On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:44:59 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman Post by P+Barker
On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 20:35:52 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman Post by P+Barker Post by Mitchell Holman
2 Samuel 24:15
2 Kings 1:10-12
2 Kings 19:35
2 Kings 2:23-24
OK. Do you have a point?
If it is wrong to kill people
then why does your god do it so
Just because you read something in a book discussing something from
7000 years ago, this certainly does not make it a fact.
Is that they Catholic Church outlawed
the reading or even translating the Bible?
Because it is so pack with nonsense even
the Priests could not make sense of it?
The Roman Catholic Church has NEVER outlawed the reading of the Bible.
It certainly has been wary of jerk-offs like robert and mikey when
they attempt to translate the meaning of the bible to favor their
The Council of Nicaea called by the Emperor Constantine met in 325
C.E. to establish a unified Catholic Church. At that point no
universally sanctioned Scriptures or Christian Bible existed. Various
churches and officials adopted different texts and gospels. Thats
why the Council of Hippo sanctioned 27 books for the New Testament in
393 C.E. Four years later the Council of Cartage confirmed the same 27
books as the authoritative Scriptures of the Church.
The word Jew appears 202 times in the New Testament, with 82 of
these citations in the Gospels. The term Christian never appears in
the Gospels at all, for the obvious reason that there was no
Christianity during the life of Jesus only Judaism, in which he and
his family, disciples and followers were immersed. Readers of the
Gospels might also have noted that when Jesus wasnt addressing the
multitudes (of Jews) he was teaching in synagogues and was attending
Jewish holy day celebrations. And his disciples called him rabbi.
When Cardinal Dolan returned from the Vatican after his elevation to
cardinal in 2012, he appeared on the popular TV show The View.
Barbara Walters, one of the hosts, playfully said to the affable
Cardinal, Im crazy about you. Im thinking of converting. Do you
take Jewish girls? Dolan responded, My favorite girl of all time
was Jewish. Who is that? Walters asked with a surprised look.
Mary Cardinal Dolan answered softly. His casual remark suggests that
the celebration of common ground can trump doctrinal differences.
There are two major points that the objectors get right: namely, that
Bibles before the Reformation were typically in Latin, and that most
ordinary people didnt have access to Bibles. But there are obvious
reasons for this. First, for most of the history prior to the
Reformation, the written language for /virtually everything was Latin,
and reading and writing in Latin was taught in school. For much of
that time, it was also the language commonly spoken by ordinary
In the ancient world, it wasnt unusual to speak one language, and
write in another. For Protestants to criticize this is to betray a
lack of historical understanding, and to attack the Evangelists.
Remember that at the time of Christ, there were a wide variety of
spoken languages throughout the Roman Empire, as Acts 2:5-8 makes
clear. Yet the New Testament was written in Greek, not each local
vernacular. Why? Because Greek was the standard written language. If
you were literate, there was a good chance that, regardless of what
you spoke, you read Greek.
By the fourth century, the standard written language in the West was
Latin. This was also the language that most Westerners spoke. To
respond to this shift, Pope Damasus ordered the Bible to be translated
from the now-inaccessible Greek into more accessible Latin. As a
result, this Bible became known as the Vulgate, because it was
designed to reach the vulgar (common) people.
In other words, the Bible wasnt in Latin to be inaccessible, but so
that any literate Western European could read it. Even as Latin
gradually devolved into French, Spanish, Italian, and Portuguese,
Latin remained the standard language for writing. That the Bible was
in Latin rather than the local dialects is no more surprising than
that modern Protestants prefer the King James Bible over a Bible
written in, say, a southern dialect or Ebonics or Australian.
Latin also ensured that you could reach people who didnt speak your
local dialect. Having Latin as the standard language meant, for
example, that St. Thomas Aquinas (an Italian) could learn under St.
Albert the Great (a German) at the University of Paris, in France. The
universality of Latin is also why many of the most famous writings of
the Reformers, like John Calvins Institutes of Christian Religion,
were written in Latin.
They quickly discovered that, not only did these people not speak
Greek or Latin, but they didnt even have a written language. So Cyril
and Methodius invented an entire alphabet for them, called the
Glagolitic alphabet. They did this so that they could have a written
language, and so that they could receive the Scriptures. A descendant
of that alphabet, fittingly called called Cyrillic in honor of St.
Cyril, is used by a quarter-billion Eastern Europeans and Russians to
this day. Does that sound like a Church that hates Scripture, and
wants to keep it out of the hands of ordinary people?
Most People Didnt Have Bibles Because of Technology, Not Conspiracy.
Do you have any idea why there is so much religious art, and stained
glass winows in churches. People could not read, but they could
relate to pictures and art.
The Scriptures must be understood in the light of Sacred Tradition. If
that anchor is missing, the interpretation will be false. Take mikey,
mitch, and robt for example. Too stupid to ever get it right.