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What is the reason mankind is not evolving?
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Jahnu
2020-09-19 01:34:29 UTC
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The reason mankind is not evolving, but rather devolving, is a general
lack of spiritual knowledge.

Evolution of the species according to Darwin is basically pure
nonsense. Never in the history of mankind has it been observed how one
species, via many gradual mutations, transmutes into another species.
In the Vedic tradition, however, an evolution of consciousness is
understood.

The soul, which is an atomic particle of God’s consciousness, is
situated in all living entities. The human life-form is a extremely
rare occurrence for the soul. Every piece of grass, every microbe,
every bacteria is a soul, so we can understand how rare it is for a
soul to obtain a human body.

In the human body, the consciousness of the soul is sufficiently
evolved to understand God and its relation to Him. In all the other 8
million non-human species, the consciousness of the soul is limited to
the bodily needs of eating, sleeping, mating, and defending.

In the material world, the consciousness of the soul evolves gradually
from fish, plants, insects, reptiles, birds, animals and then to
humans (including demigods, rakshasas, gandharvas etc).

There are 900,000 species of aquatic life; 2,000,000 species of plants
and trees; 1,100,000 species of insects; 1,000,000 species of bird
life; 3,000,000 species of beasts, and 400,000 species of human life.
—Padma Purana

And then, finally, after having attained the human form of life, the
soul is given the opportunity for the the consciousness to evolve from
Sraddha to Prema, meaning an evolution from faith in God to love of
God. Obviously, to love God, one needs to know Him first.

One attains the human form of life after transmigrating through
8,400,000 species by the process of gradual evolution. That human life
is spoiled for those conceited fools who do not take shelter of the
lotus feet of Govinda. --Brahma-vaivarta Purana

In the science of bhakti (devotion to God) the consciousness evolves
through 9 stages:

1. sraddha - faith

2. sadhu-sanga - association with saintly people

3. bhajana kriya - following and practicing devotional principles

4. anartha nivritti - purifying the mind from material contamination

5. nistha - becoming steady in one’s sadhana (practice)

6. ruchi - taste for Krishna

7. asakti - attachment to Krishna

8. bhava - the dawning of pure love of God

9. prema - pure, unalloyed love for Krishna

Krishna says:

After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge
surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all
that is. Such a great soul is very rare. (Bg 7.19)

Srila Prabhupada says:

As far as the soul is concerned, the evolutionary process is going on,
and we are struggling for existence, struggling to come to the point
of eternal life. That eternal life is possible. If you try your best
in this human form of life, in your next life you can get a spiritual
body. Your spiritual body is already within you, and it will develop
as soon as you become free from the contamination of this material
existence. That is the aim of human life. People do not know what
actual self-interest is; it is to realize oneself, to realize, "I am
part and parcel of God, and I have to return to the kingdom of God to
join with God."

—Back to Godhead Magazine-Build Your Nations on the Spiritual
Platform-An Address Given At The University Of Nairobi His Divine
Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
dale
2020-09-19 02:45:25 UTC
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The reason mankind is not evolving ...
Maya?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(religion)

the dot above Maya in the Sanskrit symbol Om is divine collective
consciousness?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turiya
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JWS
2020-09-19 07:01:02 UTC
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What is the reason mankind is not evolving?
What do you mean?
I had a cat the other day.
Christopher A. Lee
2020-09-19 12:02:04 UTC
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What is the reason mankind is not evolving?
What do you mean?
I had a cat the other day.
Jahnu had a cow.

I had a shit.
John Locke
2020-09-19 07:41:03 UTC
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What is the reason mankind is not evolving?
...that's just from the perspective of a theist. Atheists are evolving
to a highly superior state at an ever growing rate !.
Theists,.burdened with their inflexible, disjointed, nonsensical
religious dogmas are headed in a downward spiral towards extinction !


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Christopher A. Lee
2020-09-19 12:03:21 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 00:41:03 -0700, John Locke
Post by John Locke
What is the reason mankind is not evolving?
...that's just from the perspective of a theist. Atheists are evolving
to a highly superior state at an ever growing rate !.
Theists,.burdened with their inflexible, disjointed, nonsensical
religious dogmas are headed in a downward spiral towards extinction !
Mankind is evolving, but because the populationis so vast, it is
extremely slow.
John Locke
2020-09-19 12:59:49 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 00:41:03 -0700, John Locke
Post by John Locke
What is the reason mankind is not evolving?
...that's just from the perspective of a theist. Atheists are evolving
to a highly superior state at an ever growing rate !.
Theists,.burdened with their inflexible, disjointed, nonsensical
religious dogmas are headed in a downward spiral towards extinction !
Mankind is evolving, but because the populationis so vast, it is
extremely slow.
...yes, a process of nature that creationists seem unable
(or unwilling) to grasp.


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Christopher A. Lee
2020-09-19 15:36:06 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 07:03:21 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 00:41:03 -0700, John Locke
Post by John Locke
What is the reason mankind is not evolving?
...that's just from the perspective of a theist. Atheists are evolving
to a highly superior state at an ever growing rate !.
Theists,.burdened with their inflexible, disjointed, nonsensical
religious dogmas are headed in a downward spiral towards extinction !
Mankind is evolving, but because the populationis so vast, it is
extremely slow.
...yes, a process of nature that creationists seem unable
(or unwilling) to grasp.
Yes. Things which would once have been detrimental to survival, like
short sightedness, are no longer selected against - and that's without
genetic drift.
Siri Cruise
2020-09-19 16:24:21 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
Mankind is evolving, but because the populationis so vast, it is
extremely slow.
...yes, a process of nature that creationists seem unable
(or unwilling) to grasp.
Evolution is fast and given humans tend to exogamy, spreads
rapidly through the species. Big, visible changes are rare
because they require many cooperative nonfatal mutations and
those joint probabilities are low. Someone else pointed out the
mutation that allows adult lactasing. It gives carriers a
slightly expanded food choice. I expect that is being selected
for so the broken gene that causes it will show up in more and
more babies.
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Michael Christ
2020-09-19 21:10:51 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 00:41:03 -0700, John Locke
Post by John Locke
What is the reason mankind is not evolving?
...that's just from the perspective of a theist. Atheists are evolving
to a highly superior state at an ever growing rate !.
Theists,.burdened with their inflexible, disjointed, nonsensical
religious dogmas are headed in a downward spiral towards extinction !
Mankind is evolving, but because the populationis so vast, it is
extremely slow.
Yes, and in 4 billion years we will probably be floating IClouds.

And will only need a virtual particle latte.

Give me an Occam's, give me a Razor, give me an Occam's Razor! Yes, the
simpliest answer according to my simple mind is the answer!!

Man is a sinner, and sin will destroy him and the planet. Evolve that
reality, Dorkins, nuke that fact.





Michael Christ
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Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth?" "The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination". What do you
think sin is? Just a word??

"Compromise will condemn you."
Jahnu
2020-09-20 00:07:38 UTC
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Post by John Locke
...that's just from the perspective of a theist. Atheists are evolving
to a highly superior state at an ever growing rate !.
hahaha :D The only way you are evolving is towards disease, old age
and a miserabe death.
Post by John Locke
Theists,.burdened with their inflexible, disjointed, nonsensical
religious dogmas are headed in a downward spiral towards extinction !
Said the fool who'll soon be dead.

Krishna says:

The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal
fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very
hard with the six senses, which include the mind. (Bg 15.7)

The living entity in the material world carries his different
conceptions of life from one body to another, as the air carries
aromas. Thus he takes one kind of body and again quits it to take
another. (Bg 15.8)

The living entity, thus taking another gross body, obtains a certain
type of ear, eye, tongue, nose and sense of touch, which are grouped
about the mind. He thus enjoys a particular set of sense objects. (Bg
15.9)

The foolish cannot understand how a living entity can quit his body,
nor can they understand what sort of body he enjoys under the spell of
the modes of nature. But one whose eyes are trained in knowledge can
see all this. (Bg 15.10)

The endeavoring transcendentalists who are situated in
self-realization can see all this clearly. But those whose minds are
not developed and who are not situated in self-realization cannot see
what is taking place, though they may try. (Bg 15.11)
TT Liams
2020-09-21 00:03:46 UTC
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 00:41:03 -0700, John Locke
Post by John Locke
...that's just from the perspective of a theist. Atheists are
evolving
Post by Christopher A. Lee
Post by John Locke
to a highly superior state at an ever growing rate !.
hahaha :D The only way you are evolving is towards disease, old age
and a miserabe death.
Your a scared of truth, Janu, that's why your so ignorant to ppl.
Yap Honghor
2020-09-19 09:09:32 UTC
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The reason mankind is not evolving, but rather devolving, is a general
lack of spiritual knowledge.
Really?
You theists are devolving into mental people???
Malcolm McMahon
2020-09-19 10:45:35 UTC
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The reason mankind is not evolving, but rather devolving, is a general
lack of spiritual knowledge.
Actually I think we _are_ evolving. I think impulse control is improving
overall. Oh, and apparently natural blonds are headed for extinction. Then
there's the lactose tolerance changes which are relatively recent.
Davej
2020-09-19 14:26:54 UTC
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Another day, another pile of rubbish from the dimwit Jahnu.

Human evolution:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wim_Hof

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuliano_Stroe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_child_prodigies
Siri Cruise
2020-09-19 16:14:59 UTC
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Specific evolution is not predictable. Black death selected for
some english with an odd blood chemistry. It turns that blood
chemistry is being further selected for by HIV. With a diverse
enough species, someone will have slightly zigged cell membrane
that leaves them immune to a disease. That is the final barrier
to extinction. I've no doubt some people are naturally immune to
covid19, and they will alter h sapiens to make any corona virus
less virulent in the future.

Evolution isn't wings springing from a boy's back. It's tiny
little, oft invisible, tweaks to our chemistry that give tiny
little advantages for some new problem.
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Harry Krishna
2020-09-21 12:10:53 UTC
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The reason mankind is not evolving, but rather devolving, is a general
lack of spiritual knowledge.
Once again, Jesper attempts to pontificate on a subject of which he is
entirely ignorant.
Jahnu
2020-09-22 20:54:57 UTC
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Once again, Ah attempts to pontificate on a subject of which Ah is
entirely ignorant.
That's right, Hairyboy.

Evolution is probably the most common myth, people in general hold to
be true. Of course, most scientists know that evolution is pure
belief, with no evidence to back it up, still, this belief is being
taught in all educational institutions of the world, as a scientific
fact.

Before science came along, people needed religion to tell them about
the world. Religion taught people that God created the world, that God
was the original cause if everything.

Now a days, of course, we know better, because now we have science to
tell us how the world works. Today we we know that chemicals combined
to create life and then evolution created all the different living
entities.

The theory of evolution according to Darwin, is not even a theory
anymore. It’s been updated to science. For the last five decades or
so, evolution has been propagated to the general populace as a
scientific fact.

So lets examine how existence is accounted for by evolution, and see
if it makes any sense.

You see, first there was a pool of chemicals. Then, by the
fluctuations of those chemicals, an amoeba-like creature was formed,
and then this amoeba gradually, through many, many intermediate
species, grew legs and learned to talk.

Ok, so far so good. Don’t even think about whether the first human was
a male or female, that’s just an annoying detail, you don’t have to
worry about. Such annoying details are not taught in evolution.

Then, how did the first human learn to talk, when there was no one to
talk to? That’s another annoying detail they don’t teach in evolution.

So, you are the first human on the planet, completely alone, no one to
talk to. So what do you do? Do you sit down and wait for your counter
part to evolve, so you can begin procreating? Maybe you grunt a little
bit under your breath at the sheer idiocy of your situation.

hahaha :D I know, right? Who comes up with shit like that?

Also when your counter-part finally evolves, you can begin grunting
together and evolve some kind of language. Of course, don’t ask what
language a evolved, and speken by the first people, that’s another
annoying detail. As far as we know Sanskrit is the mother of all
languages, and how that fits into evolution is not yet clear.

Note, in contrast to the sheer idiocy of this evolution nonsense, and
it’s linear concept of time, the logical, coherent and authentic
explanation we are offered in the Vedic tradition - humans have simply
always existed. Time is cyclic - civilizations goes through endless
cycles of creation, maintenance, and destruction, age after age. At
least that explanation makes sense to a rational mind.

The modern explanation of evolution is not only improbable and highly
speculative, wishful thinking, it is also complete and utter
anti-intellectual garbage.

Still, it is being taught in all universities as an objective,
scientific fact. It is considered completely rational and the best
explanation according to observable facts. They actually teach you
that in school - evolution is the best explanation we have right now
to explain the world.

Of course, nobody with a brain actually believes in this nonsense, but
this is how it is being propagated to the broad masses.

The fact is that modern mainstream people are brainwashed fools. They
don’t have so much as one single independent thought in their brains.
If they didn’t have TV, newspapers and magazines to tell them what to
think and believe, they’d be up the proverbial creek without a paddle.

It’s a statistic fact that the general mass of people are more
disturbed and dissatisfied than ever before. Anti-depressants are
selling like never before. Some years ago WHO reported that the
biggest health problem facing humanity in the new millennium is that
more and more people will be born with mental problems. Is that the
symptoms of an evolved civilization?

It's rather peculiar how people in this scientific age are so little
scientifically oriented when it comes to God and religion. The dogma
has been created in modern society, that religion is faith only and
science is knowledge only. That’s hardly a scientific approach to
religion and God.

I can understand, how one may reject certain religions, but to
downright deny the existence of a Supreme Being is simply irrational,
and indicates an unevolved intellect.

There is nothing healthy or open-minded about being an atheist, and
the proof is that at the same rate society dispenses with its former
religious values, at the same rate society becomes debased, riddled
with crime and insanity.

Besides, it should be noted, that whether one calls himself a
Christian, Hindu, Mohammedan, Democrat, Republican or whatever, one
can still be of an atheistic mentality. It is not the designations we
put on ourselves that determine our identity. It's our mindsets and
actions and the knowledge we cultivate that define who we are.

There is a Bengali saying - phalena parichiyate - something is judged
by its result. Or, like Jesus said - you judge a tree by its fruits.
So things are judged and understood, not by their names, but by their
effects and influence. And the effect modern society has on the world
is one of destruction. Again, are those the symptoms of an evolved
culture?

In conclusion, here is what science has to say about evolution.

"Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are
great con-men, And the story they are telling may be the GREATEST HOAX
EVER." -- Dr.T.N.Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission

"We must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian
accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only
a variety of wishful speculations." -- Franklin Harold, Emeritus
Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Colorado State
University, in an Oxford University Press text.

"Darwinian evolution - whatever its other virtues - does not provide a
fruitful heuristic in experimental biology. This becomes especially
clear when we compare it with a heuristic framework such as the atomic
model, which opens up structural chemistry and leads to advances in
the synthesis of a multitude of new molecules of practical benefit.
None of this demonstrates that Darwinism is false. It does, however,
mean that the claim that it is the cornerstone of modern experimental
biology will be met with quiet skepticism from a growing number of
scientists in fields where theories actually do serve as cornerstones
for tangible breakthroughs." --U.S. National Academy of Sciences
member Philip Skell

"[The] Darwinian claim to explain all of evolution is a popular
half-truth whose lack of explicative power is compensated for only by
the religious ferocity of its rhetoric." --National Academy of
Sciences member Lynn Margulis

"Mutations have a very limited ?constructive capacity? . No matter how
numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of evolution."
--Past president of the French Academy of Sciences Pierre-Paul Grasse

"The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major
transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our
imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has
been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of
evolution." --Late American paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould

"Phylogenetic incongruities can be seen everywhere in the universal
tree, from its root to the major branchings within and among the
various taxa to the makeup of the primary groupings themselves." --The
father of molecular systematics, Carl Woese

"Most of the animal phyla that are represented in the fossil record
first appear, 'fully formed,' in the Cambrian . The fossil record is
therefore of no help with respect to the origin and early
diversification of the various animal phyla." --Invertebrate Zoology
Textbook

"It remains a mystery how the undirected process of mutation, combined
with natural selection, has resulted in the creation of thousands of
new proteins with extraordinarily diverse and well optimized
functions. This problem is particularly acute for tightly integrated
molecular systems that consist of many interacting parts." --Two
leading biologists inAnnual Review of Genomics and Human Genetics

"New species usually appear in the fossil record suddenly, not
connected with their ancestors by a series of intermediates."
--Eminent evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr

Science now know that many of the pillars of the Darwinian theory are
either false or misleading. Yet biology texts continue to present them
as factual evidence of Evolution. What does this imply about their
scientific standards? - Jonathan Wells

The bacteriologist Alan H. Linton wrote:

"None exists in the literature claiming that one species has been
shown to evolve into another. Bacteria, the simplest form of
independent life, are ideal for this kind of study, with generation
times of twenty to thirty minutes, and populations achieved after
eighteen hours. But throughout 150 years of the science of
bacteriology, there is no evidence that one species of bacteria has
changed into another. Since there is no evidence for species changes
between the simplest forms of unicellular life, it is not surprising
that there is no evidence for evolution from prokaryotic to eukaryotic
cells, let alone throughout the whole array of higher muliticellular
organisms."

Evolutionary biologists Lynn Margulis and Dorion Sagan echoed the same
thing in 2002:

"Speciation, whether in the remote Galapagos, in the laboratory cages
of the drosophilosophers, or in the crowded sediments of the
paleontologists, still has never been traced."

"Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself
whether I may have not devoted myself to a fantasy." (Charles Darwin,
The Life and Letters of Charles Darwin)
Harry Krishna
2020-09-23 12:57:39 UTC
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 08:10:53 -0400, Harry Krishna
Once again, Ah attempts to pontificate on a subject of which Ah is
entirely ignorant.
That's right,
Yes, it is: you never tire of displaying your ignorance.
Jahnu
2020-09-24 00:53:37 UTC
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Yes, it is: you never tire of displaying your ignorance.
Trying to assert human psychology without reference to the three modes
of material nature, as described by Krishna in Bhagavad Gita, is a
futile exercise. Human psychology cannot be understood fully without
taking into account triguna - the three modes of material nature.

How nature, including the body and mind, works according to the three
modes of nature is an exact science that can be used to read and
understand the functions and mechanisms of the mind.

So the psychological features of an individual is determined by which
mode of nature is prominent in a person. A person's psychological
make-up is always a mix of the three modes of material nature -
goodness, passion, and ignorance.

Regarding a person's beliefs and understanding in life, it can be
summarized in the following way. A person primarily in the mode of
goodness will understand what is what. He will understand reality as
it is. Such a person's beliefs won't later turn out to be false,
because he understands how nature works.

A person dominated by the mode of passion will always be doubtful as
to what is what. Thus, he will always be in doubt as to which religion
or course of action is the right one. Krishna describes this as a
person who cannot distinguish between religion and irreligion.

A person in the mode of ignorance will not be doubtful of anything. He
will be completely convinced, but of the wrong things. Examples of
this type of understanding is a Christian who is completely convinced
that only belief in Jesus can save a person, or an atheist who is
convinced beyond doubt that God does not exist. In both cases such
persons are ruled by ignorance.

Krishna describes such persons as being convinced that religion is
irreligion, and vice versa.

So the answer to the question - what makes people cling to their
beliefs, even in the face of contrary evidence - it is tama-guna, or
the mode of ignorance, that blinds people to the correct
understanding.

Persons in goodness always have the correct understanding. People in
passion may or may not have the correct understanding. And people in
ignorance always have the wrong understanding.

Krishna says:

O winner of wealth, now please listen as I tell you in detail of the
different kinds of understanding and determination, according to the
three modes of material nature. (Bg 18.29)

O son of Pritha, that understanding by which one knows what ought to
be done and what ought not to be done, what is to be feared and what
is not to be feared, what is binding and what is liberating, is in the
mode of goodness. (Bg 18.30)

O son of Pritha, that understanding which cannot distinguish between
religion and irreligion, between action that should be done and action
that should not be done, is in the mode of passion. (Bg 18.31)

That understanding which considers irreligion to be religion and
religion to be irreligion, under the spell of illusion and darkness,
and strives always in the wrong direction, O Partha, is in the mode of
ignorance. (Bg 18.32)

O son of Pritha, that determination which is unbreakable, which is
sustained with steadfastness by yoga practice, and which thus controls
the activities of the mind, life and senses is determination in the
mode of goodness. (Bg 18.33)

But that determination by which one holds fast to fruitive results in
religion, economic development and sense gratification is of the
nature of passion, O Arjuna. (Bg 18.34)

And that determination which cannot go beyond dreaming, fearfulness,
lamentation, moroseness and illusion - such unintelligent
determination, O son of Pritha, is in the mode of darkness. (Bg 18.35)
Harry Krishna
2020-09-24 11:56:45 UTC
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Yes, it is: you never tire of displaying your ignorance.
Trying to assert human psychology
Word salad. "Assert" isn't meaningful in this context.
Jahnu
2020-09-25 04:02:11 UTC
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Saunaka Rishi says:

Men who are like dogs, hogs, camels and asses praise those men who
never listen to the transcendental pastimes of Lord Sri Krishna, the
deliverer from evils. --SB 2.3.19

One who has not listened to the messages about the prowess and
marvelous acts of the Personality of Godhead and has not sung or
chanted loudly the worthy songs about the Lord is to be considered to
possess earholes like the holes of snakes and a tongue like the tongue
of a frog. --SB 2.3.20

The upper portion of the body, though crowned with a silk turban, is
only a heavy burden if not bowed down before the Personality of
Godhead who can award mukti [freedom]. And the hands, though decorated
with glittering bangles, are like those of a dead man if not engaged
in the service of the Personality of Godhead Hari. --SB 2.3.21

The eyes which do not look at the symbolic representations of the
Personality of Godhead Vishnu [His forms, name, quality, etc.] are
like those printed on the plumes of a peacock, and the legs which do
not move to the holy places [where the Lord is remembered] are
considered to be like tree trunks. --SB 2.3.22

The person who has not at any time received the dust of the feet of
the Lord's pure devotee upon his head is certainly a dead body. And
the person who has never experienced the aroma of the tulasi leaves
from the lotus feet of the Lord is also a dead body, although
breathing. --SB 2.3.23
Harry Krishna
2020-09-25 11:56:00 UTC
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Saunaka Rishi says: Oh, look! This is the fourth time Jesper has
randomly posted the same quote, since he has nothing to say of
his own!
Saunaka Rishi has got your number!
Jahnu
2020-09-25 20:41:25 UTC
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Krishna says:

Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not
to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found
in them. (Bg 16.7)

They say that this world is unreal, with no foundation, no God in
control. They say it is produced of sex desire and has no cause other
than lust. (Bg. 16.8)

Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves
and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works
meant to destroy the world. (Bg. 16.9)


Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons
become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated
in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and blaspheme against
the real religion. (Bg. 16.18)

Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I
perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various
demoniac species of life. (Bg. 16. 19)

Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, O son
of Kunti, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down
to the most abominable type of existence. (Bg. 16.20)

There are three gates leading to this hell - lust, anger and greed.
Every sane man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation
of the soul. (Bg. 16.21)

The man who has escaped these three gates of hell, O son of Kunti,
performs acts conducive to self-realization and thus gradually attains
the supreme destination. (Bg. 16.22)

He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own
whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme
destination. (Bg. 16.23)

One should therefore understand what is duty and what is not duty by
the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations,
one should act so that he may gradually be elevated. (Bg. 16.24)
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Krishna says: Oh, look! My devotee Jahnu is posting the same quote from
scripture that doesn't address anything he was responding to, for the seventh time today!
Nailed it, Krishna!
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2020-09-29 00:42:36 UTC
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Nailed it, Krishna!
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare
Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare

The above mantra consisting of 16 words and 32 syllables, is the only
means by which to protect against the evil influence of this age of
Kali. By researching all the Vedas, one will find no more sublime
process of religion than to recite the Hare Krishna mantra.

(Kali-santarana Upanishad)
Harry Krishna
2020-09-29 12:27:12 UTC
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Nailed it, Krishna!
Hare Krishna
"Pear pimples for Hairy Fishnuts!" - Opus
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2020-09-30 04:07:49 UTC
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"Both animals and men share the activities of eating, sleeping, mating
and defending. But the special property of the humans is that they are
able to engage in spiritual life. Therefore without spiritual life,
humans are on the level of animals." --Hitopadesa
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2020-09-30 13:31:05 UTC
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*Yawn*.
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2020-10-02 03:23:48 UTC
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Therefore Krishna says:

Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire
from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized
souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.
(Bg. 4.34)

Having obtained real knowledge from a self-realized soul, you will
never fall again into such illusion, for by this knowledge you will
see that all living beings are but part of the Supreme, or, in other
words, that they are Mine. (Bg.4.35)

Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when
you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge you will be
able to cross over the ocean of miseries. (Bg. 4.36)

As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire
of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities. (Bg.
4.37)

In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental
knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism. And
one who has become accomplished in the practice of devotional service
enjoys this knowledge within himself in due course of time. (Bg. 4.38)

A faithful man who is dedicated to transcendental knowledge and who
subdues his senses is eligible to achieve such knowledge, and having
achieved it he quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace. (Bg. 4.39)

But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures
do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting soul
there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next. (Bg. 4.40)
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You haven't put forth an argument. "Therefore" is unwarranted.
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"Both animals and men share the activities of eating, sleeping, mating
and defending. But the special property of the humans is that they are
able to engage in spiritual life. Therefore without spiritual life,
humans are on the level of animals." --Hitopadesa
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Boring. Find something else stupid to post already.
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Advanced Astronomy In the Srimad-Bhagavatam

This ancient Vedic text gives an accurate map of the planetary orbits
known to modern astronomy.

By Sadaputa Dasa (Richard Thompson, Ph.D)

TODAY WE TAKE for granted that the earth is a sphere, but the early
Greeks tended to think it was flat. For example, in the fifth century
B.C. the philosopher Thales thought of the earth as a disk floating on
water like a log. About a century later, Anaxagoras taught that it is
flat like a lid and stays suspended in air.

A few decades later, the famous atomist Democritus argued that the
earth is shaped like a tambourine and is tilted downwards toward the
south. Although some say that Pythagoras, in the sixth century B.C.,
was the first to view the earth as a sphere, this idea did not catch
on quickly among the Greeks, and the first attempt to measure the
earth’s diameter is generally attributed to Eratosthenes in the second
century B.C.

Scholars widely believe that prior to the philosophical and scientific
achievements of the Greeks, people in ancient civilized societies
regarded the earth as a flat disk. So to find that the Bhagavata
Purana of India appears to describe a flat earth comes as no surprise.

The Bhagavata Purana, or Srimad-Bhagavatam, is dated by scholars to
A.D. 500–1000, although it is acknowledged to contain much older
material and its traditional date is the beginning of the third
millennium B.C.

In the Bhagavatam, Bhumandala—the “earth mandala”—is a disk 500
million yojanas in diameter. The yojana is a unit of distance about 8
miles long, and so the diameter of Bhumandala is about 4 billion
miles. Bhumandala is marked by circular features designated as islands
and oceans. These features are listed in Table 1, along with their
dimensions, as given in the Bhagavatam.

There are seven islands, called dvipas, ranging from Jambudvipa to
Pushkaradvipa. Jambudvipa, the innermost, is a disk, and the other six
are successively larger rings. The islands alternate with ring-shaped
oceans, beginning with Lavanoda, the Salt Water Ocean surrounding
Jambudvipa, and ending with Svadudaka, the Sweet Water Ocean. Beyond
Svadudaka is another ring, called Kancanibhumi, or the Golden Land,
and then yet another, called AdarSatalopama, the Mirrorlike Land.

There are also three circular mountains we should note. The first is
Mount Meru, situated in the center of Bhumandala and shaped like an
inverted cone, with a radius ranging from 8,000 yojanas at the bottom
to 16,000 yojanas at the top. The other two mountains can be thought
of as very thin rings or circles.

The first, called Manasottara, has a radius of 15,750 thousand yojanas
and divides the island of Pushkaradvipa into two rings of equal
thickness. (In Table 1 these are referred to as inner and outer
Pushkaradvipa.) The second mountain, called Lokaloka, has a radius of
125,000 thousand yojanas and separates the inner, illuminated region
of Bhumandala (ending with the Mirrorlike Land) from the outer region
of darkness, Aloka-varsha.

At first glance, Bhumandala appears to be a highly artificial
portrayal of the earth as an enormous flat disk, with continents and
oceans that do not tally with geographical experience. But careful
consideration shows that Bhumandala does not really represent the
earth at all. To see why, we have to consider the motion of the sun.

In the Bhagavatam the sun is said to travel on a chariot (Figure 2).
The wheel of this chariot is made of parts of the year, such as months
and seasons. So it might be argued that the chariot is meant to be
taken metaphorically, rather than literally. But here we are concerned
more with the chariot’s dimensions than with its composition.

The chariot has an axle that rests at one end on Mount Meru, in the
center of Jambudvipa. On the other end, the axle connects to a wheel
that “continuously rotates on Manasottara Mountain like the wheel of
an oil-pressing machine.”**6 The wheel rolls on top of Mount
Manasottara, which is like a circular race track.

The sun rides on a platform joined to the axle at an elevation of
100,000 thousand yojanas from the surface of Bhumandala. Since the
axle extends from Mount Meru to Mount Manasottara, its length must be
15,750 thousand yojanas, or 157.5 times as long as the height of the
sun above Bhumandala.

Since the sun’s platform is somewhere on the axle between Meru (in the
center) and the wheel (running on the circular track of Manasottara),
it follows that to an observer at the center the sun always seems very
close to the surface of Bhumandala.

To see this, imagine building a scale model of the sun’s chariot on a
level field, with 1 foot representing 100,000 thousand yojanas. In
this model, the sun is a ball riding 1 foot above the field on an axle
157.5 feet long. One end of the axle pivots around Mount Meru, which
is about 1 foot high (or a little less), and the other end goes
through a wheel about 1 foot in diameter which follows a circular
track.

If the sun is a good part of the way out from the center (say, 50 feet
or more), it will seem close to the field from the point of view of an
observer lying down with his eye close to the base of Mount Meru. The
same is true if the model is scaled up to actual size.

Suppose that Bhumandala represents our local horizon extended out into
a huge flat disk—the so-called flat earth. Then an observer standing
in Jambudvipa, near the center, must see the sun continuously skim
around the horizon in a big circle, without either rising into the sky
or setting.

This is actually what one can see at the north or south pole at
certain times in the year, but it is not what one sees in India. The
conclusion, therefore, is that Bhumandala does not represent an
extension of our local horizon. Since the sun is always close to
Bhumandala, and since the sun rises, goes high into the sky, and then
sets, it follows that the disk of Bhumandala is tilted at a steep
angle to an observer standing in India.

In brief, Bhumandala is where the sun goes. It extends high into the
sky overhead and also far beneath the observer’s feet. Furthermore, it
must be regarded as invisible, for if it were opaque it would block
our view of a good part of the sky.

Bhumandala is not the “flat earth,” but what is it? One possibility is
the solar system. In modern astronomy, each planet orbits the sun in a
plane. The planes of these orbits lie at small angles to one another,
and thus all the orbits are close to one plane.

Astronomers call the plane of the earth’s orbit the ecliptic, and this
is also the plane of the sun’s orbit, from the point of view of an
observer stationed on the earth. To an observer on the earth, the
solar system is a more-or-less flat arrangement of planetary orbits
that stay close to the path of the sun.

Bhumandala is far too big to be the earth, but in size it turns out
quite a reasonable match for the solar system. Bhumandala has a radius
of 250 million yojanas, and at the traditional figure of 8 miles per
yojana this comes to 2 billion miles. For comparison, the orbit of
Uranus has a radius of about 1.8 billion miles.

If we move in from the outer edge of Bhumandala we meet the Lokaloka
mountain, with a radius of 125 million yojanas, or about 1 billion
miles. From Uranus the next planet inward is Saturn, with an orbital
radius of about 0.9 billion miles. Thus we find a rough agreement
between certain planetary orbits and some circular features of
Bhumandala.

Of course, Bhumandala is earth centered. Its innermost island,
Jambudvipa, contains Bharata-varsha, which Srila Prabhupada has
repeatedly identified as the planet earth. In contrast, the orbits of
the planets are centered on the sun. How, then, can they be compared
to earth-centered features of Bhumandala?

The solution is to express the orbits of the planets in geocentric
(earth-centered) form. Although the calculations of modern astronomy
treat these orbits as heliocentric (sun-centered), the orbits can be
expressed in relation to any desired center of observation, including
the earth. In fact, since we live on the earth, it is reasonable for
us to look at planetary orbits from a geocentric point of view.

The geocentric orbit of a planet is a product of two heliocentric
motions, the motion of the earth around the sun and the motion of the
planet around the sun. To draw it, we shift to the earth as center,
and show the planet orbiting the sun, which in turn orbits the earth.

This is shown in Figure 1 for the planet Mercury. The looping curve of
the planet’s geocentric orbit lies between two boundary curves, in the
figure marked A and B. If we continue plotting the orbit for a long
enough time, the orbital paths completely fill the donut-shaped area
between these two curves.

If we superimpose the orbits of Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and
Saturn on a map of Bhumandala, we find that the boundary curves of
each planet’s orbit tend to line up with circular features of
Bhumandala.

Thus the inner boundary of Mercury’s orbit swings in and nearly grazes
feature 10 in Table 1, and its outer boundary swings out and nearly
grazes feature 13. We can sum this up by saying that Mercury’s
boundary curves are tangent to features 10 and 13. The boundary curves
of the orbit of Venus are likewise tangent to features 8 and 14 as
shown in

Figure 4, and those of the orbit of Mars are tangent to features 9 and
15. Figure 5 shows the alignments between features of Bhumandala and
the boundary curves of Mercury, Venus, and Mars. The inner boundary of
Jupiter’s orbit is tangent to feature 16, and the outer boundary of
Saturn’s orbit is tangent to feature 17.

These alignments are shown graphically in Figure 6. If we include
Uranus, we find that its outer boundary lines up with feature 18, the
outer edge of Bhumandala. The orbital alignments make use of over half
the circular features of Bhumandala. Each of the features from 8 to
18, with the exception of 11 and 12, aligns with one orbital boundary
curve.

But it turns out that features 11 and 12 also fit into the orbital
picture. Unlike the planetary orbits, the geocentric orbit of the sun
is nearly circular, since it is simply the earth’s heliocentric orbit
as seen from the earth. The sun’s orbit lies almost exactly halfway
between the circular features 11 and 12, and this is shown in Figure
5.

To compare geocentric orbits measured in miles with Bhumandala
features measured in yojanas, we have to know how many miles there are
in a yojana. I began by using 8 miles per yojana, in accordance with
Prabhupada's statement “One yojana equals approximately eight miles.”

But there is a simple way to refine this estimate. We have seen that
the boundary curves of the planets tend to line up with the circular
features of Bhumandala. The trick, then, is to find the number of
miles per yojana at which the curves and features line up the best.

A boundary curve can touch a circular feature at either its apogee
(point furthest from the earth) or its perigee (point closest to the
earth). This gives us 4 points (apogee and perigee of curves A and B)
that I call turning points. This is illustrated in Figure 7.

In note 9 I use turning points to define a measure of “goodness of
fit” that tells us how good an alignment of features and orbits is.
Figure 3 is a plot of goodness of fit against the length of the
yojana, for lengths ranging from 5 to 10 miles. The curve has a
pronounced peak at 8.575 miles per yojana. This value—reasonably close
to the traditional figure of 8 miles—gives the best fit between
features of Bhumandala and planetary orbits.

To compute the geocentric orbits of the planets, I used a modern
ephemeris program. Such calculations must be done for a particular
date. I used the traditional date for the beginning of Kali-yuga:
February 18, 3102 B.C. But it turns out that the results are nearly
the same for a wide range of dates. So the orbital calculations do not
tell us when the Bhagavatam was written, but they are consistent with
the traditional date of about 3100 B.C.

Table 2 lists the correlations between planetary boundary curves and
features of Bhumandala, using 8.575 miles per yojana. The error
percentages tell how far the radius of each feature differs from the
radius of its corresponding turning point, and they show that there is
a close agreement between planetary orbits and various features of
Bhumandala. Besides the planets Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and
Saturn, I have included the sun, the planet Uranus, and Ceres, the
principal asteroid, since these are also part of the total pattern.

Table 2. Correlation between radii of features of Bhumandala and
orbital turning points. The feature radii are from Table 1 and are in
thousands of yojanas. Error percentage is the error in the feature
radius relative to the corresponding orbital turning point. The
orbital turning points are calculated for the beginning of Kali-yuga,
using a modern ephemeris program. They are expressed in thousands of
yojanas using 8.575 miles per yojana.

The sun’s mean orbital radius falls within 1% of the center of
Dadhyoda (the Yogurt Ocean), which is bounded by features 11 and 12 in
Table 1. This puts the sun about halfway between Mounts Meru and
Manasottara along the axle of its chariot.

Although Uranus is not mentioned in the Bhagavatam, its orbit lies
near the outer boundary of Bhumandala, in the region of darkness
called Aloka-varsha. It is noteworthy that the inner boundary of
Aloka-varsha is the circular Lokaloka Mountain, said to serve as the
outer boundary for all luminaries.

This is consistent with the fact that the five planets visible to the
naked eye are Mercury through Saturn (Saturn’s orbit lies just within
the boundary of Lokaloka Mountain).

Asteroids orbit mainly in the region between Mars and Jupiter where
astronomers, on the basis of orbital regularities (the so-called
Bode-Titius law), predicted the existence of a planet. Asteroids are
generally thought to be raw materials for a planet that never formed,
though some astronomers have speculated that asteroids may be debris
from a planet that disintegrated. Ceres is the largest body in the
asteroid belt, and its geocentric orbit lines up well with the outer
boundary of Kancanibhumi (feature 16). The hundreds of orbits of
smaller main-belt asteroids are scattered fairly evenly around the
orbit of Ceres.

As already mentioned, and as shown in Figure 3, the correlation
between Bhumandala and the planetary orbits is best at 8.575 miles per
yojana. This length for the yojana was calculated entirely on the
basis of the Bhagavatam and the planetary orbits.

Yet it is confirmed by a completely different line of investigation.
As I explained in the previous issue of BTG, the yojana has close ties
to the dimensions of the earth globe and to units of measurement used
in ancient Western civilizations.

My investigations about this led independently to a length of 8.59
miles for one standard of the yojana, a figure that agrees well with
the length of 8.575 miles obtained from the orbital study. This
agreement underscores the point that Bhumandala does not represent the
planet earth, since the 8.59 mile figure reflects accurate knowledge
of the size and shape of the earth globe (including the slight polar
flattening).

We should note that the Bhagavatam lists heights of the planets above
Bhumandala. These heights are sometimes interpreted as the distances
in a straight line from the planets to the earth globe, but they are
far too small for this. Table 3 compares the heights listed in the
Bhagavatam with the mean distances of the planets from the earth,
which are many times larger.

Table 3. Heights of the planets above Bhumandala in thousands of
yojanas, as given in the Bhagavata Purana and as calculated using
modern astronomy. The modern heights denote the maximum distances the
planets move perpendicular to the plane of the solar system, the plane
I have suggested that Bhumandala represents.

For comparison, the mean distances of the planets from the earth are
listed.** (The mean distance is the halfway point between the minimum
and maximum distance of the planet from the earth, as computed using
modern astronomy.)

The arguments presented here suggest that the planetary heights
actually represent distances perpendicular to the plane of Bhumandala.
Since Bhumandala represents the plane of the solar system, the heights
listed in the Bhagavatam should be compared to the furthest distances
the planets move perpendicular to the ecliptic plane. (Since the sun
in the ecliptic plane lies 100 thousand yojanas from Bhumandala, the
figures should be offset by that amount.)

Table 3 makes this comparison and this is also indicated in Figure 8.
We see that for the sun, Venus, Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter, the height
listed in the Bhagavatam roughly agrees with the modern height. For
Saturn the modern height is about 4 times too large, but it is still
much closer to the Bhagavatam height than the mean distance, which is
about 74 times too large.

I suggest that the heights listed in the Bhagavatam give a simple
estimate of the maximum movement of the planets away from the ecliptic
plane. This supports the interpretation of Bhumandala as a simple but
realistic map of the planetary orbits in the solar system. The
flatness of the solar system is also indicated by the small magnitude
of the Bhagavatam heights in comparison with the large radial
distances listed in Tables 1, 2, and 3.

In conclusion, the circular features of Bhumandala from 8 through 18
correlate strikingly with the orbits of the planets from Mercury
through Uranus (with the sun standing in for the earth because of the
geocentric perspective). It would seem that Bhumandala can be
interpreted as a realistic map of the solar system, showing how the
planets move relative to the earth.

Statistical studies (not documented here) support this conclusion by
bearing out that when you choose sets of concentric circles at random,
they do not tend to match planetary orbits closely and systematically
like the features of Bhumandala.

The small percentages of error in Table 2 imply that the author of the
Bhagavatam was able to take advantage of advanced astronomy. Since he
made use of a unit of distance (the yojana) defined accurately in
terms of the dimensions of the earth, he must also have had access to
advanced geographical knowledge.

Such knowledge of astronomy and geography was not developed in recent
times until the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries. It was
not available to the most advanced of the ancient Greek astronomers,
Claudius Ptolemy, in the second century A.D., and it was certainly
unknown to the pre-Socratic Greek philosophers of the fifth century
B.C.

It would appear that advanced astronomical knowledge was developed by
some earlier civilization and then lost until recent times. The
so-called flat earth of classical antiquity may represent a later
misunderstanding of a realistic astronomical concept that dates back
to an earlier time and is still preserved within the text of the
Srimad-Bhagavatam.

4. British readers, please note: The billions in this article are
American; the British billion has three zeros more.

5. The translation of Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.20.35 says that beyond the
ocean of sweet water is a tract of land as wide as the distance from
Mount Meru to Manasottara Mountain (15,750 thousand yojanas), and
beyond it is a land of gold with a mirrorlike surface. But examination
of the Sanskrit text shows that the first tract of land is made of
gold, and beyond it is a land with a mirrorlike surface. We have
listed this as - AdarSatalopama, based on the text.

6. Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.21.13.

7. In several places Srila Prabhupada has written that the planet
earth was named Bharata-varsha after Maharaja Bharata, the son of
Rishabhadeva.

8. Srimad-Bhagavatam Fifth Canto, Chapter 16, Chapter Summary.

9. “Goodness of fit” can be defined as follows: For each planetary
orbit, we can find the shortest distance from a turning point to a
circular feature of Bhumandala. The reciprocal of the root mean square
of these distances for Mercury through Saturn is the measure of
goodness of fit. This measure becomes large when the average distance
from turning points to Bhumandala features becomes small.

10. All orbital calculations were performed using the ephemeris
programs of Duffett-Smith, Peter, 1985, Astronomy with Your Personal
Computer, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

11. The 11.2% error of Mars stands out as larger than the others,
since Mars partially crosses over feature 9, the outer boundary of
Krauncadvipa. The Bhagavatam may refer to this indirectly, since it
states in verse 5.20.19 that Mount Kraunca in Krauncadvipa was
attacked by Kartikeya, who is the regent of Mars.

12. Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.20.37.

13. The mean distances of the sun, Venus, and Mercury are the same
because Venus and Mercury are inner planets that orbit the sun as the
sun orbits the earth (when seen from a geocentric point of view).

—Sadaputa Dasa (Richard L. Thompson) earned his Ph.D. in mathematics
from Cornell University. He is the author of several books, of which
the most recent is Alien Identities: Ancient Insights into Modern UFO
Phenomena.
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Advanced Astronomy In the Srimad-Bhagavatam
This ancient Vedic text gives an accurate map of the planetary orbits
known to modern astronomy.
No, it doesn't: Vedic astronomy is geocentric. That makes it wrong
from the start. You really are an idiot.
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No, it doesn't: Vedic astronomy is geocentric. That makes it wrong
from the start. You really are an idiot.
I think it's a plot to justify the use of the tax-payers money on
space exploration. In my opinion, everything they say about space -
black holes, galaxies light-years away, the stars being suns of other
solar-systems, our solar system being helio-centric rather than
geo-centric etc. is based on pure and unalloyed speculation. And you
lap it up like a good indoctrinated little citizen.

When it comes to things outside the sense-perception of man, it is
basically a matter of which authority we accept information from.
Personally I accept the authority of the Vedic version. Others may
accept the authority of NASA and other space organizations, and so be
it, but ultimately we have to recognize that the knowledge ordinary
citizens have about space is second-hand knowledge.

Now a days it is more or less common knowledge that NASA did not land
people on the moon in 1969. If they actually did, where is the
space-station on the Moon? Where are the regular trips to the Moon
that NASA promised at the time?

It's been 50 years since the first trip to the Moon, and the
technology has advanced leaps and bounds since then, still, today, 50
years after the so-called Moon-landings, NASA has not conducted so
much as one single manned space travel or space adventure worth
mentioning. They advertise and scream it out in all media when they
launch one of their space-shuttles, but it can hardly qualify as
travelling in space when all they are doing is flying out to a
space-station in orbit a few meters outside the earth's atmosphere.

And they call it the space-age. What's so 'space' about this age, I
ask. They can hardly get their shuttle a few meters outside the
earth's atmosphere without all kinds of problems in 2019, still they
want us to believe that they went to the Moon in 1969? Space-travel??
hahaha :) space-travel my ass.

Shukadeva Goswami says:

By the strength of scientific knowledge, one should be well situated
in absolute realization and thus be able to extinguish all material
desires. One should then give up the material body by blocking the air
hole [through which stool is evacuated] with the heel of one's foot
and by lifting the life air from one place to another in the six
primary places. -SB 2.2.19
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No, it doesn't: Vedic astronomy is geocentric. That makes it wrong
from the start. You really are an idiot.
I think it's a plot to justify the use of the tax-payers money on
space exploration. In my opinion, everything they say about space -
black holes, galaxies light-years away, the stars being suns of other
solar-systems, our solar system being helio-centric rather than
geo-centric etc. is based on pure and unalloyed speculation.
No it isn't. Let's check off astronomy as the latest field you know
literally nothing about.
Jahnu
2020-10-08 22:57:03 UTC
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bitch maon whine
Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
Harry Krishna
2020-10-09 12:15:37 UTC
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bitch maon whine
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization that Vedic astronomy
is geocentric, making it dead wrong.
Fixed it for you.
Jahnu
2020-10-11 01:50:47 UTC
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 08:15:37 -0400, Harry Krishna
Fixed it for mama.
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare

Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare

"This mantra, consisting of 16 words and 32 syllables, is the only
means against evil in the age of Kali. After searching through all the
Vedic literature, one cannot find a method of religion more sublime
for this age than the chanting of Hare Krishna."

--- Kali-santarana Upanishad

One can never go wrong, adding Krishna to one’s life. It’s less about
faith and more about a tangible experience of the improvement in one’s
life-performance that comes from Krishna’s love.

Srila Prabhupada used to say that life in a material body is like a
string of zeros. No matter how many zeros you add to it, it still
comes out to nothing. But by adding the ONE of Krishna, all the zeros
suddenly increase their value.

As humans we basically have three options - live a life absorbed in
our body and its culture, live a life for God, or live a mixture of
the two.

Since most of us can’t just give up our bodily culture, and surrender
to Krishna in pure love, we can mix Krishna with our lives, we can
make Him the final aim of life.

One can have that goal and at the same time perform the prescribed
activities for family and society. One cannot serve Krishna by one’s
material activities, but one can give Krishna some of the result of
such activities by, for instance, dedicating one’s time, or some
monetary donations to the temple.

In this way we can gradually develop our love for Krishna, and as we
become purified we can give up more and more activities for the body
and mind, and replace them with activities for Krishna.

Krishna says:

Having awakened faith in the narrations of My glories, being disgusted
with all material activities, knowing that all sense gratification
lead to misery, but still being unable to renounce all sense
enjoyment, My devotee should remain happy and worship Me with great
faith and conviction. Even though he is sometimes engaged in sense
enjoyment, My devotee knows that all sense gratification leads to a
miserable result, and he sincerely repents such activities.

-- Srimad Bhagavatam. 11.20.27
Harry Krishna
2020-10-13 14:33:22 UTC
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On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 08:15:37 -0400, Harry Krishna
Fixed it for mama.
Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare
Repeating your mantra won't fix the fact that Vedic astronomy is
geocentric, meaning it's wrong.
Jahnu
2020-10-14 01:51:54 UTC
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Post by Harry Krishna
Repeating your mantra won't fix the fact that Vedic astronomy is
geocentric, meaning it's wrong.
hahaha :D The only thing you know of our solar system is what some
clown in a lab-coat told you on TV. Don't you ever forget that,
Hairyboy.

Karma, vikarma and akarma are the three types of karma explained in
Bhagavad Gita.

Karma means activities performed according to shastric rules. Such
pious actions lead to heaven.

Vikarma means sinful activities - actions that cause harm to other
living entities. Such sinful activities lead to hell.

Akarma means performing activities with no resultant reactions. Such
transcendental activities are performed for the sake of Krishna.

When actions are done for Krishna, it leads to eternity, knowledge,
and bliss.

So, karma is work that keeps you in the material world of samsara to
enjoy the pious fruits of your actions. Vikarma is sinful work that
keeps you suffering in samsara - life after life. And akarma is work
done for Vishnu, and which gets you out of the cycle of birth and
death.
Harry Krishna
2020-10-14 12:25:25 UTC
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:33:22 -0400, Harry Krishna
Post by Harry Krishna
Repeating your mantra won't fix the fact that Vedic astronomy is
geocentric, meaning it's wrong.
hahaha :D The only thing you know of our solar system
I know far more than you do about it, as with every subject you try to
bluff your way through. Yet you never learn.
Jahnu
2020-10-16 00:48:27 UTC
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I know far more than mah mama do about it, as with every subject Ah try to
bluff mah way through. Yet Ah never learn.
That's right, Hairyboy, you are too dumb to learn anything.

If the world is indeed relative as asserted by atheists, nothing is
ultimately right or wrong, since good and evil, in that case, is based
on someone's opinions.

Actually, in nature, nothing is wrong or right. It just is. It's not
wrong for a tiger to kill and eat a goat. If you own the goat, it may
be wrong for you, but it's not wrong for the tiger. It's just
following its nature.

Thus atheism has no basis except ignorance. They don't know the first
cause. They think the first cause i material, but that's baseless
speculation and wishful thinking.

Krishna says:

Nature is said to be the cause of all material causes and effects,
whereas the living entity is the cause of the various sufferings and
enjoyments in this world.--Bg 13.21

The living entity in material nature thus follows the ways of life,
enjoying the three modes of nature. This is due to his association
with that material nature. Thus he meets with good and evil among
various species.--Bg 13.22
Harry Krishna
2020-10-19 16:01:17 UTC
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On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 08:25:25 -0400, Harry Krishna
I know far more than mah mama do about it, as with every subject Ah try to
bluff mah way through. Yet Ah never learn.
That's right, Hairyboy, you are too dumb to learn anything.
I demonstrably know more than you about literally everything you post
about, so that's just more of your endless nonsense. It's cute that
you believe it, though.
Jahnu
2020-10-20 00:48:40 UTC
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Post by Harry Krishna
I demonstrably know more than you about literally everything you post
about, so that's just more of your endless nonsense. It's cute that
you believe it, though.
hahaha :D How deluded can you get?

I'm so superior to you in intellect, I make you look like a door-knob.

Lord Rishabhadeva told His sons:

My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material
bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should
not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is
available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in
penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional
service. By such activity, one's heart is purified, and when one
attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is
transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever.

-- Srimad Bhagavatam 5.5.1
Harry Krishna
2020-10-20 14:17:34 UTC
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:01:17 -0400, Harry Krishna
Post by Harry Krishna
I demonstrably know more than you about literally everything you post
about, so that's just more of your endless nonsense. It's cute that
you believe it, though.
hahaha :D How deluded can you get?
Deluded enough to join a cult and post religious nonsense to a group
of atheists, in your case. But seriously, yes, I know far more than
you about every topic you bring up. This is not because I'm some kind
of genius polymath, it's because you're a wannabe bullshit artist who
thinks you can get away with bluffing your way through subjects you
don't understand in the least, and then gets pissed off when no one is
fooled, and people point out that you're full of it.

So, as far as you knowing more than me, about anything, no one is
fooled, and as always, you're full of it. Namaste, asshole. Good luck
explaining to Krishna why you made ISKCON look like a bunch of
ignorant, nasty lunatics for so many years.
vallor
2020-10-21 21:43:00 UTC
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Post by Harry Krishna
I demonstrably know more than you about literally everything you post
about, so that's just more of your endless nonsense. It's cute that you
believe it, though.
hahaha :D How deluded can you get?
Deluded enough to join a cult and post religious nonsense to a group of
atheists, in your case. But seriously, yes, I know far more than you
about every topic you bring up. This is not because I'm some kind of
genius polymath, it's because you're a wannabe bullshit artist who
thinks you can get away with bluffing your way through subjects you
don't understand in the least, and then gets pissed off when no one is
fooled, and people point out that you're full of it.
So, as far as you knowing more than me, about anything, no one is
fooled, and as always, you're full of it. Namaste, asshole. Good luck
explaining to Krishna why you made ISKCON look like a bunch of ignorant,
nasty lunatics for so many years.
+1
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Ted
2020-10-21 22:15:30 UTC
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On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 12:01:17 -0400, Harry Krishna
Post by Harry Krishna
I demonstrably know more than you about literally everything you post
about, so that's just more of your endless nonsense. It's cute that you
believe it, though.
hahaha :D How deluded can you get?
Deluded enough to join a cult and post religious nonsense to a group of
atheists, in your case. But seriously, yes, I know far more than you
about every topic you bring up. This is not because I'm some kind of
genius polymath, it's because you're a wannabe bullshit artist who
thinks you can get away with bluffing your way through subjects you
don't understand in the least, and then gets pissed off when no one is
fooled, and people point out that you're full of it.
So, as far as you knowing more than me, about anything, no one is
fooled, and as always, you're full of it. Namaste, asshole. Good luck
explaining to Krishna why you made ISKCON look like a bunch of ignorant,
nasty lunatics for so many years.
+1
Well said.

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