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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
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2020-02-14 13:09:31 UTC
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB

Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.





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John Locke
2020-02-14 15:34:31 UTC
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense. Scriptural references, hearsay, wives tales,
so called "scholars", etc. etc. are not evidence of any reserection.
You've got an extraordinary claim...there needs to be extraordinary
verifiable, evidence to support that claim.
Don Martin
2020-02-14 16:35:47 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:34:31 -0800, John Locke
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense. Scriptural references, hearsay, wives tales,
so called "scholars", etc. etc. are not evidence of any reserection.
You've got an extraordinary claim...there needs to be extraordinary
verifiable, evidence to support that claim.
It is unlikely that any "college" founded by Jerry Falwell could have
a "Distinguished Professor." Extinguished Professor is about the
best it might do--someone to fill the Behe Chair of Sacred Fantasies.
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Christopher A. Lee
2020-02-14 16:45:55 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 11:35:47 -0500, Don Martin
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On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:34:31 -0800, John Locke
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
In other words, professor of bullshit rationalisation.
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and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
WHAT FUCKING "HISTORICAL EVIDENCE FOR WHAT FUCKING RESURRECTION,
imbecile? It's a frikking impossibility, yet you morons start off with
its presumption and then try to rationalise it - but you can't "prove"
parts of your mythology using the rest of it.
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Post by John Locke
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http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense. Scriptural references, hearsay, wives tales,
so called "scholars", etc. etc. are not evidence of any reserection.
You've got an extraordinary claim...there needs to be extraordinary
verifiable, evidence to support that claim.
Exactly.
Post by Don Martin
It is unlikely that any "college" founded by Jerry Falwell could have
a "Distinguished Professor." Extinguished Professor is about the
best it might do--someone to fill the Behe Chair of Sacred Fantasies.
The amazing thing is, just how many gullible idiots fall for this
bullshit.

But why does he have to keep wiping it in the faces of the more
intelligent and less gullible, who aren't interested in it anyway?
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 01:37:15 UTC
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Post by Don Martin
It is unlikely that any "college" founded by Jerry Falwell could have
a "Distinguished Professor." Extinguished Professor is about the
best it might do--someone to fill the Behe Chair of Sacred Fantasies.
And the chair was "left behind" when the former occupant of
the strip mall property that is currently the college
cleared out in a hurry: Blockbuster Video.
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Christopher A. Lee
2020-02-14 16:48:11 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:34:31 -0800, John Locke
Post by John Locke
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense. Scriptural references, hearsay, wives tales,
so called "scholars", etc. etc. are not evidence of any reserection.
You've got an extraordinary claim...there needs to be extraordinary
verifiable, evidence to support that claim.
These morons insist that impossibilities actually happened and start
from that presumption, instead of even trying to show why they weren't
impossible.

Because that's what it would take.
Andrew
2020-02-14 18:45:06 UTC
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense.
No, in fact we're_all_gonna be raised. That includes YOU,
John! Does that make you happy?

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all <----
that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come
forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of
life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of
damnation." ~ John 5:28-29

"It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the
judgment." ~ Hebrews 9:27

If things are right between you and Him, then there is
nothing to worry about. You may therefore...... relax.
Lucifer
2020-02-14 19:27:52 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 10:45:06 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense.
No, in fact we're_all_gonna be raised. That includes YOU,
John! Does that make you happy?
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all <----
that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come
forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of
life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of
damnation." ~ John 5:28-29
People in graves no longer exist.
Post by Andrew
"It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the
judgment." ~ Hebrews 9:27
Will the one who created us be judging us?
Post by Andrew
If things are right between you and Him, then there is
nothing to worry about. You may therefore...... relax.
If things are not right between us he will make it right.

The creator of everything is responsible for everything.
Andrew
2020-02-15 11:37:40 UTC
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense.
No, in fact we're_all_gonna be raised. That includes YOU,
John! Does that make you happy?
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all <----
that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come
forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of
life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of
damnation." ~ John 5:28-29
People in graves no longer exist.
That's like saying that if your computer disintegrates
in a fire, then it no longer exists. OK, but if you have
a back up disk you can be up and running with a new
machine. So the old one is now irrelevant. Does that
help? You see--> God has the back up disk for YOU.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
"It is appointed unto men once to die, but after
this the judgment." ~ Hebrews 9:27
Will the one who created us be judging us?
"The Father judges no one, but has committed all
judgment to the Son." ~ John 5:22
Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
If things are right between you and Him, then there is
nothing to worry about. You may therefore...... relax.
If things are not right between us he will make it right.
He has established the plan of salvation for us. He
took the punishment that you deserve upon Himself.

Which means that you may live and not die.
Post by Lucifer
The creator of everything is responsible for everything.
He gave us freedom to mess up big time. So~He~did it?
Melzzzzz
2020-02-15 12:03:52 UTC
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Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense.
No, in fact we're_all_gonna be raised. That includes YOU,
John! Does that make you happy?
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all <----
that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come
forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of
life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of
damnation." ~ John 5:28-29
People in graves no longer exist.
That's like saying that if your computer disintegrates
in a fire, then it no longer exists. OK, but if you have
a back up disk you can be up and running with a new
machine. So the old one is now irrelevant. Does that
help? You see--> God has the back up disk for YOU.
What God?
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
"It is appointed unto men once to die, but after
this the judgment." ~ Hebrews 9:27
Will the one who created us be judging us?
"The Father judges no one, but has committed all
judgment to the Son." ~ John 5:22
Sure, especially for aliens...
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Andrew
2020-02-15 12:30:11 UTC
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense.
No, in fact we're_all_gonna be raised. That includes YOU,
John! Does that make you happy?
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all <----
that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come
forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of
life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of
damnation." ~ John 5:28-29
People in graves no longer exist.
That's like saying that if your computer disintegrates
in a fire, then it no longer exists. OK, but if you have
a back up disk you can be up and running with a new
machine. So the old one is now irrelevant. Does that
help? You see--> God has the back up disk for YOU.
What God?
Which ones do you subscribe to?
Post by Melzzzzz
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
"It is appointed unto men once to die, but after
this the judgment." ~ Hebrews 9:27
Will the one who created us be judging us?
"The Father judges no one, but has committed all
judgment to the Son." ~ John 5:22
Sure, especially for aliens...
I do not subscribe to such nonsense.
Lucifer
2020-02-15 22:53:48 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 03:37:40 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
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Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense.
No, in fact we're_all_gonna be raised. That includes YOU,
John! Does that make you happy?
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all <----
that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come
forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of
life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of
damnation." ~ John 5:28-29
People in graves no longer exist.
That's like saying that if your computer disintegrates
in a fire, then it no longer exists. OK, but if you have
a back up disk you can be up and running with a new
machine. So the old one is now irrelevant. Does that
help? You see--> God has the back up disk for YOU.
Everything that makes "you" exists in your brain.
When brain activity ceases "you" cease to exist.
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
"It is appointed unto men once to die, but after
this the judgment." ~ Hebrews 9:27
Will the one who created us be judging us?
"The Father judges no one, but has committed all
judgment to the Son." ~ John 5:22
Do you think the Son will judge the Father?
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
If things are right between you and Him, then there is
nothing to worry about. You may therefore...... relax.
If things are not right between us he will make it right.
He has established the plan of salvation for us. He
took the punishment that you deserve upon Himself.
That doesn't make sense.
God will not punish us for being the way he made us.
Post by Andrew
Which means that you may live and not die.
The man made health system is what's keeping us alive.
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
The creator of everything is responsible for everything.
He gave us freedom to mess up big time. So~He~did it?
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
He~did it.

Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Andrew
2020-02-16 04:31:31 UTC
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God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.

His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.

"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27

Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
Peter Pan
2020-02-16 05:03:40 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
So that's why we see Jesus's disciples out slaying
infidels every day. Pity the unbelievers never die
naturally.
Lucifer
2020-02-16 09:09:01 UTC
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Post by Peter Pan
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
So that's why we see Jesus's disciples out slaying
infidels every day. Pity the unbelievers never die
naturally.
Why is Jesus creating enemies?
Peter Pan
2020-02-16 15:11:01 UTC
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Post by Peter Pan
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
So that's why we see Jesus's disciples out slaying
infidels every day. Pity the unbelievers never die
naturally.
Why is Jesus creating enemies?
It does seem unchristly, doesn't it. But -- and this may
come as a shock to you -- Andrew is lying again. Luke
19:27 is not Jesus giving instructions to his
executioners concerning me, but Jesus quoting the
nobleman in the Parable of the Talents... a fictional
character speaking.

Maybe Andrew really thinks there are xtian death squads
roaming the countryside, executing unbelievers
willy-nilly. He could be that ignorant... but, come on.
This is Andrew. Lying is what he does.
Andrew
2020-02-17 13:47:46 UTC
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Post by Peter Pan
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
So that's why we see Jesus's disciples out slaying
infidels every day. Pity the unbelievers never die
naturally.
No, this is referring to the_future_ Judgment.
So you still have a little more time to go here
in this realm.
Lucifer
2020-02-17 18:12:09 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 05:47:46 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
So that's why we see Jesus's disciples out slaying
infidels every day. Pity the unbelievers never die
naturally.
No, this is referring to the_future_ Judgment.
So you still have a little more time to go here
in this realm.
How convenient.
Andrew
2020-02-17 23:46:49 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
So that's why we see Jesus's disciples out slaying
infidels every day. Pity the unbelievers never die
naturally.
No, this is referring to the_future_ Judgment.
So you still have a little more time to go here
in this realm.
How convenient.
Agreed.
Peter Pan
2020-02-17 21:25:27 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Peter Pan
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
So that's why we see Jesus's disciples out slaying
infidels every day. Pity the unbelievers never die
naturally.
No, this is referring to the_future_ Judgment.
So you still have a little more time to go here
in this realm.
I'm afraid not, Andrew. It's just a parable.

There is no Judgment Day. There is no God sending
spokeskooks to the earth to troll atheists into
repentance.

How many unbelievers have you slain today?
Lucifer
2020-02-16 09:07:34 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:31:31 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
Happens to all of us.
Post by Andrew
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
That's pretty sick dude.
Post by Andrew
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
I hope you don't have access to children.
vallor
2020-02-18 22:28:04 UTC
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Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign over you.
He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
Not too long ago, finished a fascinating book that (among other ideas)
posits that the 4 Gospels of the New Testament could be satires,
especially when read in light of some of the writings of Josephus.

There certainly is a lot of absurdity going on in there, if you think
about it.
--
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"Fortunately, I hear from God about stuff." -"Michael Christ"
"The Allwise Creator hath been dishonored by being made the author of
fable, and the human mind degraded by believing it." -Thomas Paine
Andrew
2020-02-19 11:35:31 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
Not too long ago, finished a fascinating book that (among other ideas)
posits that the 4 Gospels of the New Testament could be satires,
especially when read in light of some of the writings of Josephus.
There certainly is a lot of absurdity going on in there, if you think
about it.
Yes, and here is the reason why you say that.

"People who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit.
It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those
who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:14
John Ritson
2020-02-19 19:53:09 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by vallor
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
Not too long ago, finished a fascinating book that (among other ideas)
posits that the 4 Gospels of the New Testament could be satires,
especially when read in light of some of the writings of Josephus.
There certainly is a lot of absurdity going on in there, if you think
about it.
Yes, and here is the reason why you say that.
"People who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit.
It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those
who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:14
Standard theist excuse, not even original with Christianity, possibly
copied from the older religion of Hinduism.
"The endeavoring transcendentalists who are situated in
self-realization can see all this clearly. But those whose minds are
not developed and who are not situated in self-realization cannot see
what is taking place, though they may try to." (Bhagavad Gita 15.11)
--
John Ritson
Lucifer
2020-02-19 21:02:30 UTC
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 03:35:31 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by vallor
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
Not too long ago, finished a fascinating book that (among other ideas)
posits that the 4 Gospels of the New Testament could be satires,
especially when read in light of some of the writings of Josephus.
There certainly is a lot of absurdity going on in there, if you think
about it.
Yes, and here is the reason why you say that.
"People who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit.
It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those
who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:14
Why is the most awesome force, our creator, unable or unwilling
to make his wishes known to all in an unambiguous and
non-threatening way?
Bob
2020-02-19 21:06:07 UTC
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Post by Lucifer
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 03:35:31 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by vallor
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
Not too long ago, finished a fascinating book that (among other ideas)
posits that the 4 Gospels of the New Testament could be satires,
especially when read in light of some of the writings of Josephus.
There certainly is a lot of absurdity going on in there, if you think
about it.
Yes, and here is the reason why you say that.
"People who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit.
It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those
who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:14
Why is the most awesome force, our creator, unable or unwilling
to make his wishes known to all in an unambiguous and
non-threatening way?
He will. In His own time, and in His own way. Not yours.

You got it?
Cloud Hobbit
2020-02-19 22:27:25 UTC
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Why is the most awesome force, our creator, unable or unwilling
to make his wishes known to all in an unambiguous and
non-threatening way?
He will. In His own time, and in His own way. Not yours.
Post by Lucifer
You got it?
That you believe it?
Sure.

Belief doesn't mean proof.
It doesn't even count as evidence.

Why didn't God choose to tell the world about what his law was? Why not write the bible himself instead of using intermediaries?

Omniscience on the fritz?

Since Christianity is in decline according to polling data, in economically well off countries it seems like the time has come for God to explain what he expects.

Yes, we've all heard about mysterious ways, but that's not really an explanation.

Of course your detailed explanations are so helpful but still not as informative as they could be.

YMMV
b***@gmail.com
2020-02-21 02:56:08 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Belief doesn't mean proof.
It doesn't even count as evidence.
Maybe not to you. But it does to born-again Christians.

"Faith shows the reality of what we hope for;
it is the evidence of things we cannot see."
[Hebrews 11:1]

You got it?

Now get used to it.
d***@cox.net
2020-02-20 18:16:49 UTC
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Post by Lucifer
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 03:35:31 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by vallor
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
Not too long ago, finished a fascinating book that (among other ideas)
posits that the 4 Gospels of the New Testament could be satires,
especially when read in light of some of the writings of Josephus.
There certainly is a lot of absurdity going on in there, if you think
about it.
Yes, and here is the reason why you say that.
"People who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit.
It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those
who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:14
Why is the most awesome force, our creator, unable or unwilling
to make his wishes known to all in an unambiguous and
non-threatening way?
He did. You stuck your fingers in your ears.
the dukester, American-American
Lucifer
2020-02-20 18:40:20 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 03:35:31 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by vallor
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
Not too long ago, finished a fascinating book that (among other ideas)
posits that the 4 Gospels of the New Testament could be satires,
especially when read in light of some of the writings of Josephus.
There certainly is a lot of absurdity going on in there, if you think
about it.
Yes, and here is the reason why you say that.
"People who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit.
It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those
who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:14
Why is the most awesome force, our creator, unable or unwilling
to make his wishes known to all in an unambiguous and
non-threatening way?
He did. You stuck your fingers in your ears.
Why is God so easily foiled?
Chariots of iron.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-02-24 22:55:54 UTC
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Post by Lucifer
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 03:35:31 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by vallor
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
Not too long ago, finished a fascinating book that (among other ideas)
posits that the 4 Gospels of the New Testament could be satires,
especially when read in light of some of the writings of Josephus.
There certainly is a lot of absurdity going on in there, if you think
about it.
Yes, and here is the reason why you say that.
"People who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit.
It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those
who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:14
Why is the most awesome force, our creator, unable or unwilling
to make his wishes known to all in an unambiguous and
non-threatening way?
He did. You stuck your fingers in your ears.
Why is God so easily foiled?
Chariots of iron.
He wasn't. You are.
the dukester, American-American
Lucifer
2020-02-24 23:19:22 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 03:35:31 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by vallor
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
Not too long ago, finished a fascinating book that (among other ideas)
posits that the 4 Gospels of the New Testament could be satires,
especially when read in light of some of the writings of Josephus.
There certainly is a lot of absurdity going on in there, if you think
about it.
Yes, and here is the reason why you say that.
"People who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit.
It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those
who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:14
Why is the most awesome force, our creator, unable or unwilling
to make his wishes known to all in an unambiguous and
non-threatening way?
He did. You stuck your fingers in your ears.
Why is God so easily foiled?
Chariots of iron.
He wasn't. You are.
Why did God make us so easily foiled?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
Lucifer
2020-02-25 22:06:35 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 03:35:31 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by vallor
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
Not too long ago, finished a fascinating book that (among other ideas)
posits that the 4 Gospels of the New Testament could be satires,
especially when read in light of some of the writings of Josephus.
There certainly is a lot of absurdity going on in there, if you think
about it.
Yes, and here is the reason why you say that.
"People who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit.
It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those
who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:14
Why is the most awesome force, our creator, unable or unwilling
to make his wishes known to all in an unambiguous and
non-threatening way?
He did. You stuck your fingers in your ears.
Why is God so easily foiled?
Chariots of iron.
He wasn't. You are.
Why did God make us so easily foiled?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
Christopher A. Lee
2020-02-24 23:40:40 UTC
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 05:40:20 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 03:35:31 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by vallor
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
You have freely made your decision that Jesus would not reign
over you. He does not force you, you are free; but you will die.
WHAT FUCKING "DECISION" was the in-your-face, personal liar lying
about?

And WHAT FUCKING JESUS outside
Post by Lucifer
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
Post by vallor
Post by Andrew
His [Jesus] instructions to His executioners concerning you.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that
I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay
them before me."
~ Luke 19:27
Thus your fate is hereby revealed to you, and to all of us.
Once again, the fucking moron quotes the Bible where it has no
authority.
Post by Lucifer
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
Post by vallor
Not too long ago, finished a fascinating book that (among other ideas)
posits that the 4 Gospels of the New Testament could be satires,
especially when read in light of some of the writings of Josephus.
There certainly is a lot of absurdity going on in there, if you think
about it.
Yes, and here is the reason why you say that.
Because it's transparent bullshit.

"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh"

-- Robert A. Heinlein

If they had the IQ to keep it where it belongs, nobody would laugh at
it - whether it's Christianity's virgin birth, Hinduism rebirth, or
any of the other mythologies.
Post by Lucifer
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
"People who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit.
It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those
who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:14
See what I mean, but the in-your-face, raving loonie is too stupid to
understand the obvious, because his religiously induced cognitive
dissonance blocks it out.
Post by Lucifer
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
Why is the most awesome force, our creator, unable or unwilling
to make his wishes known to all in an unambiguous and
non-threatening way?
He did. You stuck your fingers in your ears.
Another lying liar lies about those who don't fall for his deluded
fantasies.
Post by Lucifer
Why is God so easily foiled?
Chariots of iron.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
Before these liars bullshit about "the evidence" for physical and
other impossibilities, they have to both justify them and say how they
could have happened.

In other words, how there could even be evidence for things
functioning minds know couldn't have happened.

Face it, even they know that things like virgin births etc don't
happen - unless they had turkey basters a couple of thousand years
ago.

It all boils down to their putting the cart before the horse - they're
desperate for their mythology to be true, so they invent transparently
stupid rationalisations which they imagine are evidence for it -
rather than deriving it from any evidence.
Lucifer
2020-02-17 18:29:35 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 03:37:40 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
Post by b***@gmail.com
The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense.
No, in fact we're_all_gonna be raised. That includes YOU,
John! Does that make you happy?
"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all <----
that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come
forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of
life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of
damnation." ~ John 5:28-29
People in graves no longer exist.
That's like saying that if your computer disintegrates
in a fire, then it no longer exists. OK, but if you have
a back up disk you can be up and running with a new
machine. So the old one is now irrelevant. Does that
help? You see--> God has the back up disk for YOU.
Everything that makes "you" exists in your brain.
When brain activity ceases "you" cease to exist.
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
"It is appointed unto men once to die, but after
this the judgment." ~ Hebrews 9:27
Will the one who created us be judging us?
"The Father judges no one, but has committed all
judgment to the Son." ~ John 5:22
Do you think the Son will judge the Father?
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
Post by Andrew
If things are right between you and Him, then there is
nothing to worry about. You may therefore...... relax.
If things are not right between us he will make it right.
He has established the plan of salvation for us. He
took the punishment that you deserve upon Himself.
That doesn't make sense.
God will not punish us for being the way he made us.
Post by Andrew
Which means that you may live and not die.
The man made health system is what's keeping us alive.
Post by Andrew
Post by Lucifer
The creator of everything is responsible for everything.
He gave us freedom to mess up big time. So~He~did it?
God messed up when he gave us freedom to mess up big time.
He~did it.

Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Andrew
2020-02-14 18:45:39 UTC
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Post by John Locke
Post by b***@gmail.com
The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense.
Not at all.
Post by John Locke
Scriptural references, hearsay, wives tales, so called "scholars",
etc. etc. are not evidence of any reserection.
That is understandable, but there is more - a whole lot more.
Post by John Locke
You've got an extraordinary claim...there needs to be
extraordinary verifiable, evidence to support that
claim.
Yes, and an honest, unbiased individual will
search out that evidence and find the truth.

You may do so, or remain in darkness.
Lucifer
2020-02-14 19:29:35 UTC
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On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 10:45:39 -0800, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
Post by b***@gmail.com
The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
...absolute nonsense.
Not at all.
Post by John Locke
Scriptural references, hearsay, wives tales, so called "scholars",
etc. etc. are not evidence of any reserection.
That is understandable, but there is more - a whole lot more.
Post by John Locke
You've got an extraordinary claim...there needs to be
extraordinary verifiable, evidence to support that
claim.
Yes, and an honest, unbiased individual will
search out that evidence and find the truth.
You may do so, or remain in darkness.
There is no truth in Christianity.
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 01:43:13 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
The gospels aren't evidence, they're the claim. You gotta
keep your claims and your evidence separate.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-15 03:31:01 UTC
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Post by b***@gmail.com
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
The gospels aren't evidence, they're the claim.  You gotta keep your
claims and your evidence separate.
That's your opinion. That's all it ever will be.

New Testament scholars and skeptics have a much different opinion
than yours.

Even renowned skeptic Professor Bart D. Ehrman admits that he believes
the risen Jesus bodily appeared to many people after he was crucified.

Don't ever forget: When you're talking about the Bible, you will always
be wrong. Get used to it.

--
Sample comment from the Comments section:

Antonio Banderas-
One could tell from the comments that modern atheism is often based on a
lot of ignorance.
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-15 03:41:46 UTC
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Post by Bob
Don't ever forget: When you're talking about the Bible, you will always
be wrong. Get used to it.
Pot.

Kettle.

Black.



"God has never killed or murdered anyone."
Robert Duncan, Feb 2 2014
Siri Cruise
2020-02-15 05:49:52 UTC
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Post by Bob
That's your opinion.
If you really want to convince people, you have to start from
their opinions. Are you just here to talk to yourself, or are you
trying to convert readers?
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
The first law of discordiamism: The more energy This post / \
to make order is nore energy made into entropy. insults Islam. Mohammed
Peter Pan
2020-02-15 09:50:05 UTC
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Post by Bob
That's your opinion.
If you really want to convince people, you have to start from
their opinions. Are you just here to talk to yourself, or are you
trying to convert readers?
Annoying atheists and feuding with heretics is The LORD's
work.
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 12:56:00 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by b***@gmail.com
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
The gospels aren't evidence, they're the claim.  You gotta keep your claims
and your evidence separate.
That's your opinion. That's all it ever will be.
It's just my opinion that circular reasoning is not valid?
Okay, I'll accept that.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-15 13:04:19 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by b***@gmail.com
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
The gospels aren't evidence, they're the claim.  You gotta keep your
claims and your evidence separate.
That's your opinion. That's all it ever will be.
It's just my opinion that circular reasoning is not valid? Okay, I'll
accept that.
There is no "circular reasoning" where the Bible is concerned.

You believe there is because you have not been regenerated by the Holy
Spirit.

"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from
the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand
them because they are discerned only through the Spirit."
[1 Corinthians 2:14]
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 13:24:07 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
The gospels aren't evidence, they're the claim.  You gotta keep your
claims and your evidence separate.
That's your opinion. That's all it ever will be.
It's just my opinion that circular reasoning is not valid? Okay, I'll
accept that.
There is no "circular reasoning" where the Bible is concerned.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness" -- Inspired scripture
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-15 14:42:26 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by LinuxGal
The gospels aren't evidence, they're the claim. You gotta
keep your claims and your evidence separate.
That's your opinion. That's all it ever will be.
It's just my opinion that circular reasoning is not valid? Okay,
I'll accept that.
There is no "circular reasoning" where the Bible is concerned.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness" -- Inspired scripture
Once again, you post a non sequitur sentence without showing any reason
for writing it.

There is something terribly askew in your brain, in the way you think.
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 14:46:45 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by LinuxGal
The gospels aren't evidence, they're the claim. You gotta
keep your claims and your evidence separate.
That's your opinion. That's all it ever will be.
It's just my opinion that circular reasoning is not valid? Okay,
I'll accept that.
There is no "circular reasoning" where the Bible is concerned.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness" -- Inspired scripture
Once again, you post a non sequitur sentence without showing any reason
for writing it.
I have a keen appreciation of irony. Not everyone shares
this hobby, nor even perceives the occasions when irony is
made manifest.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-15 15:09:12 UTC
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Post by Bob
Once again, you post a non sequitur sentence without showing any reason
for writing it.
I have a keen appreciation of irony.  Not everyone shares this hobby,
nor even perceives the occasions when irony is made manifest.
And I have an acute awareness of when someone is bluffing, by pretending
to know something they know nothing about.
Peter Pan
2020-02-15 19:28:44 UTC
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Post by LinuxGal
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Post by LinuxGal
The gospels aren't evidence, they're the claim. You gotta
keep your claims and your evidence separate.
That's your opinion. That's all it ever will be.
It's just my opinion that circular reasoning is not valid? Okay,
I'll accept that.
There is no "circular reasoning" where the Bible is concerned.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness" -- Inspired scripture
Once again, you post a non sequitur sentence without showing any reason
for writing it.
I have a keen appreciation of irony. Not everyone shares
this hobby, nor even perceives the occasions when irony is
made manifest.
The ironyectomy is included in the regeneration process.
The Holy Spirit realizes the electee won't last a day
with it.
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 12:57:30 UTC
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Post by Bob
Even renowned skeptic Professor Bart D. Ehrman admits that he believes
the risen Jesus bodily appeared to many people after he was crucified.
I have the compleat works of Ehrman on my Kindle. Please
point me to the book and chapter where he "admits" that.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-15 14:25:46 UTC
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Post by Bob
Even renowned skeptic Professor Bart D. Ehrman admits that he believes
the risen Jesus bodily appeared to many people after he was crucified.
I have the compleat works of Ehrman on my Kindle.  Please point me to
the book and chapter where he "admits" that.
I did not say he wrote it down. I said that he admitted to believing it.
I do not know where, or to whom, he admitted it. It's in the video.

Skeptic Dale Allison also admits that Jesus appeared to his disciples
after the crucifixion.

It doesn't matter to me if you believe it or not. I was using your post
as a "sounding board" for the lurkers who may have been "listening in".

It's all here in the video somewhere:
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M

You have to go find it for yourself. I stopped spoon-feeding you lying
atheists a long time ago, after a co-worker reminded me not to "throw
your pearls before pigs".

In the Comments section you will find this:

"If no one had thought Jesus had been raised, he would have been lost in
the mists of Jewish antiquity and would be known today only as another
failed Jewish prophet. Prof. Bart D. Ehrman. book "HOW JESUS BECAME GOD:
pg 174".

It doesn't matter if you believe it or not. I'm not trying to change
your mind. That is something only God can do, IF He chooses to do so.
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 14:32:07 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Even renowned skeptic Professor Bart D. Ehrman admits that he believes
the risen Jesus bodily appeared to many people after he was crucified.
I have the compleat works of Ehrman on my Kindle.  Please point me to the
book and chapter where he "admits" that.
You have to go find it for yourself. I stopped spoon-feeding you lying
atheists a long time ago, after a co-worker reminded me not to "throw
your pearls before pigs".
That will be the last time I request supporting evidence
from you for anything you claim.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Bob
2020-02-15 15:13:12 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Even renowned skeptic Professor Bart D. Ehrman admits that he believes
the risen Jesus bodily appeared to many people after he was crucified.
I have the compleat works of Ehrman on my Kindle.  Please point me to
the book and chapter where he "admits" that.
You have to go find it for yourself. I stopped spoon-feeding you lying
atheists a long time ago, after a co-worker reminded me not to "throw
your pearls before pigs".
That will be the last time I request supporting evidence from you for
anything you claim.
I did support my claim. You just don't like putting forth the effort.
You want to be spoon-fed.

That's another reason why you will always be wrong.


<blink><blink>
<smirk>
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 16:08:01 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
Even renowned skeptic Professor Bart D. Ehrman admits that he believes
the risen Jesus bodily appeared to many people after he was crucified.
I have the compleat works of Ehrman on my Kindle.  Please point me to the
book and chapter where he "admits" that.
You have to go find it for yourself. I stopped spoon-feeding you lying
atheists a long time ago, after a co-worker reminded me not to "throw
your pearls before pigs".
That will be the last time I request supporting evidence from you for
anything you claim.
I did support my claim. You just don't like putting forth the effort.
You want to be spoon-fed.
You can't even support your claim that you supported your
claim.

"These are not historically reliable accounts. The authors
were not eye witnesses; they’re Greek-speaking Christians
living 35 to 65 years after the events they narrate. The
accounts that they narrate are based on oral traditions that
have been in circulation for decades. Year after year
Christians trying to convert others told them stories to
convince them that Jesus was raised from the dead. These
writers are telling stories, then, that Christians have been
telling all these years. Many stories were invented, and
most of the stories were changed. For that reason, these
accounts are not as useful as we would like them to be for
historical purposes. They’re not contemporary, they’re not
disinterested, and they’re not consistent." - Bart Ehrman,
from the transcript.

https://www.reasonablefaith.org/media/debates/is-there-historical-evidence-for-the-resurrection-of-jesus-the-craig-ehrman
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Bob
2020-02-15 17:51:21 UTC
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I did support my claim. You just don't like putting forth the effort.
You want to be spoon-fed.
You can't even support your claim that you supported your claim.
I already have. You must have missed it. It was too much like work.
"These are not historically reliable accounts. The authors were not eye
witnesses; they’re Greek-speaking Christians living 35 to 65 years after
the events they narrate. The accounts that they narrate are based on
oral traditions that have been in circulation for decades. Year after
year Christians trying to convert others told them stories to convince
them that Jesus was raised from the dead. These writers are telling
stories, then, that Christians have been telling all these years. Many
stories were invented, and most of the stories were changed. For that
reason, these accounts are not as useful as we would like them to be for
historical purposes. They’re not contemporary, they’re not
disinterested, and they’re not consistent."  - Bart Ehrman, from the
transcript.
https://www.reasonablefaith.org/media/debates/is-there-historical-evidence-for-the-resurrection-of-jesus-the-craig-ehrman
It's from a debate. You should include, from the transcript, William
Lane Craig's rebuttal. You left that out. The first part cannot be
accepted without the second part.

What is wrong with you? You're never right.
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 17:58:24 UTC
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I did support my claim. You just don't like putting forth the effort.
You want to be spoon-fed.
You can't even support your claim that you supported your claim.
I already have. You must have missed it. It was too much like work.
...For that reason, these
accounts are not as useful as we would like them to be for historical
purposes. They’re not contemporary, they’re not disinterested, and they’re
not consistent."  - Bart Ehrman, from the transcript.
https://www.reasonablefaith.org/media/debates/is-there-historical-evidence-for-the-resurrection-of-jesus-the-craig-ehrman
It's from a debate. You should include, from the transcript, William
Lane Craig's rebuttal. You left that out. The first part cannot be
accepted without the second part.
The question is whether Ehrman himself admitted the
Christians saw the risen Christ. I already know his debate
opponent believes that.
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Bob
2020-02-15 21:02:41 UTC
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It's from a debate. You should include, from the transcript, William
Lane Craig's rebuttal. You left that out. The first part cannot be
accepted without the second part.
The question is whether Ehrman himself admitted the Christians saw the
risen Christ.  I already know his debate opponent believes that.
That is not the reason for reviewing Craig's rebuttal. You never were on
a debate team, were you? Do you even know what "rebuttal" means?

Besides, there is more than one place to search for the answer.

The question is, "Why did you stop at that one?"

Did you even check page 174 of Ehrman's book "HOW JESUS BECAME GOD"?

The answer is obvious: you had already done enough work for one day, for
someone as lazy as you.
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 21:57:30 UTC
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Post by Bob
It's from a debate. You should include, from the transcript, William
Lane Craig's rebuttal. You left that out. The first part cannot be
accepted without the second part.
The question is whether Ehrman himself admitted the Christians saw the
risen Christ.  I already know his debate opponent believes that.
That is not the reason for reviewing Craig's rebuttal.
I'm not interested in Craig's rebuttal. I'm interested in
whether or not Ehrman, not Craig, admitted the early
Christians saw the risen Christ, as you claimed he did.
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Bob
2020-02-16 00:12:51 UTC
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Post by Bob
Post by Bob
It's from a debate. You should include, from the transcript, William
Lane Craig's rebuttal. You left that out. The first part cannot be
accepted without the second part.
The question is whether Ehrman himself admitted the Christians saw
the risen Christ.  I already know his debate opponent believes that.
That is not the reason for reviewing Craig's rebuttal.
I'm not interested in Craig's rebuttal.
But I am.

We'll stay right here until you post Craig's full rebuttal, taken from
the transcript.
LinuxGal
2020-02-16 00:52:34 UTC
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It's from a debate. You should include, from the transcript, William
Lane Craig's rebuttal. You left that out. The first part cannot be
accepted without the second part.
The question is whether Ehrman himself admitted the Christians saw the
risen Christ.  I already know his debate opponent believes that.
That is not the reason for reviewing Craig's rebuttal.
I'm not interested in Craig's rebuttal.
We'll stay right here until you post Craig's full rebuttal, taken from
the transcript.
You said Ehrman admitted the disciples of Jesus saw him
risen from death. That was a lie. Craig's rebuttal, full or
partial, is a red herring.
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Bob
2020-02-16 01:08:31 UTC
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You said Ehrman admitted the disciples of Jesus saw him risen from
death. That was a lie.  Craig's rebuttal, full or partial, is a red
herring.
That is nothing but your unsubstantiated opinion, that you will never
be able to prove is true.

I've given links to where you can see where you're wrong. But you
avoid taking them. That tells me that you know I'm right.

What you believe means absolutely nothing to me as long as I know
you're wrong.

As long as I know I'm right, that is all that matters to me.

Have a nice day.

You're welcome.

<smirk>
vallor
2020-02-18 22:36:26 UTC
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Post by LinuxGal
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Post by Bob
It's from a debate. You should include, from the transcript,
William Lane Craig's rebuttal. You left that out. The first part
cannot be accepted without the second part.
The question is whether Ehrman himself admitted the Christians saw
the risen Christ.  I already know his debate opponent believes that.
That is not the reason for reviewing Craig's rebuttal.
I'm not interested in Craig's rebuttal.
We'll stay right here until you post Craig's full rebuttal, taken from
the transcript.
You said Ehrman admitted the disciples of Jesus saw him risen from
death. That was a lie. Craig's rebuttal, full or partial, is a red
herring.
Yep, Bobbo lied again.

He's real consistent about that.
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fable, and the human mind degraded by believing it." -Thomas Paine
LinuxGal
2020-02-19 01:32:55 UTC
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Post by Bob
We'll stay right here until you post Craig's full rebuttal, taken from
the transcript.
You said Ehrman admitted the disciples of Jesus saw him risen from
death. That was a lie. Craig's rebuttal, full or partial, is a red
herring.
Yep, Bobbo lied again.
Color me surprised.
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Bob
2020-02-19 02:15:11 UTC
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Post by vallor
Post by Bob
We'll stay right here until you post Craig's full rebuttal, taken from
the transcript.
You said Ehrman admitted the disciples of Jesus saw him risen from
death. That was a lie.  Craig's rebuttal, full or partial, is a red
herring.
Yep, Bobbo lied again.
Color me surprised.
Yep, unregenerate reprobates can only express unsubstantiated opinions,
and consider them as true for no other reason other than they said it
was true.

That's your problem, not mine.
Christopher A. Lee
2020-02-19 11:37:16 UTC
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Post by Bob
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Post by Bob
It's from a debate. You should include, from the transcript,
William Lane Craig's rebuttal. You left that out. The first part
cannot be accepted without the second part.
The question is whether Ehrman himself admitted the Christians saw
the risen Christ.  I already know his debate opponent believes that.
That is not the reason for reviewing Craig's rebuttal.
I'm not interested in Craig's rebuttal.
We'll stay right here until you post Craig's full rebuttal, taken from
the transcript.
You said Ehrman admitted the disciples of Jesus saw him risen from
death. That was a lie. Craig's rebuttal, full or partial, is a red
herring.
Yep, Bobbo lied again.
He's real consistent about that.
These morons always start from the presumption that physical and other
impossibilities actually happened, and try to support it with all
sorts of fallacies - never once addressing why anybody with more than
half a brain knows why they didn't.

And Mad Joe pretends he doesn't understand how religion makes people
stupid.
Ted
2020-02-16 10:00:02 UTC
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Post by Bob
I did support my claim. You just don't like putting forth the effort.
You want to be spoon-fed.
You can't even support your claim that you supported your claim.
I already have. You must have missed it. It was too much like work.
...For that reason, these
accounts are not as useful as we would like them to be for
historical
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purposes. Theyre not contemporary, theyre not disinter=
ested, and theyre
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not consistent."  - Bart Ehrman, from the transcript.
https://www.reasonablefaith.org/media/debates/is-there-historical-evide
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ce-for-the-resurrection-of-jesus-the-craig-ehrman
Post by Bob
It's from a debate. You should include, from the transcript,
William
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Lane Craig's rebuttal. You left that out. The first part cannot be
accepted without the second part.
The question is whether Ehrman himself admitted the
Christians saw the risen Christ. I already know his debate
opponent believes that.
Of course Ehrman never said that. Does this lying christer filth
claim he did?
LinuxGal
2020-02-16 11:55:22 UTC
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The question is whether Ehrman himself admitted the Christians saw the
risen Christ. I already know his debate opponent believes that.
Of course Ehrman never said that. Does this lying christer filth claim he
did?
Yes.

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Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of
Apologetics and Philosophy and chairman,
Department of Philosophy and Theology, at
Liberty University, explores the historical
evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of
Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
The gospels aren't evidence, they're the claim. You
gotta keep your claims and your evidence separate.
That's your opinion. That's all it ever will be.

New Testament scholars and skeptics have a much different
opinion than yours.

Even renowned skeptic Professor Bart D. Ehrman admits that
he believes the risen Jesus bodily appeared to many people
after he was crucified.
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Cloud Hobbit
2020-02-15 21:21:56 UTC
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Ehrman's blog does not agree that there was a resurrection.

https://ehrmanblog.org/one-scholars-take-on-the-resurrection-of-jesus-a-blast-from-the-past/
Andrew
2020-02-15 22:09:03 UTC
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Ehrman's blog does not agree that there was a resurrection.
Did you know that it's gonna happen to you? Oh
yes! Just as surely as you were born, and you will
die..----> you are gonna come UP^^^^

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the
which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
And shall come forth; they that have done good,
unto the resurrection of life; and they that have
done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
~ Jesus
Harry Krishna
2020-02-18 15:44:40 UTC
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
Calling anyone on the faculty of Liberty University a Scholar is beyond risible. Go away, twit.
C***@deathtochristianity.pl
2020-03-26 15:54:20 UTC
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The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars
by Gary Habermas at UCSB
Gary Habermas is the Distinguished Professor of Apologetics and Philosophy
and chairman, Department of Philosophy and Theology, at Liberty University,
explores the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.
http://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M
"I don't believe unicorns exist, but I don't spend my whole life hating them."
Uhh yeah the thing about unicorns is they have never gone out and
purposefully murdered innocent people for not believing in them or had
violent cults built up around them to murder people that chose to not
believe in them. Unicorns never threaten people because they did not
give up their hard earned money to support those that started the
violent cults that did believe (or at least said) in them.

So next time you want to make up some dumb ass quote make sure you are
intelligent enough so that an atheist will not put you down without
even breaking a sweat.
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