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Defending Christian morality
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Cloud Hobbit
2017-12-29 04:33:17 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
Alex W.
2017-12-29 07:05:24 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that
biblical morality is correct? If so why?
A lot of it is -- or should be -- uncontroversial because it is as
near-universal as makes no difference. Injunctions to respect your
parents, to obey the law, not to steal or murder, not to mess with
someone's spouse ... they are self-evidently correct and moral, and can
be argued and justified without resorting to any deity.

The validity of harsher aspects of biblical morality depend very much on
context and circumstances. For us lucky folk, they have no place in
today's world where we have developed other mechanisms for coping, for
ensuring the survival of communities and societies. But if you were to
live on the margins, if your survival and that of your family and
community were constantly at risk of extinction, then a great many of
these rules can make sense. Dietary rules can help promote good
nutrition. Social diktats can ensure a cultural identity, social
harmony, conformity and cohesion: vital when a small community is
constantly threatened by the environment, the climate, or other outside
agencies (especially bigger or more aggressive human neighbours).
Adultery, for example, is not a major problem for us who live in large
cities and even larger nation-states -- but in a small and often
isolated community the ructions caused by sleeping around are a serious
threat to the social fabric. A Kalahari bushman or member of an
Amazonian tribe may scratch his or her head at the notion of such laws
promulgated by an invisible and ineffable sky pixie, but I warrant they
will recognise and approve of the rules themselves, recognising their
utility.
v***@gmail.com
2017-12-29 10:42:41 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in the Torah Book of Exodus.
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2017-12-29 18:52:05 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in the Torah Book of Exodus.
The "commandments" dealing with god have nothing to do with morality.
The rest of the commandments were plagiarized from Hammurabi, and no
telling where he picked them up.
v***@gmail.com
2017-12-29 19:23:48 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in the Torah Book of Exodus.
The "commandments" dealing with god have nothing to do with morality.
The rest of the commandments were plagiarized from Hammurabi, and no
telling where he picked them up.
The English language that you speak was plagiarized from German.
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2017-12-30 12:31:07 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in the Torah Book of Exodus.
The "commandments" dealing with god have nothing to do with morality.
The rest of the commandments were plagiarized from Hammurabi, and no
telling where he picked them up.
The English language that you speak was plagiarized from German.
You don't understand what plagiarized means?
Siri Cruise
2017-12-29 22:16:22 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that
biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in
the Torah Book of Exodus.
The "commandments" dealing with god have nothing to do with morality.
The rest of the commandments were plagiarized from Hammurabi, and no
telling where he picked them up.
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
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Teresita
2017-12-29 22:53:32 UTC
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The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
Kevrob
2017-12-29 23:15:38 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
The NT has 2. The one mentioned above, and to love ghod.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commandment
Post by Teresita
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The OLD Testament has the 613 commandments, and only for Jews.

We gentiles are only charged by it with seven, in the
opinion of some:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

Kevin R
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2017-12-30 12:38:46 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
The NT has 2. The one mentioned above, and to love ghod.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commandment
Post by Teresita
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The OLD Testament has the 613 commandments, and only for Jews.
Nope:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I
have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until
heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part
of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken
place.” (Matthew 5:17)

So all the OT is in force, enforced.

Anyone who thinks differently is a fallen fundamentalist or heretic.
(take your pick)
Post by Kevrob
We gentiles are only charged by it with seven, in the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
Kevin R
Kevrob
2017-12-30 13:11:47 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
The NT has 2. The one mentioned above, and to love ghod.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commandment
Post by Teresita
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The OLD Testament has the 613 commandments, and only for Jews.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I
have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until
heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part
of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken
place.” (Matthew 5:17)
So all the OT is in force, enforced.
Anyone who thinks differently is a fallen fundamentalist or heretic.
(take your pick)
Well, Christianity is a heresy, from the viewpoint of
First Century (C.E.) Judaism.
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Post by Kevrob
We gentiles are only charged by it with seven, in the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
The early Christian church had a debate about how much of the
Mosaic law gentile converts had to follow. Saul/Paul argued
against mandatory circumcision, against the strict dietary laws,
etc. His side won.

Both sides were spouting nonsense.

Kevin R
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2017-12-30 15:41:52 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
The NT has 2. The one mentioned above, and to love ghod.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commandment
Post by Teresita
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The OLD Testament has the 613 commandments, and only for Jews.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I
have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until
heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part
of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken
place.” (Matthew 5:17)
So all the OT is in force, enforced.
Anyone who thinks differently is a fallen fundamentalist or heretic.
(take your pick)
Well, Christianity is a heresy, from the viewpoint of
First Century (C.E.) Judaism.
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Post by Kevrob
We gentiles are only charged by it with seven, in the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
The early Christian church had a debate about how much of the
Mosaic law gentile converts had to follow. Saul/Paul argued
against mandatory circumcision, against the strict dietary laws,
etc. His side won.
Both sides were spouting nonsense.
Kevin R
Amazing how they call themselves Christian, yet can believe only what
they want to believe, and then have the temerity to tell the rest of
us where we are in error. (but that, I guess, is the definition of
"self-righteous, sanctimonious" etc.)
Bob
2017-12-30 17:54:11 UTC
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Amazing how they call themselves Christian, yet can believe only what
they want to believe,
No, that's not true.
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and then have the temerity to tell the rest of
us where we are in error. (but that, I guess, is the definition of
"self-righteous, sanctimonious" etc.)
You can call it whatever you want to. That don't really matter.
When you're wrong, you're wrong.

So, do you defend Christian morality, or not?
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2017-12-30 20:14:14 UTC
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Amazing how they call themselves Christian, yet can believe only what
they want to believe,
No, that's not true.
It is painfully true. When's the last time you stoned an adulterer or
sorcerer? It's in your book... God commands it.... You mean to tell
me you aren't doing what god commands? and you call yourself a
Xtian...
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and then have the temerity to tell the rest of
us where we are in error. (but that, I guess, is the definition of
"self-righteous, sanctimonious" etc.)
You can call it whatever you want to. That don't really matter.
When you're wrong, you're wrong.
Thankfully, I'm seldom wrong.
Post by Bob
So, do you defend Christian morality, or not?
Morality doesn't have a brand name. There's just moral and immoral.
Christians are among the most immoral people, but that's not too
surprising since they don't begin to understand morality, they have to
look it up in their rule book so they can: look for loopholes, ignore
it, or call it a sin and get forgiven, - or if they were going to do
it anyway, bask in sanctimonious hubris.
Don Martin
2017-12-30 21:19:41 UTC
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Amazing how they call themselves Christian, yet can believe only what
they want to believe,
No, that's not true.
It is painfully true. When's the last time you stoned an adulterer or
sorcerer? It's in your book... God commands it.... You mean to tell
me you aren't doing what god commands? and you call yourself a
Xtian...
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and then have the temerity to tell the rest of
us where we are in error. (but that, I guess, is the definition of
"self-righteous, sanctimonious" etc.)
You can call it whatever you want to. That don't really matter.
When you're wrong, you're wrong.
Thankfully, I'm seldom wrong.
Post by Bob
So, do you defend Christian morality, or not?
Morality doesn't have a brand name. There's just moral and immoral.
Christians are among the most immoral people, but that's not too
surprising since they don't begin to understand morality, they have to
look it up in their rule book so they can: look for loopholes, ignore
it, or call it a sin and get forgiven, - or if they were going to do
it anyway, bask in sanctimonious hubris.
From what I have seen of most of them, "Christian morality" is an
oxymoron.
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Bob
2017-12-30 21:30:07 UTC
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Amazing how they call themselves Christian, yet can believe only what
they want to believe,
No, that's not true.
It is painfully true.
No it's not. You're wrong.
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When's the last time you stoned an adulterer or
sorcerer? It's in your book... God commands it.... You mean to tell
me you aren't doing what god commands? and you call yourself a
Xtian...
Well, see? That's where your ignorance of the New Covenant, and all that
it stands for, is on full display for everyone to see.

"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.
And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
[Hebrews 8:13]

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old - That is,
the use of the word "new" implies that the one which it was to supersede
was "old." New and old stand in contradistinction from each other. Thus,
we speak of a new and old house, a new and old garment, etc. The object
of the apostle is to show that by the very fact of the arrangement for a
new dispensation differing so much from the old, it was implied of
necessity that that was to be superseded, and would vanish away. This
was one of the leading points at which he arrived."

"Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away - This is
a general truth which would be undisputed, and which Paul applies to the
case under consideration. An old house, or garment; an ancient tree; an
aged man, all have indications that they are soon to disappear. They
cannot be expected to remain long. The very fact of their growing old is
an indication that they will soon be gone. So Paul says it was with the
dispensation that was represented as old. It had symptoms of decay. It
had lost the vigor which it had when it was fresh and new; it had every
mark of an antiquated and a declining system; and it had been expressly
declared that a new and more perfect dispensation was to be given to the
world. Paul concluded, therefore, that the Jewish system must soon
disappear."

(From Barnes' Notes on the Bible)
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Post by Bob
You can call it whatever you want to. That doesn't really matter.
When you're wrong, you're wrong.
Thankfully, I'm seldom wrong.
Not this time.
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Post by Bob
So, do you defend Christian morality, or not?
Morality doesn't have a brand name. There's just moral and immoral.
Christians are among the most immoral people, but that's not too
surprising since they don't begin to understand morality, they have to
look it up in their rule book so they can: look for loopholes, ignore
it, or call it a sin and get forgiven, - or if they were going to do
it anyway, bask in sanctimonious hubris.
So then you admit you believe that "morality", in whatever costume you
prefer
dressing it up in, actually exists. You openly admit that something you
cannot
see, or touch, or smell, or hear, or taste, or scientifically test,
actually exists in
the here and now.

Well, so much for the Materialistic worldview of atheism. You just shredded
that up and tossed it out like old garbage. You not an atheist. You only
enjoy
pretending to be an atheist. You contradict what being an atheist means
almost
every day here in a.a.

I just wanted you to publicly confess what you have done, so I can watch as
you wiggle your way out of that corner you've backed yourself into.

Just give me a few minutes to fix up some popcorn first, okay?

Oh, this is going to be fun. Almost like Saturday Night at the Movies,
only this
is Real Life.

<smirk>
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2017-12-30 21:58:03 UTC
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Amazing how they call themselves Christian, yet can believe only what
they want to believe,
No, that's not true.
It is painfully true.
No it's not. You're wrong.
Post by default
When's the last time you stoned an adulterer or
sorcerer? It's in your book... God commands it.... You mean to tell
me you aren't doing what god commands? and you call yourself a
Xtian...
Well, see? That's where your ignorance of the New Covenant, and all that
it stands for, is on full display for everyone to see.
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.
And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
[Hebrews 8:13]
"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old - That is,
the use of the word "new" implies that the one which it was to supersede
was "old." New and old stand in contradistinction from each other. Thus,
we speak of a new and old house, a new and old garment, etc. The object
of the apostle is to show that by the very fact of the arrangement for a
new dispensation differing so much from the old, it was implied of
necessity that that was to be superseded, and would vanish away. This
was one of the leading points at which he arrived."
"Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away - This is
a general truth which would be undisputed, and which Paul applies to the
case under consideration. An old house, or garment; an ancient tree; an
aged man, all have indications that they are soon to disappear. They
cannot be expected to remain long. The very fact of their growing old is
an indication that they will soon be gone. So Paul says it was with the
dispensation that was represented as old. It had symptoms of decay. It
had lost the vigor which it had when it was fresh and new; it had every
mark of an antiquated and a declining system; and it had been expressly
declared that a new and more perfect dispensation was to be given to the
world. Paul concluded, therefore, that the Jewish system must soon
disappear."
(From Barnes' Notes on the Bible)
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Post by Bob
You can call it whatever you want to. That doesn't really matter.
When you're wrong, you're wrong.
Thankfully, I'm seldom wrong.
Not this time.
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Post by Bob
So, do you defend Christian morality, or not?
Morality doesn't have a brand name. There's just moral and immoral.
Christians are among the most immoral people, but that's not too
surprising since they don't begin to understand morality, they have to
look it up in their rule book so they can: look for loopholes, ignore
it, or call it a sin and get forgiven, - or if they were going to do
it anyway, bask in sanctimonious hubris.
So then you admit you believe that "morality", in whatever costume you
prefer
dressing it up in, actually exists. You openly admit that something you
cannot
see, or touch, or smell, or hear, or taste, or scientifically test,
actually exists in
the here and now.
Well, so much for the Materialistic worldview of atheism. You just shredded
that up and tossed it out like old garbage. You not an atheist. You only
enjoy
pretending to be an atheist. You contradict what being an atheist means
almost
every day here in a.a.
I just wanted you to publicly confess what you have done, so I can watch as
you wiggle your way out of that corner you've backed yourself into.
Matthew 5:17-19

You can't paint yourself out of the corner, so you have to invent
stuff. When you invent stuff you are a heretic. It doesn't matter if
you and your whole cult following is doing it, you are all heretics.

I think Winnie the Pooh should be god, or maybe one of the muppets, at
least their corner hasn't been painted.
Post by Bob
Just give me a few minutes to fix up some popcorn first, okay?
Oh, this is going to be fun. Almost like Saturday Night at the Movies,
only this
is Real Life.
<smirk>
Kevrob
2017-12-30 22:19:05 UTC
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Amazing how they call themselves Christian, yet can believe only what
they want to believe,
No, that's not true.
It is painfully true.
No it's not. You're wrong.
Post by default
When's the last time you stoned an adulterer or
sorcerer? It's in your book... God commands it.... You mean to tell
me you aren't doing what god commands? and you call yourself a
Xtian...
Well, see? That's where your ignorance of the New Covenant, and all that
it stands for, is on full display for everyone to see.
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.
And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
[Hebrews 8:13]
"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old - That is,
the use of the word "new" implies that the one which it was to supersede
was "old." New and old stand in contradistinction from each other. Thus,
we speak of a new and old house, a new and old garment, etc. The object
of the apostle is to show that by the very fact of the arrangement for a
new dispensation differing so much from the old, it was implied of
necessity that that was to be superseded, and would vanish away. This
was one of the leading points at which he arrived."
"Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away - This is
a general truth which would be undisputed, and which Paul applies to the
case under consideration. An old house, or garment; an ancient tree; an
aged man, all have indications that they are soon to disappear. They
cannot be expected to remain long. The very fact of their growing old is
an indication that they will soon be gone. So Paul says it was with the
dispensation that was represented as old. It had symptoms of decay. It
had lost the vigor which it had when it was fresh and new; it had every
mark of an antiquated and a declining system; and it had been expressly
declared that a new and more perfect dispensation was to be given to the
world. Paul concluded, therefore, that the Jewish system must soon
disappear."
(From Barnes' Notes on the Bible)
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Post by Bob
You can call it whatever you want to. That doesn't really matter.
When you're wrong, you're wrong.
Thankfully, I'm seldom wrong.
Not this time.
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Post by Bob
So, do you defend Christian morality, or not?
Morality doesn't have a brand name. There's just moral and immoral.
Christians are among the most immoral people, but that's not too
surprising since they don't begin to understand morality, they have to
look it up in their rule book so they can: look for loopholes, ignore
it, or call it a sin and get forgiven, - or if they were going to do
it anyway, bask in sanctimonious hubris.
So then you admit you believe that "morality", in whatever costume you
prefer
dressing it up in, actually exists. You openly admit that something you
cannot
see, or touch, or smell, or hear, or taste, or scientifically test,
actually exists in
the here and now.
Well, so much for the Materialistic worldview of atheism. You just shredded
that up and tossed it out like old garbage. You not an atheist. You only
enjoy
pretending to be an atheist. You contradict what being an atheist means
almost
every day here in a.a.
I just wanted you to publicly confess what you have done, so I can watch as
you wiggle your way out of that corner you've backed yourself into.
Matthew 5:17-19
The good ol' babble, contradicting itself, once again.
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You can't paint yourself out of the corner, so you have to invent
stuff. When you invent stuff you are a heretic. It doesn't matter if
you and your whole cult following is doing it, you are all heretics.
I think Winnie the Pooh should be god, or maybe one of the muppets,
It's been done. Remember the Mighty Favog, the talking idol
in the Land of Gorch? Got a request? It'll cost you a chicken.

Calvinism is just power-worship. The ghod of Calvin isn't
good: he just must be obeyed, even if one isn't going to get
any reward from it. It's his universe and we are all its slaves.

No wonder such divines as Jonathan Edwards were pro-slavery.

Kevin R
Bob
2017-12-30 22:40:15 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The good ol' babble, contradicting itself, once again.
Let's see you irrefutably prove it, and not just spew your
unsubstantiated opinion.

Otherwise, you're words are worthless drivel.

One day you'll learn how to keep your mouth shut.
Kevrob
2017-12-30 22:51:39 UTC
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The good ol' babble, contradicting itself, once again.
Let's see you irrefutably prove it, and not just spew your
unsubstantiated opinion.
They aren't my holey scribblings. I don't have to
disprove anything. It is you wackadoodles who say
you believe it, but can't come to agreement on its
meaning that have to prove they are worth anything,
all the while dismissing the scratchings put out
by rival religions: the Muslims, the Hindus, etc.
Post by Bob
Otherwise, you're words are worthless drivel.
One day you'll learn how to keep your mouth shut.
I'm not the one popping off in any religious newsgroups.

Perhaps one day you will learn not to be a troll?

Nahhhhh! That's not likely.

Kevin R
Bob
2017-12-30 22:57:18 UTC
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The good ol' babble, contradicting itself, once again.
Let's see you irrefutably prove it, and not just spew your
unsubstantiated opinion.
They aren't my holey scribblings. I don't have to
disprove anything.
You made an assertion. You cannot prove your assertion is true.

Then that assertion becomes just your unsubstantiated opinion,
and can be dismissed as irrelevant trash.


You're welcome.
Bob
2017-12-30 22:31:39 UTC
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You can't paint yourself out of the corner, so you have to invent
stuff. When you invent stuff you are a heretic. It doesn't matter if
you and your whole cult following is doing it, you are all heretics.
You're taking that passage completely out of context, making it say
something it doesn't say. Now your alleged atheism is nothing but
a faint dream you once had. You keep backing yourself into that corner.

If a verse or passage contradicts other verses or passages then your
interpretation of at least one of those verses or passages is wrong.
That's one of the first rules of Biblical Hermeneutics. The Bible is always
used to interpret the Bible. You're not following that rule. That's why
you're wrong.

https://www.gci.org/bible/matthew517

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/5-17.htm

http://www.ukapologetics.net/Jesusandthelaw.html



You're welcome.
Kevrob
2017-12-30 22:36:20 UTC
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The Bible is always used to interpret the Bible.
You're not following that rule. That's why you're wrong.
So, a closed system of thought, with nothing from outside
to act as a "Rosetta stone?"

"We believe the babble, because the babble says we must believe!"

Phooey on that.

Kevin R
Bob
2017-12-30 22:52:23 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Bible is always used to interpret the Bible.
You're not following that rule. That's why you're wrong.
So, a closed system of thought, with nothing from outside
to act as a "Rosetta stone?"
We believe the Bible to be the Eternal and Immutable Word of God.

It's already perfect. It needs no Rosetta stone.

You're trying too hard to save face from the sordid number of your
recent failures.

You need to learn how to keep your mouth shut.
Kevrob
2017-12-30 23:11:19 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
The Bible is always used to interpret the Bible.
You're not following that rule. That's why you're wrong.
So, a closed system of thought, with nothing from outside
to act as a "Rosetta stone?"
We believe the Bible to be the Eternal and Immutable Word of God.
How is it "eternal and Immutable" if the various Christians
can neither agree on its contents nor on the various passages'
meanings? You could go all "No True Scotsman" and declare a
version not preferred by your sect as "not really the bible."
Post by Bob
It's already perfect. It needs no Rosetta stone.
You've been reading it untranslated from the original
languages, then?
Post by Bob
You're trying too hard to save face from the sordid number of your
recent failures.
Says the troll who always considers himself correct, and every
one who doesn't believe his words in error. alt.atheism's own
interloping Presbyterian Pope!
Post by Bob
You need to learn how to keep your mouth shut.
I've already answered that. I'll be plainer:

You don't belong in this group, and your continued attempts
to participate in the conversation, and your insistent
declamation on behalf of your crabbed, evil doctrines should
end. I'm resisting the impulse to use imperative Anglo-Saxonisms
of the cruder sort. I'm sure you can imagine them.

Kevin R
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2017-12-30 23:25:55 UTC
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Do you believe morality actually exists?
Siri Cruise
2017-12-31 00:23:24 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
So, a closed system of thought, with nothing from outside
to act as a "Rosetta stone?"
What makes you think the scientific method is not a closed system?
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Teresita
2017-12-30 22:44:38 UTC
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Post by Bob
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.
And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
[Hebrews 8:13]
The New Covenant is now 1,500 years older than the Torah it purports to
replace for being, at the time, 500 years old. So when does Xianity
pass away?
Bob
2017-12-30 23:03:41 UTC
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Post by Teresita
Post by Bob
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.
And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
[Hebrews 8:13]
The New Covenant is now 1,500 years older than the Torah it purports to
replace for being, at the time, 500 years old. So when does Xianity
pass away?
I don't know what "Xianity" is.
Teresita
2017-12-30 23:12:33 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Teresita
Post by Bob
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.
And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
[Hebrews 8:13]
The New Covenant is now 1,500 years older than the Torah it purports to
replace for being, at the time, 500 years old. So when does Xianity
pass away?
I don't know what "Xianity" is.
It's a portmanteau of X (abbr. Christ, as in X-mas) and inanity.
b***@gmail.com
2017-12-30 23:27:59 UTC
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Post by Teresita
Post by Bob
Post by Teresita
Post by Bob
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.
And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
[Hebrews 8:13]
The New Covenant is now 1,500 years older than the Torah it purports to
replace for being, at the time, 500 years old. So when does Xianity
pass away?
I don't know what "Xianity" is.
It's a portmanteau of X (abbr. Christ, as in X-mas) and inanity.
If you want to play word games, you're going to have to find somebody else.
Kevrob
2017-12-30 23:43:23 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Post by Teresita
Post by Bob
Post by Teresita
Post by Bob
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete.
And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
[Hebrews 8:13]
The New Covenant is now 1,500 years older than the Torah it purports to
replace for being, at the time, 500 years old. So when does Xianity
pass away?
I don't know what "Xianity" is.
It's a portmanteau of X (abbr. Christ, as in X-mas) and inanity.
If you want to play word games, you're going to have to find somebody else.
The "Xtianity" abbreviation, or "Xmas," is based on the Greek
"chi rho" symbol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_rho

It is still used in certain large Christian sects, even if
Bob considers it a heretical accretion to his version.

Kevin R
b***@gmail.com
2017-12-30 23:49:26 UTC
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Do you believe morality actually exists?
Siri Cruise
2017-12-30 13:18:12 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Post by Teresita
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The OLD Testament has the 613 commandments, and only for Jews.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I
have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until
heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part
of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken
place.” (Matthew 5:17)
So all the OT is in force, enforced.
Human are a peculiar species with this strange notion of law, justice, and
morality. A honest discussion of the bible would cover many of its arguments
about justice with respect to one particular legal code. I would include the
poetic edda since many of its stories are also about justice with respect to a
different legal code. Greek plays about their religion like the Oedipus cycle
are also discussions of law, justice, and morality.

However an honest discussion is impossible in alt-atheism.
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Teresita
2017-12-30 14:30:35 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
A honest discussion of the bible would cover many of its arguments
about justice with respect to one particular legal code.
In the book of Numbers, when Moses tells the people to kill the women
who have "known a man" and also the men and the little boys, but keep
young women who have NOT known a man alive, what do you think they used
those little girls for? Tent-cleaning?
!! Atheist ------------------------------
2017-12-30 15:30:09 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by default
Post by Kevrob
Post by Teresita
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The OLD Testament has the 613 commandments, and only for Jews.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I
have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until
heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part
of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken
place.” (Matthew 5:17)
So all the OT is in force, enforced.
Human are a peculiar species with this strange notion of law, justice, and
morality. A honest discussion of the bible would cover many of its arguments
about justice with respect to one particular legal code. I would include the
poetic edda since many of its stories are also about justice with respect to a
different legal code. Greek plays about their religion like the Oedipus cycle
are also discussions of law, justice, and morality.
However an honest discussion is impossible in alt-atheism.
Sure it is; did Jews actually kill girls for not being virgin on wedding day?

Well, you don't know, but IN YOUR OPINION was that commandment from alleged god EVER enforced by Jews?

Be honest, don't be mealy-mouthed refuse-to-answer 'I don't know my opinion either'.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Siri Cruise
2017-12-30 22:32:57 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
However an honest discussion is impossible in alt-atheism.
Sure it is; did Jews actually kill girls for not being virgin on wedding day?
So much for honest discussion.
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Teresita
2017-12-30 13:55:43 UTC
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"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I
have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until
heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part
of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken
place.” (Matthew 5:17)
So all the OT is in force, enforced.
If anything, Jesus required an even more rigid application of the law.
Even thinking about sex with a married person was adultery, he said.
Then along comes Paul, who needed to sign up gentiles, and getting a
flap of skin cut off their penis wasn't helping subscriptions. So he
got them out of that "eternal covenant" and ever since then Christians
think they have carte blanche to cherry pick anything.
!! Atheist ------------------------------
2017-12-30 15:02:36 UTC
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The NT has 2 [commandments].
The OLD Testament has the 613 commandments
Wrong.

Total of 1304 commandments in OT/NT each listed, numbered, and clickable:
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2014/06/every-jot-and-tittle-list-of-all-bibles.html

832 in OT; 472 in NT.
The 613 number came from a Jewish rabbi giving his personal "interpretations".
The NT has commandments like "Slaves obey your masters", "Women can't speak in church".

Or if you prefer just the 110 Jesus-commands:
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-109-commandments-of-jesus.html#833


How in fuck can someone claiming Jesuit college AND in alt.atheism be so ignorant of Bible?
Kevin R
a time-wasting milque-toast idiot....get out.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Kevrob
2017-12-30 15:47:06 UTC
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The NT has 2 [commandments].
The OLD Testament has the 613 commandments
Wrong.
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2014/06/every-jot-and-tittle-list-of-all-bibles.html
832 in OT; 472 in NT.
The 613 number came from a Jewish rabbi giving his personal "interpretations".
The NT has commandments like "Slaves obey your masters", "Women can't speak in church".
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-109-commandments-of-jesus.html#833
How in fuck can someone claiming Jesuit college AND in alt.atheism be so ignorant of Bible?
Teresita mentioned that "613 commandments" line. I didn't go to
the trouble of fact-checking her. The important thing is that
Jewish law had many more than 10, not the exact number.

As for "ignorance of the Bible," Catholic religious education does
not concentrate on memorizing bible verses or achieving Jeopardy-
contestant levels of knowledge of bible minutiae. They leave that
to the more bible-obsessed Protestants.
Post by !! Atheist ------------------------------
Kevin R
a time-wasting milque-toast idiot....get out.
The troll trying to force someone who has seen through his
charade out of the group. Nice try, won't work, Notty, ol'
sock!

Kevin R
!! Atheist ------------------------------
2017-12-30 16:01:32 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Post by !! Atheist ------------------------------
The NT has 2 [commandments].
The OLD Testament has the 613 commandments
Wrong.
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2014/06/every-jot-and-tittle-list-of-all-bibles.html
832 in OT; 472 in NT.
The 613 number came from a Jewish rabbi giving his personal "interpretations".
The NT has commandments like "Slaves obey your masters", "Women can't speak in church".
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-109-commandments-of-jesus.html#833
How in fuck can someone claiming Jesuit college AND in alt.atheism be so ignorant of Bible?
Teresita mentioned that "613 commandments" line. I didn't go to
the trouble of fact-checking her.
You didn't know and you claimed only 2 in NT. Idiot, can't bear to admit being wrong.
Post by Kevrob
Post by !! Atheist ------------------------------
Kevin R
a time-wasting milque-toast idiot....get out.
Indeed.
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Kevrob
2017-12-30 16:09:45 UTC
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Post by !! Atheist ------------------------------
a time-wasting milque-toast idiot....get out.
Indeed.
agreeing with yourself?

You've gone full troll, "smilar."

Kevin R
!! Atheist ------------------------------
2017-12-30 16:20:26 UTC
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Post by !! Atheist ------------------------------
Post by !! Atheist ------------------------------
a time-wasting milque-toast idiot....get out.
Indeed.
agreeing with yourself?
You've gone full troll, "smilar."
Kevin R
This is how you post (divert) when you're wrong or are cornered. Just like Christians, no difference.

Idiot.
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Teresita
2017-12-30 16:24:10 UTC
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Post by !! Atheist ------------------------------
Post by !! Atheist ------------------------------
a time-wasting milque-toast idiot....get out.
Indeed.
agreeing with yourself?
You've gone full troll, "smilar."
Never go full troll!
v***@gmail.com
2017-12-30 02:11:48 UTC
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Post by Teresita
Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The 613 are in the Old Testament.
Teresita
2017-12-30 02:19:06 UTC
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Post by v***@gmail.com
Post by Teresita
Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The 613 are in the Old Testament.
Matthew 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled.

Last time I checked, the earth is still here. That makes the Law valid
for today
v***@gmail.com
2017-12-30 02:21:42 UTC
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Post by Teresita
Post by v***@gmail.com
Post by Teresita
Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The 613 are in the Old Testament.
Matthew 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled.
Last time I checked, the earth is still here. That makes the Law valid
for today
Matthew is New Testament.
Teresita
2017-12-30 02:28:17 UTC
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Post by Teresita
Post by v***@gmail.com
Post by Teresita
Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The 613 are in the Old Testament.
Matthew 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled.
Last time I checked, the earth is still here. That makes the Law valid
for today
Matthew is New Testament.
Correct. So we have the New Testament telling us that the 613 laws of
the Old Testament are still valid.
Siri Cruise
2017-12-30 06:16:33 UTC
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Post by v***@gmail.com
Post by Teresita
Post by v***@gmail.com
Post by Teresita
Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The 613 are in the Old Testament.
Matthew 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled.
Last time I checked, the earth is still here. That makes the Law valid
for today
Matthew is New Testament.
Correct. So we have the New Testament telling us that the 613 laws of
the Old Testament are still valid.
That's really lame. You need something more than 'I used to be a catholic so I
know everything.' The new testament is all about the relation of Mosaic Law and
christians. You can't sum it up with a couple of quotations.
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2017-12-30 12:39:36 UTC
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Post by Teresita
Post by v***@gmail.com
Post by Teresita
Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
The 613 are in the Old Testament.
Matthew 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled.
Last time I checked, the earth is still here. That makes the Law valid
for today
Matthew is New Testament.
I'm sure she already knows that.
v***@gmail.com
2017-12-30 09:25:29 UTC
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Post by Teresita
Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
We don't believe in witches anymore, the kind that cast spells on people, so that's not a big deal.
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2017-12-30 12:45:42 UTC
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Post by v***@gmail.com
Post by Teresita
Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
It has 613 commandments, and one of them is to kill witches on sight.
That doesn't sound like "love each other" to me.
We don't believe in witches anymore, the kind that cast spells on people, so that's not a big deal.
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his
daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells
fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer. Deuteronomy 18:10

We still have people who practice fortune telling, interpreting omens,
even divination...

sor·cer·er
noun

a person who claims or is believed to have magic powers; a wizard.

That takes in all politicians, car salesmen, real estate agents,
corporate CEO's, etc..
!! Atheist ------------------------------
2017-12-30 15:35:25 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
Oh bullshit. Read the Bible; the NT clearly supports the ugly behavior commanded in the OT.

Don't be a dizzy airhead.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Draper
2017-12-30 21:37:01 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that
biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in
the Torah Book of Exodus.
The "commandments" dealing with god have nothing to do with morality.
The rest of the commandments were plagiarized from Hammurabi, and no
telling where he picked them up.
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
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Siri Cruise
2017-12-31 00:20:23 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that
biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in
the Torah Book of Exodus.
The "commandments" dealing with god have nothing to do with morality.
The rest of the commandments were plagiarized from Hammurabi, and no
telling where he picked them up.
The new testament has one commandment, love each other, and I'm kind of hoping
that was and is popular with everyone.
--
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
How do you love a creature waving a weapon at you?
--
Waxing Gibbous
Drop your knickers and moon them.
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Cloud Hobbit
2017-12-29 23:33:48 UTC
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The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in the Torah Book of Exodus.


Perhaps you were unaware that Christans include the OT in their belief system.

So the 10 commandments are also part of Christian morality.
v***@gmail.com
2017-12-30 02:09:50 UTC
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The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in the Torah Book of Exodus.
Perhaps you were unaware that Christans include the OT in their belief system.
So the 10 commandments are also part of Christian morality.
The source is Judaism.
!! Atheist ------------------------------
2017-12-30 15:51:37 UTC
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The source is Judaism.
You're goddamned right. We should blame Judaism too; no free pass for Judaism in alt.atheism.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is *THE* foundation of Christianity.
Sycophant: a compulsive ass-kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
Yap Honghor
2017-12-30 04:53:54 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The Ten Commandments came from Judaism, not Christianity.They are listed in the Torah Book of Exodus.
Myths of Judaism or Christianity are the same....
What are you trying to say?
John Locke
2017-12-29 17:22:21 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
v***@gmail.com
2017-12-29 18:05:03 UTC
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Post by John Locke
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:33:17 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
Go dig them up and yell at them.
v***@gmail.com
2017-12-29 18:14:23 UTC
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Post by John Locke
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:33:17 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
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2017-12-29 18:53:51 UTC
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Post by John Locke
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:33:17 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
What's your point? We are just now figuring out homosexuality is not
a crime. The bible was an impediment to morality not the font of it.
v***@gmail.com
2017-12-29 19:24:39 UTC
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Post by John Locke
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:33:17 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
What's your point? We are just now figuring out homosexuality is not
a crime. The bible was an impediment to morality not the font of it.
Morality changes.
Yap Honghor
2017-12-30 04:58:05 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
What's your point? We are just now figuring out homosexuality is not
a crime. The bible was an impediment to morality not the font of it.
Morality changes.
What? It changes? How?
You mean murder in the past was Ok when it is criminal now?
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2017-12-30 12:49:42 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
What's your point? We are just now figuring out homosexuality is not
a crime. The bible was an impediment to morality not the font of it.
Morality changes.
Morality never changes, what society allows changes.

The easy way to understand what is "moral" is to conflate morality
with the "do unto others," rule.
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2017-12-31 00:52:24 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
What's your point? We are just now figuring out homosexuality is not
a crime. The bible was an impediment to morality not the font of it.
Morality changes.
Morality never changes, what society allows changes.
The easy way to understand what is "moral" is to conflate morality
with the "do unto others," rule.
There is no "society".
In 1860, slavery was legal in Georgia and illegal in New York.

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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
What's your point? We are just now figuring out homosexuality is not
a crime.
It is in 76 countries.
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
What's your point? We are just now figuring out homosexuality is not
a crime.
It is in 76 countries.
Then I suggest you move to one of those backward countries with
immoral laws if you feel that strongly.
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2017-12-29 20:11:37 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
19th Century. December 1865. 13th Amendment.
Kevrob
2017-12-29 21:05:31 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
Mostly the 19th: the 1800s. France outlawed slavery in 1789, during
its Revolution, but slavery on the island of Great Britain had been
having its legality eroded by various court cases since the mid-1500s,
and into the 1700s.

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_at_common_law

Britain's Parliament passed an Abolition Act in 1834, the
US outlawed slavery after the Civil War in all its territories,
and Saudi Arabia and yemen got around to abolition in 1962:
on paper, anyway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom

Tandy, as usual, is sloppy with his "facts."

Kevin R
Yap Honghor
2017-12-30 04:56:35 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
It's common sense?Slavery was not outlawed until the 18th century.
Of course it is common sense.....
Slavery was condoned or allowed even as you valued the practice in the past while embracing the stupidity of religion????
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2017-12-29 21:49:40 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
If thou shalt not kill is "common sense", why do we have so many wars?
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
If thou shalt not kill is "common sense", why do we have so many wars?
Because it is uncommon sense?

We choose leaders that are greedy and competitive.
Alex W.
2017-12-30 04:48:57 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
"Common sense" is rarely common, and equally rarely sensible. It is
equally common-sensical to say "do whatever you want as long as you can
get away with it". For instance, such an attitude is, by and large,
common sense to a criminal underclass who do not conceive of their
chosen profession as wrong, and who know that punishment by those who do
regard it as wrong is rare indeed.

Or take marriage: in many cultures and throughout the ages it was
ubiquitous and remains widespread to consider is self-evident common
sense that marriage should be between man and woman; that there should
be a head of household; that said head should be the man; that this man
should have the right to expect obedience in all matters, if necessary
by force.

To most people in the age of colonialism, it was utterly obvious and
common sense that the white man was innately superior to other races,
and that we therefore have a perfect right to conquer foreign lands,
subjugate its peoples, and do with these newfound possessions as we see
fit.

In short, there are many, MANY examples to prove that common sense is a
poor yardstick indeed for judging anything at all, let alone morality.
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that
biblical morality is correct? If so why?
...yes, on a few points, but you don't need some crappy book to tell
you that killing and stealing is wrong. That's just common sense. And
the blasted thing is pathetically incomplete. They left out "thou
shalt not keep slaves", "thou shalt not beat thine children", "thou
shalt not be a sexist pig", "thou shalt not neglect the poor and
infirm", "thou shalt not treat non-human animals inhumanely"...and a
whole lot more.
"Common sense" is rarely common, and equally rarely sensible. It is
equally common-sensical to say "do whatever you want as long as you can
get away with it". For instance, such an attitude is, by and large,
common sense to a criminal underclass who do not conceive of their
chosen profession as wrong, and who know that punishment by those who do
regard it as wrong is rare indeed.
Or take marriage: in many cultures and throughout the ages it was
ubiquitous and remains widespread to consider is self-evident common
sense that marriage should be between man and woman; that there should
be a head of household; that said head should be the man; that this man
should have the right to expect obedience in all matters, if necessary
by force.
To most people in the age of colonialism, it was utterly obvious and
common sense that the white man was innately superior to other races,
and that we therefore have a perfect right to conquer foreign lands,
subjugate its peoples, and do with these newfound possessions as we see
fit.
In short, there are many, MANY examples to prove that common sense is a
poor yardstick indeed for judging anything at all, let alone morality.
That's a generalization of common sense. Common sense should be
something that even a three years old can know, but a ninety years old
may ignore.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.
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"Common sense" is rarely common, and equally rarely sensible. It is
equally common-sensical to say "do whatever you want as long as you can
get away with it". For instance, such an attitude is, by and large,
common sense to a criminal underclass who do not conceive of their
chosen profession as wrong, and who know that punishment by those who do
regard it as wrong is rare indeed.
I think you are describing the behavior of much of Wall Street,
politicians, etc.. The unpunished, unrepentant, irresponsible,
criminal underclass...

Those same people we hold up as "successful" and are told to emulate.
Yap Honghor
2017-12-30 04:52:36 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The unawareness may come from being brain damage or innocent young, not of normal grown up age.....
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2017-12-30 05:03:56 UTC
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
The unawareness may come from being brain damage or innocent young, not of normal grown up age.....
You express much negativism.
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What if you were unaware of any God myths would you still think that biblical morality is correct? If so why?
If you take the NT bible much of what it includes is moral and was
posited as moral by Greek and Roman philosophers long before Jesus was
born.
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