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Ronny Koch
2019-01-22 20:58:35 UTC
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Every state celebrates Martin Luther King Jr. Day, but not every
state celebrates it the same way. In New Hampshire, King’s
birthday is “Martin Luther King Jr. Civil Rights Day,” an
explicit celebration of the entire civil rights movement (and a
compromise with lawmakers who didn’t want a day devoted to King
alone). In Idaho, it’s “Martin Luther King, Jr.–Idaho Human
Rights Day,” a celebration of justice writ large. And in three
states—Alabama, Arkansas, and Mississippi—MLK Day is also Robert
E. Lee Day.

This isn’t a different Robert E. Lee—some forgotten crusader for
human equality. No, this is the Gen. Robert E. Lee who led
Confederate armies in war against the United States, who
defended a nation built on the “great truth” that the “negro is
not equal to the white man,” and whose armies kidnapped and sold
free black Americans whenever they had the opportunity.

Despite his betrayal of the Union (a stark contrast to fellow
Virginian Winfield Scott, who refused to join the Confederacy)
and his treatment of enslaved black Americans—as a slavedriver,
he sold children and oversaw brutal punishments, including
sewing brine into the wounds of returned fugitives—Lee’s popular
image is of an honorable and decent man who fought well and
loathed slavery. (The former is debatable and the latter is
true, in that Lee thought slaveholding a burdensome occupation.)

There are three other states that commemorate the life of Lee:
Georgia, Florida, and Virginia. The difference is that their
celebrations are all separate from MLK Day, if only by a few
days: Virginia’s Robert E. Lee Day was this past Friday.

In fairness, Lee Day isn’t a recent invention. The general’s
birthday falls on Jan. 19, and the first official commemoration
was marked by the Virginia legislature in 1889, a decade after
the end of Reconstruction and well into the period of racial
regression, when Southern state legislatures dismantled efforts
at biracial education, imposed Jim Crow, and turned a blind eye
to anti-black terrorism. And in 1904, Robert E. Lee Day became
“Lee-Jackson Day” after Virginia added Confederate Gen. Thomas
“Stonewall” Jackson to the holiday.

All of this raises an obvious question: How did Lee get tangled
up in our national commemoration of Martin Luther King Jr. and
the civil rights movement? The best answer is convenience. In
states that commemorated Lee, lawmakers who approved of MLK Day
didn’t want to create two holidays in January. Instead, they
combined the two days. As a concept, it was a poor pairing. As a
bureaucratic solution, it worked.

But over the next two decades, under pressure from civil rights
groups, several states would either end their Lee commemorations
or move them to a different day. In 2000, pushed by Republican
Gov. Jim Gilmore, Virginia would end the state’s “Lee-Jackson-
King Day” and reserve the third Monday of January for the civil
rights leader.

It should be said that the “Lee” part of “Lee-King Day” is
mostly downplayed in states that have the holiday. Outside of a
few towns and counties, there aren’t any public events in honor
of Lee’s memory. The general, a symbol of the white South—or at
least, a version of it—exists in quiet tension with King, a
symbol of a more modern, integrated South. Still, it’s not hard
to find some commemoration of Lee, who continues to capture
Southern imaginations. “If the image of Lee changes in history,
the man himself did not, even in the face of the greatest
provocations,” writes Paul Greenberg for the Arkansas-Democrat
Gazette in its annual editorial on the life of Lee, “His
victories were great, but his honor greater.”

As a Virginian, I understand the drive to praise Lee. His honor
is an undeniable and worthy quality. But we shouldn’t forget
what Lee fought for. Not for freedom or for liberty, but for
perpetual bondage and a South that forever held its black
citizens as slaves and servants. And while Lee spent the post-
war period as an advocate for reconciliation, he also opposed
the nascent moves toward racial egalitarianism, condemning black
suffrage, even as many black leaders favored voting rights for
former Confederates and the education for their children.

Indeed, if anyone should want an end to official celebrations of
Lee and the Confederacy, it’s the white Southerners who hold on
to this memory. The general isn’t just a totem of the
Confederacy or an avatar for abstract qualities of honor and
service; he’s a symbol of destructive white resistance to the
opportunities of Reconstruction. If the white South had moved in
a direction that opposed Lee’s values—if it had embraced the
great potential that came with the end of slavery—we would have
a different, and likely better, America than the one we live in.
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/robert_e_lee_day_some_southern_states_still_celebrate_the_confe
derate_general.html
 
Jesse James
2019-01-22 23:11:23 UTC
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Happy Robert E. Lee Day!

CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN


SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL


A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE


C.S.A. ~ Jesse James
Big Nose Kate
2019-01-22 23:32:47 UTC
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Post by Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!

CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU

SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I

A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis

C.S.A. ~ Big Nose Kate
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2019-01-22 23:34:13 UTC
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Post by Big Nose Kate
Post by Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Big Nose Kate
are you having a happy day
Wyatt Earp
2019-01-22 23:36:45 UTC
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Post by Big Nose Kate
Post by Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Big Nose Kate
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!

CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU

SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I

A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis

C.S.A. ~ Wyatt Earp
Dinky Dalton
2019-01-22 23:46:55 UTC
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Post by Wyatt Earp
Post by Big Nose Kate
Post by Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Big Nose Kate
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Wyatt Earp
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!

CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU

SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I

A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis

C.S.A. ~ Dinky Dalton
Billy the Kid
2019-01-22 23:58:45 UTC
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Post by Dinky Dalton
Post by Wyatt Earp
Post by Big Nose Kate
Post by Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Big Nose Kate
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Wyatt Earp
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Dinky Dalton
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!!

CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU

SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I

A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis

C.S.A. ~ Billy the Kid
Hello Dolly
2019-01-23 02:52:28 UTC
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Post by Billy the Kid
Post by Dinky Dalton
Post by Wyatt Earp
Post by Big Nose Kate
Post by Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Big Nose Kate
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Wyatt Earp
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Dinky Dalton
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Billy the Kid
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!!!

CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU

SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I

A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis

C.S.A. ~ Hello Dolly
Doc Holliday
2019-01-23 03:28:31 UTC
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Post by Hello Dolly
Post by Billy the Kid
Post by Dinky Dalton
Post by Wyatt Earp
Post by Big Nose Kate
Post by Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Jesse James
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Big Nose Kate
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Wyatt Earp
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Dinky Dalton
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Billy the Kid
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ Hello Dolly
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!!!!

CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU

SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I

A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis

C.S.A. ~ Doc Holliday
John Wesley Hardin
2019-01-29 16:08:39 UTC
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Post by Ronny Koch
Every state celebrates Martin Luther King Jr. Day, but not every
state celebrates it the same way. In New Hampshire, King’s
birthday is “Martin Luther King Jr. Civil Rights Day,” an
explicit celebration of the entire civil rights movement (and a
compromise with lawmakers who didn’t want a day devoted to King
alone). In Idaho, it’s “Martin Luther King, Jr.–Idaho Human
Rights Day,” a celebration of justice writ large. And in three
states—Alabama, Arkansas, and Mississippi—MLK Day is also Robert
E. Lee Day.
This isn’t a different Robert E. Lee—some forgotten crusader for
human equality. No, this is the Gen. Robert E. Lee who led
Confederate armies in war against the United States, who
defended a nation built on the “great truth” that the “negro is
not equal to the white man,” and whose armies kidnapped and sold
free black Americans whenever they had the opportunity.
Despite his betrayal of the Union (a stark contrast to fellow
Virginian Winfield Scott, who refused to join the Confederacy)
and his treatment of enslaved black Americans—as a slavedriver,
he sold children and oversaw brutal punishments, including
sewing brine into the wounds of returned fugitives—Lee’s popular
image is of an honorable and decent man who fought well and
loathed slavery. (The former is debatable and the latter is
true, in that Lee thought slaveholding a burdensome occupation.)
Georgia, Florida, and Virginia. The difference is that their
celebrations are all separate from MLK Day, if only by a few
days: Virginia’s Robert E. Lee Day was this past Friday.
In fairness, Lee Day isn’t a recent invention. The general’s
birthday falls on Jan. 19, and the first official commemoration
was marked by the Virginia legislature in 1889, a decade after
the end of Reconstruction and well into the period of racial
regression, when Southern state legislatures dismantled efforts
at biracial education, imposed Jim Crow, and turned a blind eye
to anti-black terrorism. And in 1904, Robert E. Lee Day became
“Lee-Jackson Day” after Virginia added Confederate Gen. Thomas
“Stonewall” Jackson to the holiday.
All of this raises an obvious question: How did Lee get tangled
up in our national commemoration of Martin Luther King Jr. and
the civil rights movement? The best answer is convenience. In
states that commemorated Lee, lawmakers who approved of MLK Day
didn’t want to create two holidays in January. Instead, they
combined the two days. As a concept, it was a poor pairing. As a
bureaucratic solution, it worked.
But over the next two decades, under pressure from civil rights
groups, several states would either end their Lee commemorations
or move them to a different day. In 2000, pushed by Republican
Gov. Jim Gilmore, Virginia would end the state’s “Lee-Jackson-
King Day” and reserve the third Monday of January for the civil
rights leader.
It should be said that the “Lee” part of “Lee-King Day” is
mostly downplayed in states that have the holiday. Outside of a
few towns and counties, there aren’t any public events in honor
of Lee’s memory. The general, a symbol of the white South—or at
least, a version of it—exists in quiet tension with King, a
symbol of a more modern, integrated South. Still, it’s not hard
to find some commemoration of Lee, who continues to capture
Southern imaginations. “If the image of Lee changes in history,
the man himself did not, even in the face of the greatest
provocations,” writes Paul Greenberg for the Arkansas-Democrat
Gazette in its annual editorial on the life of Lee, “His
victories were great, but his honor greater.”
As a Virginian, I understand the drive to praise Lee. His honor
is an undeniable and worthy quality. But we shouldn’t forget
what Lee fought for. Not for freedom or for liberty, but for
perpetual bondage and a South that forever held its black
citizens as slaves and servants. And while Lee spent the post-
war period as an advocate for reconciliation, he also opposed
the nascent moves toward racial egalitarianism, condemning black
suffrage, even as many black leaders favored voting rights for
former Confederates and the education for their children.
Indeed, if anyone should want an end to official celebrations of
Lee and the Confederacy, it’s the white Southerners who hold on
to this memory. The general isn’t just a totem of the
Confederacy or an avatar for abstract qualities of honor and
service; he’s a symbol of destructive white resistance to the
opportunities of Reconstruction. If the white South had moved in
a direction that opposed Lee’s values—if it had embraced the
great potential that came with the end of slavery—we would have
a different, and likely better, America than the one we live in.
'
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/01
/robert_e_lee_day_some_southern_states_still_celebrate_the_confe
derate_general.html
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!!!!!

CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU

SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I

A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis

C.S.A. ~ John Wesley Hardin
Butch Cassidy
2019-01-29 16:35:43 UTC
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Post by John Wesley Hardin
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!!!!!
CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU
SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I
A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis
C.S.A. ~ John Wesley Hardin
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!!!!!!!!!

CONFEDERATE SONG THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN
http://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU

SO YOU ARE THE CLOUD, YOU RASCAL
http://youtu.be/prBXNwxjU4I

A GHOST OF GENERAL LEE
http://youtu.be/p-MX0PXDWis

C.S.A. ~ Butch Cassidy

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