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Total Depravity
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b***@gmail.com
2020-02-08 17:10:37 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner


1. STATEMENT OF THE DOCTRINE

IN the Westminster Confession the doctrine of Total Inability is stated as
follows: — "Man, by his fall Into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all
ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a
natural man, being altogether averse from good, and dead in sin, is not
able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself
thereunto."

Paul, Augustine, and Calvin have as their starting point the fact that all
mankind sinned in Adam and that all men are "without excuse," Rom. 2:1.
Time and again Paul tells us that we are dead in trespasses and sins,
estranged from God, and helpless. In writing to the Ephesian Christians he
reminded them that before they received the Gospel they were "separate
from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from
the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the
world," 2:12. There we notice the five-fold emphasis as he piles phrase on
top of phrase to stress this truth.
LinuxGal
2020-02-08 18:45:11 UTC
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Paul, Augustine, and Calvin have as their starting point the fact that all
mankind sinned in Adam and that all men are "without excuse," Rom. 2:1.
Also Bible: "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the
father."
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Bob
2020-02-08 19:54:06 UTC
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Paul, Augustine, and Calvin have as their starting point the fact that all
mankind sinned in Adam and that all men are "without excuse," Rom. 2:1.
Also Bible: "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father."
Non sequitur.

But thanks for playing.

Be sure and pick up your consolation prize
on your way out the door, and drive safe.
LinuxGal
2020-02-08 20:18:09 UTC
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Paul, Augustine, and Calvin have as their starting point the fact that all
mankind sinned in Adam and that all men are "without excuse," Rom. 2:1.
Also Bible: "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father."
Non sequitur.
Did Cain sin? If he "sinned in Adam" then he bears the
inquity of the father, contrary to the Word of God in
Ezekiel. Lather, rinse, repeat, all the way down to the
modern day. You can't just say "non sequitur" and have it
so, any more than Duke can say "strawman" and have it so.
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Bob
2020-02-08 20:48:17 UTC
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Paul, Augustine, and Calvin have as their starting point the fact that all
mankind sinned in Adam and that all men are "without excuse," Rom. 2:1.
Also Bible: "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father."
Non sequitur.
But thanks for playing.
Be sure and pick up your consolation prize
on your way out the door, and drive safe.
Did Cain sin?  If he "sinned in Adam" then he bears the inquity of the
father, contrary to the Word of God in Ezekiel.  Lather, rinse, repeat,
all the way down to the modern day.  You can't just say "non sequitur"
and have it so, any more than Duke can say "strawman" and have it so.
It's alright. You don't have to believe me, if you don't want to.

It doesn't really matter one way or the other.

Without the indwelling Holy Spirit, you will always be wrong.

But if anyone wants to learn more about this, you can find out
from the links you'll see here:

<https://www.monergism.com/topics/adam/original-sin-fall/imputation-adam%E2%80%99s-sin>

or

https://tinyurl.com/wvh6wvp

Or, sit in on a Theology 101 class at a Christian seminary nearby.
default
2020-02-09 12:14:38 UTC
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Without the indwelling Holy Spirit, you will always be wrong.
Catch-22

You MUST believe the indoctrination, before you CAN believe the
indoctrination.
Christopher A. Lee
2020-02-09 12:23:43 UTC
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Without the indwelling Holy Spirit, you will always be wrong.
Catch-22
You MUST believe the indoctrination, before you CAN believe the
indoctrination.
And the indoctrination is always wrong.

The things they are indoctrinated to believe, simply don't happen.
michellemalkingmail.com
2020-02-11 16:41:38 UTC
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Paul, Augustine, and Calvin have as their starting point the fact that all
mankind sinned in Adam and that all men are "without excuse," Rom. 2:1.
Also Bible: "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father."
Non sequitur.
But thanks for playing.
Be sure and pick up your consolation prize
on your way out the door, and drive safe.
Did Cain sin?  If he "sinned in Adam" then he bears the inquity of the
father, contrary to the Word of God in Ezekiel.  Lather, rinse, repeat,
all the way down to the modern day.  You can't just say "non sequitur"
and have it so, any more than Duke can say "strawman" and have it so.
It's alright. You don't have to believe me, if you don't want to.
It doesn't really matter one way or the other.
Without the indwelling Holy Spirit, you will always be wrong.
But if anyone wants to learn more about this, you can find out
<https://www.monergism.com/topics/adam/original-sin-fall/imputation-adam%E2%80%99s-sin>
or
https://tinyurl.com/wvh6wvp
Or, sit in on a Theology 101 class at a Christian seminary nearby.
Your god of the myths is responsible for Adam's death and Cain committing
murder. Your godthing is supposed to know everything past, present and
future, since he created all of it. He made Cain to be the way he was.
If your godlet had simply said thank you to both brothers (both of whom
had worked their asses off and brought the best of their work), there
would have been no murder. Everyone would have been happy. What did a
bunch of ignorant religious writers from that time period know about changing from a hunting and gathering group to an agricultural society?
The change had already been made at the time of this myth. For me, this
is a tale of jealousy set into motion by a god with a sick sense of humor.
Humans always create emotionally cruel gods because they only know what
they see in themselves - this can be due to mental illness or simple greed
for power (which can be a form of mental illness.).
Michael Cole
2020-02-08 20:26:22 UTC
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Of course. Religious people regard human nature as depraved. That is the phenomenon psychologists call projection.
Ivan The Terrible
2020-02-09 21:34:57 UTC
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Post by Michael Cole
Of course. Religious people regard human nature as depraved. That is the phenomenon psychologists call projection.
Not all religions do that.
Davej
2020-02-08 20:32:39 UTC
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[...]
Paul, Augustine, and Calvin have as their starting point the fact that all
mankind sinned in Adam and that all men are "without excuse," Rom. 2:1.
Too bad. Fact: Adam never existed.
Bob
2020-02-08 20:54:00 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner


2. THE EXTENT AND EFFECTS OF ORIGINAL SIN

This doctrine of Total Inability, which declares that men are dead in
sin, does not mean that all men are equally bad, nor that any man is as
bad as he could be, nor that any one is entirely destitute of virtue,
nor that human nature is evil in itself, nor that man's spirit is
inactive, and much less does it mean that the body Is dead. What it does
mean is that since the fail man rests under the curse of sin, that he is
actuated by wrong principles, and that he is wholly unable to love God
or to do anything meriting salvation. His corruption is extensive but
not necessarily intensive.

It is in this sense that man since the fall "is utterly indisposed,
disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all
evil." He possesses a fixed bias of the will against God, and
instinctively and willingly turns to evil. He is an alien by birth, and
a sinner by choice. The inability under which he labors is not an
inability to exercise volitions, but an inability to be willing to
exercise holy volitions. And it is this phase of it which led Luther to
declare that "Free-will is an empty term, whose reality is lost. And a
lost liberty, according to my grammar, is no liberty at all." In matters
pertaining to his salvation, the unregenerate man is not at liberty to
choose between good and evil, but only to choose between greater and
lesser evil, which is not properly free will. The fact that fallen man
still has ability to do certain acts morally good in themselves does not
prove that he can do acts meriting salvation, for his motives may be
wholly wrong.
Bob
2020-02-09 03:37:53 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner


Man is a free agent but he cannot originate the love of God in his
heart. His will is free in the sense that it is not controlled by any
force outside of himself. As the bird with a broken wing is "free" to
fly but not able, so the natural man is free to come to God but not
able. How can he repent of his sin when he loves it? How can he come to
God when he hates Him? This is the inability of the will under which man
labors. Jesus said, "And this is the judgment, that light is come into
the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their
works were evil," John 3:19; and again, "Ye will not come to me, that ye
may have life," John 5:40. Man's ruin lies mainly in his own perverse
will. He cannot come because he will not. Help enough is provided if he
were only willing to accept it. Paul tells us, "The carnal mind is
enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither
indeed can it be. So they that are in the flesh cannot please God,"
Romans 8:7.

To assume that because man has ability to love he therefore has ability
to love God, is about as wise as to assume that since water has the
ability to flow, it therefore has the ability to flow up hill; or to
reason that because a man has power to cast himself from the top of a
precipice to the bottom, he therefore has equal power to transport
himself from the bottom to the top.
John Ritson
2020-02-09 12:50:56 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
Man is a free agent but he cannot originate the love of God in his
heart. His will is free in the sense that it is not controlled by any
force outside of himself. As the bird with a broken wing is "free" to
fly but not able, so the natural man is free to come to God but not
able. How can he repent of his sin when he loves it? How can he come to
God when he hates Him? This is the inability of the will under which man
labors. Jesus said, "And this is the judgment, that light is come into
the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their
works were evil," John 3:19; and again, "Ye will not come to me, that ye
may have life," John 5:40. Man's ruin lies mainly in his own perverse
will. He cannot come because he will not. Help enough is provided if he
were only willing to accept it. Paul tells us, "The carnal mind is
enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither
indeed can it be. So they that are in the flesh cannot please God,"
Romans 8:7.
To assume that because man has ability to love he therefore has ability
to love God, is about as wise as to assume that since water has the
ability to flow, it therefore has the ability to flow up hill; or to
reason that because a man has power to cast himself from the top of a
precipice to the bottom, he therefore has equal power to transport
himself from the bottom to the top.
So poor confused Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>/Bob<***@noel.noel>/***@gmail.com/
Stan <***@gmail.com>/Salo Flohr <***@brunswicknet.org>
quotes poor dim Loraine Boettner who commits the heresy of denying the
omnipotence of his imaginary deity,
"His will is free in the sense that it is not controlled by any
force outside of himself"

So what about the God of Exodus who "hardened Pharaoh's heart"?
Had it taken him the whole of Genesis to learn how to overcome a human's
will?
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John Ritson
Bob
2020-02-09 15:26:05 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner


Fallen man sees nothing desirable in "the One who is altogether lovely,
the fairest among ten thousand." He may admire Jesus as a man, but he
wants nothing to do with Him as God, and he resists the outward holy
influences of the Spirit with all his power. Sin, and not righteousness,
has become his natural element so that he has no desire for salvation.

Man's fallen nature gives rise to a most obdurate blindness, stupidity,
and opposition concerning the things of God. His will is under the
control of a darkened understanding. which puts sweet for bitter, and
bitter for sweet, good for evil, and evil for good. So far as his
relations with God are concerned, he wills only that which is evil,
although he wills it freely. Spontaneity and enslavement actually exist
together.
Bob
2020-02-09 17:24:43 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner


In other words, fallen man is so morally blind that he uniformly prefers
and chooses evil instead of good, as do the fallen angels or demons.
When the Christian is completely sanctified he reaches a state in which
he uniformly prefers and chooses good, as do the holy angels. Both of
these states are consistent with freedom and responsibility of moral
agents.

Yet while fallen man acts thus uniformly he is never compelled to sin,
but does it freely and delights in it. His dispositions and desires are
so inclined, and he acts knowingly and willingly from the spontaneous
motion of the heart. This natural bias or appetite for that which is
evil is characteristic of man's fallen and corrupt nature, so that, as
Job says, he "drinketh iniquity like water," 15:16.
Bob
2020-02-09 18:21:15 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner


We read that "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit, for
they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, for they are
spiritually discerned," I Cor. 2:14. We are at a loss to understand how
any one can take a plain common sense view of this passage of Scripture
and yet contend for the doctrine of human ability. Man in his natural
state cannot even see the kingdom of God; much less can he get into it.
An uncultured person may see a beautiful work of art as an object of
vision, but he has no appreciation of its excellence. He may see the
figures of a complex mathematical equation, but they have no meaning for
him. Horses and cattle may see the same beautiful sunset or other
phenomenon in nature that men see, but they are blind to all of the
artistic beauty. So it is when the Gospel of the cross is presented to
the unregenerate man. He may have an intellectual knowledge of the facts
and doctrines of the Bible, but he lacks all spiritual discernment of
their excellence, and finds no delight in them. The same Christ is to one
man without form or comeliness that he should desire Him; to another He
is the Prince of life and the Savior of the world, God manifest in the
flesh, whom it is impossible not to adore, love and obey.
John Ritson
2020-02-09 20:27:58 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
We read that "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit, for
they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, for they are
spiritually discerned," I Cor. 2:14. We are at a loss to understand how
any one can take a plain common sense view of this passage of Scripture
and yet contend for the doctrine of human ability. Man in his natural
state cannot even see the kingdom of God; much less can he get into it.
An uncultured person may see a beautiful work of art as an object of
vision, but he has no appreciation of its excellence. He may see the
figures of a complex mathematical equation, but they have no meaning for
him. Horses and cattle may see the same beautiful sunset or other
phenomenon in nature that men see, but they are blind to all of the
artistic beauty. So it is when the Gospel of the cross is presented to
the unregenerate man. He may have an intellectual knowledge of the facts
and doctrines of the Bible, but he lacks all spiritual discernment of
their excellence, and finds no delight in them. The same Christ is to one
man without form or comeliness that he should desire Him; to another He
is the Prince of life and the Savior of the world, God manifest in the
flesh, whom it is impossible not to adore, love and obey.
Poor confused Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>/Bob<***@noel.noel>/***@gmail.com/
Stan <***@gmail.com>/Salo Flohr <***@brunswicknet.org>
quotes poor dim Loraine Boettner who admitted here that his vision of
God and his supposed Kingdom was meaningless to people who had not been
thoroughly brainwashed into believing it.
"Man in his natural state cannot even see the kingdom of God".
And who is supposed to have created "Man in his natural state"?
Yes, that heavenly under-achiever, God.
--
John Ritson
Bob
2020-02-09 22:12:06 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner


This total inability, however, arises not merely from a perverted moral
nature, but also from ignorance. Paul wrote that the Gentiles "walk in
the vanity of their mind, being darkened in their understanding,
alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in
them, because of the hardening of their heart," Eph. 4:17, 18. And
again, "The word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but
unto us who are saved it is the power of God," I Cor. 1:18. When he
wrote of "Things which eye saw not, and ear heard not, And which entered
not into the heart of man, Whatsoever things God hath prepared for them
that love Him," he had reference, not to the glories of the heavenly
state as is commonly supposed, but to the spiritual realities in this
life which cannot be seen by the unregenerate mind, as is made plain by
the words of the following verse: "But unto us God revealed them through
the Spirit," I Cor. 2:9, 10. On one occasion Jesus said, "No one knoweth
the Son, save the Father; neither doth any know the Father save the Son,
and he to whomsoever the Son willeth to reveal Him," Matt. 11:27. Here
we are plainly told that man in his unregenerate, unenlightened nature
does not know God in any sense worthy the name, and that the Son is
sovereign in choosing who shall come into this saving knowledge of God.
John Ritson
2020-02-10 09:59:07 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
This total inability, however, arises not merely from a perverted moral
nature, but also from ignorance. Paul wrote that the Gentiles "walk in
the vanity of their mind, being darkened in their understanding,
alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in
them, because of the hardening of their heart," Eph. 4:17, 18. And
again, "The word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but
unto us who are saved it is the power of God," I Cor. 1:18. When he
wrote of "Things which eye saw not, and ear heard not, And which entered
not into the heart of man, Whatsoever things God hath prepared for them
that love Him," he had reference, not to the glories of the heavenly
state as is commonly supposed, but to the spiritual realities in this
life which cannot be seen by the unregenerate mind, as is made plain by
the words of the following verse: "But unto us God revealed them through
the Spirit," I Cor. 2:9, 10. On one occasion Jesus said, "No one knoweth
the Son, save the Father; neither doth any know the Father save the Son,
and he to whomsoever the Son willeth to reveal Him," Matt. 11:27. Here
we are plainly told that man in his unregenerate, unenlightened nature
does not know God in any sense worthy the name, and that the Son is
sovereign in choosing who shall come into this saving knowledge of God.
So poor confused Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>/Bob<***@noel.noel>/***@gmail.com/
Stan <***@gmail.com>/Salo Flohr <***@brunswicknet.org>
quotes poor dim Loraine Boettner who uses the standard Calvinist tactic
of denying that the Bible means what it says and insisting that it means
something completely different that fit Calvinist doctrine.

So he says:
"he had reference, not to the glories of the heavenly state as is
commonly supposed, but to the spiritual realities in this life which
cannot be seen by the unregenerate mind"
So things invisible to normal beings somehow become "realities in this
life".
--
John Ritson
Bob
2020-02-10 13:16:59 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner

Fallen man then lacks the power of spiritual discernment. His reason or
understanding is blinded, and the taste and feelings are perverted. And
since this state of mind is innate, as a condition of man's nature, it
is beyond the power of the will to change it. Rather it controls both
the affections and volitions. The effect of regeneration is clearly
taught in the divine commission which Paul received at his conversion
when he was told that he was to be sent to the Gentiles "to open their
eyes, that they might turn from darkness to light and from the power of
Satan unto God," Acts 26:18.
Bob
2020-02-10 15:29:50 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner

Jesus taught the same truth under a different figure when He said to
the Pharisees, "Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye
cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of
your father it is your will to do," John 8:43, 44. They could not
understand, nor even hear His words in any intelligible way. To them
His words were only foolishness, madness; and they accused Him of being
demon possessed (vss. 48, 52). Only His disciples could know the truth
(vss. 31, 32); the Pharisees were children of the Devil (vss. 42, 44),
and bondservants of sin (vs. 34), although they thought themselves free
(vs. 33).
Michael Christ
2020-02-10 20:14:43 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
Jesus taught the same truth under a different figure when He said to
the Pharisees, "Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye
cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of
your father it is your will to do," John 8:43, 44. They could not
understand, nor even hear His words in any intelligible way. To them
His words were only foolishness, madness; and they accused Him of being
demon possessed (vss. 48, 52). Only His disciples could know the truth
(vss. 31, 32); the Pharisees were children of the Devil (vss. 42, 44),
and bondservants of sin (vs. 34), although they thought themselves free
(vs. 33).
Bob, are you a sinner and totally depraved or are you a cut above
sinner, a righteous sinner whose sin is not like those filthy stinking
un-elected, worthy-of-the-smirk non-Calvinists??

How come grace is only for you when you are still a totally depraved
sinner like all those you look down your nose at and smirk at??




Michael Christ
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Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Bob
2020-02-10 20:25:50 UTC
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Are you a sinner and totally depraved or are you a cut above
sinner, a righteous sinner whose sin is not like those filthy stinking
un-elected, worthy-of-the-smirk non-Calvinists??
How come grace is only for you when you are still a totally depraved
sinner like all those you look down your nose at and smirk at??
Why should anyone be concerned with what you think, when it's always a lie?
Michael Christ
2020-02-10 22:17:09 UTC
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Post by Bob
Are you a sinner and totally depraved or are you a cut above sinner, a
righteous sinner whose sin is not like those filthy stinking
un-elected, worthy-of-the-smirk non-Calvinists??
How come grace is only for you when you are still a totally depraved
sinner like all those you look down your nose at and smirk at??
Bob the cowardly totally depraved Calvinist sinner wrote:>
Post by Bob
Why should anyone be concerned with what you think, when it's always a lie?
Look at what your religion is worth, faker, every question you have run away from like a scalded cat!

If you can't even stand before a man how the hell are you going to stand before a holy and righteous God???!!! What?? A claim to faith in the blood hides your sin?? :-). Yeah, right. So God is blind, a fool, a Calvinist dogma sucker??

Your religion will be incinerated before the Lord's foot hits touchdown.






Michael Christ
Bob
2020-02-10 22:22:12 UTC
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Look at what your religion is worth, faker, every question you have run away from like a scalded cat!
There's an excellent example of why no one should be concerned
with what you think. It's always a lie?
Michael Christ
2020-02-10 22:42:33 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Michael Christ
Look at what your religion is worth, faker, every question you have run away from like a scalded cat!
There's an excellent example of why no one should be concerned
with what you think. It's always a lie?
A question mark? :-). Even your grammar is screaming contradiction.

Do you think everyone is stupid, Bobs?





Michael Christ
Bob
2020-02-10 22:50:23 UTC
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Do you think everyone is stupid?
I know you're a liar.
Michael Christ
2020-02-10 23:49:06 UTC
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Post by Bob
Do you think everyone is stupid?
I know you're a liar.
The problem with you Bob is that you are totally depraved but you think
you are righteous.





Michael Christ
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Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Bob
2020-02-11 00:20:00 UTC
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The problem with you....<snip>.
I know you're a liar
Michael Christ
2020-02-11 02:17:34 UTC
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Post by Bob
The problem with you....<snip>.
I know you're a liar
:-).

You run into the shadows crying liar, liar over you shoulder when the
truth comes calling, Total Depraved Sinner Calvinist.

You're weeds masquerading as wheat making others twice the sons of hell
as you are.




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Bob
2020-02-11 02:41:09 UTC
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You run into the shadows...
No. I'm right here. Calling you a liar to your face.

I'm not running. That's a lie. You are a liar.

You can only lie and say that I'm running
when I'm actually in your face.

I'm telling you I will not read anything you post.

Because I know you're a liar. And once a liar, always a liar.

And you just proved once again that you're a liar.

You're digging the hole deeper.

I'm having fun watching you screw up. Please don't stop.

<blink><blink>

<smirk>
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2020-02-11 02:52:32 UTC
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Post by Bob
You run into the shadows...
No. I'm right here. Calling you a liar to your face.
I'm not running. That's a lie. You are a liar.
You can only lie and say that I'm running
when I'm actually in your face.
I'm telling you I will not read anything you post.
Because I know you're a liar. And once a liar, always a liar.
And you just proved once again that you're a liar.
You're digging the hole deeper.
I'm having fun watching you screw up. Please don't stop.
<blink><blink>
<smirk>
Don't this beat all?

Two religious nutters having it out on the atheism newsgroup.
Mike Duffy
2020-02-11 03:11:25 UTC
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Post by default
<blink> <blink>
Two religious nutters having it out on the atheism newsgroup.
MikeX is winning 'cause Bob blinked first 2 posts upstream.
Bob
2020-02-11 03:18:36 UTC
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Post by default
Post by Bob
You run into the shadows...
No. I'm right here. Calling you a liar to your face.
I'm not running. That's a lie. You are a liar.
You can only lie and say that I'm running
when I'm actually in your face.
I'm telling you I will not read anything you post.
Because I know you're a liar. And once a liar, always a liar.
And you just proved once again that you're a liar.
You're digging the hole deeper.
I'm having fun watching you screw up. Please don't stop.
<blink><blink>
<smirk>
Don't this beat all?
Two religious nutters having it out on the atheism newsgroup.
He's one of you.

He told me he doesn't want to be called a Christian.

There's only one other option.
Michael Christ
2020-02-11 03:28:42 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by default
Post by Bob
You run into the shadows...
No. I'm right here. Calling you a liar to your face.
I'm not running. That's a lie. You are a liar.
You can only lie and say that I'm running
when I'm actually in your face.
I'm telling you I will not read anything you post.
Because I know you're a liar.  And once a liar, always a liar.
And you just proved once again that you're a liar.
You're digging the hole deeper.
I'm having fun watching you screw up. Please don't stop.
<blink><blink>
<smirk>
Don't this beat all?
Two religious nutters having it out on the atheism newsgroup.
He's one of you.
He told me he doesn't want to be called a Christian.
There's only one other option.
A Bob totally depraved sinner Calvinist or you're scum. :-).




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Bob
2020-02-11 03:31:32 UTC
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A Bob totally depraved sinner Calvinist or you're scum.  :-).
There's so much hatred in his lies.

And he wonders why no one believes him.
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-11 03:39:18 UTC
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Post by Bob
A Bob totally depraved sinner Calvinist or you're scum.  :-).
There's so much hatred in his lies.
At least he leaves the notestream intact.

Why do you snip out everything, including
your own posts?
Peter Pan
2020-02-11 04:19:42 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by default
Post by Bob
You run into the shadows...
No. I'm right here. Calling you a liar to your face.
I'm not running. That's a lie. You are a liar.
You can only lie and say that I'm running
when I'm actually in your face.
I'm telling you I will not read anything you post.
Because I know you're a liar. And once a liar, always a liar.
And you just proved once again that you're a liar.
You're digging the hole deeper.
I'm having fun watching you screw up. Please don't stop.
<blink><blink>
<smirk>
Don't this beat all?
Two religious nutters having it out on the atheism newsgroup.
He's one of you.
He told me he doesn't want to be called a Christian.
MX is a Christ, for christ's sake.

Does a Christ need to be a christian?
Post by Bob
There's only one other option.
Well, duh.
default
2020-02-11 13:24:14 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by default
Post by Bob
You run into the shadows...
No. I'm right here. Calling you a liar to your face.
I'm not running. That's a lie. You are a liar.
You can only lie and say that I'm running
when I'm actually in your face.
I'm telling you I will not read anything you post.
Because I know you're a liar. And once a liar, always a liar.
And you just proved once again that you're a liar.
You're digging the hole deeper.
I'm having fun watching you screw up. Please don't stop.
<blink><blink>
<smirk>
Don't this beat all?
Two religious nutters having it out on the atheism newsgroup.
He's one of you.
He told me he doesn't want to be called a Christian.
There's only one other option.
Now,now... it's all the same twaddle to an atheist. AND as far as
there being only one option save Christianity, that's simply not true;
there are thousands of Christian sects and thousands of religions that
don't have Jesus for their hood ornament.

Religion does not "bring people together," it is just another means of
fomenting contention and rancor among believers. (as you are so aptly
proving)
Bob
2020-02-11 13:35:40 UTC
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Post by default
Post by Bob
He told me he doesn't want to be called a Christian.
There's only one other option.
Now,now... it's all the same twaddle to an atheist. AND as far as
there being only one option save Christianity, that's simply not true;
there are thousands of Christian sects and thousands of religions that
don't have Jesus for their hood ornament.
Religion does not "bring people together,"
Religion was never intended to bring people together. I don't know where
you got that from.
Post by default
it is just another means of
fomenting contention and rancor among believers. (as you are so aptly
proving)
I know you posted this because you didn't want to feel "left out", and
you wanted to post something with your name on it.

But, Michael is not a believer in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You can
read one or two of his posts and see that very plainly in his words.

Michael is a believer in the Gospel of Michael. His nym confirms that.

He's one of you.

He'll be the loudest screamer in Hell.
LinuxGal
2020-02-11 13:46:31 UTC
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Post by Bob
Religion was never intended to bring people together. I don't know where
you got that from.
I dunno. Jesus, maybe?

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are
in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through
thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may
be one, as we are.

Or Paul, maybe?

1 Corinthians 10:17 For we being many are one bread, and
one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-11 14:32:30 UTC
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Post by Bob
Religion was never intended to bring people together. I don't know where
you got that from.
I dunno.  Jesus, maybe?
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the
world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name
those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Or Paul, maybe?
1 Corinthians 10:17  For we being many are one bread, and one body: for
we are all partakers of that one bread.
Of course they're both referring to the elect.
But, I know you're unable to see it that way.
LinuxGal
2020-02-11 15:44:28 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Religion was never intended to bring people together. I don't know where
you got that from.
I dunno.  Jesus, maybe?
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world,
and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom
thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Or Paul, maybe?
1 Corinthians 10:17  For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we
are all partakers of that one bread.
Of course they're both referring to the elect.
So religion was intended to bring the elect together, but
not people. Got it.

Meanwhile, Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all
nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of
the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-11 16:24:44 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Religion was never intended to bring people together. I don't know where
you got that from.
I dunno.  Jesus, maybe?
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the
world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name
those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Or Paul, maybe?
for we are all partakers of that one bread.
Of course they're both referring to the elect.
So religion was intended to bring the elect together, but not people.
Got it.
Meanwhile, Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the
Holy Ghost.
I don't see where any one of those three verses are specifically stating
that their sole purpose is to bring people together. If you do, could
you please point that out for me?
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-11 03:38:07 UTC
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Post by default
Post by Bob
You run into the shadows...
No. I'm right here. Calling you a liar to your face.
I'm not running. That's a lie. You are a liar.
You can only lie and say that I'm running
when I'm actually in your face.
I'm telling you I will not read anything you post.
Because I know you're a liar. And once a liar, always a liar.
And you just proved once again that you're a liar.
You're digging the hole deeper.
I'm having fun watching you screw up. Please don't stop.
<blink><blink>
<smirk>
Don't this beat all?
Two religious nutters having it out on the atheism newsgroup.
I noticed that too.....
Peter Pan
2020-02-11 04:14:52 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by default
Post by Bob
You run into the shadows...
No. I'm right here. Calling you a liar to your face.
I'm not running. That's a lie. You are a liar.
You can only lie and say that I'm running
when I'm actually in your face.
I'm telling you I will not read anything you post.
Because I know you're a liar. And once a liar, always a liar.
And you just proved once again that you're a liar.
You're digging the hole deeper.
I'm having fun watching you screw up. Please don't stop.
<blink><blink>
<smirk>
Don't this beat all?
Two religious nutters having it out on the atheism newsgroup.
I noticed that too.....
It's the Great AA Schism of 2020.

Note how the other nutbars are laying low. Even duke is
keeping quiet.
Michael Christ
2020-02-11 03:11:25 UTC
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Post by Bob
You run into the shadows...
No. I'm right here. Calling you a liar to your face.
I'm not running. That's a lie. You are a liar.
You can only lie and say that I'm running
when I'm actually in your face.
I'm telling you I will not read anything you post.
Because I know you're a liar.  And once a liar, always a liar.
And you just proved once again that you're a liar.
You're digging the hole deeper.
I'm having fun watching you screw up. Please don't stop.
<blink><blink>
<smirk>
You are snip-wanking, Buddy.

Are you a totally depraved Calvinist sinner, Bobby Boy, or not? And if
not, what kind of sinner are you?

We can't even get passed the 'T' in TULIP!!!

What substance has your Calvinism got??!! Where the rubber meets the
road all these man made religions are not to be found. How surprising!








Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Bob
2020-02-11 03:20:13 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
You are snip-wanking
I told you I don't read after the first lie.

Try to remember that, you idiot.
Michael Christ
2020-02-11 03:29:55 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Michael Christ
You are snip-wanking
I told you I don't read after the first lie.
Try to remember that, you idiot.
Run Forest run.

RC wouldn't have you in his class, Buddy.



Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Bob
2020-02-11 03:44:55 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Run Forest run.
Nope. Right here. Liar.
Michael Christ
2020-02-11 03:51:40 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Michael Christ
Run Forest run.
Nope. Right here. Liar.
Oh good I am glad you turned up, Bob.

Is Bob a sinner?

Is a sinner totally depraved?

And do the totally depraved call evil good and good evil?

Or if you find those questions a bit scary, you could try this one...

According to your Calvinism, are you are totally depraved sinner, Bob?

Yes or no?






Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Bob
2020-02-11 03:57:24 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Is a sinner totally depraved?
If you really want to know, read my posts in "Total Depravity".

Otherwise, it's going to cost you a lot of money.

I'd read the posts if I were you. They're free.

<smirk>
Michael Christ
2020-02-11 04:07:05 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Michael Christ
Is a sinner totally depraved?
If you really want to know, read my posts in "Total Depravity".
Otherwise, it's going to cost you a lot of money.
I'd read the posts if I were you.  They're free.
<smirk>
Run Smirker run.

As totally depraved sinner Bob's little white butt disappears over the
horizon, he stares as his hands and realises there was never anything in
them.




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Bob
2020-02-11 04:08:39 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Bob
Post by Michael Christ
Is a sinner totally depraved?
If you really want to know, read my posts in "Total Depravity".
Otherwise, it's going to cost you a lot of money.
I'd read the posts if I were you.  They're free.
<smirk>
Run Smirker run.
I'm right here, liar.

How much money you got, boy?

<smirk>
Michael Christ
2020-02-11 04:16:18 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Bob
Post by Michael Christ
Is a sinner totally depraved?
If you really want to know, read my posts in "Total Depravity".
Otherwise, it's going to cost you a lot of money.
I'd read the posts if I were you.  They're free.
<smirk>
Run Smirker run.
I'm right here, liar.
How much money you got, boy?
<smirk>
My life is the Lord's, totally depraved Calvinist sinner.

People are not stupid, snip and snipe and run religionist, they see you.

Regardless, you have no excuse before the Lord for your sin, ye totally
depraved Calvinist.




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Bob
2020-02-11 04:17:34 UTC
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My life is the Lord's.
You can't have it both ways, liar.

<smirk>
LinuxGal
2020-02-11 04:08:48 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Michael Christ
Is a sinner totally depraved?
If you really want to know, read my posts in "Total Depravity".
Linux Novice - Someone who wonders what RTFM means.

Linux User - Someone who has tried to RTFM.

Windows User - Someone who has never heard RTFM.

Linux Guru - Someone who doesn't need to RTFM.

Linux Hacker - Someone who knows what isn't in TFM.

Linux Jedi - The one who WTFM.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-11 04:12:03 UTC
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Post by LinuxGal
Post by Bob
Post by Michael Christ
Is a sinner totally depraved?
If you really want to know, read my posts in "Total Depravity".
Linux Novice - Someone who wonders what RTFM means.
Linux User - Someone who has tried to RTFM.
Windows User - Someone who has never heard RTFM.
Linux Guru - Someone who doesn't need to RTFM.
Linux Hacker - Someone who knows what isn't in TFM.
Linux Jedi - The one who WTFM.
Okay....uhh....what you been smoking?
Olrik
2020-02-11 04:26:12 UTC
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Post by LinuxGal
Post by Bob
Post by Michael Christ
Is a sinner totally depraved?
If you really want to know, read my posts in "Total Depravity".
Linux Novice - Someone who wonders what RTFM means.
Linux User - Someone who has tried to RTFM.
Windows User - Someone who has never heard RTFM.
Linux Guru - Someone who doesn't need to RTFM.
Linux Hacker - Someone who knows what isn't in TFM.
Linux Jedi - The one who WTFM.
Modern Computer User : Someone who has absolutely no needs to know WTF
is "RTFM", "TFM" or "WTFM".
--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
Peter Pan
2020-02-11 04:53:28 UTC
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Post by LinuxGal
Post by Bob
Post by Michael Christ
Is a sinner totally depraved?
If you really want to know, read my posts in "Total Depravity".
Linux Novice - Someone who wonders what RTFM means.
Linux User - Someone who has tried to RTFM.
Windows User - Someone who has never heard RTFM.
Linux Guru - Someone who doesn't need to RTFM.
Linux Hacker - Someone who knows what isn't in TFM.
Linux Jedi - The one who WTFM.
There's a similar hierarchy for xtians who do or don't
RTFB.

Catholic - Someone who wonders what RTFB means.

MXist - Someone who doesn't need to RTFB.

Calvinist - Someone who is regenned enough to UTFB.

Atheist - Someone who has already RTFB, and can QTFB.

Christ - Someone who knows TFB is fiction.

King James - The guy who WTFB.
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-11 03:40:41 UTC
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Post by Michael Christ
Post by Bob
You run into the shadows...
No. I'm right here. Calling you a liar to your face.
I'm not running. That's a lie. You are a liar.
You can only lie and say that I'm running
when I'm actually in your face.
I'm telling you I will not read anything you post.
Because I know you're a liar.  And once a liar, always a liar.
And you just proved once again that you're a liar.
You're digging the hole deeper.
I'm having fun watching you screw up. Please don't stop.
<blink><blink>
<smirk>
You are snip-wanking, Buddy.
Are you a totally depraved Calvinist sinner, Bobby Boy, or not?
He posts under a lot more names than that.......




Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias Sereno/
Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>
Michael Christ
2020-02-11 03:46:20 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Bob
You run into the shadows...
No. I'm right here. Calling you a liar to your face.
I'm not running. That's a lie. You are a liar.
You can only lie and say that I'm running
when I'm actually in your face.
I'm telling you I will not read anything you post.
Because I know you're a liar.  And once a liar, always a liar.
And you just proved once again that you're a liar.
You're digging the hole deeper.
I'm having fun watching you screw up. Please don't stop.
<blink><blink>
<smirk>
You are snip-wanking, Buddy.
Are you a totally depraved Calvinist sinner, Bobby Boy, or not?
He posts under a lot more names than that.......
Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias Sereno/
Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Really?






Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-11 04:13:34 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Michael Christ
Post by Bob
You run into the shadows...
No. I'm right here. Calling you a liar to your face.
I'm not running. That's a lie. You are a liar.
You can only lie and say that I'm running
when I'm actually in your face.
I'm telling you I will not read anything you post.
Because I know you're a liar.  And once a liar, always a liar.
And you just proved once again that you're a liar.
You're digging the hole deeper.
I'm having fun watching you screw up. Please don't stop.
<blink><blink>
<smirk>
You are snip-wanking, Buddy.
Are you a totally depraved Calvinist sinner, Bobby Boy, or not?
He posts under a lot more names than that.......
Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias Sereno/
Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Really?
Yep.
Lucifer
2020-02-10 21:11:18 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
Jesus taught the same truth under a different figure when He said to
the Pharisees, "Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye
cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of
your father it is your will to do," John 8:43, 44. They could not
understand, nor even hear His words in any intelligible way. To them
His words were only foolishness, madness; and they accused Him of being
demon possessed (vss. 48, 52). Only His disciples could know the truth
(vss. 31, 32); the Pharisees were children of the Devil (vss. 42, 44),
and bondservants of sin (vs. 34), although they thought themselves free
(vs. 33).
Why is the most awesome force, our creator, unable or unwilling to
make his message known to all in an unambiguous and
non-threatening way?
Bob
2020-02-10 20:15:19 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner

At another time Jesus taught that a good tree could not bring forth
evil fruit, nor an evil tree good fruit. And since in this similitude
the good and evil trees represent good and evil men, what does it mean
but that one class of men is governed by one set of basic principles,
while the other class is governed by another set of basic principles?
The fruits of these two trees are acts, words, thoughts, which if good
proceed from a good nature, and if evil proceed from an evil nature. It
is impossible, then, for one and the same root to bring forth fruit of
different kinds. Hence we deny the existence in man of a power which
may act either way, on the logical ground that both virtue and vice
cannot come out of the same moral condition of the agent. And we affirm
that human actions which relate to God proceed either out of a moral
condition which necessarily produces good actions or out of a moral
condition which necessarily produces evil actions.
John Ritson
2020-02-10 21:37:17 UTC
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In article <r1sdkk$13jq$***@gioia.aioe.org>, Bob <***@gmail.com>
writes
Post by b***@gmail.com
Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
At another time Jesus taught that a good tree could not bring forth
evil fruit, nor an evil tree good fruit. And since in this similitude
the good and evil trees represent good and evil men, what does it mean
but that one class of men is governed by one set of basic principles,
while the other class is governed by another set of basic principles?
The fruits of these two trees are acts, words, thoughts, which if good
proceed from a good nature, and if evil proceed from an evil nature. It
is impossible, then, for one and the same root to bring forth fruit of
different kinds. Hence we deny the existence in man of a power which
may act either way, on the logical ground that both virtue and vice
cannot come out of the same moral condition of the agent. And we affirm
that human actions which relate to God proceed either out of a moral
condition which necessarily produces good actions or out of a moral
condition which necessarily produces evil actions.
So poor confused Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>/Bob<***@noel.noel>/***@gmail.com/
Stan <***@gmail.com>/Salo Flohr <***@brunswicknet.org>
quotes poor dim Loraine Boettner who shows his (or rather his Messiah's)
ignorance of horticulture.
--
John Ritson
Bob
2020-02-10 22:56:54 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner

"In the Epistle to the Ephesians Paul declares that prior to the
quickening of the Spirit of God each individual soul lies dead in
trespasses and sins. Now it will surely be admitted that to be dead,
and to be dead in sin, is clear and positive evidence that there is
neither aptitude nor power remaining for the performance of any
spiritual action. If a man were dead, in a natural and physical sense,
it would at once be readily granted that there is no further
possibility of that man being able to perform any physical actions. A
corpse cannot act in any way whatever, and that man would be reckoned
to have taken leave of his senses who asserted that it could. If a man
is dead spiritually, therefore, it is surely equally as evident that he
is unable to perform any spiritual actions, and thus the doctrine of
man's moral inability rests upon strong Scriptural evidence."
LinuxGal
2020-02-11 01:39:06 UTC
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Post by Bob
In the Epistle to the Ephesians Paul declares that prior to the
quickening of the Spirit of God each individual soul lies dead in
trespasses and sins.
On the contrary, it is written:

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for
God took him.

Genesis 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all
thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous
before me in this generation.

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was
Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that
feared God, and eschewed evil.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-11 02:50:35 UTC
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Post by Bob
In the Epistle to the Ephesians Paul declares that prior to the
quickening of the Spirit of God each individual soul lies dead in
trespasses and sins.
Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Genesis 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house
into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that
man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Old Testament. New Testament.

Do you know the difference?

In the theology being practiced, and the time periods involved, and who
was in charge of what.

I'll give you a hint: they're nowhere near the same.

Once again you're off by at least a couple of thousand years.

You're welcome.
LinuxGal
2020-02-11 03:19:45 UTC
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Post by Bob
In the Epistle to the Ephesians Paul declares that prior to the
quickening of the Spirit of God each individual soul lies dead in
trespasses and sins.
Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Genesis 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into
the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man
was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
Old Testament. New Testament.
I see. So by that logic, it was possible, before Jesus, for
men to have souls that did not lie dead in tresspasses and
sins prior to the quickening of the Spirit of God (ie.
Enoch, Noah, and Job). Then Jesus came and fucked it all up.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-11 03:38:31 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
In the Epistle to the Ephesians Paul declares that prior to the
quickening of the Spirit of God each individual soul lies dead in
trespasses and sins.
Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Genesis 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house
into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and
that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and
eschewed evil.
Old Testament. New Testament.
I see.  So by that logic, it was possible, before Jesus, for men to have
souls that did not lie dead in tresspasses and sins prior to the
quickening of the Spirit of God (ie. Enoch, Noah, and Job). Then Jesus
came and fucked it all up.
No. There was no "quickening of the Spirit" before Pentecost.

And, just as an aside, without the quickening of the Spirit you will
never understand what I'm talking about now. So please don't try.
Bob
2020-02-11 12:18:52 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner

"On the principle that no clean thing can come out of what is unclean
(Job 14:4), all that are born of woman are declared 'abominable and
corrupt,' to whose nature iniquity alone is attractive (Job 15:1446).
Accordingly, to become sinful, men do not wait until the age of
accountable action arrives. Rather, they are apostates from the womb,
and as soon as they are born go astray, speaking lies (Ps. 58:3); they
are even shapen in iniquity, and conceived in sin (Ps. 51:5). The
propensity of their heart is evil from their youth (Gen. 8:21), and it
is out of the heart that all the issues of life proceed (Prov. 4:23;
20:11). Acts of sin are therefore but the expression of the natural
heart, which is deceitful above all things and exceedingly corrupt
(Jer. 17:9)."
Bob
2020-02-11 14:52:10 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner

Ezekiel presents this same truth in graphic language and gives us the
picture of the helpless infant which was cast out in its blood and left
to die, but which the Lord graciously found and cared for (Ch. 16).

This doctrine of original sin supposes that fallen men have the same
kind and degree of liberty in sinning under the influence of a corrupt
nature as have the Devil and the demons, or that the saints in glory
and the holy angels have in acting rightly under the influence of a
holy nature. That is, men and angels act according to their natures. As
the saints and angels are confirmed in holiness,--that is, possessed of
a nature which is wholly inclined to righteousness and adverse to
sin,--so the nature of fallen men and of demons is such that they
cannot perform a single act with right motives toward God. Hence the
necessity that God shall sovereignly change the person's character in
regeneration.
John Ritson
2020-02-11 16:04:14 UTC
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In article <r1uf2j$b8i$***@gioia.aioe.org>, Bob <***@gmail.com>
writes
Post by b***@gmail.com
Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
Ezekiel presents this same truth in graphic language and gives us the
picture of the helpless infant which was cast out in its blood and left
to die, but which the Lord graciously found and cared for (Ch. 16).
This doctrine of original sin supposes that fallen men have the same
kind and degree of liberty in sinning under the influence of a corrupt
nature as have the Devil and the demons, or that the saints in glory
and the holy angels have in acting rightly under the influence of a
holy nature. That is, men and angels act according to their natures. As
the saints and angels are confirmed in holiness,--that is, possessed of
a nature which is wholly inclined to righteousness and adverse to
sin,--so the nature of fallen men and of demons is such that they
cannot perform a single act with right motives toward God. Hence the
necessity that God shall sovereignly change the person's character in
regeneration.
Poor confused Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>/Bob<***@noel.noel>/***@gmail.com/
Stan <***@gmail.com>/Salo Flohr <***@brunswicknet.org>

quotes poor dim Loraine Boettner who ranted that
" the nature of fallen men and of demons is such that they cannot
perform a single act with right motives toward God"

And what evil creature is supposed to have created these beings and
their dastardly nature?
That perennial under-achiever that 'Bob' and Boettner worshipped.
--
John Ritson
Bob
2020-02-11 16:51:47 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner

The Old Testament ceremonies of circumcision of the new-born child, and
of purification of the mother, were designed to teach that man comes
into the world sinful, that since the fall human nature is corrupt in
its very origin.

Paul stated this truth in another and, if possible, even stronger way
in II Cor. 4:3, 4: "And if our Gospel is veiled it is veiled to them
that perish; in whom the god of this world (by which he means the
Devil) hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the
Gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn
upon them." In a word, then, fallen men without the operations of the
Spirit of God are under the rule of Satan. They are led captive by him
at his will, II Tim. 2:26. So long as this "strong man fully armed" is
not molested by the "stronger than he," he keeps his kingdom in peace
and his captives willingly do his bidding. But the "stronger than he"
has overcome him, has taken his armor from him, and has liberated a
part of his captives (Luke 11:21, 22). God now exercises the right of
releasing whom He will; and all born-again Christians are ransomed
sinners from that kingdom.

John Ritson
2020-02-11 15:56:30 UTC
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In article <r1u635$109j$***@gioia.aioe.org>, Bob <***@gmail.com>
writes
Post by b***@gmail.com
Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
"On the principle that no clean thing can come out of what is unclean
(Job 14:4), all that are born of woman are declared 'abominable and
corrupt,' to whose nature iniquity alone is attractive (Job 15:1446).
Accordingly, to become sinful, men do not wait until the age of
accountable action arrives. Rather, they are apostates from the womb,
and as soon as they are born go astray, speaking lies (Ps. 58:3); they
are even shapen in iniquity, and conceived in sin (Ps. 51:5). The
propensity of their heart is evil from their youth (Gen. 8:21), and it
is out of the heart that all the issues of life proceed (Prov. 4:23;
20:11). Acts of sin are therefore but the expression of the natural
heart, which is deceitful above all things and exceedingly corrupt
(Jer. 17:9)."
Poor confused Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>/Bob<***@noel.noel>/***@gmail.com/
Stan <***@gmail.com>/Salo Flohr <***@brunswicknet.org>

quotes poor dim Loraine Boettner who ranted that
"all that are born of woman are declared 'abominable and
corrupt,' to whose nature iniquity alone is attractive (Job 15:1446)"
This being the faultless Job whose life was trashed in a bar bet between
drinking buddies Jehovah and Satan.
And who was responsible for the creation of "all those that are born of
woman"? Yes, that perennial failure Jehovah.
--
John Ritson
LinuxGal
2020-02-11 01:48:51 UTC
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Post by Bob
At another time Jesus taught that a good tree could not bring forth
evil fruit, nor an evil tree good fruit.
On the contrary, it is written:

Romans 2:8-9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of
man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the
Gentile; But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that
worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-11 03:08:58 UTC
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Post by Bob
At another time Jesus taught that a good tree could not bring forth
evil fruit, nor an evil tree good fruit.
Romans 2:8-9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth
evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and
peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the
Gentile.
Why don't you ever give a reason for anything you say?

Do you really think Jesus and Paul had the same thing in mind,
and therefore were talking about the exact same thing?

Really?

Well....they weren't.

When you're wrong, you are way out there in left field somewhere.

But, I tell you what. I'll give you the benefit of a doubt.

Explain, in detail (and I think you know what I mean by detail), how
does Romans 2:8-9 contradict Matthew 7:18.

One or two sentences will not pass inspection.

Anything less than three sentences is just your own unsupported opinion.

I need a good reason to believe you.

You're on your own.
Michael Christ
2020-02-11 03:13:41 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
At another time Jesus taught that a good tree could not bring forth
evil fruit, nor an evil tree good fruit.
Romans 2:8-9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that
doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory,
honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first,
and also to the Gentile.
Why don't you ever give a reason for anything you say?
Thou snipping hypocrite depraved sinner Calvinist!






Michael Christ
Post by Bob
Do you really think Jesus and Paul had the same thing in mind,
and therefore were talking about the exact same thing?
Really?
Well....they weren't.
When you're wrong, you are way out there in left field somewhere.
But, I tell you what. I'll give you the benefit of a doubt.
Explain, in detail (and I think you know what I mean by detail), how
does Romans 2:8-9 contradict Matthew 7:18.
One or two sentences will not pass inspection.
Anything less than three sentences is just your own unsupported opinion.
I need a good reason to believe you.
You're on your own.
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
Bob
2020-02-11 03:22:45 UTC
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Thou snipping hypocr <snip>
More of your hate-filled lies.
LinuxGal
2020-02-11 03:16:00 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
At another time Jesus taught that a good tree could not bring forth
evil fruit, nor an evil tree good fruit.
Romans 2:8-9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth
evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and
peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the
Gentile.
Why don't you ever give a reason for anything you say?
You make a claim that goes contrary to the Word of God, and
I post the citation from Word of God that contradicts you.
This is how I relax in the evenings. That is reason enough.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-11 03:33:54 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
At another time Jesus taught that a good tree could not bring forth
evil fruit, nor an evil tree good fruit.
Romans 2:8-9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that
doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory,
honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first,
and also to the Gentile.
Why don't you ever give a reason for anything you say?
You make a claim that goes contrary to the Word of God, and I post the
citation from Word of God that contradicts you. This is how I relax in
the evenings.  That is reason enough.
But I think you know you didn't.

That's why you didn't try explaining yourself.

Where's your detailed explanation?
Don Martin
2020-02-11 11:00:52 UTC
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Post by LinuxGal
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
At another time Jesus taught that a good tree could not bring forth
evil fruit, nor an evil tree good fruit.
Romans 2:8-9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth
evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; But glory, honour, and
peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the
Gentile.
Why don't you ever give a reason for anything you say?
You make a claim that goes contrary to the Word of God, and
I post the citation from Word of God that contradicts you.
This is how I relax in the evenings. That is reason enough.
"Why don't you ever give a reason for anything you say?" is the
eternal whine from those on the losing side of an argument. Of
course, if Booob had read the Bible as closely as you have, he would
not be such a loser (nor a believer). Gullibility is the Siamese twin
of Ignorance.
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
John Ritson
2020-02-10 21:45:12 UTC
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writes
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
Jesus taught the same truth under a different figure when He said to
the Pharisees, "Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye
cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of
your father it is your will to do," John 8:43, 44. They could not
understand, nor even hear His words in any intelligible way. To them
His words were only foolishness, madness; and they accused Him of being
demon possessed (vss. 48, 52). Only His disciples could know the truth
(vss. 31, 32); the Pharisees were children of the Devil (vss. 42, 44),
and bondservants of sin (vs. 34), although they thought themselves free
(vs. 33).
So poor confused Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>/Bob<***@noel.noel>/***@gmail.com/
Stan <***@gmail.com>/Salo Flohr <***@brunswicknet.org>
quotes poor dim Loraine Boettner who lets the cat out of the bag by
admitting that
"They could not understand, nor even hear His words in any intelligible
way. To them His words were only foolishness, madness; and they accused
Him of being demon possessed" and insisting that
"Only His disciples could know the truth".
Which makes the Messiah out to be engaged on a fruitless exercise.
--
John Ritson
John Ritson
2020-02-10 21:27:30 UTC
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In article <r1rl4b$1df4$***@gioia.aioe.org>, Bob <***@gmail.com>
writes
Post by b***@gmail.com
Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
Fallen man then lacks the power of spiritual discernment. His reason or
understanding is blinded, and the taste and feelings are perverted. And
since this state of mind is innate, as a condition of man's nature, it
is beyond the power of the will to change it. Rather it controls both
the affections and volitions. The effect of regeneration is clearly
taught in the divine commission which Paul received at his conversion
when he was told that he was to be sent to the Gentiles "to open their
eyes, that they might turn from darkness to light and from the power of
Satan unto God," Acts 26:18.
So poor confused Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>/Bob<***@noel.noel>/***@gmail.com/
Stan <***@gmail.com>/Salo Flohr <***@brunswicknet.org>
quotes poor dim Loraine Boettner who had earlier stated that
"His will is free in the sense that it is not controlled by any
force outside of himself"
But now we have "it is beyond the power of the will to change it."
and as an extra contradiction we have Paul claiming to have been sent on
a mission "to open their eyes", which would have been pointless
according to the earlier arguments.
--
John Ritson
John Ritson
2020-02-09 20:22:32 UTC
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In article <r1pf8b$1fra$***@gioia.aioe.org>, Bob <***@gmail.com>
writes
Post by b***@gmail.com
Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
In other words, fallen man is so morally blind that he uniformly prefers
and chooses evil instead of good, as do the fallen angels or demons.
When the Christian is completely sanctified he reaches a state in which
he uniformly prefers and chooses good, as do the holy angels. Both of
these states are consistent with freedom and responsibility of moral
agents.
Yet while fallen man acts thus uniformly he is never compelled to sin,
but does it freely and delights in it. His dispositions and desires are
so inclined, and he acts knowingly and willingly from the spontaneous
motion of the heart. This natural bias or appetite for that which is
evil is characteristic of man's fallen and corrupt nature, so that, as
Job says, he "drinketh iniquity like water," 15:16.
Poor confused Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>/Bob<***@noel.noel>/***@gmail.com/
Stan <***@gmail.com>/Salo Flohr <***@brunswicknet.org>
quotes poor dim Loraine Boettner who was so dim that he quoted Job on
good and evil, the Job character whose life supposedly became the
subject of a bar bet between good buddies God and Satan.
--
John Ritson
Michael Christ
2020-02-09 23:19:43 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
In other words, fallen man is so morally blind that he uniformly prefers
and chooses evil instead of good, as do the fallen angels or demons.
When the Christian is completely sanctified he reaches a state in which
he uniformly prefers and chooses good, as do the holy angels. Both of
these states are consistent with freedom and responsibility of moral
agents.
Yet while fallen man acts thus uniformly he is never compelled to sin,
but does it freely and delights in it. His dispositions and desires are
so inclined, and he acts knowingly and willingly from the spontaneous
motion of the heart. This natural bias or appetite for that which is
evil is characteristic of man's fallen and corrupt nature, so that, as
Job says, he "drinketh iniquity like water," 15:16.
Is Bob a sinner?

Is a sinner totally depraved?

And do the totally depraved call evil good and good evil?

Now Bob, where doest thou stand?? And are-eth thee prepared to give an
answer for the hope you say that is within you? (First Pete 3:15)

Or are you just a talking religious head with a Calvinistic religiosity
of self-righteous sin-righteousness and self-worshiping holy depravity??






Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
John Ritson
2020-02-09 20:19:21 UTC
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writes
Post by b***@gmail.com
Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
Fallen man sees nothing desirable in "the One who is altogether lovely,
the fairest among ten thousand." He may admire Jesus as a man, but he
wants nothing to do with Him as God, and he resists the outward holy
influences of the Spirit with all his power. Sin, and not righteousness,
has become his natural element so that he has no desire for salvation.
Man's fallen nature gives rise to a most obdurate blindness, stupidity,
and opposition concerning the things of God. His will is under the
control of a darkened understanding. which puts sweet for bitter, and
bitter for sweet, good for evil, and evil for good. So far as his
relations with God are concerned, he wills only that which is evil,
although he wills it freely. Spontaneity and enslavement actually exist
together.
Poor confused Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>/Bob<***@noel.noel>/***@gmail.com/
Stan <***@gmail.com>/Salo Flohr <***@brunswicknet.org>
quotes poor dim Loraine Boettner who believed that his imaginary
omnipotent deity created humanity evil right from the start, but never
thought of blaming this warped deity for the mess it created.
--
John Ritson
John Ritson
2020-02-09 12:43:04 UTC
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writes
Post by b***@gmail.com
Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
2. THE EXTENT AND EFFECTS OF ORIGINAL SIN
This doctrine of Total Inability, which declares that men are dead in
sin, does not mean that all men are equally bad, nor that any man is as
bad as he could be, nor that any one is entirely destitute of virtue,
nor that human nature is evil in itself, nor that man's spirit is
inactive, and much less does it mean that the body Is dead. What it does
mean is that since the fail man rests under the curse of sin, that he is
actuated by wrong principles, and that he is wholly unable to love God
or to do anything meriting salvation. His corruption is extensive but
not necessarily intensive.
It is in this sense that man since the fall "is utterly indisposed,
disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all
evil." He possesses a fixed bias of the will against God, and
instinctively and willingly turns to evil. He is an alien by birth, and
a sinner by choice. The inability under which he labors is not an
inability to exercise volitions, but an inability to be willing to
exercise holy volitions. And it is this phase of it which led Luther to
declare that "Free-will is an empty term, whose reality is lost. And a
lost liberty, according to my grammar, is no liberty at all." In matters
pertaining to his salvation, the unregenerate man is not at liberty to
choose between good and evil, but only to choose between greater and
lesser evil, which is not properly free will. The fact that fallen man
still has ability to do certain acts morally good in themselves does not
prove that he can do acts meriting salvation, for his motives may be
wholly wrong.
So poor confused Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>/Bob<***@noel.noel>/***@gmail.com/
Stan <***@gmail.com>/Salo Flohr <***@brunswicknet.org>
quotes poor dim Loraine Boettner who claimed that
"the unregenerate man is not at liberty to choose between good and evil,
but only to choose between greater and lesser evil, which is not
properly free will"
and then punished humanity (because of the fictional Adam) for choosing
evil.
--
John Ritson
default
2020-02-09 12:10:28 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
1. STATEMENT OF THE DOCTRINE
IN the Westminster Confession the doctrine of Total Inability is stated as
follows: — "Man, by his fall Into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all
ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a
natural man, being altogether averse from good, and dead in sin, is not
able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself
thereunto."
Paul, Augustine, and Calvin have as their starting point the fact that all
mankind sinned in Adam and that all men are "without excuse," Rom. 2:1.
Time and again Paul tells us that we are dead in trespasses and sins,
estranged from God, and helpless. In writing to the Ephesian Christians he
reminded them that before they received the Gospel they were "separate
from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from
the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the
world," 2:12. There we notice the five-fold emphasis as he piles phrase on
top of phrase to stress this truth.
What do you hope to achieve by posting this religious gibberish on
alt.atheism? Do you really think an atheist is going to be swayed by
this? After all, most atheists have religion in their background.
(the operative word being BACKground)
Don Martin
2020-02-09 13:03:13 UTC
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Post by default
What do you hope to achieve by posting this religious gibberish on
alt.atheism?
Your attention.
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
Michael Christ
2020-02-09 20:29:34 UTC
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Post by Don Martin
Post by default
What do you hope to achieve by posting this religious gibberish on
alt.atheism?
Your attention.
Then mission complete. :-).




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
michellemalkingmail.com
2020-02-11 16:47:23 UTC
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Post by Don Martin
Post by default
What do you hope to achieve by posting this religious gibberish on
alt.atheism?
Your attention.
Bobert may have gotten my attention, but I wasn't responding for him but
for anyone else thinking about this stupid myth about human jealousy
caused by a warped god.
LinuxGal
2020-02-09 14:58:08 UTC
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Post by default
What do you hope to achieve by posting this religious gibberish on
alt.atheism? Do you really think an atheist is going to be swayed by
this? After all, most atheists have religion in their background.
(the operative word being BACKground)
Bob's not certain of his election, so he posts this crap to
reassure himself. Non-elect people don't do it.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-09 15:26:32 UTC
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Bob's not certain of his election, so he posts this crap to reassure
himself.
That theme is taken up in Part 4, Irresistible Grace. Then you'll see
where you're wrong about that. Okey-dokey? Be patient. I'll get there.


Non-elect people don't do it.

Uhh...Duh? I wonder why. NOT.
default
2020-02-09 16:24:43 UTC
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Post by default
What do you hope to achieve by posting this religious gibberish on
alt.atheism? Do you really think an atheist is going to be swayed by
this? After all, most atheists have religion in their background.
(the operative word being BACKground)
Bob's not certain of his election, so he posts this crap to
reassure himself. Non-elect people don't do it.
“the loudest one in the room is the weakest one in the room.”
John Ritson
2020-02-09 12:36:59 UTC
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Total Depravity
by Loraine Boettner
1. STATEMENT OF THE DOCTRINE
IN the Westminster Confession the doctrine of Total Inability is stated as
follows: — "Man, by his fall Into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all
ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a
natural man, being altogether averse from good, and dead in sin, is not
able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself
thereunto."
Paul, Augustine, and Calvin have as their starting point the fact that all
mankind sinned in Adam and that all men are "without excuse," Rom. 2:1.
Time and again Paul tells us that we are dead in trespasses and sins,
estranged from God, and helpless. In writing to the Ephesian Christians he
reminded them that before they received the Gospel they were "separate
from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from
the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the
world," 2:12. There we notice the five-fold emphasis as he piles phrase on
top of phrase to stress this truth.
So poor confused Robert Duncan/Jeremy Brown/Calvin Ramsay/Matthias
Sereno/Michael Lankford/Kelli Gibson/Stu D. Baker/Edsel D. Soto/
Kevin Madison/Molly Quel/Ellas McDaniel/Hunsawa Shayar/
Bob <***@null.null>/Bob<***@noel.noel>/***@gmail.com/
Stan <***@gmail.com>/Salo Flohr <***@brunswicknet.org>
quotes poor dim Loraine Boettner who believed that his imaginary
omnipotent deity created humanity doomed right from the start.
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John Ritson
Davej
2020-02-09 16:36:13 UTC
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Total Depravity
Being an delusional idiot like Smirk Bob who believes that
morality cannot exist without a invisible magical spirit
floating overhead.
Michael Christ
2020-02-09 21:15:27 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Total Depravity
Being an delusional idiot like Smirk Bob who believes that
morality cannot exist without a invisible magical spirit
floating overhead.
So you see yourself as a moral creature?




Michael Christ
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Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
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