On Sun, 22 Jan 2017 13:49:37 -0500, "Scout"
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 16:19:33 -0500, "Scout"
On Sat, 21 Jan 2017 02:18:17 -0700, Just Wondering
That country was defined in the Constitution ...
Why then did the United States of America exist as a
country for years before the Constitution was drafted?
The Articles of Confederation were not ratified until 1781 and
established the name of the new country as the United States
details clearly show the name was not for a single political body
a confederation of independent States that had formed together to
present a united front in dealing with foreign governments. It
So the United States of America failed?
Define what you mean by "United States of America".
Wow, you don't even know what country you're talking about.
But tell me, do you think there is more than one United States of
There were two.
Nope - only one. It changed its constitution.
Which we all note is a provision allowed in the current Constitution.
By "changed", I meant "replaced entirely."
Yep, and allowed by the current Constitution.
No provision for it in the Articles.
Tell that to the States that called for a Constitutional Convention.
There is a serious school of thought that says that, under the
Articles, what the drafters of the Constitution did was
Perhaps, but then again the intent of any Constitutional Convention is
to make any and all changes necessary.
The "Federal convention" was not intended to be a complete constitutiona
Depends on who you ask. Some expected it to be.
The end result is anytime you have a Constitutional Convention, anything or
everything can be changed, altered, modified, or simply thrown out.
It's then up to the states to decide if they will ratify the result.
The states ratified it.
End of story.
They had no mandate (yes!) to replace the Articles.
Agreed, yet the states didn't need to ratify it if they found it utterly
objectionable, or felt the delegates exceeded their authority.
Yet the states did ratify it, and thus the Articles of Confederation
were replaced by the US Constitution and the nation changed how it's
central government was formed and functioned.
The states didn't ratify it in accord with the specification for
amendments in the Articles.
Actually they did, since eventually every state ratified it.
However, since it wasn't an Amendment for the Articles, but rather a
replacement, they didn't need to follow the specification set for Amendments
in the Articles.
See that's why a Constitutional Convention is such a double edged sword,
they can make changes you wanted, or they can do something else entirely.
It wasn't unanimously ratified when it was declared adopted. That's
Not according to the Constitution.
The ratification of the conventions of nine states, shall be sufficient for
the establishment of this Constitution between the states so ratifying the
You will note the Constitution only applied if at least 9 states ratified
it, and then ONLY to the states that ratified it.
9 states ratified it, those 9 states adopted it, and eventually every other
state ratified and adopted it.