Post by Just Wondering Post by Scout Post by Just Wondering
On 1/22/2017 11:55 AM, Scout wrote:>
On 1/21/2017 1:43 PM, Scout wrote:>
So according to you there is no right to life.
There is no unlimitted or limited, either
right to life.
If you're trapped in burning car, the police and firefighters
will do what they can with undue risk to themselves and with
resources available. They don't want to listen to you scream
as you die, but they may have more victims than they can
treat so they concentrate on the ones most likely to survive.
More to the point for t.p.guns, if someone accosts me with
deadly force I have a right to use a gun to deprive him of life.
Which is your right UNDER THE LAW.
Even if you're a legal slave?
At this point in history, there is no nation on earth where
slavery (that is, chattel slavery) is legal.
Actually, there is one. The United States of America. See the 13th
Of course, as you point out, until it's imposed as a criminal sentence,
it's pretty moot. Further I expect it would never be imposed as a
sentence. Yet that isn't the issue at hand. The question is whether it's
technically legal. Per the Constitution, it is.
I'm not going to bother with the research because it's not worth the
time to me, but I read that SCOTUS has interpreted 13A so as to make
chattel slavery illegal even as a punishment for crime.
Would this be the same SCOTUS that interpreted the 13A to allow racial
Just because SCOTUS says it, doesn't make it so.
The question you should always ask yourself is "What does the
Constitution have to say about it?"
After all, it's not that hard to read and understand the Constitution.
Get one of your state legislators to sponsor a bill imposing slavery to
crime victims or their families as a punishment for rape, murder and
other violent crimes. Let us know how far that gets.
It's called community service and they all, even some rapists are
required to repay victims and/or the community for damages other than
dollar amounts such as working with other rapists or speaking out.
Murder as in Drunk driving can get you community service.
Judges sentence people to wild off the wall things that are slavery.
[""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Noise Ordinance Violators Forced to
Listen to Barry Manilow
Fort Lupton, Colorado: In the small town of Fort Lupton, Judge Paul
Sacco gives people who blast their car stereos too loud a taste of their
own medicine by forcing them to listen to blaring music for an hour. The
music is designed to be as grating as possible to the offenders, whose
music of choice tends to be hip-hop and rock ‘n roll: Barry Manilow,
Dolly Parton, classical music, nursery rhymes, TV theme songs and maybe
a show tune or two. No word on what happens if someone is arrested for
Men Sentenced to Dress in Drag
Coshocton, Ohio: Judge David Hostetler gave Jason Householder, 23, and
John Stockum, 21, two options of punishment for throwing beer bottles at
a woman in a car: 60 days in jail or an hour of walking through downtown
Coshocton in dresses, wigs and makeup. They chose the dresses. The
punishment was meant to teach the young men to respect women, but it may
have just taught them how to walk in heels.
RichardThompson.jpgJudge Rules Sex Offender Is Too Short for Prison
Sidney, Nebraska: Convicted child molester Richard W. Thompson, 50, was
given 10 years’ probation in lieu of prison time when Judge Kristine
Cecava declared that the 5-foot-1 man’s stature, combined with the
nature of his crime, would put him in danger in jail. Wait, you mean
jail is dangerous?
Man Forbidden to Have a Girlfriend
Ontario, Canada: Arrested for attacking his ex-girlfriend, Steven
Cranley, 24, was declared by doctors to have difficulty coping with
rejection and was thus ordered by Judge Rhys Morgan to refrain from “a
romantic relationship of an intimate nature with a female person” for
three years. During that time, he received counseling, but half-way
through his sentence, he again assaulted a female acquaintance (a
different one) and was sentenced to two years in jail.
RobertRestaino.jpgJudge Arrests Entire Courtroom
Niagara Falls, New York: Later claiming to have been under stress in his
personal life, Judge Robert Restaino went ballistic one day in 2005 when
he heard a cell phone ring in his courtroom. When the offender didn’t
step forward to confess, Restaino pulled the equivalent of a grade
school teacher making the class put their heads on their desks and
arrested the entire courtroom. Fourty-six people were thrown in jail.
Thirty-two of them posted bail and the rest were shackled and bused to
another facility. Restaino ordered them released later that day, but the
damage had been done; the judge was relieved of his position.
*Judge Makes Slumlord Live in His Own Building*
Cleveland, Ohio: In what sounds like something out of a Joe Pesci movie,
landlord Nicholas Dionisopoulos, who owned over 40 run-down properties
in Cleveland, was sentenced to six months’ house arrest in one of the
units, where he presumably experienced a series of wacky pratfalls
before finally realizing the err of his ways — unless Hollywood lied to
us. He was also fined $100,000.
PachinoHill.jpgMan Sentenced to Church
Davenport, Iowa: Running out of patience with longtime criminal Pachino
Hill, 29, Judge Christine Dalton sentenced the man to eight weeks of
church, along with counseling and probation. Within 10 months, he was on
trial again, this time for vehicular manslaughter in relation to a home
invasion — not to mention a his involvement in a separate stabbing.
Six-Year-Old Boy Sentenced to Traffic School
Los Lunas, New Mexico: When a woman was ticketed because her
six-year-old son wasn’t wearing a seatbelt, she expressed her
frustration that the boy refused to stay buckled up and would repeatedly
undo the restraint while she drove. She asked Judge John Sanchez for
help, so he sentenced the grade schooler to traffic school —
specifically, a seatbelt safety class specially designed for the child.
*Man Ordered to Wear “Sex Offender” T-shirt at Work*
Newark, Delaware: Convicted of exposing himself to 10-year-old girl
while on the job, 69-year-old Russell Teeter was sentenced to 60 days in
jail, with the unusual stipulation that upon his release, he must wear a
t-shirt reading “I am a registered sex offender” at work for 22 straight
months. Teeter should consider himself lucky on a couple of counts: 1)
he’s self-employed, running a gardening business with his (delusional?)
wife, and 2) the sentence seems pretty light, considering his 10
indecent exposure convictions since 1976.
*Woman Has to Eat Bread and Water*
Houston, Texas: Convicted of animal neglect that led to the
euthanization of one of her horses, 28-year-old Melissa Dawn Sweeney was
sentenced to 30 days in jail, *the first three with nothing* to *eat*
*but bread and water* — which was “more than her horses got,” according
to Judge Mike Peters. I guess a riding crop would’ve been out of the
rapist.jpgCourt Agrees to Give Rapist Lighter Sentence If Victim Agrees
to Marry Him
New Delhi, India: Pushing forgiveness to the extreme, a New Delhi court
asked a rape victim to consider marrying her attacker because she’d have
few other options due to the stigma of being raped. If she said yes, the
court would actually reduce the man’s sentence — presumably so they
could spend more time together? Thankfully, she refused the offer, and
the rapist was sentenced to life in prison, where he may very well catch
his own case of stigma.
*Drunk Driver Ordered to Carry Photo of Dead Victim*
Butler, Pennsylvania: When Jennifer Langston, 27, was convicted of
driving drunk and causing the accident that killed Glenn Clark and put
his pregnant wife in a coma, she was sentenced to only 30 days in jail
and ordered to carry a photo of Clark so that she could reflect on her
actions. When the picture provided by the victim’s mother turned out to
be that of Clark in his coffin, Langston protested, apparently not
appropriately relieved at her light sentence. However, Judge George
Hancher insisted, and she was forced to carry the photo with her for
Sentenced three men convicticted of soliciting prostitutes to an
hour on the street dressed as chickens.
Ordered a man who stole a Salvation Army donation kettle to spend a
Made a man who called police officers “pigs” stand on a street
corner with a pig wearing a sign that read “This is not a police officer.”
Made two men who shot paintball guns at a house shoot their own car.
Ordered a couple of teens who vandalized a nativity scene to walk
down the street with a donkey and an apology sign reading “Sorry for the
Ordered a woman who abandoned kittens in a park to spend a night in
Sentenced a man who killed his dog to dress up like a “safety dog”
and educate elementary schools.
Made a teenager caught stealing adult videos stand outside the store
blindfolded with a sign reading “See no evil.”
Had a woman who stole money from a church spell out an apology in
coins in front of the church, reading “I stole coins from this church
and apologize to each worshipper as they enter the church.”
*Some of those were damn funny, but still slavery*