocents you speak of?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people
know
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same
today
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric.
That is not an excuse. The moral codes
of the Hebrews should be shunned, not celebrated
as "God's Holy Word" and "Biblical family values"
You are ignoring the simple Fact that is was a contract between God
and the Israelites who all voted on it. To be God's people.
By that standard the 9/11 attacks were
justified because they were just "carrying
out God's will".
That's ridiculous. Was America under shiria (sp) laws?
No. Same thing with people who killed Dr.'s and nurses in abortion
clinics who were "carrying out the will of God". First off in today's
world Jesus did not come to condemn people. We are living under a
period of Grace. Secondly if that person was RC, did he make sure
those he killed were under his same contract to the RCC?

And contrary to your opinions of who God is, the god of the Muslim is
not the Almighty God the one who saves and provides salvation to the
lost and needy that ask for it.

Same thing with your understanding that everyone who calls themselves
"Christian", are. JW's and Mormons both do that and even fool some of
their members with that nomenclature. And stuff like that is sad.

You make very little distinctions and throw many into the same pot
because you are not discriminating and so you would paint many with
the same broad brush which can only lead to confusion.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
as to Arty/Joe I see none
Post by Robert
of their posts, maybe they post to a group other than ACC?
There have been many Covenants. One Law, outside of Judaism is the
Law
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
about men killing men, it is a Noahide covenant.
And look today how crime is always running rampant because of ultra
lite punishments
That is just backwards. As executions have
gone down so has the murder rate. States without
executions are safer than ones with it.
https://tinyurl.com/r3acl23
That shows a lot of disagreements.
The thing that is not mentioned is the inordinate amount of time taken
to carry out the death penalty. If the judgment was swift and sure as
in the old days people would be more inclined to not me so murderous.
1) Mass shooter George Lott was executed in
Texas just 2 years after his crime, it had no
effect on crime. Far from being deterred he was
caught when he barged into a TV studio and
BRAGGED about the shootings he had just carried
out.
2) Most murderers are committed in a heat
of passion where notions of conseguences do not
come into play. Deterrence is a myth as proven
by EVERY study to look at it.
https://tinyurl.com/knzjapf
3) Over 100 innocent men have been freed
from death rows just because they WEREN'T
quickly executed. Our justice system is FAR
from perfect and mistakes happen. Are you
really comfortable with executing innocents?
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-19 18:56:42 UTC
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:52:07 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you
days
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that the law of
the land was specific. You would also know that Cities, refuge Cities
were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were unjustly
accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in it there
would be no such places.
Post by Mitchell Holman
How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God and
Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?
You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if it
is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed
among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Don't you find
the deliberate killing of innocent people to
be barbaric?
Yes, and it would be, but where are the innocents you speak of?
A few people practice a different religion
so EVERYONE in the town must die. Men, women,
children, even all the livestock. Where are
the innocents, you ask?
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people
know
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same
today
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric.
That is not an excuse. The moral codes
of the Hebrews should be shunned, not celebrated
as "God's Holy Word" and "Biblical family values"
You are ignoring the simple Fact that is was a contract between God
and the Israelites who all voted on it. To be God's people.
By that standard the 9/11 attacks were
justified because they were just "carrying
out God's will".
That's ridiculous.
Really? If you can justify the murder of
innocents because of a "contract between god
and his people" then so can followers of every
other religion, no?
Post by Robert
Was America under shiria (sp) laws?
No. Same thing with people who killed Dr.'s and nurses in abortion
clinics who were "carrying out the will of God". First off in today's
world Jesus did not come to condemn people. We are living under a
period of Grace. Secondly if that person was RC, did he make sure
those he killed were under his same contract to the RCC?
And contrary to your opinions of who God is, the god of the Muslim is
not the Almighty God the one who saves and provides salvation to the
lost and needy that ask for it.
Same thing with your understanding that everyone who calls themselves
"Christian", are. JW's and Mormons both do that and even fool some of
their members with that nomenclature. And stuff like that is sad.
You make very little distinctions and throw many into the same pot
because you are not discriminating and so you would paint many with
the same broad brush which can only lead to confusion.
The principle we are talking about is
committing murder because your religion
requires it. You endorse that, I don't.
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
as to Arty/Joe I see none
Post by Robert
of their posts, maybe they post to a group other than ACC?
There have been many Covenants. One Law, outside of Judaism is the
Law
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
about men killing men, it is a Noahide covenant.
And look today how crime is always running rampant because of ultra
lite punishments
That is just backwards. As executions have
gone down so has the murder rate. States without
executions are safer than ones with it.
https://tinyurl.com/r3acl23
That shows a lot of disagreements.
The thing that is not mentioned is the inordinate amount of time taken
to carry out the death penalty. If the judgment was swift and sure as
in the old days people would be more inclined to not me so murderous.
1) Mass shooter George Lott was executed in
Texas just 2 years after his crime, it had no
effect on crime. Far from being deterred he was
caught when he barged into a TV studio and
BRAGGED about the shootings he had just carried
out.
2) Most murderers are committed in a heat
of passion where notions of conseguences do not
come into play. Deterrence is a myth as proven
by EVERY study to look at it.
https://tinyurl.com/knzjapf
3) Over 100 innocent men have been freed
from death rows just because they WEREN'T
quickly executed. Our justice system is FAR
from perfect and mistakes happen. Are you
really comfortable with executing innocents?
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence
Robert
2020-02-19 20:11:30 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Robert
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 08:21:37 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:52:07 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you
days
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that the law
of
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
the land was specific. You would also know that Cities, refuge Cities
were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were
unjustly
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in it there
would be no such places.
Post by Mitchell Holman
How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God and
Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?
You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if it
is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed
among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Don't you find
the deliberate killing of innocent people to
be barbaric?
Yes, and it would be, but where are the innocents you speak of?
A few people practice a different religion
so EVERYONE in the town must die. Men, women,
children, even all the livestock. Where are
the innocents, you ask?
Mitchell, did you even bother reading the contextual scripture for
those circumstances?

And even with that aside, are they not honor bound to follow their
contractual obligations or move out of Israel?
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people
know
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same
today
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric.
That is not an excuse. The moral codes
of the Hebrews should be shunned, not celebrated
as "God's Holy Word" and "Biblical family values"
You are ignoring the simple Fact that is was a contract between God
and the Israelites who all voted on it. To be God's people.
By that standard the 9/11 attacks were
justified because they were just "carrying
out God's will".
That's ridiculous.
Really? If you can justify the murder of
innocents because of a "contract between god
and his people" then so can followers of every
other religion, no?
That is even more ridiculous. Tell me of any other religion that has a
binding contract with God. Either in that day or today.

When a person breaks the law are they innocent? Especially if they do
it willingly and with full knowledge?
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Was America under shiria (sp) laws?
No. Same thing with people who killed Dr.'s and nurses in abortion
clinics who were "carrying out the will of God". First off in today's
world Jesus did not come to condemn people. We are living under a
period of Grace. Secondly if that person was RC, did he make sure
those he killed were under his same contract to the RCC?
And contrary to your opinions of who God is, the god of the Muslim is
not the Almighty God the one who saves and provides salvation to the
lost and needy that ask for it.
Same thing with your understanding that everyone who calls themselves
"Christian", are. JW's and Mormons both do that and even fool some of
their members with that nomenclature. And stuff like that is sad.
You make very little distinctions and throw many into the same pot
because you are not discriminating and so you would paint many with
the same broad brush which can only lead to confusion.
The principle we are talking about is
committing murder because your religion
requires it. You endorse that, I don't.
No I don't. Your choice of words shows your bias, and unwillingness to
see things in their proper sense.

According to your reasoning a person who murdered someone and was
sentenced to death is now going to be "Murdered" by the state?

If that be the case then carry out your thought process. No one should
be sent to any Jail or Prison of any type because that person is being
held against their will and the state is the kidnapper.

Or are you the one who gets to be the arbiter of right and wrong?
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
as to Arty/Joe I see none
Post by Robert
of their posts, maybe they post to a group other than ACC?
There have been many Covenants. One Law, outside of Judaism is the
Law
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
about men killing men, it is a Noahide covenant.
And look today how crime is always running rampant because of ultra
lite punishments
That is just backwards. As executions have
gone down so has the murder rate. States without
executions are safer than ones with it.
https://tinyurl.com/r3acl23
That shows a lot of disagreements.
The thing that is not mentioned is the inordinate amount of time
taken
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
to carry out the death penalty. If the judgment was swift and sure as
in the old days people would be more inclined to not me so murderous.
1) Mass shooter George Lott was executed in
Texas just 2 years after his crime, it had no
effect on crime. Far from being deterred he was
caught when he barged into a TV studio and
BRAGGED about the shootings he had just carried
out.
2) Most murderers are committed in a heat
of passion where notions of conseguences do not
come into play. Deterrence is a myth as proven
by EVERY study to look at it.
https://tinyurl.com/knzjapf
3) Over 100 innocent men have been freed
from death rows just because they WEREN'T
quickly executed. Our justice system is FAR
from perfect and mistakes happen. Are you
really comfortable with executing innocents?
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-20 02:40:11 UTC
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 12:56:42 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 08:21:37 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:52:07 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you
days
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that the law
of
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
the land was specific. You would also know that Cities, refuge
Cities
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were
unjustly
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in it
there
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
would be no such places.
Post by Mitchell Holman
How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God and
Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?
You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if
it
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed
among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city
with
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Don't you find
the deliberate killing of innocent people to
be barbaric?
Yes, and it would be, but where are the innocents you speak of?
A few people practice a different religion
so EVERYONE in the town must die. Men, women,
children, even all the livestock. Where are
the innocents, you ask?
Mitchell, did you even bother reading the contextual scripture for
those circumstances?
And even with that aside, are they not honor bound to follow their
contractual obligations or move out of Israel?
What "contractual obligation"?

And even they DID commit some "sin" why
kill every man, woman, child and animal in
the whole town over it?

They are INNOCENT of the blasphemy, no?
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people
know
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same
today
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all of
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric.
That is not an excuse. The moral codes
of the Hebrews should be shunned, not celebrated
as "God's Holy Word" and "Biblical family values"
You are ignoring the simple Fact that is was a contract between God
and the Israelites who all voted on it. To be God's people.
By that standard the 9/11 attacks were
justified because they were just "carrying
out God's will".
That's ridiculous.
Really? If you can justify the murder of
innocents because of a "contract between god
and his people" then so can followers of every
other religion, no?
That is even more ridiculous. Tell me of any other religion that has a
binding contract with God. Either in that day or today.
When a person breaks the law are they innocent? Especially if they do
it willingly and with full knowledge?
You are missing the point. If a person
breaks the law does justify killing his wife,
his children, his neighbors, and people he
doesn't even know?
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Was America under shiria (sp) laws?
No. Same thing with people who killed Dr.'s and nurses in abortion
clinics who were "carrying out the will of God". First off in today's
world Jesus did not come to condemn people. We are living under a
period of Grace. Secondly if that person was RC, did he make sure
those he killed were under his same contract to the RCC?
And contrary to your opinions of who God is, the god of the Muslim is
not the Almighty God the one who saves and provides salvation to the
lost and needy that ask for it.
Same thing with your understanding that everyone who calls themselves
"Christian", are. JW's and Mormons both do that and even fool some of
their members with that nomenclature. And stuff like that is sad.
You make very little distinctions and throw many into the same pot
because you are not discriminating and so you would paint many with
the same broad brush which can only lead to confusion.
The principle we are talking about is
committing murder because your religion
requires it. You endorse that, I don't.
No I don't. Your choice of words shows your bias, and unwillingness to
see things in their proper sense.
According to your reasoning a person who murdered someone and was
sentenced to death is now going to be "Murdered" by the state?
Actually yes. But that is not what we are
talking about.
Post by Robert
If that be the case then carry out your thought process. No one should
be sent to any Jail or Prison of any type because that person is being
held against their will and the state is the kidnapper.
Or are you the one who gets to be the arbiter of right and wrong?
In a democracy, yes, the public DOES have
an indirect role in determining right and wrong.
And in NO democracy is the state allowed to
knowingly execute innocent people.

And that is what we are talking about -
the Bible is FULL of instances of god and his
followers killing innocent people.

Why do you find that acceptable?
Robert
2020-02-20 05:24:06 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Robert
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 08:21:37 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 20:52:07 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 07:46:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written
in
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you
days
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that the law
of
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
the land was specific. You would also know that Cities, refuge
Cities
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were
unjustly
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in it
there
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
would be no such places.
Post by Mitchell Holman
How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God and
Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?
You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if
it
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is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed
among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city
with
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the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Don't you find
the deliberate killing of innocent people to
be barbaric?
Yes, and it would be, but where are the innocents you speak of?
A few people practice a different religion
so EVERYONE in the town must die. Men, women,
children, even all the livestock. Where are
the innocents, you ask?
Mitchell, did you even bother reading the contextual scripture for
those circumstances?
And even with that aside, are they not honor bound to follow their
contractual obligations or move out of Israel?
What "contractual obligation"?
The Mosaic Law.
Post by Mitchell Holman
And even they DID commit some "sin" why
kill every man, woman, child and animal in
the whole town over it?
Read the verse again, plus the surrounding verses, then we can discuss
it more clearly and intellectually.
Post by Mitchell Holman
They are INNOCENT of the blasphemy, no?
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Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
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In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when people
know
Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same
today
Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all
of
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric.
That is not an excuse. The moral codes
of the Hebrews should be shunned, not celebrated
as "God's Holy Word" and "Biblical family values"
You are ignoring the simple Fact that is was a contract between God
and the Israelites who all voted on it. To be God's people.
By that standard the 9/11 attacks were
justified because they were just "carrying
out God's will".
That's ridiculous.
Really? If you can justify the murder of
innocents because of a "contract between god
and his people" then so can followers of every
other religion, no?
That is even more ridiculous. Tell me of any other religion that has a
binding contract with God. Either in that day or today.
When a person breaks the law are they innocent? Especially if they do
it willingly and with full knowledge?
You are missing the point. If a person
breaks the law does justify killing his wife,
his children, his neighbors, and people he
doesn't even know?
You are presuming much and not verifying anything that you dream up.
Since you brought up the scripture to discuss how about you reading
the pertinent verses surrounding it to see what the confines of the
context is, then let's discuss it so we are on the same page
intellectually.
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Post by Robert
Was America under shiria (sp) laws?
No. Same thing with people who killed Dr.'s and nurses in abortion
clinics who were "carrying out the will of God". First off in today's
world Jesus did not come to condemn people. We are living under a
period of Grace. Secondly if that person was RC, did he make sure
those he killed were under his same contract to the RCC?
And contrary to your opinions of who God is, the god of the Muslim is
not the Almighty God the one who saves and provides salvation to the
lost and needy that ask for it.
Same thing with your understanding that everyone who calls themselves
"Christian", are. JW's and Mormons both do that and even fool some of
their members with that nomenclature. And stuff like that is sad.
You make very little distinctions and throw many into the same pot
because you are not discriminating and so you would paint many with
the same broad brush which can only lead to confusion.
The principle we are talking about is
committing murder because your religion
requires it. You endorse that, I don't.
No I don't. Your choice of words shows your bias, and unwillingness to
see things in their proper sense.
According to your reasoning a person who murdered someone and was
sentenced to death is now going to be "Murdered" by the state?
Actually yes. But that is not what we are
talking about.
Well then, with all due respect you must understand what I know about
killing and murder as being two different things, And I can understand
that you murder the fish you catch to eat, or animals that you hunt,
any flesh that you eat as all the vegetables you eat, except for
Fruits. So I guess you should be locked up for the rest of your...
life? ;)
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Post by Robert
If that be the case then carry out your thought process. No one should
be sent to any Jail or Prison of any type because that person is being
held against their will and the state is the kidnapper.
Or are you the one who gets to be the arbiter of right and wrong?
In a democracy, yes, the public DOES have
an indirect role in determining right and wrong.
And in NO democracy is the state allowed to
knowingly execute innocent people.
Same with God, in regards to killing innocent people.
Post by Mitchell Holman
And that is what we are talking about -
the Bible is FULL of instances of god and his
followers killing innocent people.
Why do you find that acceptable?
Why do you presume to be correct. You, as I recall, gave five verses
as your basis for this type of thinking. In all cases the peoples
guilt was pointed out. And I pointed out that fact to you with no
further response from you. Now here you are again, presenting the same
presumptions without proof of it. And in this particular thread you
consistently refuse to fully read the subject your brought up so that
we can discuss this properly. So how about you doing a little homework
so that you can justify your position or at least understand what the
law said and how it was to be administered?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Mitchell Holman
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Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written
in
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the
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Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer,
a
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fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you
days
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might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that the
law
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of
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Post by Robert
the land was specific. You would also know that Cities, refuge
Cities
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Post by Robert
were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were
unjustly
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Post by Robert
accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in it
there
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would be no such places.
Post by Mitchell Holman
How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God and
Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?
You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And if
it
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed
among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city
with
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it
and
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Don't you find
the deliberate killing of innocent people to
be barbaric?
Yes, and it would be, but where are the innocents you speak of?
A few people practice a different religion
so EVERYONE in the town must die. Men, women,
children, even all the livestock. Where are
the innocents, you ask?
Mitchell, did you even bother reading the contextual scripture for
those circumstances?
And even with that aside, are they not honor bound to follow their
contractual obligations or move out of Israel?
What "contractual obligation"?
The Mosaic Law.
Post by Mitchell Holman
And even they DID commit some "sin" why
kill every man, woman, child and animal in
the whole town over it?
Read the verse again, plus the surrounding verses, then we can discuss
it more clearly and intellectually.
I respect your Bible knowledge, if you
think there are "surrounding verses" that
justify the killing of innocents post them
for us.
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They are INNOCENT of the blasphemy, no?
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Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it served?
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when
people
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
know
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the same
today
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all
of
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric.
That is not an excuse. The moral codes
of the Hebrews should be shunned, not celebrated
as "God's Holy Word" and "Biblical family values"
You are ignoring the simple Fact that is was a contract between
God
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
and the Israelites who all voted on it. To be God's people.
By that standard the 9/11 attacks were
justified because they were just "carrying
out God's will".
That's ridiculous.
Really? If you can justify the murder of
innocents because of a "contract between god
and his people" then so can followers of every
other religion, no?
That is even more ridiculous. Tell me of any other religion that has a
binding contract with God. Either in that day or today.
When a person breaks the law are they innocent? Especially if they do
it willingly and with full knowledge?
You are missing the point. If a person
breaks the law does justify killing his wife,
his children, his neighbors, and people he
doesn't even know?
You are presuming much and not verifying anything that you dream up.
Since you brought up the scripture to discuss how about you reading
the pertinent verses surrounding it to see what the confines of the
context is, then let's discuss it so we are on the same page
intellectually.
See my answer above.
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Was America under shiria (sp) laws?
No. Same thing with people who killed Dr.'s and nurses in abortion
clinics who were "carrying out the will of God". First off in
today's
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
world Jesus did not come to condemn people. We are living under a
period of Grace. Secondly if that person was RC, did he make sure
those he killed were under his same contract to the RCC?
And contrary to your opinions of who God is, the god of the Muslim
is
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
not the Almighty God the one who saves and provides salvation to the
lost and needy that ask for it.
Same thing with your understanding that everyone who calls
themselves
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
"Christian", are. JW's and Mormons both do that and even fool some
of
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
their members with that nomenclature. And stuff like that is sad.
You make very little distinctions and throw many into the same pot
because you are not discriminating and so you would paint many with
the same broad brush which can only lead to confusion.
The principle we are talking about is
committing murder because your religion
requires it. You endorse that, I don't.
No I don't. Your choice of words shows your bias, and unwillingness to
see things in their proper sense.
According to your reasoning a person who murdered someone and was
sentenced to death is now going to be "Murdered" by the state?
Actually yes. But that is not what we are
talking about.
Well then, with all due respect you must understand what I know about
killing and murder as being two different things, And I can understand
that you murder the fish you catch to eat, or animals that you hunt,
any flesh that you eat as all the vegetables you eat, except for
Fruits. So I guess you should be locked up for the rest of your...
life? ;)
I assumed you believe the killing
of innocent people to be murder like the
rest of us.
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
If that be the case then carry out your thought process. No one should
be sent to any Jail or Prison of any type because that person is being
held against their will and the state is the kidnapper.
Or are you the one who gets to be the arbiter of right and wrong?
In a democracy, yes, the public DOES have
an indirect role in determining right and wrong.
And in NO democracy is the state allowed to
knowingly execute innocent people.
Same with God, in regards to killing innocent people.
Post by Mitchell Holman
And that is what we are talking about -
the Bible is FULL of instances of god and his
followers killing innocent people.
Why do you find that acceptable?
Why do you presume to be correct. You, as I recall, gave five verses
as your basis for this type of thinking. In all cases the peoples
guilt was pointed out.
Where is the "people's guilt" when a
whole town is killed? Even the children
are killed, where is their guilt?
Post by Robert
And I pointed out that fact to you with no
further response from you. Now here you are again, presenting the same
presumptions without proof of it. And in this particular thread you
consistently refuse to fully read the subject your brought up so that
we can discuss this properly. So how about you doing a little homework
so that you can justify your position or at least understand what the
law said and how it was to be administered?
If have seen enough of the "The Bible
proves me right, look it up yourself" from
Patrick and Duke and Arty/Joe, I was rather
expecting more from you.
Robert
2020-02-20 19:57:55 UTC
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Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written
in
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Rod B
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer,
a
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that
you
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
days
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that the
law
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
of
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
the land was specific. You would also know that Cities, refuge
Cities
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were
unjustly
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in it
there
Post by Robert
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would be no such places.
Post by Mitchell Holman
How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God and
Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?
You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And
if
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
it
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was committed
among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city
with
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it
and
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Don't you find
the deliberate killing of innocent people to
be barbaric?
Yes, and it would be, but where are the innocents you speak of?
A few people practice a different religion
so EVERYONE in the town must die. Men, women,
children, even all the livestock. Where are
the innocents, you ask?
Mitchell, did you even bother reading the contextual scripture for
those circumstances?
And even with that aside, are they not honor bound to follow their
contractual obligations or move out of Israel?
What "contractual obligation"?
The Mosaic Law.
Post by Mitchell Holman
And even they DID commit some "sin" why
kill every man, woman, child and animal in
the whole town over it?
Read the verse again, plus the surrounding verses, then we can discuss
it more clearly and intellectually.
I respect your Bible knowledge, if you
think there are "surrounding verses" that
justify the killing of innocents post them
for us.
And I you as well, however I expected you to be more thorough in your
accusations. Rather then throwing out snippets as truth, like many of
your colleagues.

Here is the full part of that Law.

Deu 13:6  "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your
daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own
soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,'
which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 
Deu 13:7  of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to
you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of
the earth, 
Deu 13:8  you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall
your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 
Deu 13:9  but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first
against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the
people. 
Deu 13:10  And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because
he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you
out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 
Deu 13:11  So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such
wickedness as this among you. 
Deu 13:12  "If you hear someone in one of your cities, which the LORD
your God gives you to dwell in, saying, 
Deu 13:13  'Corrupt men have gone out from among you and enticed the
inhabitants of their city, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods"
'—which you have not known— 
Deu 13:14  then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And
if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was
committed among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
Deu 13:16  And you shall gather all its plunder into the middle of the
street, and completely burn with fire the city and all its plunder,
for the LORD your God. It shall be a heap forever; it shall not be
built again. 
Deu 13:17  So none of the accursed things shall remain in your hand,
that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of His anger and show you
mercy, have compassion on you and multiply you, just as He swore to
your fathers, 
Deu 13:18  because you have listened to the voice of the LORD your
God, to keep all His commandments which I command you today, to do
what is right in the eyes of the LORD your God. 
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They are INNOCENT of the blasphemy, no?
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Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it
served?
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Post by Robert
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In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when
people
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
know
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the
same
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
today
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning all
of
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
the
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric.
That is not an excuse. The moral codes
of the Hebrews should be shunned, not celebrated
as "God's Holy Word" and "Biblical family values"
You are ignoring the simple Fact that is was a contract between
God
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
and the Israelites who all voted on it. To be God's people.
By that standard the 9/11 attacks were
justified because they were just "carrying
out God's will".
That's ridiculous.
Really? If you can justify the murder of
innocents because of a "contract between god
and his people" then so can followers of every
other religion, no?
That is even more ridiculous. Tell me of any other religion that has
a
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
binding contract with God. Either in that day or today.
When a person breaks the law are they innocent? Especially if they do
it willingly and with full knowledge?
You are missing the point. If a person
breaks the law does justify killing his wife,
his children, his neighbors, and people he
doesn't even know?
You are presuming much and not verifying anything that you dream up.
Since you brought up the scripture to discuss how about you reading
the pertinent verses surrounding it to see what the confines of the
context is, then let's discuss it so we are on the same page
intellectually.
See my answer above.
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Was America under shiria (sp) laws?
No. Same thing with people who killed Dr.'s and nurses in abortion
clinics who were "carrying out the will of God". First off in
today's
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world Jesus did not come to condemn people. We are living under a
period of Grace. Secondly if that person was RC, did he make sure
those he killed were under his same contract to the RCC?
And contrary to your opinions of who God is, the god of the Muslim
is
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not the Almighty God the one who saves and provides salvation to
the
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lost and needy that ask for it.
Same thing with your understanding that everyone who calls
themselves
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"Christian", are. JW's and Mormons both do that and even fool some
of
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their members with that nomenclature. And stuff like that is sad.
You make very little distinctions and throw many into the same pot
because you are not discriminating and so you would paint many with
the same broad brush which can only lead to confusion.
The principle we are talking about is
committing murder because your religion
requires it. You endorse that, I don't.
No I don't. Your choice of words shows your bias, and unwillingness
to
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see things in their proper sense.
According to your reasoning a person who murdered someone and was
sentenced to death is now going to be "Murdered" by the state?
Actually yes. But that is not what we are
talking about.
Well then, with all due respect you must understand what I know about
killing and murder as being two different things, And I can understand
that you murder the fish you catch to eat, or animals that you hunt,
any flesh that you eat as all the vegetables you eat, except for
Fruits. So I guess you should be locked up for the rest of your...
life? ;)
I assumed you believe the killing
of innocent people to be murder like the
rest of us.
Of course, as I have previously stated.
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If that be the case then carry out your thought process. No one
should
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be sent to any Jail or Prison of any type because that person is
being
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held against their will and the state is the kidnapper.
Or are you the one who gets to be the arbiter of right and wrong?
In a democracy, yes, the public DOES have
an indirect role in determining right and wrong.
And in NO democracy is the state allowed to
knowingly execute innocent people.
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Same with God, in regards to killing innocent people.
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And that is what we are talking about -
the Bible is FULL of instances of god and his
followers killing innocent people.
Why do you find that acceptable?
Why do you presume to be correct. You, as I recall, gave five verses
as your basis for this type of thinking. In all cases the peoples
guilt was pointed out.
Where is the "people's guilt" when a
whole town is killed? Even the children
are killed, where is their guilt?
Like you said, see above.
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And I pointed out that fact to you with no
further response from you. Now here you are again, presenting the same
presumptions without proof of it. And in this particular thread you
consistently refuse to fully read the subject your brought up so that
we can discuss this properly. So how about you doing a little homework
so that you can justify your position or at least understand what the
law said and how it was to be administered?
If have seen enough of the "The Bible
proves me right, look it up yourself" from
Patrick and Duke and Arty/Joe, I was rather
expecting more from you.
I was also expecting more of you, likewise, which is why I asked you
to look at what you quoted, in context, rather than just pulling out
verses and excluding the total picture.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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Where is the "people's guilt" when a
whole town is killed? Even the children
are killed, where is their guilt?
Like you said, see above.
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If have seen enough of the "The Bible
proves me right, look it up yourself" from
Patrick and Duke and Arty/Joe, I was rather
expecting more from you.
I was also expecting more of you, likewise, which is why I asked you
to look at what you quoted, in context, rather than just pulling out
verses and excluding the total picture.
Why don't you just insult his intelligence?
You like to do that, don't you?

When will you apologize for your insults?
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Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as
written
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in
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the
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Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a
murderer,
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a
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fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that
you
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days
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might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that the
law
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of
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the land was specific. You would also know that Cities, refuge
Cities
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were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were
unjustly
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accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in it
there
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would be no such places.
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How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God and
Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?
You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And
if
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it
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is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was
committed
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among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that
city
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with
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the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it
and
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its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Don't you find
the deliberate killing of innocent people to
be barbaric?
Yes, and it would be, but where are the innocents you speak of?
A few people practice a different religion
so EVERYONE in the town must die. Men, women,
children, even all the livestock. Where are
the innocents, you ask?
Mitchell, did you even bother reading the contextual scripture for
those circumstances?
And even with that aside, are they not honor bound to follow their
contractual obligations or move out of Israel?
What "contractual obligation"?
The Mosaic Law.
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And even they DID commit some "sin" why
kill every man, woman, child and animal in
the whole town over it?
Read the verse again, plus the surrounding verses, then we can discuss
it more clearly and intellectually.
I respect your Bible knowledge, if you
think there are "surrounding verses" that
justify the killing of innocents post them
for us.
And I you as well, however I expected you to be more thorough in your
accusations. Rather then throwing out snippets as truth, like many of
your colleagues.
Here is the full part of that Law.
Deu 13:6  "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your
daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own
soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,'
which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 
Deu 13:7  of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to
you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of
the earth, 
Deu 13:8  you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall
your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 
Deu 13:9  but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first
against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the
people. 
Deu 13:10  And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because
he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you
out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 
Deu 13:11  So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such
wickedness as this among you. 
Deu 13:12  "If you hear someone in one of your cities, which the LORD
your God gives you to dwell in, saying, 
Deu 13:13  'Corrupt men have gone out from among you and enticed the
inhabitants of their city, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods"
'—which you have not known— 
Deu 13:14  then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And
if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was
committed among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Every living being
in the town must be killed because a few of them
chose a different religion.

Why do you find that acceptable?
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Deu 13:16  And you shall gather all its plunder into the middle of the
street, and completely burn with fire the city and all its plunder,
for the LORD your God. It shall be a heap forever; it shall not be
built again. 
Deu 13:17  So none of the accursed things shall remain in your hand,
that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of His anger and show you
mercy, have compassion on you and multiply you, just as He swore to
your fathers, 
Deu 13:18  because you have listened to the voice of the LORD your
God, to keep all His commandments which I command you today, to do
what is right in the eyes of the LORD your God. 
Note the lack of any text about "seek out
the offenders and punish them". It flatly states
that EVERYONE in the village must die.
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They are INNOCENT of the blasphemy, no?
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Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it
served?
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In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when
people
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know
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it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the
same
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today
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as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning
all
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of
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the
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Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric.
That is not an excuse. The moral codes
of the Hebrews should be shunned, not celebrated
as "God's Holy Word" and "Biblical family values"
You are ignoring the simple Fact that is was a contract between
God
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and the Israelites who all voted on it. To be God's people.
By that standard the 9/11 attacks were
justified because they were just "carrying
out God's will".
That's ridiculous.
Really? If you can justify the murder of
innocents because of a "contract between god
and his people" then so can followers of every
other religion, no?
That is even more ridiculous. Tell me of any other religion that has
a
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binding contract with God. Either in that day or today.
When a person breaks the law are they innocent? Especially if they
do
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it willingly and with full knowledge?
You are missing the point. If a person
breaks the law does justify killing his wife,
his children, his neighbors, and people he
doesn't even know?
You are presuming much and not verifying anything that you dream up.
Since you brought up the scripture to discuss how about you reading
the pertinent verses surrounding it to see what the confines of the
context is, then let's discuss it so we are on the same page
intellectually.
See my answer above.
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Was America under shiria (sp) laws?
No. Same thing with people who killed Dr.'s and nurses in abortion
clinics who were "carrying out the will of God". First off in
today's
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world Jesus did not come to condemn people. We are living under a
period of Grace. Secondly if that person was RC, did he make sure
those he killed were under his same contract to the RCC?
And contrary to your opinions of who God is, the god of the Muslim
is
Post by Mitchell Holman
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not the Almighty God the one who saves and provides salvation to
the
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Post by Robert
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lost and needy that ask for it.
Same thing with your understanding that everyone who calls
themselves
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"Christian", are. JW's and Mormons both do that and even fool some
of
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their members with that nomenclature. And stuff like that is sad.
You make very little distinctions and throw many into the same pot
because you are not discriminating and so you would paint many
with
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the same broad brush which can only lead to confusion.
The principle we are talking about is
committing murder because your religion
requires it. You endorse that, I don't.
No I don't. Your choice of words shows your bias, and unwillingness
to
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see things in their proper sense.
According to your reasoning a person who murdered someone and was
sentenced to death is now going to be "Murdered" by the state?
Actually yes. But that is not what we are
talking about.
Well then, with all due respect you must understand what I know about
killing and murder as being two different things, And I can
understand
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that you murder the fish you catch to eat, or animals that you hunt,
any flesh that you eat as all the vegetables you eat, except for
Fruits. So I guess you should be locked up for the rest of your...
life? ;)
I assumed you believe the killing
of innocent people to be murder like the
rest of us.
Of course, as I have previously stated.
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If that be the case then carry out your thought process. No one
should
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be sent to any Jail or Prison of any type because that person is
being
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held against their will and the state is the kidnapper.
Or are you the one who gets to be the arbiter of right and wrong?
In a democracy, yes, the public DOES have
an indirect role in determining right and wrong.
And in NO democracy is the state allowed to
knowingly execute innocent people.
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Same with God, in regards to killing innocent people.
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And that is what we are talking about -
the Bible is FULL of instances of god and his
followers killing innocent people.
Why do you find that acceptable?
Why do you presume to be correct. You, as I recall, gave five verses
as your basis for this type of thinking. In all cases the peoples
guilt was pointed out.
Where is the "people's guilt" when a
whole town is killed? Even the children
are killed, where is their guilt?
Like you said, see above.
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And I pointed out that fact to you with no
further response from you. Now here you are again, presenting the same
presumptions without proof of it. And in this particular thread you
consistently refuse to fully read the subject your brought up so that
we can discuss this properly. So how about you doing a little homework
so that you can justify your position or at least understand what the
law said and how it was to be administered?
If have seen enough of the "The Bible
proves me right, look it up yourself" from
Patrick and Duke and Arty/Joe, I was rather
expecting more from you.
I was also expecting more of you, likewise, which is why I asked you
to look at what you quoted, in context, rather than just pulling out
verses and excluding the total picture.
The Bible verses we each cited are not
in conflict. Even your "surrounding text"
does alter the fact that the Bible calls for
the killing of innocent people.
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Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as
written
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in
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the
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Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a
murderer,
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a
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fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that
you
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
days
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might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that the
law
Post by Mitchell Holman
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of
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
the land was specific. You would also know that Cities, refuge
Cities
Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were
unjustly
Post by Robert
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in it
there
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would be no such places.
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How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God and
Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?
You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And
if
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it
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is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was
committed
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among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that
city
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with
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the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it
and
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its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Don't you find
the deliberate killing of innocent people to
be barbaric?
Yes, and it would be, but where are the innocents you speak of?
A few people practice a different religion
so EVERYONE in the town must die. Men, women,
children, even all the livestock. Where are
the innocents, you ask?
Mitchell, did you even bother reading the contextual scripture for
those circumstances?
And even with that aside, are they not honor bound to follow their
contractual obligations or move out of Israel?
What "contractual obligation"?
The Mosaic Law.
Post by Mitchell Holman
And even they DID commit some "sin" why
kill every man, woman, child and animal in
the whole town over it?
Read the verse again, plus the surrounding verses, then we can
discuss
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it more clearly and intellectually.
I respect your Bible knowledge, if you
think there are "surrounding verses" that
justify the killing of innocents post them
for us.
And I you as well, however I expected you to be more thorough in your
accusations. Rather then throwing out snippets as truth, like many of
your colleagues.
Here is the full part of that Law.
Deu 13:6  "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your
daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own
soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,'
which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 
Deu 13:7  of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to
you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of
the earth, 
Deu 13:8  you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall
your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 
Deu 13:9  but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first
against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the
people. 
Deu 13:10  And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because
he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you
out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 
Deu 13:11  So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such
wickedness as this among you. 
Deu 13:12  "If you hear someone in one of your cities, which the LORD
your God gives you to dwell in, saying, 
Deu 13:13  'Corrupt men have gone out from among you and enticed the
inhabitants of their city, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods"
'—which you have not known— 
Deu 13:14  then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And
if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was
committed among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Every living being
in the town must be killed because a few of them
chose a different religion.
Why do you find that acceptable?
Did you not see v14? That the judgment came after the investigation?
That the inhabitents broke the law of Moses, the Law of the Land?

If they were judged guilty then they were not innocent. So under their
laws they deserved what they got. They were not living under grace as
we are now, so the world was far different.

Jesus has indeed affected this whole world since he came and that is
why you are able to live as your do. Whether you are a believer, or
not.

So yes, given that this was the status quo of that day, it was proper.
There were no innocents killed.
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Deu 13:16  And you shall gather all its plunder into the middle of the
street, and completely burn with fire the city and all its plunder,
for the LORD your God. It shall be a heap forever; it shall not be
built again. 
Deu 13:17  So none of the accursed things shall remain in your hand,
that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of His anger and show you
mercy, have compassion on you and multiply you, just as He swore to
your fathers, 
Deu 13:18  because you have listened to the voice of the LORD your
God, to keep all His commandments which I command you today, to do
what is right in the eyes of the LORD your God. 
Note the lack of any text about "seek out
the offenders and punish them". It flatly states
that EVERYONE in the village must die.
No, it said everything in the "City" must die and be destroyed. And
not for gain. Had you paid attention to all of the verses I included
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Deu 13:6  "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your
daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own
soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,'
which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 
Deu 13:7  of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to
you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of
the earth, 
Deu 13:8  you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall
your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 
Deu 13:9  but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first
against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the
people. 
Deu 13:10  And you shall stone him with stones until he dies, because
he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you
out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 
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Had the peoples of that city had done this while the situation was
containable then only one or two would be killed for breaking the law.
But if they allow these people to continue they could infect the whole
city with their "movement".

We have seen this type of thing happen over and over again, and the
current growing sin is the promiscuous sexual nature becoming like
second nature, and the resulting homosexuality sweeping over nations
to the extent that they modify their laws to enable even more of this
disgusting morality.
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They are INNOCENT of the blasphemy, no?
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Did you read the end of that verse and what purpose it
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In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
When judgment is applied properly it reduces crime, when
people
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it is swift and sure they stop playing games. That is the
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today
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as yesterday even along the laws of men.
Aren't you glad you are not under the Law of God, meaning
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of
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Mosaic Covenants?
The "Law of God" was barbaric. Even our
resident Jewish scholar Arty/Joe doesn't try
to defend it.
In its day it was not considered barbaric.
That is not an excuse. The moral codes
of the Hebrews should be shunned, not celebrated
as "God's Holy Word" and "Biblical family values"
You are ignoring the simple Fact that is was a contract between
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and the Israelites who all voted on it. To be God's people.
By that standard the 9/11 attacks were
justified because they were just "carrying
out God's will".
That's ridiculous.
Really? If you can justify the murder of
innocents because of a "contract between god
and his people" then so can followers of every
other religion, no?
That is even more ridiculous. Tell me of any other religion that
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binding contract with God. Either in that day or today.
When a person breaks the law are they innocent? Especially if they
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it willingly and with full knowledge?
You are missing the point. If a person
breaks the law does justify killing his wife,
his children, his neighbors, and people he
doesn't even know?
You are presuming much and not verifying anything that you dream up.
Since you brought up the scripture to discuss how about you reading
the pertinent verses surrounding it to see what the confines of the
context is, then let's discuss it so we are on the same page
intellectually.
See my answer above.
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Was America under shiria (sp) laws?
No. Same thing with people who killed Dr.'s and nurses in
abortion
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clinics who were "carrying out the will of God". First off in
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world Jesus did not come to condemn people. We are living under a
period of Grace. Secondly if that person was RC, did he make sure
those he killed were under his same contract to the RCC?
And contrary to your opinions of who God is, the god of the
Muslim
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not the Almighty God the one who saves and provides salvation to
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lost and needy that ask for it.
Same thing with your understanding that everyone who calls
themselves
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"Christian", are. JW's and Mormons both do that and even fool
some
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their members with that nomenclature. And stuff like that is sad.
You make very little distinctions and throw many into the same
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because you are not discriminating and so you would paint many
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the same broad brush which can only lead to confusion.
The principle we are talking about is
committing murder because your religion
requires it. You endorse that, I don't.
No I don't. Your choice of words shows your bias, and unwillingness
to
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see things in their proper sense.
According to your reasoning a person who murdered someone and was
sentenced to death is now going to be "Murdered" by the state?
Actually yes. But that is not what we are
talking about.
Well then, with all due respect you must understand what I know about
killing and murder as being two different things, And I can
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that you murder the fish you catch to eat, or animals that you hunt,
any flesh that you eat as all the vegetables you eat, except for
Fruits. So I guess you should be locked up for the rest of your...
life? ;)
I assumed you believe the killing
of innocent people to be murder like the
rest of us.
Of course, as I have previously stated.
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If that be the case then carry out your thought process. No one
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held against their will and the state is the kidnapper.
Or are you the one who gets to be the arbiter of right and wrong?
In a democracy, yes, the public DOES have
an indirect role in determining right and wrong.
And in NO democracy is the state allowed to
knowingly execute innocent people.
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And that is what we are talking about -
the Bible is FULL of instances of god and his
followers killing innocent people.
Why do you find that acceptable?
Why do you presume to be correct. You, as I recall, gave five verses
as your basis for this type of thinking. In all cases the peoples
guilt was pointed out.
Where is the "people's guilt" when a
whole town is killed? Even the children
are killed, where is their guilt?
Like you said, see above.
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And I pointed out that fact to you with no
further response from you. Now here you are again, presenting the
same
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presumptions without proof of it. And in this particular thread you
consistently refuse to fully read the subject your brought up so that
we can discuss this properly. So how about you doing a little
homework
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so that you can justify your position or at least understand what the
law said and how it was to be administered?
If have seen enough of the "The Bible
proves me right, look it up yourself" from
Patrick and Duke and Arty/Joe, I was rather
expecting more from you.
I was also expecting more of you, likewise, which is why I asked you
to look at what you quoted, in context, rather than just pulling out
verses and excluding the total picture.
The Bible verses we each cited are not
in conflict. Even your "surrounding text"
does alter the fact that the Bible calls for
the killing of innocent people.
You saw nor read anything about "innocent people"
You saw how it was to be nipped in the bud at the beginning or the
passages I quoted,
You saw how investigators determined what was going on and judged
accordingly.
You saw that this was the Law of the land, one that the people voted
to agree too.
That this was their national law.

I mentioned that if they didn't want to abide by it, then they could
give up their positions with God and leave the country and be free to
do as they pleased.

So then, just as you quoted five different scriptures before speaking
like you did here and called all their deaths the murdering of
innocents, here too they were not innocents, and so were judged
accordingly.

We are going to have to find a way to trim this down. :)
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
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And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a
murderer,
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fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that
you
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might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that
the
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the land was specific. You would also know that Cities, refuge
Cities
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were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were
unjustly
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accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in
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would be no such places.
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How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God
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Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?
You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently.
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among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that
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its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Don't you find
the deliberate killing of innocent people to
be barbaric?
Yes, and it would be, but where are the innocents you speak of?
A few people practice a different religion
so EVERYONE in the town must die. Men, women,
children, even all the livestock. Where are
the innocents, you ask?
Mitchell, did you even bother reading the contextual scripture for
those circumstances?
And even with that aside, are they not honor bound to follow their
contractual obligations or move out of Israel?
What "contractual obligation"?
The Mosaic Law.
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And even they DID commit some "sin" why
kill every man, woman, child and animal in
the whole town over it?
Read the verse again, plus the surrounding verses, then we can
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it more clearly and intellectually.
I respect your Bible knowledge, if you
think there are "surrounding verses" that
justify the killing of innocents post them
for us.
And I you as well, however I expected you to be more thorough in your
accusations. Rather then throwing out snippets as truth, like many of
your colleagues.
Here is the full part of that Law.
Deu 13:6  "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your
daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own
soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,'
which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 
Deu 13:7  of the gods of the people which are all around you, near
to
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you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of
the earth, 
Deu 13:8  you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall
your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 
Deu 13:9  but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first
against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the
people. 
Deu 13:10  And you shall stone him with stones until he dies,
because
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he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you
out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 
Deu 13:11  So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such
wickedness as this among you. 
Deu 13:12  "If you hear someone in one of your cities, which the
LORD
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your God gives you to dwell in, saying, 
Deu 13:13  'Corrupt men have gone out from among you and enticed the
inhabitants of their city, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods"
'—which you have not known— 
Deu 13:14  then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently.
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if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was
committed among you, 
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and
its livestock—with the edge of the sword. 
That is just what I said. Every living being
in the town must be killed because a few of them
chose a different religion.
Why do you find that acceptable?
Did you not see v14? That the judgment came after the investigation?
That the inhabitents broke the law of Moses, the Law of the Land?
Your own verse only identifies "corrupt men".

So why do all the women and children have to die?
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If they were judged guilty then they were not innocent. So under their
laws they deserved what they got. They were not living under grace as
we are now, so the world was far different.
Jesus has indeed affected this whole world since he came and that is
why you are able to live as your do. Whether you are a believer, or
not.
So yes, given that this was the status quo of that day, it was proper.
There were no innocents killed.
Are you really claiming all the children
and even the livestock were guilty?
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street, and completely burn with fire the city and all its plunder,
for the LORD your God. It shall be a heap forever; it shall not be
built again. 
Deu 13:17  So none of the accursed things shall remain in your hand,
that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of His anger and show you
mercy, have compassion on you and multiply you, just as He swore to
your fathers, 
Deu 13:18  because you have listened to the voice of the LORD your
God, to keep all His commandments which I command you today, to do
what is right in the eyes of the LORD your God. 
Note the lack of any text about "seek out
the offenders and punish them". It flatly states
that EVERYONE in the village must die.
No, it said everything in the "City" must die and be destroyed. And
not for gain. Had you paid attention to all of the verses I included
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What "agenda of mine"?

The verse clearly requires the killing
of everyone regardless of their guilt. That
is all I am pointing out.
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Deu 13:6  "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your
daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own
soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,'
which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 
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you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of
the earth, 
Deu 13:8  you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall
your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; 
Deu 13:9  but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first
against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the
people. 
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he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you
out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 
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Had the peoples of that city had done this while the situation was
containable then only one or two would be killed for breaking the law.
But if they allow these people to continue they could infect the whole
city with their "movement".
Even the Christian inspired witch hunts
didn't kill whole villages because of one person's
"infection".
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We have seen this type of thing happen over and over again, and the
current growing sin is the promiscuous sexual nature becoming like
second nature, and the resulting homosexuality sweeping over nations
to the extent that they modify their laws to enable even more of this
disgusting morality.
Should every town and city be destroyed if
some gay people live there? That is what the verses
above would call for.
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If have seen enough of the "The Bible
proves me right, look it up yourself" from
Patrick and Duke and Arty/Joe, I was rather
expecting more from you.
I was also expecting more of you, likewise, which is why I asked you
to look at what you quoted, in context, rather than just pulling out
verses and excluding the total picture.
The Bible verses we each cited are not
in conflict. Even your "surrounding text"
does alter the fact that the Bible calls for
the killing of innocent people.
You saw nor read anything about "innocent people"
You saw how it was to be nipped in the bud at the beginning or the
passages I quoted,
You saw how investigators determined what was going on and judged
accordingly.
You saw that this was the Law of the land, one that the people voted
to agree too.
That this was their national law.
That just makes it worse.
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I mentioned that if they didn't want to abide by it, then they could
give up their positions with God and leave the country and be free to
do as they pleased.
So then, just as you quoted five different scriptures before speaking
like you did here and called all their deaths the murdering of
innocents, here too they were not innocents, and so were judged
accordingly.
The verses by definition call for the
execution of innocents. But that is par for
the course in the OT.
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We are going to have to find a way to trim this down. :)
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Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
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And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a
murderer,
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fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father
that
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days
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might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
No law that mandates the killing of
children is a "blessing".
Killing was the curse, Blessing was long life.
Killing wasn't a curse. The Hebrews seem
to have reveled in it.
Had you studied the Law, the mosaic law you would find that
the
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of
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the land was specific. You would also know that Cities,
refuge
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Cities
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were set aside for people to escape to if they felt they were
unjustly
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accused. Once there they could not leave. If they reveled in
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there
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would be no such places.
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How else do you explain them killing an
entire town and everyone in it just because
they thought a few people there practiced
a different religion?
(Deuteronomy 13:12-19)
Are you not familiar with a legal contract? One between God
and
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Israel? Voted on by all the people and sealed with blood?
You stated the "just because they thought"
V14 then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently.
And
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if
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it
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is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was
committed
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among you,
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that
city
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with
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the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in
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its livestock—with the edge of the sword.
That is just what I said. Don't you find
the deliberate killing of innocent people to
be barbaric?
Yes, and it would be, but where are the innocents you speak of?
A few people practice a different religion
so EVERYONE in the town must die. Men, women,
children, even all the livestock. Where are
the innocents, you ask?
Mitchell, did you even bother reading the contextual scripture
for
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those circumstances?
And even with that aside, are they not honor bound to follow
their
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contractual obligations or move out of Israel?
What "contractual obligation"?
The Mosaic Law.
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And even they DID commit some "sin" why
kill every man, woman, child and animal in
the whole town over it?
Read the verse again, plus the surrounding verses, then we can
discuss
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it more clearly and intellectually.
I respect your Bible knowledge, if you
think there are "surrounding verses" that
justify the killing of innocents post them
for us.
And I you as well, however I expected you to be more thorough in your
accusations. Rather then throwing out snippets as truth, like many of
your colleagues.
Here is the full part of that Law.
Deu 13:6  "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your
daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own
soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,'
which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers,
Deu 13:7  of the gods of the people which are all around you, near
to
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you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end
of
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the earth,
Deu 13:8  you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall
your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him;
Deu 13:9  but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first
against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the
people.
Deu 13:10  And you shall stone him with stones until he dies,
because
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he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you
out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
Deu 13:11  So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such
wickedness as this among you.
Deu 13:12  "If you hear someone in one of your cities, which the
LORD
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your God gives you to dwell in, saying,
Deu 13:13  'Corrupt men have gone out from among you and enticed the
inhabitants of their city, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods"
'—which you have not known—
Deu 13:14  then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently.
And
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if it is indeed true and certain that such an abomination was
committed among you,
Deu 13:15  you shall surely strike the inhabitants of that city with
the edge of the sword, utterly destroying it, all that is in it and
its livestock—with the edge of the sword.
That is just what I said. Every living being
in the town must be killed because a few of them
chose a different religion.
Why do you find that acceptable?
Did you not see v14? That the judgment came after the investigation?
That the inhabitents broke the law of Moses, the Law of the Land?
Your own verse only identifies "corrupt men".
So why do all the women and children have to die?
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If they were judged guilty then they were not innocent. So under their
laws they deserved what they got. They were not living under grace as
we are now, so the world was far different.
Jesus has indeed affected this whole world since he came and that is
why you are able to live as your do. Whether you are a believer, or
not.
So yes, given that this was the status quo of that day, it was proper.
There were no innocents killed.
Are you really claiming all the children
and even the livestock were guilty?
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Deu 13:16  And you shall gather all its plunder into the middle of
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street, and completely burn with fire the city and all its plunder,
for the LORD your God. It shall be a heap forever; it shall not be
built again.
Deu 13:17  So none of the accursed things shall remain in your hand,
that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of His anger and show you
mercy, have compassion on you and multiply you, just as He swore to
your fathers,
Deu 13:18  because you have listened to the voice of the LORD your
God, to keep all His commandments which I command you today, to do
what is right in the eyes of the LORD your God.
Note the lack of any text about "seek out
the offenders and punish them". It flatly states
that EVERYONE in the village must die.
No, it said everything in the "City" must die and be destroyed. And
not for gain. Had you paid attention to all of the verses I included
just to offset this agenda of yours, there was this,...
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What "agenda of mine"?
The verse clearly requires the killing
of everyone regardless of their guilt. That
is all I am pointing out.
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Deu 13:6  "If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your
daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own
soul, secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,'
which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers,
Deu 13:7  of the gods of the people which are all around you, near
to
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you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end
of
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the earth,
Deu 13:8  you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall
your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him;
Deu 13:9  but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first
against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the
people.
Deu 13:10  And you shall stone him with stones until he dies,
because
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he sought to entice you away from the LORD your God, who brought you
out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
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Had the peoples of that city had done this while the situation was
containable then only one or two would be killed for breaking the law.
But if they allow these people to continue they could infect the whole
city with their "movement".
Even the Christian inspired witch hunts
didn't kill whole villages because of one person's
"infection".
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We have seen this type of thing happen over and over again, and the
current growing sin is the promiscuous sexual nature becoming like
second nature, and the resulting homosexuality sweeping over nations
to the extent that they modify their laws to enable even more of this
disgusting morality.
Should every town and city be destroyed if
some gay people live there? That is what the verses
above would call for.
The evil people destroy themselves with their own evil. You can't blame
God for their own karma. You only assume that there are good people
living among the evil. Even that were true, those so-called good people
would still be responsible for their own choice to stay with evil. Real
good people would never stay with the evil only to suffer the
consequence of evil.
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God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
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Should every town and city be destroyed if
some gay people live there? That is what the verses
above would call for.
The evil people destroy themselves with their own evil. You can't
blame God for their own karma. You only assume that there are good
people living among the evil. Even that were true, those so-called
good people would still be responsible for their own choice to stay
with evil. Real good people would never stay with the evil only to
suffer the consequence of evil.
So the infants and toddlers deserve to
die because they didn't run away from home.

Right.

Whatever you say................

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Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
yeah great, honor your immoral parents

Also your Bible's god commanded
-kill non-virgin brides
-kill anyone who works on sabbeth.
-kill all non-believers
-kill all believers of other god(s)

Your Bible and its god are _very_ immoral.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
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Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
yeah great, honor your immoral parents
Also your Bible's god commanded
-kill non-virgin brides
-kill anyone who works on sabbeth.
-kill all non-believers
-kill all believers of other god(s)
Your Bible and its god are _very_ immoral.
Anyone notice that the Bible makes no mention of Jesus having the usual social
fax pas of having bad breath...or body odor...you know...cooties in general.

...and absolutely no mention of his bodily fluids...whether he stood or sat down
on the ole Nazarean toilet seat to pee.

I mean, did he belong to any gangs like...The Krips & The Bloods...The Jets and
the Sharks (from Westside Story)...the Republicans and Democrats (with their
coming rumble in November).

What's the story one that?




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Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
yeah great, honor your immoral parents
Also your Bible's god commanded
-kill non-virgin brides
-kill anyone who works on sabbeth.
-kill all non-believers
-kill all believers of other god(s)
Your Bible and its god are _very_ immoral.
You wouldn't know at this point in your life. But you will upon your
death if you don't learn before. and part of what you wrote is in
error.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
yeah great, honor your immoral parents
Also your Bible's god commanded
-kill non-virgin brides
-kill anyone who works on sabbeth.
-kill all non-believers
-kill all believers of other god(s)
Your Bible and its god are _very_ immoral.
You wouldn't know at this point in your life.
It's obvious that he does. As you can plainly see
above his contempt isn't for God because he doesn't
believe there is a God. But it's obvious that these
scriptures were uninspired and written by a psychopath.
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But you will upon your
death if you don't learn before.
There you go, proving his words of "believe or burn"
as the fear tactic used by Christians, but that is all
that it is, a fear tactic, nothing more than a threat.




and part of what you wrote is in
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error.
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Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
yeah great, honor your immoral parents
Also your Bible's god commanded
-kill non-virgin brides
-kill anyone who works on sabbeth.
-kill all non-believers
-kill all believers of other god(s)
Your Bible and its god are _very_ immoral.
You wouldn't know at this point in your life.
It's obvious that he does. As you can plainly see
above his contempt isn't for God because he doesn't
believe there is a God. But it's obvious that these
scriptures were uninspired and written by a psychopath.
Then you have nothing left to believe. Since if the Bible is written
by a psychopath you have wasted all your years seeking.

I am sorry that you are a man without hope.
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Post by Robert
But you will upon your
death if you don't learn before.
There you go, proving his words of "believe or burn"
as the fear tactic used by Christians, but that is all
that it is, a fear tactic, nothing more than a threat.
Did I say Burn or was that you? I also used no threats, but you did. I
said that at the end he would see his errors and understand why at
that point.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
yeah great, honor your immoral parents
Also your Bible's god commanded
-kill non-virgin brides
-kill anyone who works on sabbeth.
-kill all non-believers
-kill all believers of other god(s)
Your Bible and its god are _very_ immoral.
You wouldn't know at this point in your life.
It's obvious that he does. As you can plainly see
above his contempt isn't for God because he doesn't
believe there is a God. But it's obvious that these
scriptures were uninspired and written by a psychopath.
Then you have nothing left to believe. Since if the Bible is written
by a psychopath you have wasted all your years seeking.
I am sorry that you are a man without hope.
Only in your sick and twisted mind, Bobbo...
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But you will upon your
death if you don't learn before.
There you go, proving his words of "believe or burn"
as the fear tactic used by Christians, but that is all
that it is, a fear tactic, nothing more than a threat.
Did I say Burn or was that you? I also used no threats, but you did. I
said that at the end he would see his errors and understand why at
that point.
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2020-02-19 06:14:00 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
yeah great, honor your immoral parents
Also your Bible's god commanded
-kill non-virgin brides
-kill anyone who works on sabbeth.
-kill all non-believers
-kill all believers of other god(s)
Your Bible and its god are _very_ immoral.
You wouldn't know at this point in your life.
It's obvious that he does. As you can plainly see
above his contempt isn't for God because he doesn't
believe there is a God. But it's obvious that these
scriptures were uninspired and written by a psychopath.
Then you have nothing left to believe. Since if the Bible is written
by a psychopath you have wasted all your years seeking.
I am sorry that you are a man without hope.
Only in your sick and twisted mind, Bobbo...
Hey, it was you who said the bible you sometimes quote was written by
Psycho's.

Without it you have no basis for any form of Christianity and are
stuck with a steady stream of recycling via reincarnation, or the
simple death like any other animal. Showing that you have wasted all
those years search for religion to have been in vain. That is the only
logical outcome per your current statements.

And yes, I am sorry for you since I have tasted what it is like to be
a believer, with Joy and Thanksgiving. And I know personally the
reality of Jesus and his Father and look for a closer walk each day.
The Joy of actually knowing God, and that he actually cared for me who
insignificant on this planet, was incredible. And that was years ago.
There is a time to let go and let God in, but only when one is living.
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But you will upon your
death if you don't learn before.
There you go, proving his words of "believe or burn"
as the fear tactic used by Christians, but that is all
that it is, a fear tactic, nothing more than a threat.
Did I say Burn or was that you? I also used no threats, but you did. I
said that at the end he would see his errors and understand why at
that point.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
yeah great, honor your immoral parents
Also your Bible's god commanded
-kill non-virgin brides
-kill anyone who works on sabbeth.
-kill all non-believers
-kill all believers of other god(s)
Your Bible and its god are _very_ immoral.
You wouldn't know at this point in your life.
It's obvious that he does. As you can plainly see
above his contempt isn't for God because he doesn't
believe there is a God. But it's obvious that these
scriptures were uninspired and written by a psychopath.
Then you have nothing left to believe. Since if the Bible is written
by a psychopath you have wasted all your years seeking.
I am sorry that you are a man without hope.
Only in your sick and twisted mind, Bobbo...
Hey, it was you who said the bible you sometimes quote was written by
Psycho's.
You didn't answer Mitchell's question. Here it is again;

The passage doesn't require the wayward
sons to be modified, it requires them to be
KILLED.


"They must declare: "This son of ours is
stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey.
He is a worthless drunkard." Then all the
men of the town must stone him to death."
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

And you endorse that?
Post by Robert
Without it you have no basis for any form of Christianity and are
stuck with a steady stream of recycling via reincarnation, or the
simple death like any other animal. Showing that you have wasted all
those years search for religion to have been in vain. That is the only
logical outcome per your current statements.
Those years were a search for absolute truth, not a search for
Christianity as in your case...in your case Christianity is the
answer to all your questions, but for me it isn't. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
is not an example of superior thinking or my ways are higher than your
ways, but it is an example of the solutions that evil men use to get
what they desire and make life easier for them.
Post by Robert
And yes, I am sorry for you since I have tasted what it is like to be
a believer, with Joy and Thanksgiving.
(shaking head) Just one of the dogs under the masters table, eh?

Licking the crumbs from the floor and happy to have that much, eh?

You are so brainwashed that you cannot even see that all through
the bible are written solutions from the point of view of men, not
a superior being.

You are no different than the heavens gate followers. You have
abandoned common sense and good judgment for a place in heaven
and will agree to anything that gets you there in this world.
Post by Robert
And I know personally the
reality of Jesus and his Father and look for a closer walk each day.
The Joy of actually knowing God, and that he actually cared for me who
insignificant on this planet, was incredible. And that was years ago.
There is a time to let go and let God in, but only when one is living.
Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
But you will upon your
death if you don't learn before.
There you go, proving his words of "believe or burn"
as the fear tactic used by Christians, but that is all
that it is, a fear tactic, nothing more than a threat.
Did I say Burn or was that you? I also used no threats, but you did. I
said that at the end he would see his errors and understand why at
that point.
Robert
2020-02-19 22:54:15 UTC
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You didn't answer Mitchell's question. Here it is again;
The passage doesn't require the wayward
sons to be modified, it requires them to be
KILLED.
Then you better read all my posts to him. I never said that the
wayward sons were to be modified. I also told him the conditions under
which a son was to be killed, and part of that picture is bringing him
before others.

It is part of contractual law. The Law also species when something is
to be done the procedures to follow.

Very east to be missed if one is agenda bound.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-19 23:57:21 UTC
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Post by Rod B
You didn't answer Mitchell's question. Here it is again;
The passage doesn't require the wayward
sons to be modified, it requires them to be
KILLED.
Then you better read all my posts to him. I never said that the
wayward sons were to be modified. I also told him the conditions under
which a son was to be killed, and part of that picture is bringing him
before others.
It is part of contractual law. The Law also species when something is
to be done the procedures to follow.
Very east to be missed if one is agenda bound.
The important thing is that God is good, somehow.
Rod B
2020-02-20 00:10:28 UTC
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Post by Rod B
You didn't answer Mitchell's question. Here it is again;
The passage doesn't require the wayward
sons to be modified, it requires them to be
KILLED.
Then you better read all my posts to him. I never said that the
wayward sons were to be modified.
Tell that to him.
Post by Robert
I also told him the conditions under
which a son was to be killed, and part of that picture is bringing him
before others.
Barbaric!
Post by Robert
It is part of contractual law. The Law also species when something is
to be done the procedures to follow.
No less barbaric.
Post by Robert
Very easy to be missed if one is agenda bound.
Robert
2020-02-20 01:50:42 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
You didn't answer Mitchell's question. Here it is again;
The passage doesn't require the wayward
sons to be modified, it requires them to be
KILLED.
Then you better read all my posts to him. I never said that the
wayward sons were to be modified.
Tell that to him.
If he mentioned that then I did.
Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
I also told him the conditions under
which a son was to be killed, and part of that picture is bringing him
before others.
Barbaric!
What was barbaric? Read it to see the conditions.
Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
It is part of contractual law. The Law also species when something is
to be done the procedures to follow.
No less barbaric.
So you think that both man and God should change based on your whims?
Or that man is not to be held to his words?
What about God's words? If he is not stable then what confidence can
you have in Him?

My word is my bond goes out the window, who is to be trusted?
Post by Rod B
Post by Robert
Very easy to be missed if one is agenda bound.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-19 01:31:22 UTC
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 08:36:56 -0800, ----------- A t h e i s t
Post by ----------- A t h e i s t ------------
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
yeah great, honor your immoral parents
Also your Bible's god commanded
-kill non-virgin brides
-kill anyone who works on sabbeth.
-kill all non-believers
-kill all believers of other god(s)
Your Bible and its god are _very_ immoral.
You wouldn't know at this point in your life. But you will upon your
death if you don't learn before.
Hello dickhead. When you die you won't know anything.

Everything that makes "you" exists in your brain.
When brain activity ceases "your" cease to exist.
----------- A t h e i s t ------------
2020-02-19 05:45:59 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
yeah great, honor your immoral parents
Also your Bible's god commanded
-kill non-virgin brides
-kill anyone who works on sabbeth.
-kill all non-believers
-kill all believers of other god(s)
Your Bible and its god are _very_ immoral.
A Christian must either believe those people deserve/d their
_god-commanded_ death or be a "Cafeteria Christian", choosing to
believe only verses you like (i.e. creating your own god).
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
Robert
2020-02-19 07:54:08 UTC
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Post by ----------- A t h e i s t ------------
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Yeppers, he likes it. He even supports slavery as written in the
Bible, and like Robert he makes out like it is acceptable.
And under the Law it was. Just as it was to stone a murderer, a
fornicator, an adulterer, or any other grievous sin.
The Law also said to honor thy mother and they father that you days
might be long. That was the blessings side of that law.
yeah great, honor your immoral parents
Also your Bible's god commanded
-kill non-virgin brides
-kill anyone who works on sabbeth.
-kill all non-believers
-kill all believers of other god(s)
Your Bible and its god are _very_ immoral.
A Christian must either believe those people deserve/d their
_god-commanded_ death or be a "Cafeteria Christian", choosing to
believe only verses you like (i.e. creating your own god).
Same God.

Moses called up into the Mountain to meet with God.

And Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the
mountain, saying, "Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell
the children of Israel: 'You have seen what I did to the Egyptians,
and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to Myself. Now
therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then
you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the
earth is Mine. And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy
nation.' These are the words which you shall speak to the children of
Israel." So Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and
laid before them all these words which the LORD commanded him. Then
all the people answered together and said, "All that the LORD has
spoken we will do." So Moses brought back the words of the people to
the LORD. (Exo 19:3-8 NKJV)

The LORD then told Moses

And the LORD said to Moses, "Behold, I come to you in the thick cloud,
that the people may hear when I speak with you, and believe you
forever." So Moses told the words of the people to the LORD. Then the
LORD said to Moses, "Go to the people and consecrate them today and
tomorrow, and let them wash their clothes. And let them be ready for
the third day. For on the third day the LORD will come down upon Mount
Sinai in the sight of all the people. You shall set bounds for the
people all around, saying, 'Take heed to yourselves that you do not go
up to the mountain or touch its base. Whoever touches the mountain
shall surely be put to death. Not a hand shall touch him, but he shall
surely be stoned or shot with an arrow; whether man or beast, he shall
not live.' When the trumpet sounds long, they shall come near the
mountain." So Moses went down from the mountain to the people and
sanctified the people, and they washed their clothes. And he said to
the people, "Be ready for the third day; do not come near your wives."
Then it came to pass on the third day, in the morning, that there were
thunderings and lightnings, and a thick cloud on the mountain; and the
sound of the trumpet was very loud, so that all the people who were in
the camp trembled. And Moses brought the people out of the camp to
meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain.
(Exo 19:9-17 NKJV)

If you want to know the rest of the story I will post it, or you can
read it for yourself. At this time the Israelites were not under the
Law.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Rod B
2020-02-18 18:21:59 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
See the paragraph above? You don't rid yourself of evil
by doing evil. What is it in men that generates this type
of ignorance? Religion alone isn't to blame. The blame
begins and ends with men.
Robert
2020-02-18 22:54:19 UTC
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Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
See the paragraph above? You don't rid yourself of evil
by doing evil. What is it in men that generates this type
of ignorance? Religion alone isn't to blame. The blame
begins and ends with men.
This law was sanctioned by both men and God.

Deu 21:18  "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not
obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when
they have chastened him, will not heed them, 
Deu 21:19  then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and
bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of his city. 
Deu 21:20  And they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This son of
ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a
glutton and a drunkard.' 
Deu 21:21  Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death with
stones; so you shall put away the evil from among you, and all Israel
shall hear and fear. 

How many lives of the sons of men were saved by the following of this
law?

Is better to have a 10,000 such sons in a small nation along with all
the crime the will do, or the death of one that all might learn.

Is it harsh? It might seem to but right here in America I know of a
town who had such a Son, That son bullied every one in town, from the
cops on down. He did as he pleased that town knew the trouble and all
felt the pain and suffering. Then a small group of men off'd him. No
one in town "knew" who did it. But after many torturous years the town
went back to normal. I have also hear of some fathers who had such
sons and took them out behind the barn and did them in. Had they been
born in that day the chances of a kid going bad would be greatly
reduced if then knew that a death penalty were in effect and would be
followed out.

Jesus died for your sins, allowed himself to be sacrificed just for
you. Have we all now become better than God and more knowledgeable to
sit in judgment of God?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-19 01:35:48 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
See the paragraph above? You don't rid yourself of evil
by doing evil. What is it in men that generates this type
of ignorance? Religion alone isn't to blame. The blame
begins and ends with men.
This law was sanctioned by both men and God.
Deu 21:18  "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not
obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when
they have chastened him, will not heed them, 
Deu 21:19  then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and
bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of his city. 
Deu 21:20  And they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This son of
ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a
glutton and a drunkard.' 
Deu 21:21  Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death with
stones; so you shall put away the evil from among you, and all Israel
shall hear and fear. 
How many lives of the sons of men were saved by the following of this
law?
Is better to have a 10,000 such sons in a small nation along with all
the crime the will do, or the death of one that all might learn.
Is it harsh? It might seem to but right here in America I know of a
town who had such a Son, That son bullied every one in town, from the
cops on down. He did as he pleased that town knew the trouble and all
felt the pain and suffering. Then a small group of men off'd him. No
one in town "knew" who did it. But after many torturous years the town
went back to normal. I have also hear of some fathers who had such
sons and took them out behind the barn and did them in. Had they been
born in that day the chances of a kid going bad would be greatly
reduced if then knew that a death penalty were in effect and would be
followed out.
Jesus died for your sins, allowed himself to be sacrificed just for
you. Have we all now become better than God and more knowledgeable to
sit in judgment of God?
We were always better and more knowledgeable than God.
A good God would not create someone as fucked up as you.
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-19 03:02:41 UTC
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Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
See the paragraph above? You don't rid yourself of evil
by doing evil. What is it in men that generates this type
of ignorance? Religion alone isn't to blame. The blame
begins and ends with men.
This law was sanctioned by both men and God.
That is why mature adults reject both.
Post by Robert
Deu 21:18  "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not
obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when
they have chastened him, will not heed them, 
Deu 21:19  then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and
bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of his city. 
Deu 21:20  And they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This son of
ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a
glutton and a drunkard.' 
Deu 21:21  Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death with
stones; so you shall put away the evil from among you, and all Israel
shall hear and fear. 
How many lives of the sons of men were saved by the following of this
law?
Really? A son who is "rebellious" and a
"drunkard" is guaranteed to become a murders?
Post by Robert
Is better to have a 10,000 such sons in a small nation along with all
the crime the will do, or the death of one that all might learn.
No law that kills a child for what they
MIGHT do in future can be justified.

Wasn't Jesus himself fleeing from just
such a law in the "flight into Egypt" narrative?
(Matthew 2:16)
Robert
2020-02-19 06:21:06 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Post by Rod B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Deuteronomy a very sacred book, and should
be looked upon as new testament not just old
testament, for the prophecy in there, (divine)
are still happening today.
You like Deuteronomy, do you?
Suppose a man has a stubborn, rebellious son
who will not obey his father or mother, even
though they discipline him. In such cases, the
father and mother must take the son before the
leaders of the town. They must declare: "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and
refuses to obey. He is a worthless drunkard."
Then all the men of the town must stone him to
death. In this way, you will cleanse this evil
from among you, and all Israel will hear about
it and be afraid.
(Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
See the paragraph above? You don't rid yourself of evil
by doing evil. What is it in men that generates this type
of ignorance? Religion alone isn't to blame. The blame
begins and ends with men.
This law was sanctioned by both men and God.
That is why mature adults reject both.
There are many who see the total reality of two worlds, one spiritual
and one fleshly.

Because you only allow yourself to see one does not make yourself
mature.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Deu 21:18  "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not
obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when
they have chastened him, will not heed them, 
Deu 21:19  then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and
bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of his city. 
Deu 21:20  And they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This son of
ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a
glutton and a drunkard.' 
Deu 21:21  Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death with
stones; so you shall put away the evil from among you, and all Israel
shall hear and fear. 
How many lives of the sons of men were saved by the following of this
law?
Really? A son who is "rebellious" and a
"drunkard" is guaranteed to become a murders?
Who said that?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
Is better to have a 10,000 such sons in a small nation along with all
the crime the will do, or the death of one that all might learn.
No law that kills a child for what they
MIGHT do in future can be justified.
Who said the son was a child, other than a 76 year old is the son of
someone.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Wasn't Jesus himself fleeing from just
such a law in the "flight into Egypt" narrative?
(Matthew 2:16)
Ridiculous question, there reason was because he would be murdered had
he stayed there, and BTW that death sentence is known in Roman
literature as a true event. All children two and under.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-19 14:29:22 UTC
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