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Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
2018-12-17 23:35:25 UTC
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Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.

If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....


If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.


I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
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Snit
2018-12-17 23:49:18 UTC
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Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?

And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.


Klaus Schadenfreude
2018-12-18 00:17:28 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:49:18 -0700, Snit
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Snit's broken again. LOL

He doesn't even know what's being discussed.

[chuckle]
Peter Franks
2018-12-18 16:11:02 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Post by Snit
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2018-12-18 16:14:20 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
According to Snit, we're "saving" money. ROFLMAO

More of his Obama/Hillary/Schumer/Pelosi worship.
Snit
2018-12-18 16:32:53 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
According to Snit, we're "saving" money. ROFLMAO
More of his Obama/Hillary/Schumer/Pelosi worship.
What do they have to do with it? And why not save money and get better
outcomes?
Klaus Schadenfreude
2018-12-18 19:56:14 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
According to Snit, we're "saving" money. ROFLMAO
More of his Obama/Hillary/Schumer/Pelosi worship.
What do they have to do with it? And why not save money and get better
outcomes?
Snit now angrily denies that Obama/Hillary/Schumer/Pelosi have
anything to do with universal health care.

Is Snit doing this for attention or is he really this ignorant?

Or both?

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Fascinating
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Cloud Hobbit
2019-01-10 02:31:25 UTC
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Post by Snit
What do they have to do with it? And why not save money and get better
outcomes?

The question is not about savings, it's about constitutionality. So far as I can tell, no such authority exists. Perhaps you could cite the relevant clause.
Snit
2018-12-18 16:32:52 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Peter Franks
2018-12-18 23:45:55 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care? Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Snit
2018-12-19 01:00:45 UTC
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Post by Peter Franks
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Don Martin
2018-12-19 23:40:21 UTC
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Post by Peter Franks
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
And the tax for health care will be less than the insurance premiums I
presently pay, if the experience of countries with national health
schemes is anything to go by (14% of GDP as opposed to our 18%).
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Peter Franks
2019-01-09 23:08:14 UTC
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On 12/17/18 4:35 PM, Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth -
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
   Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075
each, $25,000 in NY
A $5 BILLION dollar wall would be cheap if it only stopped half of them.
Half of who them?
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If it stops them all then it would have paid for ObamaCare and it might
NOT have collapsed. But the Democrats are GREEDY and they want it all
they want all the future Democrats flooding over the border and they
wanted the FREE HEALTH CARE and there was no way to pay for both.....
Future Democrats?
And we cannot afford to NOT have universal health care. NOT having it
costs us billions.
Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
If you are a Democrat you can blame HARRY REED AND NANCY PELOSI and
SCHUMER and OBAMA AND HILLARY for the failure of OBAMACARE because they
underfunded it and over loaded it with new people that can't pay for
their medical care flooding over the border.
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost. Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.

Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.

What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich. Please get your facts straight.
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Post by Peter Franks
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Post by Annoy A Leftist And Save Humanity, Tell The Truth - BeamMeUpScotty
I have to chuckle about the stupidity of the Democrats, to actually try
to stop the wall and allow ObamaCare to be over whelmed and fail because
they were just plain greedy and it's typical of Democrats they're all
greedy.
How emotional of you.
Snit
2019-01-10 01:28:49 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything. What we are talking about is doing what is morally
right. What we are talking about is MOST people paying less than they do
now and getting better service.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Klaus Schadenfreude
2019-01-10 01:40:22 UTC
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Post by Peter Franks
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Clave
2019-01-10 02:00:34 UTC
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Post by Peter Franks
Post by Snit
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Whereas you love the idea of taking it away from everyone.
Snit
2019-01-10 02:21:20 UTC
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Post by Snit
So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Whereas you love the idea of taking it away from everyone.
I do love the idea that we all pay into, say, military "insurance" --
where no matter if someone is rich or poor, they are protected by the
military. Same with the police. They should not be checking your bank
account or your level of donations or even your tax bracket to decide if
they help you. Same with firemen and with those who make the roads, even
the poor parts of town should have well maintained roads. I believe we
should have this for much of education and health care, and, sure, if we
want to call these things "taxes" or "insurance" or the like I am find
with it. I also believe this should go for safe food and water and air
-- we should all pay into a system where there is food and water and air
safety maintained -- and even for other consumer products. Even pencils.
This does not mean a rich person cannot buy an expensive pencil or a
poor person should be just handed pencils, but any pencil you buy on the
market should not have lead paint, for example. When you go to a
restaurant, whether low end or high, you should have government
oversight to reduce the chance you will get food poisoning.

What I do not believe in such "insurance" for is paying a wealthy man to
have meal. While I believe in safety nets, there is no moral basis for a
wealthy person to get more deducted from the cost of a single business
meal (with the government covering the rest) than a poor family of four
gets in SNAP benefits for a week. There is no reason to cover the cost
of entertainment for the rich, nor to allow them to have their UNEARNED
income be taxed at a lower rate than the poor man's EARNED income. There
is no reason to have "insurance", or government payments, to cover the
cost of labor. If McDonald's or Walmart want to hire labor that is fine
-- it is a good thing -- but they should cover the full cost, no forced
government "insurance" on all of us to cover that cost.

So Klaus is right to say I back some forms of "insurance", but I do not
back many of the ones those on the right side of the political fence do.

Can Klaus say the same? Will he denounce those forms of "insurance", the
use of our tax money to back such things? I doubt it.

Heck, I doubt he even understood what I wrote. :)
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

http://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308
Peter Franks
2019-01-10 03:55:43 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid for
by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything.
Snit LOVES the idea of forcing everyone to buy "insurance."
Whereas you love the idea of taking it away from everyone.
I do love the idea that we all pay
Bzzzzzzzzt. There is your lie. You don't want us to ALL pay, you want
some to pay inordinate amounts, and others to pay none at all, and
others to pay some.

If we all get the same benefit, then we should all pay the same amount.

That's equality, bro.

Propose a system based on equality, and then we can talk.
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into, say, military "insurance" --
where no matter if someone is rich or poor, they are protected by the
military. Same with the police. They should not be checking your bank
account or your level of donations or even your tax bracket to decide if
they help you. Same with firemen and with those who make the roads, even
the poor parts of town should have well maintained roads. I believe we
should have this for much of education and health care, and, sure, if we
want to call these things "taxes" or "insurance" or the like I am find
with it. I also believe this should go for safe food and water and air
-- we should all pay into a system where there is food and water and air
safety maintained -- and even for other consumer products. Even pencils.
This does not mean a rich person cannot buy an expensive pencil or a
poor person should be just handed pencils, but any pencil you buy on the
market should not have lead paint, for example. When you go to a
restaurant, whether low end or high, you should have government
oversight to reduce the chance you will get food poisoning.
What I do not believe in such "insurance" for is paying a wealthy man to
have meal. While I believe in safety nets, there is no moral basis for a
wealthy person to get more deducted from the cost of a single business
meal (with the government covering the rest) than a poor family of four
gets in SNAP benefits for a week. There is no reason to cover the cost
of entertainment for the rich, nor to allow them to have their UNEARNED
income be taxed at a lower rate than the poor man's EARNED income. There
is no reason to have "insurance", or government payments, to cover the
cost of labor. If McDonald's or Walmart want to hire labor that is fine
-- it is a good thing -- but they should cover the full cost, no forced
government "insurance" on all of us to cover that cost.
So Klaus is right to say I back some forms of "insurance", but I do not
back many of the ones those on the right side of the political fence do.
Can Klaus say the same? Will he denounce those forms of "insurance", the
use of our tax money to back such things? I doubt it.
Heck, I doubt he even understood what I wrote. :)
Peter Franks
2019-01-10 03:53:13 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid
for by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything. What we are talking about is doing what is morally
right. What we are talking about is MOST people paying less than they do
now and getting better service.
Right, you are advocating for an unequal system.
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2019-01-10 05:03:15 UTC
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So kill it and move to universal health care... saving us billions.
Who pays for it?
Who pays for the savings? What?
Who pays for the universal health care?
We can split the savings.
Post by Peter Franks
Regardless of any savings,
there will be a net cost.  Who pays for those costs?
Taxes. That is how the government works.
Taxes aren't universally applied (they are progressive), so it is no
longer universal healthcare.
Universal healthcare is a system where everyone pays equally for equal
services.
What do you base that on? What country do you think does it that way?
Post by Peter Franks
What you are talking about is yet another entitlement program, paid
for by the rich.  Please get your facts straight.
What we are talking about is joining the rest of the industrialized
world and investing in our future so we can compete better. What we are
talking about is having it so people are not a health crisis away from
losing everything. What we are talking about is doing what is morally
right. What we are talking about is MOST people paying less than they do
now and getting better service.
Right, you are advocating for an unequal system.
How so?

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