Discussion:
An utter disgrace.
(too old to reply)
Robert
2020-02-12 06:40:42 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 14:12:37 +1100, Lucifer
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:41:39 +1100, Lucifer
I am stating that you can only see with a limited understanding, for a
couple of reasons. First being that you need the Holy Spirit to read
with and depth of understanding, and even then in ones studies there
are deeper depths of understandings the more one walks with Christ.
Two, outside of Christ those people, especially when in shoes like
your have spiritual blinders on, that narrow your field of vision, and
were put on you by the god of this earth whose name you wish to be
known as.
I see what you are saying but I think you are deceived. If you need
to be in a certain state to understand something that something is
poorly written. I would expect a creator God to inspire text that
could be understood by all humans. You see the result of different
interpretations. Different religions. Different sects within the
religions. Wars between different religious groups.
Even on these newsgroups we have theists claiming only they
have the right interpretation and every other theist is destined
for hell.
What I see in the bible is a God that makes stupid mistakes.
The bible describes a bizarre way to test for a women's
faithfulness and the proper way to kill a turtledove but it doesn't
describe the use of electricity of the use of life save medications.
We have had to discover those things for ourselves.
God has all the worst human failings. Theists use the name of God
to threaten us if we don't tow the party line.
Religion is a curse, a blight on humanity. We could have achieved
so much more if we were not held back by religion.
With all your thought you leave out what is vital info, that being
Satan. How he fits into things, the ongoing was between him and the
believers and so as a result you do not see the full cause and effect
of Satan destruction on your thinking, rational. and understanding,
and neither do most people as they have grown up with him and are used
to thinking like he does, since he has fed the human with thoughts
continuously. So much so that we begin thinking that was our own
original thinking and do not even think that the thought came from
outside ourselves. As in temptations, murders, stealing from a store,
etc. etc.
Does my thinking that God could have and should have made his
word known to all in an unambiguous way, and should ensure
everyone has sufficient food and clean water, and should give
all women reproductive rights, and should speak against slavery,
and should prevent disease, come from Satan?
If so then Satan is the good guy.
You're his kind of guy, gullible.
Satan gives the diseases made from good things that he corrupted. God
heals them. But you don't see that so you "think" God is inadequate
because you were fooled.

God created clean air, water, and MORE than sufficient food, Satan
degraded it all, had the right to since Adam gave him the authority.
Yet look at your short sightedness. AYUP, your his man.
Something you should consider understanding and the interactions with
men.
I would like to know why God created Satan and gave him his
personality. I don't want to hear the usual story that God didn't
know what he was doing when he created Satan.
Satan/Lucifer was the highest and most beautiful angel of all . All
the angels did his bidding, Do you know the story or not?

Here is the story of ungodly man, the atheist, those opposed to God.
Read it all. It fits all men, so they are all without excuse.

Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness, 
Rom 1:19  because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for
God has shown it to them. 
Rom 1:20  For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes
are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even
His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 
Rom 1:21  because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as
God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their
foolish hearts were darkened. 
Rom 1:22  Professing to be wise, they became fools, 
Rom 1:23  and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image
made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and
creeping things. 
Rom 1:24  Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts
of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 
Rom 1:25  who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped
and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed
forever. Amen. 
Rom 1:26  For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even
their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 
Rom 1:27  Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is
shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which
was due. 
Rom 1:28  And even as they did not like to retain God in their
knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things
which are not fitting; 
Rom 1:29  being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,
wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife,
deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 
Rom 1:30  backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters,
inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
Rom 1:31  undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,
unmerciful; 
Rom 1:32  who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who
practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but
also approve of those who practice them. 
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Robert
2020-02-12 06:47:23 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 14:21:00 +1100, Lucifer
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:01:13 +1100, Lucifer
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:55:11 +1100, Lucifer
I know you think I'm an uppity atheist without the right training to
understand God and the bible, but I think that's to my advantage.
Your "theological training" forces you to interpret the bible and God
in a good light where I am free to see what the bible actually says
and how it compares to what we actually experience.
I never ever though of you in those terms.
But you do think I am wrong because I don't see the magical world
the way you do?
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness, 
Rom 1:19  because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for
God has shown it to them. 
Rom 1:20  For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes
are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even
His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 
Rom 1:21  because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as
God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their
foolish hearts were darkened. 
Rom 1:22  Professing to be wise, they became fools, 
Rom 1:23  and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image
made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and
creeping things. 
Rom 1:24  Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts
of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 
Could you explain what each of those passages means to you?
I thought they were pretty self explanatory myself, but if I spend the
time breaking it down for you will it make any difference? Will you
then remember what I said and not try word games regarding it?
As for me, I have learned via the word of God, by His Spirit, and
evidenced by my life experiences with him in actually living put into
practice as well as looking back over my life when I stop and pause at
times to reflect. In looking back I see his hand in and on my life
even more clearly, as does my wife.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Have I offended you by asking that question?
What question? In any event no, no offense taken as I understand that
you are opposed to God and consider yourself wise.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-12 08:39:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 14:21:00 +1100, Lucifer
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:01:13 +1100, Lucifer
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:55:11 +1100, Lucifer
I know you think I'm an uppity atheist without the right training to
understand God and the bible, but I think that's to my advantage.
Your "theological training" forces you to interpret the bible and God
in a good light where I am free to see what the bible actually says
and how it compares to what we actually experience.
I never ever though of you in those terms.
But you do think I am wrong because I don't see the magical world
the way you do?
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness, 
Rom 1:19  because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for
God has shown it to them. 
Rom 1:20  For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes
are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even
His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 
Rom 1:21  because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as
God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their
foolish hearts were darkened. 
Rom 1:22  Professing to be wise, they became fools, 
Rom 1:23  and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image
made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and
creeping things. 
Rom 1:24  Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts
of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 
Could you explain what each of those passages means to you?
I thought they were pretty self explanatory myself, but if I spend the
time breaking it down for you will it make any difference? Will you
then remember what I said and not try word games regarding it?
Those are fair questions. It's probably not worth the effort for you
to tell me what each item means to you but perhaps you could
explain why you think God is good.
Post by Robert
As for me, I have learned via the word of God, by His Spirit, and
evidenced by my life experiences with him in actually living put into
practice as well as looking back over my life when I stop and pause at
times to reflect. In looking back I see his hand in and on my life
even more clearly, as does my wife.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Have I offended you by asking that question?
What question?
The one directly above which reads;
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Post by Robert
In any event no, no offense taken as I understand that
you are opposed to God and consider yourself wise.
I may appear wise because I am untainted by religious programming.
I can listen to news reports so I know there are many places in the
world where life is not good. I observe that God has not acted to
correct those situations.

Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?

BTW, you can tell when something is a question by the ? at the end.
Robert
2020-02-12 06:53:36 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 21:12:44 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:41:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sun, 09 Feb 2020 08:28:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:54:10 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 08:23:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:26:30 +1100, Lucifer
I said nothing about its ok to kill a slave.
You did when you said your morality agrees with that of God.
In his bible God says it's OK to keep slaves and for the master
to kill a slave as long as he does it properly.
Prove it.
Beating a slave to death is just fine as
long as she lingers for a day or two before
expiring.
See my reply to Lucifer. There is no proper way to kill a slave.
The passage speaks for itself. Slaves are
property, the owner can treat them as harshly
as he wants.
Even Roman slaves could make money on the
side and eventually buy their freedom, I see
nothing in the Bible permitting even that.
There is a lot more said about this in other passages of scripture.
There were distinctions made like you said, and freedom could be
purchased and granted.
I know of no passage that describes a
Hebrew slave buying their freedom.
In regards to this one passage it is obvious
about the class of slave it is and was. Yes, they were property,
and
had you read a bit more you would have seen there was limitations
to
their actions, and certain actions required that they be set free
without payment for their lives.
Now, let me ask you, if you had a slave who was beholden to you and
it
started acting belligerent and unresponsive what would you have
done,
told them to sit awhile and think about it? Look at the obstinate
people here and what it would take to make them behave responsibly
and
with respect. Some people just take it upon themselves to be as
irritable as possible and like a child deserve more than simple
admonishment.
If beating slaves to death were not a
common occurance they would not have made
laws requlating the practice.
Law was made to preclude the event. Not after the fact as is the way
of man. This was worked out by God and man at the beginning of the
time of Israel in the desert. Leviticus makes it clearer.
PS: The whole idea that leering at your
neighbors wife is sin but buying her daughter
and beating her to death is not is repugnant.
Don't you agree?
That would be repugnant to do to any woman. However, the way you
it makes it seem that someone would by a girl just to beat to death
like some of those porn flicks say they do.
There is no logic in the things that
are banned and the things permitted.
Then perhaps you have no or very little historic understanding of
life.
Killing pregnant women is OK but
leering at your neighbor's wife is
not. Odd idea of morality, that.
Where do you see that? I see a life for a life, and that is par for
the course, an eye for an eye, etc. and I remember it mentioning a
pregnant lady losing her child as a result of getting hurt because she
attempted to help her husband in a conflict, but not the killing of
anything being ok for other than self defense or in war.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-12 13:39:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 21:12:44 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:41:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sun, 09 Feb 2020 08:28:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:54:10 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 08:23:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:26:30 +1100, Lucifer
I said nothing about its ok to kill a slave.
You did when you said your morality agrees with that of God.
In his bible God says it's OK to keep slaves and for the
master
to kill a slave as long as he does it properly.
Prove it.
Beating a slave to death is just fine as
long as she lingers for a day or two before
expiring.
See my reply to Lucifer. There is no proper way to kill a slave.
The passage speaks for itself. Slaves are
property, the owner can treat them as harshly
as he wants.
Even Roman slaves could make money on the
side and eventually buy their freedom, I see
nothing in the Bible permitting even that.
There is a lot more said about this in other passages of
scripture.
There were distinctions made like you said, and freedom could be
purchased and granted.
I know of no passage that describes a
Hebrew slave buying their freedom.
In regards to this one passage it is obvious
about the class of slave it is and was. Yes, they were property,
and
had you read a bit more you would have seen there was limitations
to
their actions, and certain actions required that they be set free
without payment for their lives.
Now, let me ask you, if you had a slave who was beholden to you
and
it
started acting belligerent and unresponsive what would you have
done,
told them to sit awhile and think about it? Look at the obstinate
people here and what it would take to make them behave
responsibly
Post by Robert
and
with respect. Some people just take it upon themselves to be as
irritable as possible and like a child deserve more than simple
admonishment.
If beating slaves to death were not a
common occurance they would not have made
laws requlating the practice.
Law was made to preclude the event. Not after the fact as is the way
of man. This was worked out by God and man at the beginning of the
time of Israel in the desert. Leviticus makes it clearer.
PS: The whole idea that leering at your
neighbors wife is sin but buying her daughter
and beating her to death is not is repugnant.
Don't you agree?
That would be repugnant to do to any woman. However, the way you
it makes it seem that someone would by a girl just to beat to death
like some of those porn flicks say they do.
There is no logic in the things that
are banned and the things permitted.
Then perhaps you have no or very little historic understanding of
life.
Killing pregnant women is OK but
leering at your neighbor's wife is
not. Odd idea of morality, that.
Where do you see that?
"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword; their little ones
will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant
women ripped open."
Hosea 13:16



"Everyone who is captured will be thrust
through; all who are caught will fall by the
sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces
before their eyes; their wives will be ravished."
IS 13:15



'I will punish the Amalekites for what
they did to Israel when they waylaid them as
they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the
Amalekites and totally destroy everything
that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put
to death men and women, children and infants,
cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."
1 Samuel 15



"And the LORD our God delivered him before
us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all
his people. And we took all his cities at
that time, and utterly destroyed the men,
and the women, and the little ones, of every
city, we left none to remain"
Deuteronomy 2:33-34


Add to that the certainty that pregnant women
were killed in the destruction of Sodom and
Gonorrah, and many more killed in Ye Floode.
Robert
2020-02-15 20:14:46 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:39:29 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 21:12:44 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:41:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sun, 09 Feb 2020 08:28:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:54:10 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 08:23:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:26:30 +1100, Lucifer
I said nothing about its ok to kill a slave.
You did when you said your morality agrees with that of God.
In his bible God says it's OK to keep slaves and for the
master
to kill a slave as long as he does it properly.
Prove it.
Beating a slave to death is just fine as
long as she lingers for a day or two before
expiring.
See my reply to Lucifer. There is no proper way to kill a
slave.
Post by Robert
The passage speaks for itself. Slaves are
property, the owner can treat them as harshly
as he wants.
Even Roman slaves could make money on the
side and eventually buy their freedom, I see
nothing in the Bible permitting even that.
There is a lot more said about this in other passages of
scripture.
There were distinctions made like you said, and freedom could be
purchased and granted.
I know of no passage that describes a
Hebrew slave buying their freedom.
In regards to this one passage it is obvious
about the class of slave it is and was. Yes, they were property,
and
had you read a bit more you would have seen there was limitations
to
their actions, and certain actions required that they be set free
without payment for their lives.
Now, let me ask you, if you had a slave who was beholden to you
and
it
started acting belligerent and unresponsive what would you have
done,
told them to sit awhile and think about it? Look at the obstinate
people here and what it would take to make them behave
responsibly
Post by Robert
and
with respect. Some people just take it upon themselves to be as
irritable as possible and like a child deserve more than simple
admonishment.
If beating slaves to death were not a
common occurance they would not have made
laws requlating the practice.
Law was made to preclude the event. Not after the fact as is the
way
Post by Robert
of man. This was worked out by God and man at the beginning of the
time of Israel in the desert. Leviticus makes it clearer.
PS: The whole idea that leering at your
neighbors wife is sin but buying her daughter
and beating her to death is not is repugnant.
Don't you agree?
That would be repugnant to do to any woman. However, the way you
it makes it seem that someone would by a girl just to beat to death
like some of those porn flicks say they do.
There is no logic in the things that
are banned and the things permitted.
Then perhaps you have no or very little historic understanding of
life.
Killing pregnant women is OK but
leering at your neighbor's wife is
not. Odd idea of morality, that.
Where do you see that?
Well Mitchell, Interesting points you brought up here, Many use
verses like these as reasoning's to dislike God. Most have never read
the bible with the purposes of understanding God,

Man has lived in various dispensations, like law, and grace. Each has
had their covenants either between man and God, or direct from God to
man wherein he promises something and therefore the fulfillment of
those promises is solely that of God's without any dependence on the
work of men.

In all these cases provided below all were under the Covenant of Law.
This brackets or wraps around the period of Grace and focus on the
Gentile from the resurrection of Christ until the resurrection of the
Saints directly preceding the Great Tribulation which Jesus spoke of.

The reason it wraps around is because of the prophecy of Daniel
regarding the 70 weeks of years. 69 weeks of years were finished with
the Crucifixion of Christ at the time of the Passover feast. One week
remains and was essentially put on hold.

Under Christ we have all been living in a time of Grace, and so
effective was and is the Gospel of Christ that it became the norm for
all of civilization as God was no longer openly punishing Nations and
Peoples for their sinful activities. (Yes, in spite of those religious
folks who claim hurricanes and earthquakes are God's judgment on the
sins of peoples and or nations.) Jesus said that he did not come here
to condemn.

We are not under the Mosaic Law, which, BTW, only applied to the
cosigners of the Old Covenant, meaning God and the Jews. Gentiles were
never under the law, and Paul writes about that in his works.

I know many religions hammer us all as if we were under the Law and
not under the New Covenant, but they are a self righteous lot who
determine that we all must "work" to earn our salvation. Which keeps
us under bondage, bondage that Christ died to set us free from.

Ok, so what does this have to do with the verses you bring up?

They all speak of the Jew under the Mosaic Law Covenant. With its
blessings and its Curses. Yes, Curses, all known about, had been
explained to all the people before it was voted on and accepted as
their lot in life.
"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword; their little ones
will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant
women ripped open."
Hosea 13:16
Here are the Israelites bearing their guilt as a people according to
the curses of the Law. Bearing what they agreed to accept.
"Everyone who is captured will be thrust
through; all who are caught will fall by the
sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces
before their eyes; their wives will be ravished."
IS 13:15
Here are the Israelites in time future, during the time of the Great
Tribulation under the time period known as the Day of the Lord. His
wrath being poured out on them during the last week of years of
Daniel's prophecy. Again this they bare for their evil and also for
accepting satan as the anti-Christ to sit on the throne in the new
temple in Jerusalem, where they unwisely accept the anti-Christ as
being their Messiah. This after much speaking about the false prophets
by two prophets of God plus the 144,000 Jewish young men who rise up
to follow Christ at that time. Who will witness for the Lord until the
death of the last of them. These will have a special place in heaven.
The Jews at that time will be living under the Mosaic Covenant and yet
can be set free from the Covenant if they believe on the Lord Jesus
Christ. They will have the Blessings and the Curses as their rewards
in this life.
'I will punish the Amalekites for what
they did to Israel when they waylaid them as
they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the
Amalekites and totally destroy everything
that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put
to death men and women, children and infants,
cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."
1 Samuel 15
Again. OT times under LAW. The Amalekites were warned about Israel and
the God of Israel by Balaam and here they suffer because of their sins
against Israel. This still in the period of immediate legal justice.
"And the LORD our God delivered him before
us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all
his people. And we took all his cities at
that time, and utterly destroyed the men,
and the women, and the little ones, of every
city, we left none to remain"
Deuteronomy 2:33-34
Deu 2:32  Then Sihon and all his people came out against us to fight
at Jahaz. 
So while God said to go ahead and fight them, they didn't walk in
announced. They did do what was common in that day to ensure no
fallout retribution. And also because their time was up as God said
that he would let them live for 400 years until their sin became so
bad that they should be destroyed.
Add to that the certainty that pregnant women
were killed in the destruction of Sodom and
Gonorrah, and many more killed in Ye Floode.
Yes, and the whole Flood event grieved God's heart greatly and he
sorrowed. They all had multiple warnings of the impending doom by the
prophets of their day, and had he not destroyed them all there may not
have been any virgins left through which Christ could be born and thus
save many. God was down to Noah and his sons. Not all of his sons were
as committed as Noah, since as we know one of his sons sodomized Noah.

In each of the verses you brought up, all were under the Law Covenant,
not Grace. The last example you gave was the tale end of the period of
Grace albeit without the Holy Spirit in peoples lives, like as is
possible today if one is Born Again. The only curses on them was that
which was given to Adam. The Life for a life law was not given until
Noah and then not until after the Flood.

I hope this brings some understanding to you and those who read this.
I know I did not cover it to its fullest extent, but I hope it is
enough for this time.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-15 23:19:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:39:29 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 21:12:44 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:41:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sun, 09 Feb 2020 08:28:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:54:10 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 08:23:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:26:30 +1100, Lucifer
I said nothing about its ok to kill a slave.
You did when you said your morality agrees with that of God.
In his bible God says it's OK to keep slaves and for the
master
to kill a slave as long as he does it properly.
Prove it.
Beating a slave to death is just fine as
long as she lingers for a day or two before
expiring.
See my reply to Lucifer. There is no proper way to kill a
slave.
Post by Robert
The passage speaks for itself. Slaves are
property, the owner can treat them as harshly
as he wants.
Even Roman slaves could make money on the
side and eventually buy their freedom, I see
nothing in the Bible permitting even that.
There is a lot more said about this in other passages of
scripture.
There were distinctions made like you said, and freedom could be
purchased and granted.
I know of no passage that describes a
Hebrew slave buying their freedom.
In regards to this one passage it is obvious
about the class of slave it is and was. Yes, they were property,
and
had you read a bit more you would have seen there was limitations
to
their actions, and certain actions required that they be set free
without payment for their lives.
Now, let me ask you, if you had a slave who was beholden to you
and
it
started acting belligerent and unresponsive what would you have
done,
told them to sit awhile and think about it? Look at the obstinate
people here and what it would take to make them behave
responsibly
Post by Robert
and
with respect. Some people just take it upon themselves to be as
irritable as possible and like a child deserve more than simple
admonishment.
If beating slaves to death were not a
common occurance they would not have made
laws requlating the practice.
Law was made to preclude the event. Not after the fact as is the
way
Post by Robert
of man. This was worked out by God and man at the beginning of the
time of Israel in the desert. Leviticus makes it clearer.
PS: The whole idea that leering at your
neighbors wife is sin but buying her daughter
and beating her to death is not is repugnant.
Don't you agree?
That would be repugnant to do to any woman. However, the way you
it makes it seem that someone would by a girl just to beat to death
like some of those porn flicks say they do.
There is no logic in the things that
are banned and the things permitted.
Then perhaps you have no or very little historic understanding of
life.
Killing pregnant women is OK but
leering at your neighbor's wife is
not. Odd idea of morality, that.
Where do you see that?
Well Mitchell, Interesting points you brought up here, Many use
verses like these as reasoning's to dislike God. Most have never read
the bible with the purposes of understanding God,
Is God depressed?
Post by Robert
Man has lived in various dispensations, like law, and grace. Each has
had their covenants either between man and God, or direct from God to
man wherein he promises something and therefore the fulfillment of
those promises is solely that of God's without any dependence on the
work of men.
In all these cases provided below all were under the Covenant of Law.
This brackets or wraps around the period of Grace and focus on the
Gentile from the resurrection of Christ until the resurrection of the
Saints directly preceding the Great Tribulation which Jesus spoke of.
The reason it wraps around is because of the prophecy of Daniel
regarding the 70 weeks of years. 69 weeks of years were finished with
the Crucifixion of Christ at the time of the Passover feast. One week
remains and was essentially put on hold.
Under Christ we have all been living in a time of Grace, and so
effective was and is the Gospel of Christ that it became the norm for
all of civilization as God was no longer openly punishing Nations and
Peoples for their sinful activities. (Yes, in spite of those religious
folks who claim hurricanes and earthquakes are God's judgment on the
sins of peoples and or nations.) Jesus said that he did not come here
to condemn.
We are not under the Mosaic Law, which, BTW, only applied to the
cosigners of the Old Covenant, meaning God and the Jews. Gentiles were
never under the law, and Paul writes about that in his works.
I know many religions hammer us all as if we were under the Law and
not under the New Covenant, but they are a self righteous lot who
determine that we all must "work" to earn our salvation. Which keeps
us under bondage, bondage that Christ died to set us free from.
Ok, so what does this have to do with the verses you bring up?
They all speak of the Jew under the Mosaic Law Covenant. With its
blessings and its Curses. Yes, Curses, all known about, had been
explained to all the people before it was voted on and accepted as
their lot in life.
Sounds unnecessarily complicated.
Why did God allow the world to get to where it is?
Why hasn't God fixed all his errors already?
Post by Robert
"The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword; their little ones
will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant
women ripped open."
Hosea 13:16
Here are the Israelites bearing their guilt as a people according to
the curses of the Law. Bearing what they agreed to accept.
"Everyone who is captured will be thrust
through; all who are caught will fall by the
sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces
before their eyes; their wives will be ravished."
IS 13:15
Here are the Israelites in time future, during the time of the Great
Tribulation under the time period known as the Day of the Lord. His
wrath being poured out on them during the last week of years of
Daniel's prophecy. Again this they bare for their evil and also for
accepting satan as the anti-Christ to sit on the throne in the new
temple in Jerusalem, where they unwisely accept the anti-Christ as
being their Messiah. This after much speaking about the false prophets
by two prophets of God plus the 144,000 Jewish young men who rise up
to follow Christ at that time. Who will witness for the Lord until the
death of the last of them. These will have a special place in heaven.
The Jews at that time will be living under the Mosaic Covenant and yet
can be set free from the Covenant if they believe on the Lord Jesus
Christ. They will have the Blessings and the Curses as their rewards
in this life.
'I will punish the Amalekites for what
they did to Israel when they waylaid them as
they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the
Amalekites and totally destroy everything
that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put
to death men and women, children and infants,
cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."
1 Samuel 15
Again. OT times under LAW. The Amalekites were warned about Israel and
the God of Israel by Balaam and here they suffer because of their sins
against Israel. This still in the period of immediate legal justice.
"And the LORD our God delivered him before
us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all
his people. And we took all his cities at
that time, and utterly destroyed the men,
and the women, and the little ones, of every
city, we left none to remain"
Deuteronomy 2:33-34
Deu 2:32  Then Sihon and all his people came out against us to fight
at Jahaz. 
So while God said to go ahead and fight them, they didn't walk in
announced. They did do what was common in that day to ensure no
fallout retribution. And also because their time was up as God said
that he would let them live for 400 years until their sin became so
bad that they should be destroyed.
Add to that the certainty that pregnant women
were killed in the destruction of Sodom and
Gonorrah, and many more killed in Ye Floode.
Yes, and the whole Flood event grieved God's heart greatly and he
sorrowed. They all had multiple warnings of the impending doom by the
prophets of their day, and had he not destroyed them all there may not
have been any virgins left through which Christ could be born and thus
save many. God was down to Noah and his sons. Not all of his sons were
as committed as Noah, since as we know one of his sons sodomized Noah.
In each of the verses you brought up, all were under the Law Covenant,
not Grace. The last example you gave was the tale end of the period of
Grace albeit without the Holy Spirit in peoples lives, like as is
possible today if one is Born Again. The only curses on them was that
which was given to Adam. The Life for a life law was not given until
Noah and then not until after the Flood.
I hope this brings some understanding to you and those who read this.
I know I did not cover it to its fullest extent, but I hope it is
enough for this time.
Why are you defending this evil God?
Your life would be so much better if you could accept your God
does not exist.
Robert
2020-02-16 00:15:07 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 10:19:16 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Your life would be so much better if you could accept your God
does not exist.
Then why are you here?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-16 01:27:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 10:19:16 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Your life would be so much better if you could accept your God
does not exist.
Then why are you here?
Never heard about the birds and the bees?

=====
Without naivety it is impossible to please your church masters.
Robert
2020-02-12 07:10:09 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 21:49:57 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:38:45 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:47:30 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Jesus stayed in his own land with his own people and those in the
Jesus first announced his mission to a samarian woman at the
well. Samarians were not jews. He also said a pagan centurion had
more faith than the jews.
Plus we only have a record of the last year
of his life. He could have - and probably did -
traveled extensively before then. His ideas were
such a break with Jewish tradition that he no
doubt picked them up elsewhere.
Jesus attended at least three annual Passover feasts (John 2:13;
6:4;
11:55-57). At the shortest, His ministry would have been 2½ years.
If
one additional Passover occurred during this time, sometime between
John 2 and 6, the information regarding 3½ years fits nicely.
Wording copied from others for expediency sake
That still leaves virtually his whole
life (age zero to 30) unaccounted for.
Are there any accounts of ANYONE in
the vast throngs that he gathered
recognizing him from his first three
decades?
Mat 13:55  Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called
Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas?
That is about his birth, not his adult years.
No, that was his adult years and all his brothers and sisters were
younger than he. Just a few verse up it says,...

Mat 13:53  Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these
parables, that He departed from there. 
Mat 13:54  When He had come to His own country, He taught them in
their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, "Where did
this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? 
Mar 6:3  Is this not the carpenter, the Son of Mary, and brother of
James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?"
So they were offended at Him.
That is about his birth, not his adult years.
Again, adult years,...
Mar 6:1  Then He went out from there and came to His own country, and
His disciples followed Him. 
Mar 6:2  And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the
synagogue. And many hearing Him were astonished, saying, "Where did
this Man get these things? And what wisdom is this which is given to
Him, that such mighty works are performed by His hands! 

Here is says, "Jesus, the carpenter."
Then there is the time when he was first born and 40 days later taken
to the temple to be circumcised and presented to God. Seen of the
"wise men", etc. Then taken after a year or so into Egypt to live for
a while to protect Jesus from being killed when the local ruler had
ordered all children under the age of two to be killed, Then he was
moved to Nazareth from Egypt after that ruler died and his son took
over. He was seen in the temple by the priests in Jerusalem who were
astounded at his knowledge.
That is about his birth, not his adult years.
This was beyond birth up until perhaps 9-12 years old, I don't
remember ATM but it was a lengthy time Year 0-1.5+or - was in Israel.
But yes, there was not much to write about him since he grew up in all
manner like any other young boy/man. Subject to all the same trials,
temptations, etc. As scripture points out to us.
Ergo it is safe to say he spent virtually
his whole life outside of Judea/Palestine.
No, because history recorded when the ruler died and his son took
over.
And wherever he was he didn't make much
of an impression on the locals, at least the
literate ones. Most odd for a Savior/Messiah.
In Mark he was recognized as a carpenter, by the locals, and many
recognized his as from Nazareth, not Egypt.

Mat :23  And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it
might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, "He shall be
called a Nazarene."

Mat 1:11  So the multitudes said, "This is Jesus, the prophet from
Nazareth of Galilee."

Even the demons recognized him as from,...

Mar 1:24  saying, "Let us alone! What have we to do with You, Jesus of
Nazareth? Did You come to destroy us? I know who You are—the Holy One
of God!"

Luk 8:37  So they told him that Jesus of Nazareth was passing by.

Many, many other such verses recognizing him from that town.

It was also prophesied in the O.T.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Robert
2020-02-12 07:22:56 UTC
Permalink
That still leaves virtually his whole
life (age zero to 30) unaccounted for.
One of the stories I find interesting after a visit to Jerusalem,
as his family was returning to Nazareth he was missing and Mary
went back to find him. She finds him at the Temple preaching.
What it interests me is he wasn't quoted about that, but most of
the account is he doesn't at first understand why his mother is
worried, and once he does he promises not to do it again. It
seems to be story not of a god lecturing the mere humans, but a
god learning what it is to be human who knows fear and loss.
Mitchell if you read this, Jesus was 12 when this happened V:42

Not quite what the scripture says,...
The Boy Jesus in the Temple
Luk 2:41  Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Passover
festival. 
Luk 2:42  When Jesus was twelve years old, they attended the festival
as usual. 
Luk 2:43  After the celebration was over, they started home to
Nazareth, but Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. His parents didn’t
miss him at first, 
Luk 2:44  because they assumed he was among the other travelers. But
when he didn’t show up that evening, they started looking for him
among their relatives and friends. 
Luk 2:45  When they couldn’t find him, they went back to Jerusalem to
search for him there. 
Luk 2:46  Three days later they finally discovered him in the Temple,
sitting among the religious teachers, listening to them and asking
questions. 
Luk 2:47  All who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his
answers. 
Luk 2:48  His parents didn’t know what to think. “Son,” his mother
said to him, “why have you done this to us? Your father and I have
been frantic, searching for you everywhere.” 
Luk 2:49  “But why did you need to search?” he asked. “Didn’t you know
that I must be in my Father’s house?” 
Luk 2:50  But they didn’t understand what he meant. 
Luk 2:51  Then he returned to Nazareth with them and was obedient to
them. And his mother stored all these things in her heart. 
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-12 08:50:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 14:12:37 +1100, Lucifer
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:41:39 +1100, Lucifer
I am stating that you can only see with a limited understanding, for a
couple of reasons. First being that you need the Holy Spirit to read
with and depth of understanding, and even then in ones studies there
are deeper depths of understandings the more one walks with Christ.
Two, outside of Christ those people, especially when in shoes like
your have spiritual blinders on, that narrow your field of vision, and
were put on you by the god of this earth whose name you wish to be
known as.
I see what you are saying but I think you are deceived. If you need
to be in a certain state to understand something that something is
poorly written. I would expect a creator God to inspire text that
could be understood by all humans. You see the result of different
interpretations. Different religions. Different sects within the
religions. Wars between different religious groups.
Even on these newsgroups we have theists claiming only they
have the right interpretation and every other theist is destined
for hell.
What I see in the bible is a God that makes stupid mistakes.
The bible describes a bizarre way to test for a women's
faithfulness and the proper way to kill a turtledove but it doesn't
describe the use of electricity of the use of life save medications.
We have had to discover those things for ourselves.
God has all the worst human failings. Theists use the name of God
to threaten us if we don't tow the party line.
Religion is a curse, a blight on humanity. We could have achieved
so much more if we were not held back by religion.
With all your thought you leave out what is vital info, that being
Satan. How he fits into things, the ongoing was between him and the
believers and so as a result you do not see the full cause and effect
of Satan destruction on your thinking, rational. and understanding,
and neither do most people as they have grown up with him and are used
to thinking like he does, since he has fed the human with thoughts
continuously. So much so that we begin thinking that was our own
original thinking and do not even think that the thought came from
outside ourselves. As in temptations, murders, stealing from a store,
etc. etc.
Does my thinking that God could have and should have made his
word known to all in an unambiguous way, and should ensure
everyone has sufficient food and clean water, and should give
all women reproductive rights, and should speak against slavery,
and should prevent disease, come from Satan?
If so then Satan is the good guy.
You're his kind of guy, gullible.
So it's gullible for me to think God should have made his
word known to all in an unambiguous way, and should ensure
everyone has sufficient food and clean water, and should give
all women reproductive rights, and should speak against slavery,
and should prevent disease?
Post by Robert
Satan gives the diseases made from good things that he corrupted. God
heals them. But you don't see that so you "think" God is inadequate
because you were fooled.
Didn't God create everything thus making God responsible for
everything?
Post by Robert
God created clean air, water, and MORE than sufficient food, Satan
degraded it all, had the right to since Adam gave him the authority.
Yet look at your short sightedness. AYUP, your his man.
I think it was very short sighted of God to hand over control of this
world to us.
Post by Robert
Something you should consider understanding and the interactions with
men.
I would like to know why God created Satan and gave him his
personality. I don't want to hear the usual story that God didn't
know what he was doing when he created Satan.
Satan/Lucifer was the highest and most beautiful angel of all . All
the angels did his bidding, Do you know the story or not?
I do, and it doesn't make sense . Do you believe everything your
church teaches?
Post by Robert
Here is the story of ungodly man, the atheist, those opposed to God.
Read it all. It fits all men, so they are all without excuse.
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness, 
God is unhappy with the way he created and doesn't know he can
correct his design.
Post by Robert
Rom 1:19  because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for
God has shown it to them. 
Rom 1:20  For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes
are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even
His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 
I want to know why God is unable or unwilling to make his message
known in an unambiguous and non-threatening way.
Post by Robert
Rom 1:21  because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as
God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their
foolish hearts were darkened. 
Rom 1:22  Professing to be wise, they became fools, 
Rom 1:23  and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image
made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and
creeping things. 
Was God unable to prevent that happening?
Post by Robert
Rom 1:24  Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts
of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 
So it was God who made them unclean? That's what it says.
Post by Robert
Rom 1:25  who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped
and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed
forever. Amen. 
Rom 1:26  For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even
their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 
Rom 1:27  Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is
shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which
was due. 
God created our brain such that some would be homosexual, some
would be pedophiles, and some would kill themselves and others.
Post by Robert
Rom 1:28  And even as they did not like to retain God in their
knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things
which are not fitting; 
Rom 1:29  being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,
wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife,
deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 
Rom 1:30  backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters,
inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
Rom 1:31  undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,
unmerciful; 
Rom 1:32  who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who
practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but
also approve of those who practice them. 
Being that I am unbiased and not brainwashed it looks to me like
God messed up big time and doesn't know what to do to fix it.

What was I supposed to think?
Robert
2020-02-12 19:46:24 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:50:49 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 14:12:37 +1100, Lucifer
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:41:39 +1100, Lucifer
I am stating that you can only see with a limited understanding, for a
couple of reasons. First being that you need the Holy Spirit to read
with and depth of understanding, and even then in ones studies there
are deeper depths of understandings the more one walks with Christ.
Two, outside of Christ those people, especially when in shoes like
your have spiritual blinders on, that narrow your field of vision, and
were put on you by the god of this earth whose name you wish to be
known as.
I see what you are saying but I think you are deceived. If you need
to be in a certain state to understand something that something is
poorly written. I would expect a creator God to inspire text that
could be understood by all humans. You see the result of different
interpretations. Different religions. Different sects within the
religions. Wars between different religious groups.
Even on these newsgroups we have theists claiming only they
have the right interpretation and every other theist is destined
for hell.
What I see in the bible is a God that makes stupid mistakes.
The bible describes a bizarre way to test for a women's
faithfulness and the proper way to kill a turtledove but it doesn't
describe the use of electricity of the use of life save medications.
We have had to discover those things for ourselves.
God has all the worst human failings. Theists use the name of God
to threaten us if we don't tow the party line.
Religion is a curse, a blight on humanity. We could have achieved
so much more if we were not held back by religion.
With all your thought you leave out what is vital info, that being
Satan. How he fits into things, the ongoing was between him and the
believers and so as a result you do not see the full cause and effect
of Satan destruction on your thinking, rational. and understanding,
and neither do most people as they have grown up with him and are used
to thinking like he does, since he has fed the human with thoughts
continuously. So much so that we begin thinking that was our own
original thinking and do not even think that the thought came from
outside ourselves. As in temptations, murders, stealing from a store,
etc. etc.
Does my thinking that God could have and should have made his
word known to all in an unambiguous way, and should ensure
everyone has sufficient food and clean water, and should give
all women reproductive rights, and should speak against slavery,
and should prevent disease, come from Satan?
If so then Satan is the good guy.
You're his kind of guy, gullible.
So it's gullible for me to think God should have made his
word known to all in an unambiguous way, and should ensure
everyone has sufficient food and clean water, and should give
all women reproductive rights, and should speak against slavery,
and should prevent disease?
Yes, It is gullible of you to receive those idea's and fixate upon it,
especially when you know that God already created that world.

And you refuse to accept the destroyers responsibility in destroying
as much of God's creation for us as he can.

You are pointing your finger and the wrong spirit, since you are
following the con job.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Satan gives the diseases made from good things that he corrupted. God
heals them. But you don't see that so you "think" God is inadequate
because you were fooled.
Didn't God create everything thus making God responsible for
everything?
No, and as you have been told several times by me and scripture that
God created it and gave dominion over all of it to man. You have been
shown the truth yet you deny it.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
God created clean air, water, and MORE than sufficient food, Satan
degraded it all, had the right to since Adam gave him the authority.
Yet look at your short sightedness. AYUP, your his man.
I think it was very short sighted of God to hand over control of this
world to us.
Now you are admitting that you accept the truth, yet you persist in
your judgment of God. God provided a way of escape from this, a safety
net, so to speak for anyone that desires it, again for free.

Yet you would rather complain.

So tell me Brian, what do you think it looks like to anyone reading
these diatribes of yours? You sit there accusing and blaming God,
holding Him responsible for the failures of mankind and the earth
being destroyed by Lucifer, whose name you proudly proclaim, yet From
the initial fall of man into sin God had a plan of deliverance.
Salvation from these curses, and the Full deliverance came 2,000 years
ago wherein God offered up his Son to pay for all the sins and damage
to mankind. To provide total salvation dependent solely on the Faith
and exercising of it as given to each man by God.

Salvation is not just a "soulish" thing, or strictly of the "spirit"
in things spiritual, but total salvation encompasses everything in our
lives and in our life continuing into the future eternity. God has
given up healing's, healing from all sickness and disease. A basic
benefits package of food and clothing for each day, freedom from
plagues, Abundant life according to ones faith and walk with God in
their daily life. Power, the power to move mountains both literal and
figurative. And all that extends to ones children as long as they are
under your roof and care. These things all are the pearl of great
price that when a man see's it searches for it, all of it.

Yet at this point you have chosen to refuse any or all of it. Imagine,
it was all done for you as if you were the only person alive on this
planet. God has a plan for you specifically, and he has forgiven your
sins, not in general but your specific and even the most private of
your sin he knows and has it covered. Yet unless you want it and
accept it then it is of no value to you in either your real life or
your spiritual life.

So why not consider the total package of God Almighty?
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Something you should consider understanding and the interactions with
men.
I would like to know why God created Satan and gave him his
personality. I don't want to hear the usual story that God didn't
know what he was doing when he created Satan.
Satan/Lucifer was the highest and most beautiful angel of all . All
the angels did his bidding, Do you know the story or not?
I do, and it doesn't make sense . Do you believe everything your
church teaches?
Not necessarily, if it isn't backed up in the Bible then I reject it
whether it sounded good or bad. The word of God is vital and is our
spiritual food and drink.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Here is the story of ungodly man, the atheist, those opposed to God.
Read it all. It fits all men, so they are all without excuse.
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness, 
God is unhappy with the way he created and doesn't know he can
correct his design.
I am going to stop here, read all the above and think on those things
before you reply, then we will see where it goes from there. OK?
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Rom 1:19  because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for
God has shown it to them. 
Rom 1:20  For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes
are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even
His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 
I want to know why God is unable or unwilling to make his message
known in an unambiguous and non-threatening way.
Post by Robert
Rom 1:21  because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as
God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their
foolish hearts were darkened. 
Rom 1:22  Professing to be wise, they became fools, 
Rom 1:23  and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image
made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and
creeping things. 
Was God unable to prevent that happening?
Post by Robert
Rom 1:24  Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts
of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 
So it was God who made them unclean? That's what it says.
Post by Robert
Rom 1:25  who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped
and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed
forever. Amen. 
Rom 1:26  For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even
their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 
Rom 1:27  Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is
shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which
was due. 
God created our brain such that some would be homosexual, some
would be pedophiles, and some would kill themselves and others.
Post by Robert
Rom 1:28  And even as they did not like to retain God in their
knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things
which are not fitting; 
Rom 1:29  being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,
wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife,
deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 
Rom 1:30  backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters,
inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
Rom 1:31  undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,
unmerciful; 
Rom 1:32  who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who
practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but
also approve of those who practice them. 
Being that I am unbiased and not brainwashed it looks to me like
God messed up big time and doesn't know what to do to fix it.
What was I supposed to think?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-12 20:34:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:50:49 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Robert
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness, 
God is unhappy with the way he created and doesn't know he can
correct his design.
Post by Robert
I am going to stop here, read all the above and think on those things
before you reply, then we will see where it goes from there. OK?
You want me to consider what you have said but you will not
consider what I am saying?

I will consider your words and get back to you.
In the meantime please consider and comment on my thoughts.
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Rom 1:19  because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for
God has shown it to them. 
Rom 1:20  For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes
are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even
His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 
I want to know why God is unable or unwilling to make his message
known in an unambiguous and non-threatening way.
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Rom 1:21  because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as
God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their
foolish hearts were darkened. 
Rom 1:22  Professing to be wise, they became fools, 
Rom 1:23  and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image
made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and
creeping things. 
Was God unable to prevent that happening?
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Rom 1:24  Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts
of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 
So it was God who made them unclean? That's what it says.
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Rom 1:25  who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped
and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed
forever. Amen. 
Rom 1:26  For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even
their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 
Rom 1:27  Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is
shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which
was due. 
God created our brain such that some would be homosexual, some
would be pedophiles, and some would kill themselves and others.
Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Rom 1:28  And even as they did not like to retain God in their
knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things
which are not fitting; 
Rom 1:29  being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,
wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife,
deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 
Rom 1:30  backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters,
inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
Rom 1:31  undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,
unmerciful; 
Rom 1:32  who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who
practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but
also approve of those who practice them. 
Being that I am unbiased and not brainwashed it looks to me like
God messed up big time and doesn't know what to do to fix it.

What was I supposed to think?
Patrick B
2020-02-14 00:08:19 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:34:15 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:50:49 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Robert
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness, 
God is unhappy with the way he created and doesn't know he can
correct his design.
Post by Robert
I am going to stop here, read all the above and think on those things
before you reply, then we will see where it goes from there. OK?
You want me to consider what you have said but you will not
consider what I am saying?
I have been considering all that you have been saying, but have
received very little response as to you understanding what I have been
saying.
You don't have to agree in order to understand what another person is
saying, but you do have to understand in order to provide a relative
response. AND you need to understand it from my POV, not that of the
RCC or any other staid religion.
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
Good luck on getting an answer.
Robert
2020-02-14 04:24:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:34:15 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:50:49 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Robert
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness, 
God is unhappy with the way he created and doesn't know he can
correct his design.
Post by Robert
I am going to stop here, read all the above and think on those things
before you reply, then we will see where it goes from there. OK?
You want me to consider what you have said but you will not
consider what I am saying?
I have been considering all that you have been saying, but have
received very little response as to you understanding what I have been
saying.
You don't have to agree in order to understand what another person is
saying, but you do have to understand in order to provide a relative
response. AND you need to understand it from my POV, not that of the
RCC or any other staid religion.
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
Good luck on getting an answer.
I follow Jesus, and his words.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Kevrob
2020-02-14 05:39:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
I follow Jesus, and his words.
How many other suckers believe in the same version of
Yeshu'a as yours? 0.8 billion of "Tyndale's ploughboys"
may have as many Joshes.

Stop posting in alt.atheism, troll.

--
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Olrik
2020-02-14 05:45:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:34:15 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:50:49 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Robert
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness,
God is unhappy with the way he created and doesn't know he can
correct his design.
Post by Robert
I am going to stop here, read all the above and think on those things
before you reply, then we will see where it goes from there. OK?
You want me to consider what you have said but you will not
consider what I am saying?
I have been considering all that you have been saying, but have
received very little response as to you understanding what I have been
saying.
You don't have to agree in order to understand what another person is
saying, but you do have to understand in order to provide a relative
response. AND you need to understand it from my POV, not that of the
RCC or any other staid religion.
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
Good luck on getting an answer.
I follow Jesus, and his words.
Concretely, how?
--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
Siri Cruise
2020-02-14 07:02:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
I follow Jesus, and his words.
Concretely, how?
In the gospels Jesus gives one commandment. Anyone who follows
Jesus will try to follow this commandment. Failure is an option.
However reject the commandment, and you reject Jesus. Rejection
is not an option.
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
The first law of discordiamism: The more energy This post / \
to make order is nore energy made into entropy. insults Islam. Mohammed
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 01:47:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Siri Cruise
In the gospels Jesus gives one commandment. Anyone who follows
Jesus will try to follow this commandment. Failure is an option.
However reject the commandment, and you reject Jesus. Rejection
is not an option.
1) God gave us free will

2) We should use our free will to accept, not reject, God.

3) Rejection is not an option.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Siri Cruise
2020-02-15 05:33:05 UTC
Permalink
In article
Post by LinuxGal
Post by Siri Cruise
In the gospels Jesus gives one commandment. Anyone who follows
Jesus will try to follow this commandment. Failure is an option.
However reject the commandment, and you reject Jesus. Rejection
is not an option.
1) God gave us free will
2) We should use our free will to accept, not reject, God.
3) Rejection is not an option.
You accept the Jesus of the gospels by trying to follow his
command to love one another. According to the gospels, you will
fail to do that, so what's important is the effort.

Hating people for disagreeing with you and cheering their
expected eventual damnation is not an act of love but hate.
Declaring you are smugly self satisfied in your hate is a
rejection of the Jesus of the gospels.
--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
The first law of discordiamism: The more energy This post / \
to make order is nore energy made into entropy. insults Islam. Mohammed
Robert
2020-02-15 05:52:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Siri Cruise
In article
Post by LinuxGal
Post by Siri Cruise
In the gospels Jesus gives one commandment. Anyone who follows
Jesus will try to follow this commandment. Failure is an option.
However reject the commandment, and you reject Jesus. Rejection
is not an option.
1) God gave us free will
2) We should use our free will to accept, not reject, God.
3) Rejection is not an option.
You accept the Jesus of the gospels by trying to follow his
command to love one another. According to the gospels, you will
fail to do that, so what's important is the effort.
Hating people for disagreeing with you and cheering their
expected eventual damnation is not an act of love but hate.
Declaring you are smugly self satisfied in your hate is a
rejection of the Jesus of the gospels.
LinuxGal, I see stuff like this from you occasionally, and I wonder.
Why? Because this is so right on!
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 12:49:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Siri Cruise
In article
Post by LinuxGal
Post by Siri Cruise
In the gospels Jesus gives one commandment. Anyone who follows
Jesus will try to follow this commandment. Failure is an option.
However reject the commandment, and you reject Jesus. Rejection
is not an option.
1) God gave us free will
2) We should use our free will to accept, not reject, God.
3) Rejection is not an option.
You accept the Jesus of the gospels by trying to follow his
command to love one another. According to the gospels, you will
fail to do that, so what's important is the effort.
You missed the irony in my short little list of
Christian assertions.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
d***@cox.net
2020-02-15 20:25:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by LinuxGal
Post by Siri Cruise
In article
Post by LinuxGal
Post by Siri Cruise
In the gospels Jesus gives one commandment. Anyone who follows
Jesus will try to follow this commandment. Failure is an option.
However reject the commandment, and you reject Jesus. Rejection
is not an option.
1) God gave us free will
2) We should use our free will to accept, not reject, God.
3) Rejection is not an option.
You accept the Jesus of the gospels by trying to follow his
command to love one another. According to the gospels, you will
fail to do that, so what's important is the effort.
You missed the irony in my short little list of
Christian assertions.
I wouldn't touch that fool with a 10-ft pole.
the dukester, American-American
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 20:38:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by LinuxGal
You missed the irony in my short little list of
Christian assertions.
I wouldn't touch that fool with a 10-ft pole.
I wouldn't touch either of you with a 3.048 meter pole.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
d***@cox.net
2020-02-15 20:24:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Siri Cruise
In article
Post by LinuxGal
Post by Siri Cruise
In the gospels Jesus gives one commandment. Anyone who follows
Jesus will try to follow this commandment. Failure is an option.
However reject the commandment, and you reject Jesus. Rejection
is not an option.
1) God gave us free will
2) We should use our free will to accept, not reject, God.
3) Rejection is not an option.
You accept the Jesus of the gospels by trying to follow his
command to love one another. According to the gospels, you will
fail to do that, so what's important is the effort.
You will??? You will, but not many of us.
Post by Siri Cruise
Hating people for disagreeing with you and cheering their
expected eventual damnation is not an act of love but hate.
Declaring you are smugly self satisfied in your hate is a
rejection of the Jesus of the gospels.
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-02-15 20:23:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by LinuxGal
Post by Siri Cruise
In the gospels Jesus gives one commandment. Anyone who follows
Jesus will try to follow this commandment. Failure is an option.
However reject the commandment, and you reject Jesus. Rejection
is not an option.
1) God gave us free will
2) We should use our free will to accept, not reject, God.
3) Rejection is not an option.
Well, it is, but not without paying dearly for it.
the dukester, American-American
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 20:39:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by LinuxGal
Post by Siri Cruise
In the gospels Jesus gives one commandment. Anyone who follows
Jesus will try to follow this commandment. Failure is an option.
However reject the commandment, and you reject Jesus. Rejection
is not an option.
1) God gave us free will
2) We should use our free will to accept, not reject, God.
3) Rejection is not an option.
Well, it is, but not without paying dearly for it.
With Free Will like that, who needs protection rackets?
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Robert
2020-02-14 19:40:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:34:15 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:50:49 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Robert
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness,
God is unhappy with the way he created and doesn't know he can
correct his design.
Post by Robert
I am going to stop here, read all the above and think on those things
before you reply, then we will see where it goes from there. OK?
You want me to consider what you have said but you will not
consider what I am saying?
I have been considering all that you have been saying, but have
received very little response as to you understanding what I have been
saying.
You don't have to agree in order to understand what another person is
saying, but you do have to understand in order to provide a relative
response. AND you need to understand it from my POV, not that of the
RCC or any other staid religion.
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
Good luck on getting an answer.
I follow Jesus, and his words.
Concretely, how?
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
putting in to practice what I know to be right. The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-14 20:34:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:34:15 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:50:49 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Robert
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness,
God is unhappy with the way he created and doesn't know he can
correct his design.
Post by Robert
I am going to stop here, read all the above and think on those things
before you reply, then we will see where it goes from there. OK?
You want me to consider what you have said but you will not
consider what I am saying?
I have been considering all that you have been saying, but have
received very little response as to you understanding what I have been
saying.
You don't have to agree in order to understand what another person is
saying, but you do have to understand in order to provide a relative
response. AND you need to understand it from my POV, not that of the
RCC or any other staid religion.
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
Good luck on getting an answer.
I follow Jesus, and his words.
Concretely, how?
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
putting in to practice what I know to be right. The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.
Thank you. I now understand that you operate according to your
own moral standards not those of the bible. That's why you got
upset when I said you were in favour of a master killing his slave.
Robert
2020-02-14 23:05:52 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:34:28 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:34:15 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:50:49 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Robert
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness,
God is unhappy with the way he created and doesn't know he can
correct his design.
Post by Robert
I am going to stop here, read all the above and think on those things
before you reply, then we will see where it goes from there. OK?
You want me to consider what you have said but you will not
consider what I am saying?
I have been considering all that you have been saying, but have
received very little response as to you understanding what I have been
saying.
You don't have to agree in order to understand what another person is
saying, but you do have to understand in order to provide a relative
response. AND you need to understand it from my POV, not that of the
RCC or any other staid religion.
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
Good luck on getting an answer.
I follow Jesus, and his words.
Concretely, how?
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
putting in to practice what I know to be right. The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.
Thank you. I now understand that you operate according to your
own moral standards not those of the bible. That's why you got
upset when I said you were in favour of a master killing his slave.
Absolutely not.

First I did not get upset at what you say because you were wrong based
on God's words, not mine. IOW's morals taught by God,

And as to my own moral standards? that's a joke, since you are
obviously calling me a liar based on what I wrote above.

If your sole purpose was to try and get under my skin, you cannot do
it. Since I follow Christ and his teachings and nothing manufactured
of myself.

I suppose we can say that because you are clueless regarding the
things of God, and know nothing of him that you are in some way
excusable, except for the fact that you have been shown many things
from God and that simply refuse them, In those cases it all rests on
your chosen profession, not mine.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-15 00:45:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:34:28 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
Good luck on getting an answer.
I follow Jesus, and his words.
Concretely, how?
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
putting in to practice what I know to be right. The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.
Thank you. I now understand that you operate according to your
own moral standards not those of the bible. That's why you got
upset when I said you were in favour of a master killing his slave.
Absolutely not.
First I did not get upset at what you say because you were wrong based
on God's words, not mine. IOW's morals taught by God,
Post by Lucifer
putting in to practice what I know to be right.
And as to my own moral standards? that's a joke, since you are
obviously calling me a liar based on what I wrote above.
Presumably your own morality says lying for the Lord is OK.
Post by Robert
If your sole purpose was to try and get under my skin, you cannot do
it. Since I follow Christ and his teachings and nothing manufactured
of myself.
I suppose we can say that because you are clueless regarding the
things of God, and know nothing of him that you are in some way
excusable, except for the fact that you have been shown many things
from God and that simply refuse them, In those cases it all rests on
your chosen profession, not mine.
What is there to be known about mythological deities?
I know it's all nonsense and everything you say confirms that.
I'm sorry I couldn't get through to you.
Robert
2020-02-15 01:07:26 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:45:41 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:34:28 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
Good luck on getting an answer.
I follow Jesus, and his words.
Concretely, how?
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
putting in to practice what I know to be right. The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.
Thank you. I now understand that you operate according to your
own moral standards not those of the bible. That's why you got
upset when I said you were in favour of a master killing his slave.
Absolutely not.
First I did not get upset at what you say because you were wrong based
on God's words, not mine. IOW's morals taught by God,
Post by Lucifer
putting in to practice what I know to be right.
And as to my own moral standards? that's a joke, since you are
obviously calling me a liar based on what I wrote above.
Presumably your own morality says lying for the Lord is OK.
No.

Why did you snip out the request for your Proof?
Is it tough for you to own your mistakes?
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
If your sole purpose was to try and get under my skin, you cannot do
it. Since I follow Christ and his teachings and nothing manufactured
of myself.
I suppose we can say that because you are clueless regarding the
things of God, and know nothing of him that you are in some way
excusable, except for the fact that you have been shown many things
from God and that simply refuse them, In those cases it all rests on
your chosen profession, not mine.
What is there to be known about mythological deities?
I know it's all nonsense and everything you say confirms that.
I'm sorry I couldn't get through to you.
If that be true then there is nothing more to discuss, is there.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-15 03:56:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:45:41 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:34:28 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
Good luck on getting an answer.
I follow Jesus, and his words.
Concretely, how?
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
putting in to practice what I know to be right. The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.
Thank you. I now understand that you operate according to your
own moral standards not those of the bible. That's why you got
upset when I said you were in favour of a master killing his slave.
Absolutely not.
First I did not get upset at what you say because you were wrong based
on God's words, not mine. IOW's morals taught by God,
Post by Lucifer
putting in to practice what I know to be right.
And as to my own moral standards? that's a joke, since you are
obviously calling me a liar based on what I wrote above.
Presumably your own morality says lying for the Lord is OK.
No.
Yet you do.
Post by Robert
Why did you snip out the request for your Proof?
Is it tough for you to own your mistakes?
My apologies sir. Please replace the text and I will respond.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
If your sole purpose was to try and get under my skin, you cannot do
it. Since I follow Christ and his teachings and nothing manufactured
of myself.
I suppose we can say that because you are clueless regarding the
things of God, and know nothing of him that you are in some way
excusable, except for the fact that you have been shown many things
from God and that simply refuse them, In those cases it all rests on
your chosen profession, not mine.
I am concerned that you want to teach your nonsense to vulnerable
people. Have you no shame, no concern for the welfare of such
people?
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
What is there to be known about mythological deities?
I know it's all nonsense and everything you say confirms that.
I'm sorry I couldn't get through to you.
If that be true then there is nothing more to discuss, is there.
Unless you would like to comment on my ramblings.
I'd like to see how you reconcile reality with religious nonsense,
but I understand you don't want to be subject to the truth.


But without faith it is impossible to please Robert: for he that
cometh to Robert must believe that he is, and that he is a
rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Kevrob
2020-02-15 05:17:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
putting in to practice what I know to be right. The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.
--
TL; DR:

"I read the Bible and make stuff up."

So, just like Niu Nian or McLoon, except they
don't read the Bible (or not anymore.)

--
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Lucifer
2020-02-15 05:40:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kevrob
Post by Robert
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
putting in to practice what I know to be right. The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.
--
"I read the Bible and make stuff up."
So, just like Niu Nian or McLoon, except they
don't read the Bible (or not anymore.)
Theists hate it when we quote the bible to them.
They are afraid they might learn something.
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 12:48:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lucifer
Theists hate it when we quote the bible to them.
They are afraid they might learn something.
My goal is to quote the entire Bible at them, and so have a
complete set of interpretations that explain why it
really says other than it actually does.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Jack Shit
2020-02-15 18:46:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by LinuxGal
Post by Lucifer
Theists hate it when we quote the bible to them.
They are afraid they might learn something.
My goal is to quote the entire Bible at them, and so have a
complete set of interpretations that explain why it
really says other than it actually does.
LOL....you non believers sure do stand on your own pedestals .
d***@cox.net
2020-02-15 20:25:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lucifer
Post by Kevrob
Post by Robert
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
putting in to practice what I know to be right. The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.
--
"I read the Bible and make stuff up."
So, just like Niu Nian or McLoon, except they
don't read the Bible (or not anymore.)
Theists hate it when we quote the bible to them.
They are afraid they might learn something.
No kidding. Tell me something like that.
the dukester, American-American
Cloud Hobbit
2020-02-15 23:52:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
putting in to practice what I know to be right. The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.

Wouldn't it have been better for God to have written the bible himself as he supposedly wrote the 10 commandments?

That way no contradictions.

And wouldn't it have been better to make sure that his "word" not have any human editorial additions from humans.

Wouldn't it have been better if God made it possible for everyone to understand the bible without having to be a scholar? Why not make it accessible to the common man?

Shouldn't He have done a proofreading to make sure everything in it was accurate instead of the mess of contradictions and forgery that we are left with?

If you want to be understood and you happen to be omnipotent, why not make your words easily understood?

The book we are left with reads like it was written by very ignorant people. They didn't know about camels and when they were first used in the middle east. They didn't understand what an insect or a bat is.

There are literally hundreds of questionable entries in the bible that raise more questions.

Seems like an omnipotent being could have done a much better job if he wanted the world to accept him as real and truly omnipotent.
Lucifer
2020-02-14 07:13:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:34:15 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:50:49 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Robert
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness, 
God is unhappy with the way he created and doesn't know he can
correct his design.
Post by Robert
I am going to stop here, read all the above and think on those things
before you reply, then we will see where it goes from there. OK?
You want me to consider what you have said but you will not
consider what I am saying?
I have been considering all that you have been saying, but have
received very little response as to you understanding what I have been
saying.
You don't have to agree in order to understand what another person is
saying, but you do have to understand in order to provide a relative
response. AND you need to understand it from my POV, not that of the
RCC or any other staid religion.
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
Good luck on getting an answer.
I follow Jesus, and his words.
How can I understand from your POV when you won't tell me what
that is? You know my POV is that of the truth. I can't understand
why people follow a fairy tale.

Will you be commenting on the facts I provide?
Robert
2020-02-14 04:22:51 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 07:34:15 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:50:49 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Robert
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness, 
God is unhappy with the way he created and doesn't know he can
correct his design.
Post by Robert
I am going to stop here, read all the above and think on those things
before you reply, then we will see where it goes from there. OK?
You want me to consider what you have said but you will not
consider what I am saying?
I have been considering all that you have been saying, but have
received very little response as to you understanding what I have been
saying.
You don't have to agree in order to understand what another person is
saying, but you do have to understand in order to provide a relative
response. AND you need to understand it from my POV, not that of the
RCC or any other staid religion.
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
I have told you many times the same things I tell the others.
Scripture. The Holy Bible. I follow no religion with their add on's.
So take a break, read what I asked you to read and think about what I
said versus what the scriptures say, even if it takes three months. If
you start off on you favorite mantra's that is a sign to me that you
are unable to think beyond that, in that case you are no better off
than a RC saying their "our fathers" and "hail marys" like a bunch of
parrots, especially when they do it for penance sake.
I do things for realism sake but I get your point.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-14 07:31:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
I have told you many times the same things I tell the others.
Scripture. The Holy Bible. I follow no religion with their add on's.
We know it's impossible to follow the bible in it's entirety due
to contradictions and absurdities, so it would help if you would
tell us what parts of the bible you reject.
Robert
2020-02-14 19:45:16 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:31:59 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
I have told you many times the same things I tell the others.
Scripture. The Holy Bible. I follow no religion with their add on's.
We know it's impossible to follow the bible in it's entirety due
to contradictions and absurdities, so it would help if you would
tell us what parts of the bible you reject.
I reject none of it, meaning the bible without any apocrypha books
both old and new. You have been fooled with regards to contradictions
by those that know little of the word. Absurdities? Not when one knows
God.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-14 20:42:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:31:59 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
I have told you many times the same things I tell the others.
Scripture. The Holy Bible. I follow no religion with their add on's.
We know it's impossible to follow the bible in it's entirety due
to contradictions and absurdities, so it would help if you would
tell us what parts of the bible you reject.
I reject none of it, meaning the bible without any apocrypha books
both old and new.
In another post you indicated you act according to your own moral
standards which makes a lot more sense.
Post by Robert
You have been fooled with regards to contradictions
by those that know little of the word.
They make a very strong case.
Post by Robert
Absurdities? Not when one knows God.
You gave yourself away when you admitted to following your own
moral standards.
Robert
2020-02-14 23:09:00 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:42:38 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:31:59 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
I have told you many times the same things I tell the others.
Scripture. The Holy Bible. I follow no religion with their add on's.
We know it's impossible to follow the bible in it's entirety due
to contradictions and absurdities, so it would help if you would
tell us what parts of the bible you reject.
I reject none of it, meaning the bible without any apocrypha books
both old and new.
In another post you indicated you act according to your own moral
standards which makes a lot more sense.
You are mixing me up with someone else, or are just trolling with a
lie.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
You have been fooled with regards to contradictions
by those that know little of the word.
They make a very strong case.
Only because you are looking for an excuse to rebel against God, who
is not the God of the RCC.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Absurdities? Not when one knows God.
You gave yourself away when you admitted to following your own
moral standards.
Again, you lied. It is for you to prove your accusations with a quote
and the Message ID number.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-15 00:56:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:42:38 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:31:59 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
I have told you many times the same things I tell the others.
Scripture. The Holy Bible. I follow no religion with their add on's.
We know it's impossible to follow the bible in it's entirety due
to contradictions and absurdities, so it would help if you would
tell us what parts of the bible you reject.
I reject none of it, meaning the bible without any apocrypha books
both old and new.
In another post you indicated you act according to your own moral
standards which makes a lot more sense.
You are mixing me up with someone else, or are just trolling with a
lie.
Not at all. You slipped up.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
You have been fooled with regards to contradictions
by those that know little of the word.
They make a very strong case.
Only because you are looking for an excuse to rebel against God, who
is not the God of the RCC.
Why would anyone rebel against God?
Maybe that's how we get ahead.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Absurdities? Not when one knows God.
You gave yourself away when you admitted to following your own
moral standards.
Again, you lied. It is for you to prove your accusations with a quote
and the Message ID number.
Post by Lucifer
putting in to practice what I know to be right.
Robert
2020-02-15 01:13:58 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:56:39 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:42:38 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:31:59 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
I have told you many times the same things I tell the others.
Scripture. The Holy Bible. I follow no religion with their add on's.
We know it's impossible to follow the bible in it's entirety due
to contradictions and absurdities, so it would help if you would
tell us what parts of the bible you reject.
I reject none of it, meaning the bible without any apocrypha books
both old and new.
In another post you indicated you act according to your own moral
standards which makes a lot more sense.
You are mixing me up with someone else, or are just trolling with a
lie.
Not at all. You slipped up.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
You have been fooled with regards to contradictions
by those that know little of the word.
They make a very strong case.
Only because you are looking for an excuse to rebel against God, who
is not the God of the RCC.
Why would anyone rebel against God?
Maybe that's how we get ahead.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Absurdities? Not when one knows God.
You gave yourself away when you admitted to following your own
moral standards.
Again, you lied. It is for you to prove your accusations with a quote
and the Message ID number.
Post by Lucifer
putting in to practice what I know to be right.
You posted a link to your post saying the same thing you said here,
Thus re-enforcing your lie.

Post a link with the message ID to my post which confirms what you
said. I told you I follow God and His word, and that because I know
that he is correct, Correct over all men.

At this point I will only reply to this proof of yours showing where I
lied, other wise what I just said to you in another post a couple
minutes ago stands.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-15 03:41:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:56:39 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:42:38 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:31:59 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
I have told you many times the same things I tell the others.
Scripture. The Holy Bible. I follow no religion with their add on's.
We know it's impossible to follow the bible in it's entirety due
to contradictions and absurdities, so it would help if you would
tell us what parts of the bible you reject.
I reject none of it, meaning the bible without any apocrypha books
both old and new.
In another post you indicated you act according to your own moral
standards which makes a lot more sense.
You are mixing me up with someone else, or are just trolling with a
lie.
Not at all. You slipped up.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
You have been fooled with regards to contradictions
by those that know little of the word.
They make a very strong case.
Only because you are looking for an excuse to rebel against God, who
is not the God of the RCC.
Why would anyone rebel against God?
Maybe that's how we get ahead.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Absurdities? Not when one knows God.
You gave yourself away when you admitted to following your own
moral standards.
Again, you lied. It is for you to prove your accusations with a quote
and the Message ID number.
Post by Lucifer
putting in to practice what I know to be right.
You posted a link to your post saying the same thing you said here,
Thus re-enforcing your lie.
Post a link with the message ID to my post which confirms what you
said.
Can't I just post the message ID?
Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>

And what you wrote?
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
[putting in to practice what I know to be right.] The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.
I told you I follow God and His word, and that because I know
that he is correct, Correct over all men.
Then you wrote;
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
[putting in to practice what I know to be right.]
meaning you only follow God's word when it agrees with what you
already believe to be right.

If you had no moral standards of your own you would not be able
to judge God's moral standards.
Post by Robert
At this point I will only reply to this proof of yours showing where I
lied, other wise what I just said to you in another post a couple
minutes ago stands.
When you contradict yourself at least one part has to be a lie or
at least a mistake.
I understand your position. You have to lie to keep the delusion
going. You may be quite honest in your normal life.
I can't respect your beliefs because of the harmful effect they
have on vulnerable people.
Robert
2020-02-15 04:31:33 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:41:53 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:56:39 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:42:38 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:31:59 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
I have told you many times the same things I tell the others.
Scripture. The Holy Bible. I follow no religion with their add on's.
We know it's impossible to follow the bible in it's entirety due
to contradictions and absurdities, so it would help if you would
tell us what parts of the bible you reject.
I reject none of it, meaning the bible without any apocrypha books
both old and new.
In another post you indicated you act according to your own moral
standards which makes a lot more sense.
You are mixing me up with someone else, or are just trolling with a
lie.
Not at all. You slipped up.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
You have been fooled with regards to contradictions
by those that know little of the word.
They make a very strong case.
Only because you are looking for an excuse to rebel against God, who
is not the God of the RCC.
Why would anyone rebel against God?
Maybe that's how we get ahead.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Absurdities? Not when one knows God.
You gave yourself away when you admitted to following your own
moral standards.
Again, you lied. It is for you to prove your accusations with a quote
and the Message ID number.
Post by Lucifer
putting in to practice what I know to be right.
You posted a link to your post saying the same thing you said here,
Thus re-enforcing your lie.
Post a link with the message ID to my post which confirms what you
said.
Can't I just post the message ID?
And what you wrote?
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
[putting in to practice what I know to be right.] The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.
I told you I follow God and His word, and that because I know
that he is correct, Correct over all men.
Then you wrote;
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
[putting in to practice what I know to be right.]
meaning you only follow God's word when it agrees with what you
already believe to be right.
He changed my heart, and gave me new understanding and desires, which
I then desired to fulfill. Why? Because I found out the he is Real,
and that He cared about me as if I was the only person of importance
in the world, yet I understood he is willing and wanting to be that to
everyone that seeks him.
Post by Lucifer
If you had no moral standards of your own you would not be able
to judge God's moral standards.
Wrong. Shows very shallow thinking as well.

You stated that you did not believe anything I said, and that you
chose another path. So be it.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
At this point I will only reply to this proof of yours showing where I
lied, other wise what I just said to you in another post a couple
minutes ago stands.
When you contradict yourself at least one part has to be a lie or
at least a mistake.
I understand your position. You have to lie to keep the delusion
going. You may be quite honest in your normal life.
I can't respect your beliefs because of the harmful effect they
have on vulnerable people.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-15 05:38:18 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 20:31:33 -0800, Robert <***@none.com> wrote:

You should be aware that my moral standards are far better than
yours, and that your moral standards are far better than those
of God.
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:41:53 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:56:39 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 07:42:38 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 18:31:59 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:08:07 +1100, Lucifer
What is your POV? Which sect or version do you follow?
Your answer will help me understand.
Thanks.
I have told you many times the same things I tell the others.
Scripture. The Holy Bible. I follow no religion with their add on's.
We know it's impossible to follow the bible in it's entirety due
to contradictions and absurdities, so it would help if you would
tell us what parts of the bible you reject.
I reject none of it, meaning the bible without any apocrypha books
both old and new.
In another post you indicated you act according to your own moral
standards which makes a lot more sense.
You are mixing me up with someone else, or are just trolling with a
lie.
Not at all. You slipped up.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
You have been fooled with regards to contradictions
by those that know little of the word.
They make a very strong case.
Only because you are looking for an excuse to rebel against God, who
is not the God of the RCC.
Why would anyone rebel against God?
Maybe that's how we get ahead.
Why did you ignore that.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Absurdities? Not when one knows God.
You gave yourself away when you admitted to following your own
moral standards.
Again, you lied. It is for you to prove your accusations with a quote
and the Message ID number.
Post by Lucifer
putting in to practice what I know to be right.
You posted a link to your post saying the same thing you said here,
Thus re-enforcing your lie.
Post a link with the message ID to my post which confirms what you
said.
Can't I just post the message ID?
And what you wrote?
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
It is on two plains, one with the physical and the other spiritual, by
listening spiritually and following it, if it is accordance with the
Word of God, and the other is with my five sense reading the Bible and
[putting in to practice what I know to be right.] The more mature I
become spiritually the more I learn and can handle in both world.
I told you I follow God and His word, and that because I know
that he is correct, Correct over all men.
Then you wrote;
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
[putting in to practice what I know to be right.]
meaning you only follow God's word when it agrees with what you
already believe to be right.
He changed my heart, and gave me new understanding and desires, which
I then desired to fulfill. Why? Because I found out the he is Real,
and that He cared about me as if I was the only person of importance
in the world, yet I understood he is willing and wanting to be that to
everyone that seeks him.
I guess my standards are higher than yours because I find that
unacceptable. You must be aware that thousands of young children
die every day due to insufficient food or polluted water. Others die
of diseases we have forgotten about. Yet more die in religious wars.
How selfish are you? Do you have no empathy?
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
If you had no moral standards of your own you would not be able
to judge God's moral standards.
Wrong. Shows very shallow thinking as well.
How do you determine that God's moral standards are suitable for us?
God finds it acceptable for people to starve and die of polluted water
and for women to be raped and for disease to run rife. Do you?
Post by Robert
You stated that you did not believe anything I said, and that you
chose another path. So be it.
Post a link with the message ID to my post which confirms what
you said, and quote from that post.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
At this point I will only reply to this proof of yours showing where I
lied, other wise what I just said to you in another post a couple
minutes ago stands.
When you contradict yourself at least one part has to be a lie or
at least a mistake.
I understand your position. You have to lie to keep the delusion
going. You may be quite honest in your normal life.
I can't respect your beliefs because of the harmful effect they
have on vulnerable people.
Why did you ignore that part of my post?
Robert
2020-02-15 05:55:07 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:38:18 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
You should be aware that my moral standards are far better than
yours, and that your moral standards are far better than those
of God.
I have found that God's ways are higher than mans. I learned the hard
way.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Lucifer
2020-02-15 08:35:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:38:18 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
You should be aware that my moral standards are far better than
yours, and that your moral standards are far better than those
of God.
I have found that God's ways are higher than mans. I learned the hard
way.
What could be worse than unnecessarily allowing millions of young
children to die every year, allowing disease and ignorance to
continue, not providing life saving and life enhancing information,
not giving women reproductive control, allowing mental illness
and depression, allowing slavery and the slave to kill his slave,
allowing wars, and allowing religion?

I think you are a far better person than you want to admit.
Jack Shit
2020-02-15 18:45:31 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 19:35:52 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:38:18 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
You should be aware that my moral standards are far better than
yours, and that your moral standards are far better than those
of God.
I have found that God's ways are higher than mans. I learned the hard
way.
What could be worse than unnecessarily allowing millions of young
children to die every year, allowing disease and ignorance to
continue, not providing life saving and life enhancing information,
not giving women reproductive control, allowing mental illness
and depression, allowing slavery and the slave to kill his slave,
allowing wars, and allowing religion?
I think you are a far better person than you want to admit.
More lack of knowledge noted by another atheist.
Lucifer
2020-02-15 23:04:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jack Shit
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 19:35:52 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:38:18 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
You should be aware that my moral standards are far better than
yours, and that your moral standards are far better than those
of God.
I have found that God's ways are higher than mans. I learned the hard
way.
What could be worse than unnecessarily allowing millions of young
children to die every year, allowing disease and ignorance to
continue, not providing life saving and life enhancing information,
not giving women reproductive control, allowing mental illness
and depression, allowing slavery and the slave to kill his slave,
allowing wars, and allowing religion?
I think you are a far better person than you want to admit.
More lack of knowledge noted by another atheist.
I'm not familiar with your posts so I don't know what you mean
by that.
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 12:41:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 16:38:18 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
You should be aware that my moral standards are far better than
yours, and that your moral standards are far better than those
of God.
I have found that God's ways are higher than mans. I learned the hard
way.
Taoteching 61

When a country obtains great power, it becomes like the sea:
all streams run downward into it.

The more powerful it grows, the greater the need for
humility.

Humility means trusting the Tao, thus never needing to be
defensive.
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Lucifer
2020-02-12 21:29:29 UTC
Permalink
Please consider this post and respond.
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:50:49 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 14:12:37 +1100, Lucifer
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:41:39 +1100, Lucifer
I am stating that you can only see with a limited understanding, for a
couple of reasons. First being that you need the Holy Spirit to read
with and depth of understanding, and even then in ones studies there
are deeper depths of understandings the more one walks with Christ.
Two, outside of Christ those people, especially when in shoes like
your have spiritual blinders on, that narrow your field of vision, and
were put on you by the god of this earth whose name you wish to be
known as.
I see what you are saying but I think you are deceived. If you need
to be in a certain state to understand something that something is
poorly written. I would expect a creator God to inspire text that
could be understood by all humans. You see the result of different
interpretations. Different religions. Different sects within the
religions. Wars between different religious groups.
Even on these newsgroups we have theists claiming only they
have the right interpretation and every other theist is destined
for hell.
What I see in the bible is a God that makes stupid mistakes.
The bible describes a bizarre way to test for a women's
faithfulness and the proper way to kill a turtledove but it doesn't
describe the use of electricity of the use of life save medications.
We have had to discover those things for ourselves.
God has all the worst human failings. Theists use the name of God
to threaten us if we don't tow the party line.
Religion is a curse, a blight on humanity. We could have achieved
so much more if we were not held back by religion.
With all your thought you leave out what is vital info, that being
Satan. How he fits into things, the ongoing was between him and the
believers and so as a result you do not see the full cause and effect
of Satan destruction on your thinking, rational. and understanding,
and neither do most people as they have grown up with him and are used
to thinking like he does, since he has fed the human with thoughts
continuously. So much so that we begin thinking that was our own
original thinking and do not even think that the thought came from
outside ourselves. As in temptations, murders, stealing from a store,
etc. etc.
Does my thinking that God could have and should have made his
word known to all in an unambiguous way, and should ensure
everyone has sufficient food and clean water, and should give
all women reproductive rights, and should speak against slavery,
and should prevent disease, come from Satan?
If so then Satan is the good guy.
You're his kind of guy, gullible.
So it's gullible for me to think God should have made his
word known to all in an unambiguous way, and should ensure
everyone has sufficient food and clean water, and should give
all women reproductive rights, and should speak against slavery,
and should prevent disease?
Yes, It is gullible of you to receive those idea's and fixate upon it,
especially when you know that God already created that world.
Would it be good if God made his word known to all in an
unambiguous way, and ensured everyone had sufficient
food and clean water, and gave all women reproductive
rights, and spoke against slavery, and prevented
disease?
Post by Robert
And you refuse to accept the destroyers responsibility in destroying
as much of God's creation for us as he can.
Are you accepting God's responsibility in creating the destroyer
and allowing it free rein?
Post by Robert
You are pointing your finger and the wrong spirit, since you are
following the con job.
I need further explanation from you as to why you don't think
the creator of everything should be held responsible for
everything.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Satan gives the diseases made from good things that he corrupted. God
heals them. But you don't see that so you "think" God is inadequate
because you were fooled.
Didn't God create everything thus making God responsible for
everything?
No, and as you have been told several times by me and scripture that
God created it and gave dominion over all of it to man. You have been
shown the truth yet you deny it.
Did God give man all the facilities he needs to manage this world?
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
God created clean air, water, and MORE than sufficient food, Satan
degraded it all, had the right to since Adam gave him the authority.
Yet look at your short sightedness. AYUP, your his man.
I think it was very short sighted of God to hand over control of this
world to us.
Now you are admitting that you accept the truth, yet you persist in
your judgment of God. God provided a way of escape from this, a safety
net, so to speak for anyone that desires it, again for free.
Yet you would rather complain.
Why would a safety net be required? Why is it only offered to some?
Post by Robert
So tell me Brian, what do you think it looks like to anyone reading
these diatribes of yours? You sit there accusing and blaming God,
holding Him responsible for the failures of mankind and the earth
being destroyed by Lucifer, whose name you proudly proclaim, yet From
the initial fall of man into sin God had a plan of deliverance.
My understanding is that God is creator and has authority over
everything.
Post by Robert
Salvation from these curses, and the Full deliverance came 2,000 years
ago wherein God offered up his Son to pay for all the sins and damage
to mankind. To provide total salvation dependent solely on the Faith
and exercising of it as given to each man by God.
Salvation is not just a "soulish" thing, or strictly of the "spirit"
in things spiritual, but total salvation encompasses everything in our
lives and in our life continuing into the future eternity. God has
given up healing's, healing from all sickness and disease. A basic
benefits package of food and clothing for each day, freedom from
plagues, Abundant life according to ones faith and walk with God in
their daily life. Power, the power to move mountains both literal and
figurative. And all that extends to ones children as long as they are
under your roof and care. These things all are the pearl of great
price that when a man see's it searches for it, all of it.
Yet at this point you have chosen to refuse any or all of it. Imagine,
it was all done for you as if you were the only person alive on this
planet. God has a plan for you specifically, and he has forgiven your
sins, not in general but your specific and even the most private of
your sin he knows and has it covered. Yet unless you want it and
accept it then it is of no value to you in either your real life or
your spiritual life.
So why not consider the total package of God Almighty?
It is said past behaviour is indicative of future behaviour and God
does not change, so we should not expect God to change for the
better.

You should ask, if God is capable of making everything good in
the future why has he not done so for all by now?
Why did God allow things to get to where they are now?
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Something you should consider understanding and the interactions with
men.
I would like to know why God created Satan and gave him his
personality. I don't want to hear the usual story that God didn't
know what he was doing when he created Satan.
Satan/Lucifer was the highest and most beautiful angel of all . All
the angels did his bidding, Do you know the story or not?
I do, and it doesn't make sense . Do you believe everything your
church teaches?
Not necessarily, if it isn't backed up in the Bible then I reject it
whether it sounded good or bad. The word of God is vital and is our
spiritual food and drink.
In that case why has God not ensured that all receive and understand
his word in an unambiguous way?
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Here is the story of ungodly man, the atheist, those opposed to God.
Read it all. It fits all men, so they are all without excuse.
Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in
unrighteousness, 
God is unhappy with the way he created and doesn't know he can
correct his design.
I am going to stop here, read all the above and think on those things
before you reply, then we will see where it goes from there. OK?
Please think about why you are afraid to consider my words.
Post by Robert
Post by Lucifer
Post by Robert
Rom 1:19  because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for
God has shown it to them. 
Rom 1:20  For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes
are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even
His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 
I want to know why God is unable or unwilling to make his message
known in an unambiguous and non-threatening way.
Post by Robert
Rom 1:21  because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as
God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their
foolish hearts were darkened. 
Rom 1:22  Professing to be wise, they became fools, 
Rom 1:23  and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image
made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and
creeping things. 
Was God unable to prevent that happening?
Post by Robert
Rom 1:24  Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts
of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 
So it was God who made them unclean? That's what it says.
Post by Robert
Rom 1:25  who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped
and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed
forever. Amen. 
Rom 1:26  For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even
their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 
Rom 1:27  Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is
shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which
was due. 
God created our brain such that some would be homosexual, some
would be pedophiles, and some would kill themselves and others.
Post by Robert
Rom 1:28  And even as they did not like to retain God in their
knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things
which are not fitting; 
Rom 1:29  being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,
wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife,
deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 
Rom 1:30  backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters,
inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 
Rom 1:31  undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,
unmerciful; 
Rom 1:32  who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who
practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but
also approve of those who practice them. 
Being that I am unbiased and not brainwashed it looks to me like
God messed up big time and doesn't know what to do to fix it.
What was I supposed to think?
Lucifer
2020-02-12 22:04:43 UTC
Permalink
Please also consider this;
If everything was created and managed by a loving and powerful
being then suffering makes no sense.
The state of the world does fit with us being a product of evolution.
Jack Shit
2020-02-12 22:13:05 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 09:04:43 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Please also consider this;
If everything was created and managed by a loving and powerful
being then suffering makes no sense.
The state of the world does fit with us being a product of evolution.
Free will with the consequences of your choices. It's all in the
bible.
----------- A t h e i s t ------------
2020-02-12 14:32:34 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 11:13:37 -0800, ----------- A t h e i s t
Jesus stayed in
Without verifiable evidence, your Jesus is only your imagination;
-Contemporaneous writings of non-anonymous eye-witnesses.
-Contemporaneous official Roman government records about the
miracle worker.
-Contemporaneous other government records about the miracle
worker in Palestine.
-Today, [imaginary] Jesus himself appears and tells us.
-Verifiable evidence of miracles/devils/angels/heaven/hell/etc existing.
We've got none of that.
You've had it
That's a lie, Robert; you're a "Liar for Jesus".
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
Robert
2020-02-13 23:14:00 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 06:32:34 -0800, ----------- A t h e i s t
Post by ----------- A t h e i s t ------------
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 11:13:37 -0800, ----------- A t h e i s t
Jesus stayed in
Without verifiable evidence, your Jesus is only your imagination;
-Contemporaneous writings of non-anonymous eye-witnesses.
-Contemporaneous official Roman government records about the
miracle worker.
-Contemporaneous other government records about the miracle
worker in Palestine.
-Today, [imaginary] Jesus himself appears and tells us.
-Verifiable evidence of miracles/devils/angels/heaven/hell/etc existing.
We've got none of that.
You've had it
That's a lie, Robert; you're a "Liar for Jesus".
Why are you so fearful of being honest with yourself?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
----------- A t h e i s t ------------
2020-02-12 14:43:56 UTC
Permalink
...arguing over theological nonsense as if you jokers think it were
actually real. Bizarre, to say the least.
Yet you think humans evolved from mosquitoes.
the dukester, American-American
damn, you're stupid; explains your suseptibility to religion frauds.
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
Patrick B
2020-02-12 15:46:46 UTC
Permalink
Why do you use it as your first name?
Like I have said over and over and over because I don't care for my
first name. It is on all legal documents even those you claim to have
seen.
It has been interesting watching you lie and look. Yet how that helps
you defend pedophiles, false doctrine and fake traditions I really
don't know.
It is your game.
I am just playing along.
What you didn't think you knew my address when you threatened to
visit me with all your expert weapons training or to visit my kids?
It is yer game, larry.
If you don't like the rules, stop playing.
Well you know the rules and they apply both directions.
I don't like your rules.
You are allowed to call all catholic priests pedophiles, but if we try
to tell you that we are not, then you claim we defend people like
larry.
Get rid of your whiney little baby rule.
Look Pat, those who support them are for them and their sins.
That is so bogus.
Yesterday a cop was arrested for child rape.
Many people support the police department.
That does not mean that they support the rapist.

I also support ther police department.
And I respect that they protect and serve.
I support no pedo's - whether they are priests, coaches, or cops.
They are
as guilty then as the actual perps. Therefore criticism is applicable
to all but those who stand out and speak against such sinful
behaviors.
Read my statement above.
BTW, a burger king employee was arrested for child porn last week.
I still like to have a WHopper once in a while.
And nope - I do not support that porn king either.
Most priest dare not buck the RCB, so the are forced to tacitly agree
that the sinning priests are the norm.
No, they don't.
Stop making up shit.
Same for all the parishioners
who stand for the RCC with all of its sins.
Do you kneel for dwain?
If any group, no matter how small, were to stand and fight, then they
would clarify their thoughts before the general public and be a stick
in the eye of the RCB for the public around the world to see. Then you
would find a far different RCC arising from the ashes of its sin
stained past.
Perhaps you don't remember the Boston Globe stories in 2002.
Then, you don't recall the USA Bishops conference in 2002 in Dallas.
Many protocols changed. Attitudes changed. Rules changed. AND...
most importantly, the Vatican was pissed off that the USA Bishops took
action before they could even look at those actions.

It took 2 years for the Vatican to take strong actions. And sent out
new protocls. And still today, not all the bishops in the world are
happy with those new rules. That is why other countries keep being
slapped around with law suits and prosecutions.
BUT, there are no such groups within the church, just the hurting
parents and damaged children who were raped by the priests and
molested by nun's.
<Yawn>
Look up the group: SNAP.
Look up the Penn Attorney Generals.
Look up the "bishop accountability" doober on google.
And then look at every single Catholic diocese in the USA.
There are phone numbers where people are asked to call for help.
And there is no mistaking the support you and Earl give to the RCB and
the RCC especially since you all have declared yourselves as avowed
sinners in need of penance.
We are all sinners, bobbo.
Even you.
Stop trying to make your trip to heaven an easy and wide path.
It isn't there.
Mattb
2020-02-12 19:20:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Why do you use it as your first name?
Like I have said over and over and over because I don't care for my
first name. It is on all legal documents even those you claim to have
seen.
It has been interesting watching you lie and look. Yet how that helps
you defend pedophiles, false doctrine and fake traditions I really
don't know.
It is your game.
I am just playing along.
What you didn't think you knew my address when you threatened to
visit me with all your expert weapons training or to visit my kids?
It is yer game, larry.
If you don't like the rules, stop playing.
Well you know the rules and they apply both directions.
I don't like your rules.
You are allowed to call all catholic priests pedophiles, but if we try
to tell you that we are not, then you claim we defend people like
larry.
Get rid of your whiney little baby rule.
Look Pat, those who support them are for them and their sins.
That is so bogus.
Yesterday a cop was arrested for child rape.
Many people support the police department.
That does not mean that they support the rapist.
Did the police department move him around from job to job hiding
and aiding this man.

Does this man claim to serve God?
Post by Patrick B
I also support ther police department.
And I respect that they protect and serve.
I support no pedo's - whether they are priests, coaches, or cops.
They are
as guilty then as the actual perps. Therefore criticism is applicable
to all but those who stand out and speak against such sinful
behaviors.
Read my statement above.
BTW, a burger king employee was arrested for child porn last week.
I still like to have a WHopper once in a while.
And nope - I do not support that porn king either.
Most priest dare not buck the RCB, so the are forced to tacitly agree
that the sinning priests are the norm.
No, they don't.
Stop making up shit.
Same for all the parishioners
who stand for the RCC with all of its sins.
Do you kneel for dwain?
If any group, no matter how small, were to stand and fight, then they
would clarify their thoughts before the general public and be a stick
in the eye of the RCB for the public around the world to see. Then you
would find a far different RCC arising from the ashes of its sin
stained past.
Perhaps you don't remember the Boston Globe stories in 2002.
Then, you don't recall the USA Bishops conference in 2002 in Dallas.
Many protocols changed. Attitudes changed. Rules changed. AND...
most importantly, the Vatican was pissed off that the USA Bishops took
action before they could even look at those actions.
It took 2 years for the Vatican to take strong actions. And sent out
new protocls. And still today, not all the bishops in the world are
happy with those new rules. That is why other countries keep being
slapped around with law suits and prosecutions.
BUT, there are no such groups within the church, just the hurting
parents and damaged children who were raped by the priests and
molested by nun's.
<Yawn>
Look up the group: SNAP.
Look up the Penn Attorney Generals.
Look up the "bishop accountability" doober on google.
And then look at every single Catholic diocese in the USA.
There are phone numbers where people are asked to call for help.
And there is no mistaking the support you and Earl give to the RCB and
the RCC especially since you all have declared yourselves as avowed
sinners in need of penance.
We are all sinners, bobbo.
Even you.
Stop trying to make your trip to heaven an easy and wide path.
It isn't there.
%
2020-02-12 19:44:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Patrick B
Why do you use it as your first name?
Like I have said over and over and over because I don't care for my
first name. It is on all legal documents even those you claim to have
seen.
It has been interesting watching you lie and look. Yet how that helps
you defend pedophiles, false doctrine and fake traditions I really
don't know.
It is your game.
I am just playing along.
What you didn't think you knew my address when you threatened to
visit me with all your expert weapons training or to visit my kids?
It is yer game, larry.
If you don't like the rules, stop playing.
Well you know the rules and they apply both directions.
I don't like your rules.
You are allowed to call all catholic priests pedophiles, but if we try
to tell you that we are not, then you claim we defend people like
larry.
Get rid of your whiney little baby rule.
Look Pat, those who support them are for them and their sins.
That is so bogus.
Yesterday a cop was arrested for child rape.
Many people support the police department.
That does not mean that they support the rapist.
Did the police department move him around from job to job hiding
and aiding this man.
Does this man claim to serve God?
god hasn't placed his order yet
Post by Patrick B
I also support ther police department.
And I respect that they protect and serve.
I support no pedo's - whether they are priests, coaches, or cops.
They are
as guilty then as the actual perps. Therefore criticism is applicable
to all but those who stand out and speak against such sinful
behaviors.
Read my statement above.
BTW, a burger king employee was arrested for child porn last week.
I still like to have a WHopper once in a while.
And nope - I do not support that porn king either.
Most priest dare not buck the RCB, so the are forced to tacitly agree
that the sinning priests are the norm.
No, they don't.
Stop making up shit.
Same for all the parishioners
who stand for the RCC with all of its sins.
Do you kneel for dwain?
If any group, no matter how small, were to stand and fight, then they
would clarify their thoughts before the general public and be a stick
in the eye of the RCB for the public around the world to see. Then you
would find a far different RCC arising from the ashes of its sin
stained past.
Perhaps you don't remember the Boston Globe stories in 2002.
Then, you don't recall the USA Bishops conference in 2002 in Dallas.
Many protocols changed. Attitudes changed. Rules changed. AND...
most importantly, the Vatican was pissed off that the USA Bishops took
action before they could even look at those actions.
It took 2 years for the Vatican to take strong actions. And sent out
new protocls. And still today, not all the bishops in the world are
happy with those new rules. That is why other countries keep being
slapped around with law suits and prosecutions.
BUT, there are no such groups within the church, just the hurting
parents and damaged children who were raped by the priests and
molested by nun's.
<Yawn>
Look up the group: SNAP.
Look up the Penn Attorney Generals.
Look up the "bishop accountability" doober on google.
And then look at every single Catholic diocese in the USA.
There are phone numbers where people are asked to call for help.
And there is no mistaking the support you and Earl give to the RCB and
the RCC especially since you all have declared yourselves as avowed
sinners in need of penance.
We are all sinners, bobbo.
Even you.
Stop trying to make your trip to heaven an easy and wide path.
It isn't there.
Patrick B
2020-02-12 23:01:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Patrick B
Why do you use it as your first name?
Like I have said over and over and over because I don't care for my
first name. It is on all legal documents even those you claim to have
seen.
It has been interesting watching you lie and look. Yet how that helps
you defend pedophiles, false doctrine and fake traditions I really
don't know.
It is your game.
I am just playing along.
What you didn't think you knew my address when you threatened to
visit me with all your expert weapons training or to visit my kids?
It is yer game, larry.
If you don't like the rules, stop playing.
Well you know the rules and they apply both directions.
I don't like your rules.
You are allowed to call all catholic priests pedophiles, but if we try
to tell you that we are not, then you claim we defend people like
larry.
Get rid of your whiney little baby rule.
Look Pat, those who support them are for them and their sins.
That is so bogus.
Yesterday a cop was arrested for child rape.
Many people support the police department.
That does not mean that they support the rapist.
Did the police department move him around from job to job hiding
and aiding this man.
I dunno.
You can look it up if you like.
Post by Mattb
Does this man claim to serve God?
I dunno.
You can look it up if you like.
Robert
2020-02-13 23:37:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Why do you use it as your first name?
Like I have said over and over and over because I don't care for my
first name. It is on all legal documents even those you claim to have
seen.
It has been interesting watching you lie and look. Yet how that helps
you defend pedophiles, false doctrine and fake traditions I really
don't know.
It is your game.
I am just playing along.
What you didn't think you knew my address when you threatened to
visit me with all your expert weapons training or to visit my kids?
It is yer game, larry.
If you don't like the rules, stop playing.
Well you know the rules and they apply both directions.
I don't like your rules.
You are allowed to call all catholic priests pedophiles, but if we try
to tell you that we are not, then you claim we defend people like
larry.
Get rid of your whiney little baby rule.
Look Pat, those who support them are for them and their sins.
That is so bogus.
Yesterday a cop was arrested for child rape.
Many people support the police department.
That does not mean that they support the rapist.
I also support ther police department.
And I respect that they protect and serve.
I support no pedo's - whether they are priests, coaches, or cops.
They are
as guilty then as the actual perps. Therefore criticism is applicable
to all but those who stand out and speak against such sinful
behaviors.
Read my statement above.
BTW, a burger king employee was arrested for child porn last week.
I still like to have a WHopper once in a while.
And nope - I do not support that porn king either.
Most priest dare not buck the RCB, so the are forced to tacitly agree
that the sinning priests are the norm.
No, they don't.
Stop making up shit.
Same for all the parishioners
who stand for the RCC with all of its sins.
Do you kneel for dwain?
If any group, no matter how small, were to stand and fight, then they
would clarify their thoughts before the general public and be a stick
in the eye of the RCB for the public around the world to see. Then you
would find a far different RCC arising from the ashes of its sin
stained past.
Perhaps you don't remember the Boston Globe stories in 2002.
Then, you don't recall the USA Bishops conference in 2002 in Dallas.
Many protocols changed. Attitudes changed. Rules changed. AND...
most importantly, the Vatican was pissed off that the USA Bishops took
action before they could even look at those actions.
It took 2 years for the Vatican to take strong actions. And sent out
new protocls. And still today, not all the bishops in the world are
happy with those new rules. That is why other countries keep being
slapped around with law suits and prosecutions.
BUT, there are no such groups within the church, just the hurting
parents and damaged children who were raped by the priests and
molested by nun's.
<Yawn>
Look up the group: SNAP.
Look up the Penn Attorney Generals.
Look up the "bishop accountability" doober on google.
And then look at every single Catholic diocese in the USA.
There are phone numbers where people are asked to call for help.
And there is no mistaking the support you and Earl give to the RCB and
the RCC especially since you all have declared yourselves as avowed
sinners in need of penance.
We are all sinners, bobbo.
Even you.
Stop trying to make your trip to heaven an easy and wide path.
It isn't there.
PD's fire dirty cop's. They loose everything, retirement, vacation
pay, etc. Brought to an open shame and tried relentlessly because of
the crimes they did. No protection for the guilty.

They also DO NOT excuse away old crimes and misdemeanors.

They are far more honorable that the RC.

The path to heaven is narrow and easy because God is there every bit
of the day to support his Children.

The Pope is far off and has no time for you or people of your ilk, yet
you all call him Christ's duplicate here on earth. He is never with
you and has forsaken you before you were born.

From my new RCB/RCC app and sin counter you are over 50,000 dollars
worth on sin for this past week alone.

Did you know the RCC created this so friends and acquaintances can
keep track of the sins of those around them who are known RC's and
upload the results monthly so that the RCB knows it is not being
shortchanged by all the cheats?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Patrick B
2020-02-12 15:47:42 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:32:13 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 12:37:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:52:21 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:30:10 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Why should native people have to be exposed to
Christian missionaries and their diseases?
You have diseases?
Are you denying that millions of native people
died from the diseases spread by Chrisian missionaries?
+ Why would I deny that?
It is a fact that many indigenous peoples died because of
diseases
they contacted from the European invaders.
Do you actually think that this was the plan?
It was god's plan, no?
Why would it be?
You don't believe in god's perfect plan?
"Learn the lesson, today, of God’s perfect
"long-term" plan. He knows what He is doing
and He is bringing about His plan for us all."
https://catholic-daily-reflections.com/2019/12/16/the-perfect-plan-
of-g
od-
<Yawn>
Does every plan of yours work out?
You mean god's plans.........FAIL?
How can that be?
God does not plan out your life.
Your Catholic overlords say you are wrong.
"Reflect, today, upon the plan God has for your life.
He knows what He is doing and He is bringing about
His plan for us all. He is slowly and intentionally
guiding us along the path that leads to salvation
and peace."
https://catholic-daily-reflections.com/2019/12/16/the-perfect-plan-of-
god-3/
Do you follow God's plan?
If so, why are you such an ass hole?
Does God want you to be that ass hole?
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-12 18:34:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:32:13 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 12:37:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:52:21 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:30:10 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Why should native people have to be exposed to
Christian missionaries and their diseases?
You have diseases?
Are you denying that millions of native people
died from the diseases spread by Chrisian missionaries?
+ Why would I deny that?
It is a fact that many indigenous peoples died because of
diseases
they contacted from the European invaders.
Do you actually think that this was the plan?
It was god's plan, no?
Why would it be?
You don't believe in god's perfect plan?
"Learn the lesson, today, of God’s perfect
"long-term" plan. He knows what He is doing
and He is bringing about His plan for us all."
https://catholic-daily-reflections.com/2019/12/16/the-perfect-plan-
of-g
od-
<Yawn>
Does every plan of yours work out?
You mean god's plans.........FAIL?
How can that be?
God does not plan out your life.
Your Catholic overlords say you are wrong.
"Reflect, today, upon the plan God has for your life.
He knows what He is doing and He is bringing about
His plan for us all. He is slowly and intentionally
guiding us along the path that leads to salvation
and peace."
https://catholic-daily-reflections.com/2019/12/16/the-perfect-plan-of-
god-3/
Do you follow God's plan?
Why are you violating your Catholic doctrine?
Patrick B
2020-02-12 23:03:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mitchell Holman
Why are you violating your Catholic doctrine?
Why are you stalking me?
Robert
2020-02-13 23:11:47 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 12:34:15 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Patrick B
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:32:13 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Robert
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 12:37:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 07:52:21 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 20:30:10 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Why should native people have to be exposed to
Christian missionaries and their diseases?
You have diseases?
Are you denying that millions of native people
died from the diseases spread by Chrisian missionaries?
+ Why would I deny that?
It is a fact that many indigenous peoples died because of
diseases
they contacted from the European invaders.
Do you actually think that this was the plan?
It was god's plan, no?
Why would it be?
You don't believe in god's perfect plan?
"Learn the lesson, today, of God’s perfect
"long-term" plan. He knows what He is doing
and He is bringing about His plan for us all."
https://catholic-daily-reflections.com/2019/12/16/the-perfect-plan-
of-g
od-
<Yawn>
Does every plan of yours work out?
You mean god's plans.........FAIL?
How can that be?
God does not plan out your life.
Your Catholic overlords say you are wrong.
"Reflect, today, upon the plan God has for your life.
He knows what He is doing and He is bringing about
His plan for us all. He is slowly and intentionally
guiding us along the path that leads to salvation
and peace."
https://catholic-daily-reflections.com/2019/12/16/the-perfect-plan-of-
god-3/
Do you follow God's plan?
Why are you violating your Catholic doctrine?
Amazing, One of these days he is going to wake up and REALLY Wake up.

Boy will he have a surprise waiting for him.

BTW, I have a post in holding, a reply to your question/s on the
verses you supplied. I had actually a reply written out for it, but
something told me to hold off on it. So I deleted the entire reply,
and actually felt good about putting all that work up in smoke. :)

I think I was shown a far better answer, so we'll see when I post it
soon. It actually, your thoughts, fed into an unresolved answer of
mine as well.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
----------- A t h e i s t ------------
2020-02-13 06:18:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Do you follow God's plan?
You appear to need an imaginary person to tell you what to do (likely
because you have no confidence in yourself to control your own life).
You've fallen for fraud that [imaginary] god created you without
ability to decide on your own how to lead a good moral life.
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
Patrick B
2020-02-13 13:47:35 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 22:18:01 -0800, ----------- A t h e i s t
Post by ----------- A t h e i s t ------------
Post by Patrick B
Do you follow God's plan?
You appear to need an imaginary person to tell you what to do (likely
because you have no confidence in yourself to control your own life).
You've fallen for fraud that [imaginary] god created you without
ability to decide on your own how to lead a good moral life.
And.......?
----------- A t h e i s t ------------
2020-02-13 14:13:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 22:18:01 -0800, ----------- A t h e i s t
Post by ----------- A t h e i s t ------------
Post by Patrick B
Do you follow God's plan?
You appear to need an imaginary person to tell you what to do (likely
because you have no confidence in yourself to control your own life).
You've fallen for fraud that [imaginary] god created you without
ability to decide on your own how to lead a good moral life.
And.......?
And what?
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
Patrick B
2020-02-13 15:38:10 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 06:13:51 -0800, ----------- A t h e i s t
Post by ----------- A t h e i s t ------------
Post by Patrick B
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 22:18:01 -0800, ----------- A t h e i s t
Post by ----------- A t h e i s t ------------
Post by Patrick B
Do you follow God's plan?
You appear to need an imaginary person to tell you what to do (likely
because you have no confidence in yourself to control your own life).
You've fallen for fraud that [imaginary] god created you without
ability to decide on your own how to lead a good moral life.
And.......?
And what?
That is my question....
Patrick B
2020-02-12 15:49:19 UTC
Permalink
EVERY religion considers their followers
to be "god's chosen people".
Tough.
Read the Bible and get back to me.
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-12 18:37:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
EVERY religion considers their followers
to be "god's chosen people".
Tough.
Read the Bible and get back to me.
Been there done that.

Like most atheists I know more about
the Bible than Christians in general
and Catholics in particular.




Atheists Know More about Religion than Christians
June 1, 2011

Today the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life
released the results of a new "religious knowledge"
survey that came to a discouraging — but not unexpected
result. It discovered that, on average, atheists and
agnostics are more knowledgeable about religion than
believers.

Why do atheists and agnostics tend to know more about
religion than devout religious people? Alan Cooperman,
associate director for research at the Pew Forum,
explained that non-believers typically grew up in a
religious tradition and gave it up on purpose — after
a period of reflection, study, and conscious decision-
making. "These are people who thought a lot about
religion," he told the L.A. Times. "They’re not
indifferent. They care about it."

On the other hand, many Christians come to faith and
then stop searching. The L.A. Times story also quotes
Methodist minister Adam Hamilton, author of When
Christians Get It Wrong, who said, "I think that what
happens for many Christians is, they accept their
particular faith, they accept it to be true and they
stop examining it. Consequently, because it’s already
accepted to be true, they don’t examine other people’s
faiths. That, I think is not healthy for a person of
any faith."
http://tinyurl.com/29vob3y
Patrick B
2020-02-12 23:05:11 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 12:37:29 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Patrick B
EVERY religion considers their followers
to be "god's chosen people".
Tough.
Read the Bible and get back to me.
Been there done that.
Is that we came back to me?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Like most atheists I know more about
the Bible than Christians in general
and Catholics in particular.
Just because someone posts an opinion piece, this doesn't make it
true. What are you........... stupid?
Post by Mitchell Holman
http://tinyurl.com/29vob3y
Hmmm...can’t reach this page
Try this
Make sure you’ve got the right web address: http://blog.beliefnet.com
Search for "http://blog.beliefnet.com" on Bing
Mitchell Holman
2020-02-13 02:03:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 12:37:29 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Patrick B
EVERY religion considers their followers
to be "god's chosen people".
Tough.
Read the Bible and get back to me.
Been there done that.
Is that we came back to me?
That isn't even a complete sentence,

Hitting the sarcamental wine again?
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Like most atheists I know more about
the Bible than Christians in general
and Catholics in particular.
Just because someone posts an opinion piece, this doesn't make it
true. What are you........... stupid?
Post by Mitchell Holman
http://tinyurl.com/29vob3y
Hmmm...can’t reach this page
Try this
Make sure you’ve got the right web address: http://blog.beliefnet.com
Search for "http://blog.beliefnet.com" on Bing
Patrick B
2020-02-13 13:49:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Patrick B
Read the Bible and get back to me.
Been there done that.
Is that we came back to me?
That isn't even a complete sentence,
You are correct.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Hitting the sarcamental wine again?
I don't "HIT" wine.
I hit whiners.
Come a little closer.
Kevrob
2020-02-13 07:24:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 12:37:29 -0600, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Patrick B
EVERY religion considers their followers
to be "god's chosen people".
Tough.
Read the Bible and get back to me.
Been there done that.
Is that we came back to me?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Like most atheists I know more about
the Bible than Christians in general
and Catholics in particular.
Just because someone posts an opinion piece, this doesn't make it
true. What are you........... stupid?
Post by Mitchell Holman
http://tinyurl.com/29vob3y
Hmmm...can’t reach this page
Try this
Make sure you’ve got the right web address: http://blog.beliefnet.com
Search for "http://blog.beliefnet.com" on Bing
Try:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/Atheists-know-more Or:

https://tinyurl.com/Atheists-know-more

...which resolves to:

https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/omeoflittlefaith/2010/09/atheists-know-more-about-the-bible-than-christians.html

--
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Patrick B
2020-02-12 15:49:50 UTC
Permalink
Patrick is that why you spend so much time in public restrooms for
the sound and smell? Just stay away from schools please.
did you open the box again, larry?
Did Barbara Barker really help you molest kids?
Why do you want to be outed?
Did Barbara Barker really help you molest kids?
Keep doing that ass hole.
Mattb
2020-02-12 19:06:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Patrick is that why you spend so much time in public restrooms for
the sound and smell? Just stay away from schools please.
did you open the box again, larry?
Did Barbara Barker really help you molest kids?
Why do you want to be outed?
Did Barbara Barker really help you molest kids?
Keep doing that ass hole.
Why do you want to be outed?
%
2020-02-12 19:42:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Patrick is that why you spend so much time in public restrooms for
the sound and smell? Just stay away from schools please.
did you open the box again, larry?
Did Barbara Barker really help you molest kids?
Why do you want to be outed?
Did Barbara Barker really help you molest kids?
Keep doing that ass hole.
Why do you want to be outed?
why do you type like a baby
Rod B.
2020-02-12 18:40:45 UTC
Permalink
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
What is it that makes a God a God? You tell me for once..
Not sure how to answer that, not force and not a book. I've
never been able to define what the word god truly means I admit
because you and I could go back far enough with our current tech and
be called gods.
After thinking it over my self for a while...I cannot honestly say
that I know the answer either!
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
The RCC has murdered for centuries and rather evil people excuse that
murder.
Murder is often seen as precipitating a change in the nature
and the consciousness of the universe. Only the body is temporary..
Then like Islam does today it is excusable because of some priest?
If a priest told me to kill because god wanted it done I'd reject that
and ask why can't this god do it himself.
Mattb
2020-02-12 19:05:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rod B.
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
What is it that makes a God a God? You tell me for once..
Not sure how to answer that, not force and not a book. I've
never been able to define what the word god truly means I admit
because you and I could go back far enough with our current tech and
be called gods.
After thinking it over my self for a while...I cannot honestly say
that I know the answer either!
I've asked on many NGs for a Definition and never got one that
wasn't aimed at a religious book of some kind. Atheist don't have one
and neither do the fundies.
Post by Rod B.
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
The RCC has murdered for centuries and rather evil people excuse that
murder.
Murder is often seen as precipitating a change in the nature
and the consciousness of the universe. Only the body is temporary..
Then like Islam does today it is excusable because of some priest?
If a priest told me to kill because god wanted it done I'd reject that
and ask why can't this god do it himself.
%
2020-02-12 19:42:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Rod B.
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
What is it that makes a God a God? You tell me for once..
Not sure how to answer that, not force and not a book. I've
never been able to define what the word god truly means I admit
because you and I could go back far enough with our current tech and
be called gods.
After thinking it over my self for a while...I cannot honestly say
that I know the answer either!
I've asked on many NGs for a Definition and never got one that
wasn't aimed at a religious book of some kind. Atheist don't have one
and neither do the fundies.
Jump to navigation
Jump to search
This article is about the concept of a supreme "God" in the context of
monotheism. For the general concept of a being superior to humans that
is worshiped as "a god", see Deity and God (male deity). For God in
specific religions, see Conceptions of God. For other uses of the term,
see God (disambiguation).




Many religions use images to "represent" God in icons for art or for
worship. Here are some examples of representations of God in
Christianity and various branches of Hinduism.
Part of a series on
God
General conceptions
[show]
Specific conceptions
[show]
In particular religions
[show]
Attributes
[show]
ExperiencesPractices
[show]
Related topics
[show]
vte
In monotheistic thought, God is conceived of as the supreme being,
creator deity, and principal object of faith.[1] God is usually
conceived as being omniscient (all-knowing), omnipotent (all-powerful),
omnipresent (all-present) and as having an eternal and necessary
existence. These attributes are used either in way of analogy or are
taken literally. God is most often held to be incorporeal
(immaterial).[1][2][3] Incorporeality and corporeality of God are
related to conceptions of transcendence (being outside nature) and
immanence (being in nature) of God, with positions of synthesis such as
the "immanent transcendence".
Some religions describe God without reference to gender, while others or
their translations use terminology that is gender-specific and
gender-biased.
God has been conceived as either personal or impersonal. In theism, God
is the creator and sustainer of the universe, while in deism, God is the
creator, but not the sustainer, of the universe. In pantheism, God is
the universe itself. In atheism, there is an absence of belief in God.
In agnosticism, the existence of God is deemed unknown or unknowable.
God has also been conceived as the source of all moral obligation, and
the "greatest conceivable existent".[1] Many notable philosophers have
developed arguments for and against the existence of God.[4]
Monotheists refer to their gods using names prescribed by their
respective religions, with some of these names referring to certain
cultural ideas about their god's identity and attributes. In the ancient
Egyptian era of Atenism, possibly the earliest recorded monotheistic
religion, this deity was called Aten,[5] premised on being the one
"true" Supreme Being and creator of the universe.[6] In the Hebrew Bible
and Judaism, Elohim, Adonai, YHWH (Hebrew: יהוה‎) and other names are
used as the names of God. Yahweh and Jehovah, possible vocalizations of
YHWH, are used in Christianity. In the Christian doctrine of the
Trinity, God, coexisting in three "persons", is called the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit. In Islam, the name Allah is used, while
Muslims also have a multitude of titular names for God. In Hinduism,
Brahman is often considered a monistic concept of God.[7] In Chinese
religion, Shangdi is conceived as the progenitor (first ancestor) of the
universe, intrinsic to it and constantly bringing order to it. Other
religions have names for the concept of God, including Baha in the
Bahá'í Faith,[8] Waheguru in Sikhism,[9] Sang Hyang Widhi Wasa in
Balinese Hinduism,[10] and Ahura Mazda in Zoroastrianism.[11]
The many different conceptions of God, and competing claims as to God's
characteristics, aims, and actions, have led to the development of ideas
of omnitheism, pandeism,[12] or a perennial philosophy, which postulates
that there is one underlying theological truth, of which all religions
express a partial understanding, and as to which "the devout in the
various great world religions are in fact worshipping that one God, but
through different, overlapping concepts".[13]
Post by Mattb
Post by Rod B.
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
The RCC has murdered for centuries and rather evil people excuse that
murder.
Murder is often seen as precipitating a change in the nature
and the consciousness of the universe. Only the body is temporary..
Then like Islam does today it is excusable because of some priest?
If a priest told me to kill because god wanted it done I'd reject that
and ask why can't this god do it himself.
Mattb
2020-02-12 19:48:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by %
Post by Mattb
Post by Rod B.
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
What is it that makes a God a God? You tell me for once..
Not sure how to answer that, not force and not a book. I've
never been able to define what the word god truly means I admit
because you and I could go back far enough with our current tech and
be called gods.
After thinking it over my self for a while...I cannot honestly say
that I know the answer either!
I've asked on many NGs for a Definition and never got one that
wasn't aimed at a religious book of some kind. Atheist don't have one
and neither do the fundies.
Then show me this God you have defined?
Post by %
Jump to navigation
Jump to search
This article is about the concept of a supreme "God" in the context of
monotheism. For the general concept of a being superior to humans that
is worshiped as "a god", see Deity and God (male deity). For God in
specific religions, see Conceptions of God. For other uses of the term,
see God (disambiguation).
Many religions use images to "represent" God in icons for art or for
worship. Here are some examples of representations of God in
Christianity and various branches of Hinduism.
Part of a series on
God
General conceptions
[show]
Specific conceptions
[show]
In particular religions
[show]
Attributes
[show]
ExperiencesPractices
[show]
Related topics
[show]
vte
In monotheistic thought, God is conceived of as the supreme being,
creator deity, and principal object of faith.[1] God is usually
conceived as being omniscient (all-knowing), omnipotent (all-powerful),
omnipresent (all-present) and as having an eternal and necessary
existence. These attributes are used either in way of analogy or are
taken literally. God is most often held to be incorporeal
(immaterial).[1][2][3] Incorporeality and corporeality of God are
related to conceptions of transcendence (being outside nature) and
immanence (being in nature) of God, with positions of synthesis such as
the "immanent transcendence".
Some religions describe God without reference to gender, while others or
their translations use terminology that is gender-specific and
gender-biased.
God has been conceived as either personal or impersonal. In theism, God
is the creator and sustainer of the universe, while in deism, God is the
creator, but not the sustainer, of the universe. In pantheism, God is
the universe itself. In atheism, there is an absence of belief in God.
In agnosticism, the existence of God is deemed unknown or unknowable.
God has also been conceived as the source of all moral obligation, and
the "greatest conceivable existent".[1] Many notable philosophers have
developed arguments for and against the existence of God.[4]
Monotheists refer to their gods using names prescribed by their
respective religions, with some of these names referring to certain
cultural ideas about their god's identity and attributes. In the ancient
Egyptian era of Atenism, possibly the earliest recorded monotheistic
religion, this deity was called Aten,[5] premised on being the one
"true" Supreme Being and creator of the universe.[6] In the Hebrew Bible
and Judaism, Elohim, Adonai, YHWH (Hebrew: ?????) and other names are
used as the names of God. Yahweh and Jehovah, possible vocalizations of
YHWH, are used in Christianity. In the Christian doctrine of the
Trinity, God, coexisting in three "persons", is called the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit. In Islam, the name Allah is used, while
Muslims also have a multitude of titular names for God. In Hinduism,
Brahman is often considered a monistic concept of God.[7] In Chinese
religion, Shangdi is conceived as the progenitor (first ancestor) of the
universe, intrinsic to it and constantly bringing order to it. Other
religions have names for the concept of God, including Baha in the
Bahá'í Faith,[8] Waheguru in Sikhism,[9] Sang Hyang Widhi Wasa in
Balinese Hinduism,[10] and Ahura Mazda in Zoroastrianism.[11]
The many different conceptions of God, and competing claims as to God's
characteristics, aims, and actions, have led to the development of ideas
of omnitheism, pandeism,[12] or a perennial philosophy, which postulates
that there is one underlying theological truth, of which all religions
express a partial understanding, and as to which "the devout in the
various great world religions are in fact worshipping that one God, but
through different, overlapping concepts".[13]
Post by Mattb
Post by Rod B.
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
The RCC has murdered for centuries and rather evil people excuse that
murder.
Murder is often seen as precipitating a change in the nature
and the consciousness of the universe. Only the body is temporary..
Then like Islam does today it is excusable because of some priest?
If a priest told me to kill because god wanted it done I'd reject that
and ask why can't this god do it himself.
%
2020-02-12 19:58:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Rod B.
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
What is it that makes a God a God? You tell me for once..
Not sure how to answer that, not force and not a book. I've
never been able to define what the word god truly means I admit
because you and I could go back far enough with our current tech and
be called gods.
After thinking it over my self for a while...I cannot honestly say
that I know the answer either!
I've asked on many NGs for a Definition and never got one that
wasn't aimed at a religious book of some kind. Atheist don't have one
and neither do the fundies.
Then show me this God you have defined?
i'd be more than happy to show you come on over and i'll show you ,
if you don't show up it will prove you know i'm right
Mattb
2020-02-12 23:56:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by %
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Rod B.
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
What is it that makes a God a God? You tell me for once..
Not sure how to answer that, not force and not a book. I've
never been able to define what the word god truly means I admit
because you and I could go back far enough with our current tech and
be called gods.
After thinking it over my self for a while...I cannot honestly say
that I know the answer either!
I've asked on many NGs for a Definition and never got one that
wasn't aimed at a religious book of some kind. Atheist don't have one
and neither do the fundies.
Then show me this God you have defined?
i'd be more than happy to show you come on over and i'll show you ,
if you don't show up it will prove you know i'm right
What is your name and address?
%
2020-02-13 00:13:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by %
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Rod B.
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
What is it that makes a God a God? You tell me for once..
Not sure how to answer that, not force and not a book. I've
never been able to define what the word god truly means I admit
because you and I could go back far enough with our current tech and
be called gods.
After thinking it over my self for a while...I cannot honestly say
that I know the answer either!
I've asked on many NGs for a Definition and never got one that
wasn't aimed at a religious book of some kind. Atheist don't have one
and neither do the fundies.
Then show me this God you have defined?
i'd be more than happy to show you come on over and i'll show you ,
if you don't show up it will prove you know i'm right
What is your name and address?
i'll tell you how to get here in steps ,
and i'll guide you to the door ,
first go to canada
Patrick B
2020-02-13 13:50:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by %
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Rod B.
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
What is it that makes a God a God? You tell me for once..
Not sure how to answer that, not force and not a book. I've
never been able to define what the word god truly means I admit
because you and I could go back far enough with our current tech and
be called gods.
After thinking it over my self for a while...I cannot honestly say
that I know the answer either!
I've asked on many NGs for a Definition and never got one that
wasn't aimed at a religious book of some kind. Atheist don't have one
and neither do the fundies.
Then show me this God you have defined?
i'd be more than happy to show you come on over and i'll show you ,
if you don't show up it will prove you know i'm right
What is your name and address?
You first, larry.
Patrick B
2020-02-14 00:12:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Post by %
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Rod B.
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
What is it that makes a God a God? You tell me for once..
Not sure how to answer that, not force and not a book. I've
never been able to define what the word god truly means I admit
because you and I could go back far enough with our current tech and
be called gods.
After thinking it over my self for a while...I cannot honestly say
that I know the answer either!
I've asked on many NGs for a Definition and never got one that
wasn't aimed at a religious book of some kind. Atheist don't have one
and neither do the fundies.
Then show me this God you have defined?
i'd be more than happy to show you come on over and i'll show you ,
if you don't show up it will prove you know i'm right
What is your name and address?
You first, larry.
Patrick do you speak for '%' or is percent you?
C'mon, larry, give it up.
Mattb
2020-02-14 02:12:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Post by %
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Rod B.
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
What is it that makes a God a God? You tell me for once..
Not sure how to answer that, not force and not a book. I've
never been able to define what the word god truly means I admit
because you and I could go back far enough with our current tech and
be called gods.
After thinking it over my self for a while...I cannot honestly say
that I know the answer either!
I've asked on many NGs for a Definition and never got one that
wasn't aimed at a religious book of some kind. Atheist don't have one
and neither do the fundies.
Then show me this God you have defined?
i'd be more than happy to show you come on over and i'll show you ,
if you don't show up it will prove you know i'm right
What is your name and address?
You first, larry.
Patrick do you speak for '%' or is percent you?
C'mon, xxxxx give it up.
Give up what opposing pedophilia?

Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
Patrick B
2020-02-14 13:00:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry. You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name. But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
Mattb
2020-02-14 19:32:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry.
Can you produce this evidence?

Do so here.
Post by Patrick B
You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name.
Have I where is the evidence of this.

Place it here.
Post by Patrick B
But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
This is just another lie of Patrick's
Patrick B
2020-02-14 23:24:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry.
Can you produce this evidence?
Why do I have to, larry?
I know that you exist.
I know that you change your name to hide from others.
And I know you live in Skaggit County, WA.
Look up the Sex Offender list.
Your name is on it.
Post by Mattb
Post by Patrick B
You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name.
Have I where is the evidence of this.
See above.
Mattb
2020-02-15 01:47:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry.
Can you produce this evidence?
Why do I have to, larry?
I've never met this Larry
Post by Patrick B
I know that you exist.
Yes I exist.
Post by Patrick B
I know that you change your name to hide from others.
Do I what names?
Post by Patrick B
And I know you live in Skaggit County, WA.
Yes
Post by Patrick B
Look up the Sex Offender list.
Your name is on it.
That is a lie.
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Post by Patrick B
You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name.
Have I where is the evidence of this.
See above.
See accusations but no evidence.
Robert
2020-02-14 20:18:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry. You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name. But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
Should you fall into the cesspool at your house no one will be able to
ID you from all the rest bobbing around. They will cover it back up
and seal it properly after the attempt.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Patrick B
2020-02-14 23:25:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry. You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name. But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
Should you fall into the cesspool at your house no one will be able to
ID you from all the rest bobbing around. They will cover it back up
and seal it properly after the attempt.
I have no cesspool.
I live in the Suburbs and am connected to water and sewer.
My latest bill was $78.00
Miloch
2020-02-14 23:29:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry. You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name. But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
Should you fall into the cesspool at your house no one will be able to
ID you from all the rest bobbing around. They will cover it back up
and seal it properly after the attempt.
I have no cesspool.
I live in the Suburbs and am connected to water and sewer.
My latest bill was $78.00
How about electricity?....got any of that stuff...or are we talking candle power
and a wood burning stove?


*
Miloch
2020-02-15 15:46:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Miloch
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry. You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name. But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
Should you fall into the cesspool at your house no one will be able to
ID you from all the rest bobbing around. They will cover it back up
and seal it properly after the attempt.
I have no cesspool.
I live in the Suburbs and am connected to water and sewer.
My latest bill was $78.00
How about electricity?....got any of that stuff...or are we talking candle power
and a wood burning stove?
Uh, yes, I have electricity AND natural gas service.
Even garbage service.
My latest electric bill is $67.15
My latest gas bill is $76.70
Eh...got ya beat...latest electric is $23.68
latest gas is $18.74
Electric generation charge $30.73

I'm a middleclass suburban hermit who's been known to yell at the clouds and
feed his backyard wild birds better than he feeds himself.



*
And before you say those bills are low, let me explain to you that I
changed to natual gas heat 20 years ago, and I tripled the insulation
in my attic around 7-8 years ago.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
My mom used to live in Montana and did have a wood burning stove in
her living room. This was up to about 6-7 years ago. She used to cut
her own wood, and drive up to about 88 years old. My sister and I
convinced her to leave Montana for one of our homes where she would
have life much easier. A neighbor lady (of hers) - also old -- had
taken her garbage out the back door to the garbage can, and tripped
and fell in the snow. She wasn't found for a few days.
Anyway, now Mom is doing well and she will be 94 this year.
Thanks for asking.
...mother lived to age 91



*
Mattb
2020-02-15 20:03:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Miloch
Post by Miloch
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry. You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name. But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
Should you fall into the cesspool at your house no one will be able to
ID you from all the rest bobbing around. They will cover it back up
and seal it properly after the attempt.
I have no cesspool.
I live in the Suburbs and am connected to water and sewer.
My latest bill was $78.00
How about electricity?....got any of that stuff...or are we talking candle power
and a wood burning stove?
Uh, yes, I have electricity AND natural gas service.
Even garbage service.
My latest electric bill is $67.15
My latest gas bill is $76.70
Eh...got ya beat...latest electric is $23.68
latest gas is $18.74
Electric generation charge $30.73
I'm a middleclass suburban hermit who's been known to yell at the clouds and
feed his backyard wild birds better than he feeds himself.
Sounds like you are a good man.
Post by Miloch
*
And before you say those bills are low, let me explain to you that I
changed to natual gas heat 20 years ago, and I tripled the insulation
in my attic around 7-8 years ago.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
My mom used to live in Montana and did have a wood burning stove in
her living room. This was up to about 6-7 years ago. She used to cut
her own wood, and drive up to about 88 years old. My sister and I
convinced her to leave Montana for one of our homes where she would
have life much easier. A neighbor lady (of hers) - also old -- had
taken her garbage out the back door to the garbage can, and tripped
and fell in the snow. She wasn't found for a few days.
Anyway, now Mom is doing well and she will be 94 this year.
Thanks for asking.
...mother lived to age 91
*
%
2020-02-15 20:08:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Miloch
Post by Miloch
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry. You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name. But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
Should you fall into the cesspool at your house no one will be able to
ID you from all the rest bobbing around. They will cover it back up
and seal it properly after the attempt.
I have no cesspool.
I live in the Suburbs and am connected to water and sewer.
My latest bill was $78.00
How about electricity?....got any of that stuff...or are we talking candle power
and a wood burning stove?
Uh, yes, I have electricity AND natural gas service.
Even garbage service.
My latest electric bill is $67.15
My latest gas bill is $76.70
Eh...got ya beat...latest electric is $23.68
latest gas is $18.74
Electric generation charge $30.73
I'm a middleclass suburban hermit who's been known to yell at the clouds and
feed his backyard wild birds better than he feeds himself.
Sounds like you are a good man.
Post by Miloch
*
And before you say those bills are low, let me explain to you that I
changed to natual gas heat 20 years ago, and I tripled the insulation
in my attic around 7-8 years ago.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
My mom used to live in Montana and did have a wood burning stove in
her living room. This was up to about 6-7 years ago. She used to cut
her own wood, and drive up to about 88 years old. My sister and I
convinced her to leave Montana for one of our homes where she would
have life much easier. A neighbor lady (of hers) - also old -- had
taken her garbage out the back door to the garbage can, and tripped
and fell in the snow. She wasn't found for a few days.
Anyway, now Mom is doing well and she will be 94 this year.
Thanks for asking.
...mother lived to age 91
*
its not how long you live that matters
Patrick B
2020-02-15 21:31:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Miloch
Post by Miloch
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry. You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name. But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
Should you fall into the cesspool at your house no one will be able to
ID you from all the rest bobbing around. They will cover it back up
and seal it properly after the attempt.
I have no cesspool.
I live in the Suburbs and am connected to water and sewer.
My latest bill was $78.00
How about electricity?....got any of that stuff...or are we talking candle power
and a wood burning stove?
Uh, yes, I have electricity AND natural gas service.
Even garbage service.
My latest electric bill is $67.15
My latest gas bill is $76.70
Eh...got ya beat...latest electric is $23.68
latest gas is $18.74
Electric generation charge $30.73
I'm a middleclass suburban hermit who's been known to yell at the clouds and
feed his backyard wild birds better than he feeds himself.
OK.
My bride and I are in our 70's now and like to be warm in Winter
and cool in the Summer. Plus, we have a nice sized home 1970 square
feet, 3 BR, 2 Bath home with attached garage.

You should have seen my electric bill when we didn't have natural gas.
Heat Pump in the winter isn't all that efficient.
Post by Miloch
And before you say those bills are low, let me explain to you that I
changed to natual gas heat 20 years ago, and I tripled the insulation
in my attic around 7-8 years ago.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
My mom used to live in Montana and did have a wood burning stove in
her living room. This was up to about 6-7 years ago. She used to cut
her own wood, and drive up to about 88 years old. My sister and I
convinced her to leave Montana for one of our homes where she would
have life much easier. A neighbor lady (of hers) - also old -- had
taken her garbage out the back door to the garbage can, and tripped
and fell in the snow. She wasn't found for a few days.
Anyway, now Mom is doing well and she will be 94 this year.
Thanks for asking.
...mother lived to age 91
Good for her.
Mattb
2020-02-15 19:45:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Miloch
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry. You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name. But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
Should you fall into the cesspool at your house no one will be able to
ID you from all the rest bobbing around. They will cover it back up
and seal it properly after the attempt.
I have no cesspool.
I live in the Suburbs and am connected to water and sewer.
My latest bill was $78.00
How about electricity?....got any of that stuff...or are we talking candle power
and a wood burning stove?
Uh, yes, I have electricity AND natural gas service.
Even garbage service.
My latest electric bill is $67.15
My latest gas bill is $76.70
And before you say those bills are low, let me explain to you that I
changed to natual gas heat 20 years ago, and I tripled the insulation
in my attic around 7-8 years ago.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
My mom used to live in Montana and did have a wood burning stove in
her living room. This was up to about 6-7 years ago.
She used to cut
her own wood, and drive up to about 88 years old. My sister and I
convinced her to leave Montana for one of our homes where she would
have life much easier.
Are you claiming you own where you mom is now near Sacramento, CA?

What room is that 201?
A neighbor lady (of hers) - also old -- had
taken her garbage out the back door to the garbage can, and tripped
and fell in the snow. She wasn't found for a few days.
Anyway, now Mom is doing well and she will be 94 this year.
Thanks for asking.
Patrick B
2020-02-15 21:35:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by Miloch
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry. You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name. But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
Should you fall into the cesspool at your house no one will be able to
ID you from all the rest bobbing around. They will cover it back up
and seal it properly after the attempt.
I have no cesspool.
I live in the Suburbs and am connected to water and sewer.
My latest bill was $78.00
How about electricity?....got any of that stuff...or are we talking candle power
and a wood burning stove?
Uh, yes, I have electricity AND natural gas service.
Even garbage service.
My latest electric bill is $67.15
My latest gas bill is $76.70
And before you say those bills are low, let me explain to you that I
changed to natual gas heat 20 years ago, and I tripled the insulation
in my attic around 7-8 years ago.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
My mom used to live in Montana and did have a wood burning stove in
her living room. This was up to about 6-7 years ago.
She used to cut
her own wood, and drive up to about 88 years old. My sister and I
convinced her to leave Montana for one of our homes where she would
have life much easier.
Are you claiming you own where you mom is now near Sacramento, CA?
Nope.
My sister owns a home. I own a home. My sister and I told my mom
that she had to leave Montana where there was no family to assist her
anymore. Mom was given a choice to live with my sister or with me.
Post by Mattb
What room is that 201?
Mom lived with my sister and had her own in-law suite in Sacramento.
Now, she needs more help, and is in an assisted living home.
I do not know the apartment number.
Is it important to you?
Post by Mattb
A neighbor lady (of hers) - also old -- had
taken her garbage out the back door to the garbage can, and tripped
and fell in the snow. She wasn't found for a few days.
Anyway, now Mom is doing well and she will be 94 this year.
Thanks for asking.
Mattb
2020-02-15 21:50:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Post by Miloch
Post by Patrick B
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry. You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name. But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
Should you fall into the cesspool at your house no one will be able to
ID you from all the rest bobbing around. They will cover it back up
and seal it properly after the attempt.
I have no cesspool.
I live in the Suburbs and am connected to water and sewer.
My latest bill was $78.00
How about electricity?....got any of that stuff...or are we talking candle power
and a wood burning stove?
Uh, yes, I have electricity AND natural gas service.
Even garbage service.
My latest electric bill is $67.15
My latest gas bill is $76.70
And before you say those bills are low, let me explain to you that I
changed to natual gas heat 20 years ago, and I tripled the insulation
in my attic around 7-8 years ago.
BIG DIFFERENCE.
My mom used to live in Montana and did have a wood burning stove in
her living room. This was up to about 6-7 years ago.
She used to cut
her own wood, and drive up to about 88 years old. My sister and I
convinced her to leave Montana for one of our homes where she would
have life much easier.
Are you claiming you own where you mom is now near Sacramento, CA?
Nope.
My sister owns a home. I own a home. My sister and I told my mom
that she had to leave Montana where there was no family to assist her
anymore. Mom was given a choice to live with my sister or with me.
She choose where she is now, don't blame her.
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
What room is that 201?
Mom lived with my sister and had her own in-law suite in Sacramento.
Now, she needs more help, and is in an assisted living home.
I do not know the apartment number.
Is it important to you?
Your sister does not live in Sacramento.
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
A neighbor lady (of hers) - also old -- had
taken her garbage out the back door to the garbage can, and tripped
and fell in the snow. She wasn't found for a few days.
Anyway, now Mom is doing well and she will be 94 this year.
Thanks for asking.
Mattb
2020-02-15 01:48:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mattb
Patrick Barker and Larry Brooks are much alike am so glad I am no
relation to either.
After looking at all the evidence, it appears that you really are
larry. You have used various names in the past, and now you have
decided to use your own son's name. But, that has backfired, hasn't
it. But then, you are stuck with it for a while.
Should you fall into the cesspool at your house no one will be able to
ID you from all the rest bobbing around. They will cover it back up
and seal it properly after the attempt.
I have no cesspool.''
Yes you do it's name is Barbara.
I live in the Suburbs and am connected to water and sewer.
My latest bill was $78.00
Patrick B
2020-02-15 13:46:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
I have no cesspool.''
Yes you do it's name is Barbara.
Shaddup, larry.
Robert
2020-02-13 23:03:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by %
i'd be more than happy to show you come on over and i'll show you ,
if you don't show up it will prove you know i'm right
<splorf> it was for this type of thinking I KF's this person long ago.
Post by Mattb
What is your name and address?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Robert
2020-02-13 21:52:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rod B.
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
What is it that makes a God a God? You tell me for once..
Not sure how to answer that, not force and not a book. I've
never been able to define what the word god truly means I admit
because you and I could go back far enough with our current tech and
be called gods.
After thinking it over my self for a while...I cannot honestly say
that I know the answer either!
This is a question of which I have only a little insight at this time,
it is also similar to my question about the meaning of this verse,...

Exo 6:7  And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you
a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth
you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. 
('e?lo^hi^ym, elohiym)



Exo 7:1  And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a God to
Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. 
Exo 7:2  Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy
brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel
out of his land. 

Deu 29:12  That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the LORD thy
God, and into his oath, which the LORD thy God maketh with thee this
day: 
Deu 29:13  That he may establish thee to day for a people unto
himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto
thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and
to Jacob. 
Deu 29:14  Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this
oath; 
Deu 29:15  But with him that standeth here with us this day before the
LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day: 

Deu 32:3  Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye
greatness unto our God. 
Deu 32:4  He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are
judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. 

Here^^^^^it speaks to the ROCK, Jesus Christ, the rock that many beat
their heads upon until death. Mentioned elsewhere in the OT and New.

God has established himself as God of gods. Whatever we serve we make
to ouselves a god and we are motivated to give ourselves over
completely to fulfill a goal. Goals often rule our lives, drives us
on, some to be ruthless like a mogul who will do anything to gain
total control of something that others need, or want. Something that
religions have also been known to do.

Anyhow, if we read the books of the Pentatuch we can see all the
things that make up gods, and God's the creator. Part of which is the
knowledge of Good and Evil.


Deu 32 the chapter speaks of God, what he did for his chosen people
and why, why the division of the Lands, etc.

In Psa 82:6 the children of the most high are gods.
In the NT those who are born agan or (born of God) are likewise
children of God, and therefore......

In the end time
Psa 82:1  A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the
mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 

And the believer by Faith makes up the congregation.

Now obviously this all is not an answer that you are seeking, or it
might be, but should be a seed thought, to help. Also what will help
and help most of all is this,...

Mat 11:27  All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man
knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father,
save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. 
Post by Rod B.
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
The RCC has murdered for centuries and rather evil people excuse that
murder.
Murder is often seen as precipitating a change in the nature
and the consciousness of the universe. Only the body is temporary..
Then like Islam does today it is excusable because of some priest?
If a priest told me to kill because god wanted it done I'd reject that
and ask why can't this god do it himself.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Patrick B
2020-02-14 00:16:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Exo 7:1  And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a God to
Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. 
Exo 7:2  Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy
brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel
out of his land. 
Oh, get sick, get well
Hang around a ink well
Hang bail, hard to tell
If anything is goin' to sell
Try hard, get barred
Get back, write braille
Get jailed, jump bail
Join the army, if you fail
Look out kid
You're gonna get hit
But losers, cheaters
Six-time users
Hang around the theaters
Girl by the whirlpool
Lookin' for a new fool
Don't follow leaders, watch the parkin' meters
Kevrob
2020-02-12 20:13:23 UTC
Permalink
On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 6:41:48 PM UTC-5, Lucifer wrote:
to discover those things for ourselves.
God has all the worst human failings. Theists use the name of God
to threaten us if we don't tow the party line.
Religion is a curse, a blight on humanity. We could have achieved
so much more if we were not held back by religion.
This is all true, but if you don't write "toe the line" you are
doomed to "6th grade English Teachers' Hell." :)

--
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Don Martin
2020-02-13 11:35:47 UTC
Permalink
to discover those things for ourselves.
God has all the worst human failings. Theists use the name of God
to threaten us if we don't tow the party line.
Religion is a curse, a blight on humanity. We could have achieved
so much more if we were not held back by religion.
This is all true, but if you don't write "toe the line" you are
doomed to "6th grade English Teachers' Hell." :)
Be cheered by the fact that _somebody_ is attempting to drag the party
into the present.
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.
Kevrob
2020-02-12 21:05:50 UTC
Permalink
That still leaves virtually his whole
life (age zero to 30) unaccounted for.
Are there any accounts of ANYONE in
the vast throngs that he gathered
recognizing him from his first three
decades?
"The Messiah? From Bethlehem? Go on! That's Yeshu'a,
Yussef the carpenter's son from back in Nazareth!
We studied Hebrew for bar mitzvah from the same rabbi!
He's no more the `son of David' than I am Samson!"

According to Luke, he got a poor reception in the
old home town.

http://www.usccb.org/bible/luke/4 Or:

see Mark:6

[quote]

"Is he not the carpenter, the son of Mary, and the brother of James
and Joseph and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with
us?" And they took offense at him.

Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his
native place and among his own kin and in his own house." So he
was not able to perform any mighty deed there, apart from curing a
few sick people by laying his hands on them. He was amazed at their
lack of faith.

{Editor's note:

* [6:5] He was not able to perform any mighty deed there:
according to Mark, Jesus’ power could not take effect because
of a person’s lack of faith. }

[/quote] - http://www.usccb.org/bible/mark/6

That wasn't "wouldn't" do any mighty deeds, it was "couldn't."
The "omnipotence" takes a bit of a hit there, doesn't it?

There are non-canonical "Infancy Gospels" covering the
early life of Li'l Josh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infancy_Gospels#Infancy_gospels

--
Kevin R
a.a #2310
ravn
2020-02-12 21:29:28 UTC
Permalink
It was all about his office, not him.
Pelosi made that office a mockery!
She made a mockery of Trump. But as far as the office of the POTUS goes, that deserves to be mocked & denounced as well. Why are you upholding American imperialism? Is it because you're a fascist degenerate? You came here to wave a cross in everybody's face. You deserve to have it shoved up your ass w/o lubrication. Seriously.
Michael Christ
2020-02-13 04:35:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by ravn
It was all about his office, not him.
Pelosi made that office a mockery!
She made a mockery of Trump. But as far as the office of the POTUS goes, that deserves to be mocked & denounced as well. Why are you upholding American imperialism? Is it because you're a fascist degenerate? You came here to wave a cross in everybody's face. You deserve to have it shoved up your ass w/o lubrication. Seriously.
You're an stubborn ignorant fool.




Michael Christ
--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."
ravn
2020-02-14 22:18:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael Christ
You're an stubborn ignorant fool.
Talking out of your ass again about same?
Ted
2020-02-13 00:26:35 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:16:21 -0800 (PST), Ivan The Terrible
On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 10:54:17 AM UTC-8, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 08:23:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:26:30 +1100, Lucifer
I said nothing about its ok to kill a slave.
You did when you said your morality agrees with that of God.
In his bible God says it's OK to keep slaves and for the
master
to kill a slave as long as he does it properly.
Prove it.
Beating a slave to death is just fine as
long as she lingers for a day or two before
expiring.
See my reply to Lucifer. There is no proper way to kill a slave.
The passage speaks for itself. Slaves are
property, the owner can treat them as harshly
as he wants.
Even Roman slaves could make money on the
side and eventually buy their freedom, I see
nothing in the Bible permitting even that.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with
a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he
shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives
for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since
the slave is his own property.
(Exodus 21:20-21)
What is the relevance of a practice which disappeared 2000 years
ago?

That's not the point, moron.
You really are a joke.
You misspelled "I" and "am".
Ivan The Terrible
2020-02-13 07:04:25 UTC
Permalink
On Saturday, February 8, 2020 at 10:54:17 AM UTC-8, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 08:23:23 -0600, Mitchell Holman
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:26:30 +1100, Lucifer
I said nothing about its ok to kill a slave.
You did when you said your morality agrees with that of God.
In his bible God says it's OK to keep slaves and for the master
to kill a slave as long as he does it properly.
Prove it.
Beating a slave to death is just fine as
long as she lingers for a day or two before
expiring.
See my reply to Lucifer. There is no proper way to kill a slave.
The passage speaks for itself. Slaves are
property, the owner can treat them as harshly
as he wants.
Even Roman slaves could make money on the
side and eventually buy their freedom, I see
nothing in the Bible permitting even that.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with
a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he
shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives
for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since
the slave is his own property.
(Exodus 21:20-21)
What is the relevance of a practice which disappeared 2000 years ago?
You disapprove of what your own Torah says?
Does your Rabbi know that?
That's not what I said.
d***@cox.net
2020-02-13 20:09:27 UTC
Permalink
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
It has never happened.
Then who told Catholics to kill thousands under the Inquisition or
the Doctrine of Discovery? Both were founded by the RCC.
It was don't by the civil authority.
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2020-02-13 20:42:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
It has never happened.
Then who told Catholics to kill thousands under the Inquisition or
the Doctrine of Discovery? Both were founded by the RCC.
It was don't by the civil authority.
Which the RCC controlled.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-02-14 21:57:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
It has never happened.
Then who told Catholics to kill thousands under the Inquisition or
the Doctrine of Discovery? Both were founded by the RCC.
It was done by the civil authority.
Which the RCC controlled.
The guilty were guilty.
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2020-02-14 21:59:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
It has never happened.
Then who told Catholics to kill thousands under the Inquisition or
the Doctrine of Discovery? Both were founded by the RCC.
It was done by the civil authority.
Which the RCC controlled.
The guilty were guilty.
Then you admit the murders were done under the authority of the
RCC?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-02-15 20:20:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
It has never happened.
Then who told Catholics to kill thousands under the Inquisition or
the Doctrine of Discovery? Both were founded by the RCC.
It was done by the civil authority.
Which the RCC controlled.
The guilty were guilty.
Then you admit the murders were done under the authority of the
RCC?
The guilty were guilty. We were dealing with Emperor driven law in early
Europe.
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2020-02-15 21:31:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
It has never happened.
Then who told Catholics to kill thousands under the Inquisition or
the Doctrine of Discovery? Both were founded by the RCC.
It was done by the civil authority.
Which the RCC controlled.
The guilty were guilty.
Then you admit the murders were done under the authority of the
RCC?
The guilty were guilty. We were dealing with Emperor driven law in early
Europe.
Yes the Emperor and the RCC were one and the same. Why are you so
deceptive Earl Weber.

The atheist must love you coming to their NG as you show and prove
their point about the evils of some people religion.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
Ted
2020-02-16 09:07:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 12:42:17 -0800, Mattb
Post by Mattb
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 15:09:25 -0800, Mattb
On Sun, 09 Feb 2020 21:41:24 -0800, Mattb
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 22:14:42 -0600, "Rod B."
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:42:26 -0600, "Rod B."
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 09:51:38 -0600, "Rod B."
On Sat, 08 Feb 2020 10:25:48 -0500, Patrick B
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of
Christ.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the
Doctrine of Discovery.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope
Alexander VI issued the
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke.
"Good Catholics"
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
It has never happened.
Then who told Catholics to kill thousands under the
Inquisition or
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
the Doctrine of Discovery? Both were founded by the RCC.
It was done by the civil authority.
Which the RCC controlled.
The guilty were guilty.
Then you admit the murders were done under the authority of the
RCC?
The guilty were guilty. We were dealing with Emperor driven law in early
Europe.
Yes the Emperor and the RCC were one and the same. Why are you so
deceptive Earl Weber.
The atheist must love you coming to their NG as you show and prove
their point about the evils of some people religion.
Duke is just one of several. He and the other christers here are
conveying a clear and unmistakeable message from God.
d***@cox.net
2020-02-16 17:10:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
It has never happened.
Then who told Catholics to kill thousands under the Inquisition or
the Doctrine of Discovery? Both were founded by the RCC.
It was done by the civil authority.
Which the RCC controlled.
The guilty were guilty.
Then you admit the murders were done under the authority of the
RCC?
The guilty were guilty. We were dealing with Emperor driven law in early
Europe.
Yes the Emperor and the RCC were one and the same. Why are you so
deceptive Earl Weber.
I've been knowing that since the day before Moses parted the Red Sea.
Post by Mattb
The atheist must love you coming to their NG as you show and prove
their point about the evils of some people religion.
They need to learn the truth.
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-02-16 17:12:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
No one is outside Grace, only God can grant grace and he grants it to
sinners as well.
He offers it. He doesn't "grant" it.
Yet you are correct in that we cannot expect, nor should we expect the
Godless to behave like Christians. That is why there are laws of the
land set up for normal behavior and those laws vary from culture to
culture.
And that is why the Catholics sent missionaries out - to offer the
instruction and ability to beome followers of Christ.
No they sent them out to steal and kill.
Got some proof of that?
Let people look up the inquisition and the Doctrine of Discovery.
The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and
legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited
by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the
Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493.
I know it isn't murder if not Catholic.
it is murder in God's eyes.
Then it should be in people like Patrick and duke. "Good Catholics"
Is it murder in your eyes?
Yes to kill people based on religion or lack of it alone is murder. If
your God can't kill people on his own how did it create the universe
and is it really a God?
If your religion tells you to kill for your God it is a false religion
or a false teacher.
It has never happened.
Then who told Catholics to kill thousands under the Inquisition or
the Doctrine of Discovery? Both were founded by the RCC.
It was done by the civil authority.
Which the RCC controlled.
The guilty were guilty.
Then you admit the murders were done under the authority of the
RCC?
The guilty were guilty. We were dealing with Emperor driven law in early
Europe.
Yes the Emperor and the RCC were one and the same. Why are you so
deceptive Earl Weber.
The atheist must love you coming to their NG as you show and prove
their point about the evils of some people religion.
I prove my point, not theirs.
the dukester, American-American

Cloud Hobbit
2020-02-13 23:38:32 UTC
Permalink
duke lied:

He claims that the Inquisition and Doctrine of Discovery were the work of civil authorities.

Some different takes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

The Inquisition, in historical ecclesiastical parlance also referred to as the "Holy Inquisition", was a group of institutions within the Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy. The Inquisition started in 12th-century France to combat religious dissent, in particular the Cathars and the Waldensians. Other groups investigated later included the Spiritual Franciscans, the Hussites (followers of Jan Hus) and the Beguines. Beginning in the 1250s, inquisitors were generally chosen from members of the Dominican Order, replacing the earlier practice of using local clergy as judges.[1] The term Medieval Inquisition covers these courts up to mid-15th century.

Before 1100, the Catholic Church suppressed what they believed to be heresy, usually through a system of ecclesiastical proscription or imprisonment, but without using torture,[2] and seldom resorting to executions.[14][15] Such punishments were opposed by a number of clergymen and theologians, although some countries punished heresy with the death penalty.[16][17]

In the 12th century, to counter the spread of Catharism, prosecution of heretics became more frequent. The Church charged councils composed of bishops and archbishops with establishing inquisitions (the Episcopal Inquisition). The first Inquisition was temporarily established in Languedoc (south of France) in 1184. The murder of Pope Innocent's papal legate Pierre de Castelnau in 1208 sparked the Albigensian Crusade (1209–1229). The Inquisition was permanently established in 1229, run largely by the Dominicans[18] in Rome and later at Carcassonne in Languedoc.

https://www-history-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.history.com/.amp/topics/religion/inquisition?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15816365106542&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.history.com%2Ftopics%2Freligion%2Finquisition
The Inquisition was a powerful office set up within the Catholic Church to root out and punish heresy throughout Europe and the Americas. Beginning in the 12th century and continuing for hundreds of years, the Inquisition is infamous for the severity of its tortures and its persecution of Jews and Muslims. Its worst manifestation was in Spain, where the Spanish Inquisition was a dominant force for more than 200 years, resulting in some 32,000 executions.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/inquisition

In 1184 Pope Lucius III required bishops to make a judicial inquiry, or inquisition, for heresy in their dioceses, a provision renewed by the fourth Lateran Council in 1215. Episcopal inquisitions, however, proved ineffective because of the regional nature of the bishop’s power and because not all bishops introduced inquisitions in their dioceses; the papacy gradually assumed authority over the process, though bishops never lost the right to lead inquisitions. In 1227 Pope Gregory IX appointed the first judges delegate as inquisitors for heretical depravity—many, though not all, of whom were Dominican and Franciscan friars. Papal inquisitors had authority over everyone except bishops and their officials. There was no central authority to coordinate their activities, but after 1248 or 1249, when the first handbook of inquisitorial practice was written, inquisitors adopted common procedures.

Gregory IX, detail of a fresco, 13th century; in the lower church of Sacro Speco, Subiaco, Italy.
Gregory IX, detail of a fresco, 13th century; in the lower church of Sacro Speco, Subiaco, Italy.
Alinari/Art Resource, New York
In 1252 Pope Innocent IV licensed inquisitors to allow obdurate heretics to be tortured by lay henchmen. It is difficult to determine how common this practice was in the 13th century, but the inquisition certainly acquiesced in the use of torture in the trial of the Knights Templar, a military-religious order, in 1307. Persecution by the inquisition also contributed to the collapse of Catharism, a dualist heresy that had great influence in southern France and northern Italy, by about 1325; although established to defeat that heresy, the inquisition was assisted by the pastoral work of the mendicant orders in its triumph over the Cathars.


The inquisition declined in importance in the late Middle Ages, though it continued to try cases of heresy—e.g., the Waldenses, the Spiritual Franciscans, and the alleged heresy of the Free Spirit, a supposed sect of mystics who advocated antinomianism—and cases of sorcery. The most vigorous dissenting movements of the 15th century, Lollardy in England and Hussitism in Bohemia, were not subject to its jurisdiction.

Get exclusive access to content from our 1768 First Edition with your subscription.
Subscribe today
Procedures and organization
When instituting an inquiry in a district, an inquisitor would normally declare a period of grace during which those who voluntarily confessed their own involvement in heresy and that of others would be given only light penances. The inquisitor used these confessions to compile a list of suspects whom he summoned to his tribunal. Failure to appear was considered evidence of guilt. The trial was often a battle of wits between the inquisitor and the accused. The only other people present were a notary, who kept a record of the proceedings, and sworn witnesses, who attested the record’s accuracy. No lawyer would defend a suspect for fear of being accused of abetting heresy, and suspects were not normally told what charges had been made against them or by whom. The accused might appeal to the pope before proceedings began, but this involved considerable expense.

ADVERTISEMENT

After consulting with canon lawyers, the inquisitor would sentence those found guilty at a sermo generalis, or public homily. Judicial penances were imposed on those who had been convicted of heresy and had recanted. The most common punishments were penitential pilgrimages, the wearing of yellow crosses on clothing (which was feared because it led to ostracism), and imprisonment.

The inquisition employed two kinds of prisons, both staffed by laymen. One type was the murus largus, or open prison, which consisted of cells built around a courtyard in which the inmates enjoyed considerable freedom. The other type was the murus strictus, a high-security prison, where inmates were kept in solitary confinement, often in chains. Heretics who admitted their errors but refused to recant were handed over to the secular authorities and burned at the stake. There were usually not many cases of this kind, because the chief aim of the inquisitors was to reconcile heretics to the church. On rare occasions, however, large public executions did take place, as at Verona in 1278, when some 200 Cathars were burned.


SPONSORED BY SLEEP NUMBER
ULTIMATE SLEEP NUMBER® EVENT
Sleep Number
SPONSORED BY SLEEP NUMBER
ULTIMATE SLEEP NUMBER® EVENT
Although heresy was a capital offense in virtually all the states of western Europe, some rulers—for example, the kings of Castile and England—refused to license the inquisition. Even where it did operate—in much of Italy and in kingdoms such as France and Aragon—the inquisition relied entirely on the secular authorities to arrest and execute those whom it named and to defray all its expenses. The money came partly from the sale of the confiscated property of convicted heretics.

Although some scholars have denied that the medieval inquisition was an institution, others maintain that it is the best way to describe a group of men who enjoyed the same powers, were directly responsible to the pope, employed servants and officials, and had absolute control over a number of large prisons and their inmates. Nevertheless, its power was very limited, and, arguably, it was important chiefly because it established a tradition of religious coercion in the late medieval Western church that was inherited by both Catholics and Protestants in the 16th century.

https://upstanderproject.org/firstlight/doctrine

The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited by Christians. It has been invoked since Pope Alexander VI issued the Papal Bull “Inter Caetera” in 1493. The Papal decree aimed to justify Christian European explorers’ claims on land and waterways they allegedly discovered, and promote Christian domination and superiority, and has been applied in Africa, Asia, Australia, New Zealand, and the Americas. If an explorer proclaims to have discovered the land in the name of a Christian European monarch, plants a flag in its soil, and reports his “discovery” to the European rulers and returns to occupy it, the land is now his, even if someone else was there first. Should the original occupants insist on claiming that the land is theirs, the “discoverer” can label the occupants’ way of being on the land inadequate according to European standards. This ideology supported the dehumanization of those living on the land and their dispossession, murder, and forced assimilation. The Doctrine fueled white supremacy insofar as white European settlers claimed they were instruments of divine design and possessed cultural superiority.

The significance of the Doctrine continues to be debated. According to David Wilkins, “it is more complicated than just saying the Pope gave European Catholics the rights to colonize and convert. In reality, the absolute denial of Native land rights was replaced less than fifty years later when Charles V… sought the advice of Francisco de Vitoria … as to what the Spanish could legally and morally claim in the New World. Vitoria, in a clear rebuttal to the Pope and the discovery notion, declared that Native peoples were the true owners of their lands.”

You're a fucking liar, duke.
d***@cox.net
2020-02-14 22:15:03 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 15:38:32 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
He claims that the Inquisition and Doctrine of Discovery were the work of civil authorities.
No, I didn't. Slow down now and take note.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Some different takes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The Inquisition, in historical ecclesiastical parlance also referred to as the "Holy Inquisition",
was a group of institutions within the Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy.
No, not heresy in general, but Catholics pushing heresy as Christian truth.

Heresy in Christianity
Heresy in Christianity denotes the formal denial or doubt of a core doctrine of
the Christian faith as defined by one or more of the Christian churches.

the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2020-02-15 01:52:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 15:38:32 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
He claims that the Inquisition and Doctrine of Discovery were the work of civil authorities.
No, I didn't. Slow down now and take note.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Some different takes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The Inquisition, in historical ecclesiastical parlance also referred to as the "Holy Inquisition",
was a group of institutions within the Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy.
No, not heresy in general, but Catholics pushing heresy as Christian truth.
Heresy in Christianity
Heresy in Christianity denotes the formal denial or doubt of a core doctrine of
the Christian faith as defined by one or more of the Christian churches.
You believe the RCC has/had the right to kill any who disagree with
their core doctrines?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-02-15 20:21:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 15:38:32 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
He claims that the Inquisition and Doctrine of Discovery were the work of civil authorities.
No, I didn't. Slow down now and take note.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Some different takes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The Inquisition, in historical ecclesiastical parlance also referred to as the "Holy Inquisition",
was a group of institutions within the Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy.
No, not heresy in general, but Catholics pushing heresy as Christian truth.
Heresy in Christianity
Heresy in Christianity denotes the formal denial or doubt of a core doctrine of
the Christian faith as defined by one or more of the Christian churches.
You believe the RCC has/had the right to kill any who disagree with
their core doctrines?
No, it was the supposed Christians that were pushing heresy in untruthful
Christianity..
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2020-02-15 21:31:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 15:38:32 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
He claims that the Inquisition and Doctrine of Discovery were the work of civil authorities.
No, I didn't. Slow down now and take note.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Some different takes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The Inquisition, in historical ecclesiastical parlance also referred to as the "Holy Inquisition",
was a group of institutions within the Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy.
No, not heresy in general, but Catholics pushing heresy as Christian truth.
Heresy in Christianity
Heresy in Christianity denotes the formal denial or doubt of a core doctrine of
the Christian faith as defined by one or more of the Christian churches.
You believe the RCC has/had the right to kill any who disagree with
their core doctrines?
No, it was the supposed Christians that were pushing heresy in untruthful
Christianity..
You believe a Church had the right to have people killed for that?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
Ted
2020-02-16 09:08:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 15:38:32 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
He claims that the Inquisition and Doctrine of Discovery were
the work of civil authorities.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
No, I didn't. Slow down now and take note.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Some different takes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
Post by Cloud Hobbit
The Inquisition, in historical ecclesiastical parlance also
referred to as the "Holy Inquisition",
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Cloud Hobbit
was a group of institutions within the Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy.
No, not heresy in general, but Catholics pushing heresy as
Christian truth.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Heresy in Christianity
Heresy in Christianity denotes the formal denial or doubt of a core doctrine of
the Christian faith as defined by one or more of the Christian churches.
You believe the RCC has/had the right to kill any who disagree with
their core doctrines?
No, it was the supposed Christians that were pushing heresy in
untruthful
Post by d***@cox.net
Christianity..
the dukester, American-American
A.K.A. Catholics.
Lucifer
2020-02-14 03:35:25 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:55:11 +1100, Lucifer
I know you think I'm an uppity atheist without the right training to
understand God and the bible, but I think that's to my advantage.
Your "theological training" forces you to interpret the bible and God
in a good light where I am free to see what the bible actually says
and how it compares to what we actually experience.
I never ever though of you in those terms.
But you do think I am wrong because I don't see the magical world
the way you do?
As for me, I have learned via the word of God, by His Spirit, and
evidenced by my life experiences with him in actually living put into
practice as well as looking back over my life when I stop and pause at
times to reflect. In looking back I see his hand in and on my life
even more clearly, as does my wife.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Man is the problem, not God.
Is there any problem with the way God created man?
Could God have done anything better?
the dukester, American-American
Patrick B
2020-02-14 12:56:58 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 14:35:25 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:55:11 +1100, Lucifer
I know you think I'm an uppity atheist without the right training to
understand God and the bible, but I think that's to my advantage.
Your "theological training" forces you to interpret the bible and God
in a good light where I am free to see what the bible actually says
and how it compares to what we actually experience.
I never ever though of you in those terms.
But you do think I am wrong because I don't see the magical world
the way you do?
As for me, I have learned via the word of God, by His Spirit, and
evidenced by my life experiences with him in actually living put into
practice as well as looking back over my life when I stop and pause at
times to reflect. In looking back I see his hand in and on my life
even more clearly, as does my wife.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Man is the problem, not God.
Is there any problem with the way God created man?
Could God have done anything better?
It depends on what outcome you want.
God didn't want sheep, robots, or plants.
God gave man a free will. The results is now up to man.
Lucifer
2020-02-14 19:47:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 14:35:25 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:55:11 +1100, Lucifer
I know you think I'm an uppity atheist without the right training to
understand God and the bible, but I think that's to my advantage.
Your "theological training" forces you to interpret the bible and God
in a good light where I am free to see what the bible actually says
and how it compares to what we actually experience.
I never ever though of you in those terms.
But you do think I am wrong because I don't see the magical world
the way you do?
As for me, I have learned via the word of God, by His Spirit, and
evidenced by my life experiences with him in actually living put into
practice as well as looking back over my life when I stop and pause at
times to reflect. In looking back I see his hand in and on my life
even more clearly, as does my wife.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Man is the problem, not God.
Is there any problem with the way God created man?
Could God have done anything better?
It depends on what outcome you want.
What if I want every living thing to be always happy and healthy?
Post by Patrick B
God didn't want sheep, robots, or plants.
You saying God created things he doesn't want?
Post by Patrick B
God gave man a free will. The results is now up to man.
To be fair we need to hold the creator of everything responsible
for everything.
Patrick B
2020-02-14 23:21:04 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 06:47:28 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 14:35:25 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:55:11 +1100, Lucifer
I know you think I'm an uppity atheist without the right training to
understand God and the bible, but I think that's to my advantage.
Your "theological training" forces you to interpret the bible and God
in a good light where I am free to see what the bible actually says
and how it compares to what we actually experience.
I never ever though of you in those terms.
But you do think I am wrong because I don't see the magical world
the way you do?
As for me, I have learned via the word of God, by His Spirit, and
evidenced by my life experiences with him in actually living put into
practice as well as looking back over my life when I stop and pause at
times to reflect. In looking back I see his hand in and on my life
even more clearly, as does my wife.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Man is the problem, not God.
Is there any problem with the way God created man?
Could God have done anything better?
It depends on what outcome you want.
What if I want every living thing to be always happy and healthy?
Then you (as God) would have forgiven Adam and Eve, and all mankind
would enjoy the fruits inside the Garden of Eden.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
God didn't want sheep, robots, or plants.
You saying God created things he doesn't want?
Of course he wanted them. They are useful to man.
But he didn't want men to be those things.
There would be no fun.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
God gave man a free will. The results is now up to man.
To be fair we need to hold the creator of everything responsible
for everything.
You can. I certainly won't.
We are here taking a test.
Some of us will pass and go on to our rewards.
Some of you will fail and go on to your rewards.
Lucifer
2020-02-15 00:34:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 06:47:28 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 14:35:25 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Is there any problem with the way God created man?
Could God have done anything better?
It depends on what outcome you want.
What if I want every living thing to be always happy and healthy?
Then you (as God) would have forgiven Adam and Eve, and all mankind
would enjoy the fruits inside the Garden of Eden.
No. I would have created everything and everyone to work in perfect
harmony with no harm. Nothing to forgive.

Would that have been better?
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
God didn't want sheep, robots, or plants.
You saying God created things he doesn't want?
Of course he wanted them. They are useful to man.
But he didn't want men to be those things.
There would be no fun.
I would have arranged things so fun and learning could be had
without any harm.

Would that have been better?
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
God gave man a free will. The results is now up to man.
To be fair we need to hold the creator of everything responsible
for everything.
You can. I certainly won't.
Why not?
Post by Patrick B
We are here taking a test.
Some of us will pass and go on to our rewards.
Some of you will fail and go on to your rewards.
God doesn't need to test us. God knows exactly how he made us.

Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Patrick B
2020-02-15 13:34:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lucifer
God doesn't need to test us. God knows exactly how he made us.
He gave us a free will to choose our lifestyle.
Post by Lucifer
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
God gave us a clean slate.
Man screwed it all up searching for power.
LinuxGal
2020-02-15 13:42:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
God doesn't need to test us. God knows exactly how he made us.
He gave us a free will to choose our lifestyle.
Such freedom.

God: "Two women sleeping together? Not that lifestyle!
Off to hell with the both of you!"
--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Patrick B
2020-02-15 15:35:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by LinuxGal
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
God doesn't need to test us. God knows exactly how he made us.
He gave us a free will to choose our lifestyle.
Such freedom.
God: "Two women sleeping together? Not that lifestyle!
Off to hell with the both of you!"
So stop doing it.
Miloch
2020-02-15 15:51:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by LinuxGal
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
God doesn't need to test us. God knows exactly how he made us.
He gave us a free will to choose our lifestyle.
Such freedom.
God: "Two women sleeping together? Not that lifestyle!
Off to hell with the both of you!"
So stop doing it.
...disagree!....she needs to post any related videos in the USENET lesbian
groups...especially anything with a crucifix being used as a sex tool.



*
Jack Shit
2020-02-15 18:47:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
God doesn't need to test us. God knows exactly how he made us.
He gave us a free will to choose our lifestyle.
Post by Lucifer
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
God gave us a clean slate.
Man screwed it all up searching for power.
The non believers don't get it. Things wouldn't as they are if we
hadn't disobeyed one simple rule.
Lucifer
2020-02-15 23:08:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
God doesn't need to test us. God knows exactly how he made us.
He gave us a free will to choose our lifestyle.
Post by Lucifer
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
God gave us a clean slate.
Man screwed it all up searching for power.
God screwed it all up by giving mammals a selfish gene.

Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Patrick B
2020-02-16 12:48:21 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 10:08:57 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
God doesn't need to test us. God knows exactly how he made us.
He gave us a free will to choose our lifestyle.
Post by Lucifer
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
God gave us a clean slate.
Man screwed it all up searching for power.
God screwed it all up by giving mammals a selfish gene.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
You have to play the cards dealt to you.
Don't blame the dealer for a bad hand.

And what are "reproductive rights?"
Are they those things used to kill your children?
d***@cox.net
2020-02-14 22:17:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lucifer
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:55:11 +1100, Lucifer
I know you think I'm an uppity atheist without the right training to
understand God and the bible, but I think that's to my advantage.
Your "theological training" forces you to interpret the bible and God
in a good light where I am free to see what the bible actually says
and how it compares to what we actually experience.
I never ever though of you in those terms.
But you do think I am wrong because I don't see the magical world
the way you do?
As for me, I have learned via the word of God, by His Spirit, and
evidenced by my life experiences with him in actually living put into
practice as well as looking back over my life when I stop and pause at
times to reflect. In looking back I see his hand in and on my life
even more clearly, as does my wife.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Man is the problem, not God.
Is there any problem with the way God created man?
Could God have done anything better?
God wanted man to grow and become as good as God.
Post by Lucifer
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
Lucifer
2020-02-15 00:19:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:55:11 +1100, Lucifer
I know you think I'm an uppity atheist without the right training to
understand God and the bible, but I think that's to my advantage.
Your "theological training" forces you to interpret the bible and God
in a good light where I am free to see what the bible actually says
and how it compares to what we actually experience.
I never ever though of you in those terms.
But you do think I am wrong because I don't see the magical world
the way you do?
As for me, I have learned via the word of God, by His Spirit, and
evidenced by my life experiences with him in actually living put into
practice as well as looking back over my life when I stop and pause at
times to reflect. In looking back I see his hand in and on my life
even more clearly, as does my wife.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Man is the problem, not God.
Is there any problem with the way God created man?
Could God have done anything better?
God wanted man to grow and become as good as God.
That's not good.

Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
Patrick B
2020-02-15 13:36:27 UTC
Permalink
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Hey, that sounds familiar.
Didn't you just ask me that same question?

God gave man a mind, a free will, and natural resources to make our
own paradise. It is a test. You have failed.
d***@cox.net
2020-02-15 20:30:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Hey, that sounds familiar.
Didn't you just ask me that same question?
He's an idiot, and he wants to blame God for it.
Post by Patrick B
God gave man a mind, a free will, and natural resources to make our
own paradise. It is a test. You have failed.
Failed big time.
the dukester, American-American
Lucifer
2020-02-15 22:58:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Patrick B
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Hey, that sounds familiar.
Didn't you just ask me that same question?
He's an idiot, and he wants to blame God for it.
You blame God.
You say God is the father that is never there.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Patrick B
God gave man a mind, a free will, and natural resources to make our
own paradise. It is a test. You have failed.
Failed big time.
God failed the test.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
Lucifer
2020-02-15 23:10:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Hey, that sounds familiar.
Didn't you just ask me that same question?
I don't recall your answer.
Post by Patrick B
God gave man a mind, a free will, and natural resources to make our
own paradise. It is a test. You have failed.
God failed me.
Patrick B
2020-02-16 12:46:17 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 10:10:48 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Hey, that sounds familiar.
Didn't you just ask me that same question?
I don't recall your answer.
Post by Patrick B
God gave man a mind, a free will, and natural resources to make our
own paradise. It is a test. You have failed.
God failed me.
God owes you nothing.
He gave you the tools to prosper and thrive.
If you can't do it, you blame anyone except yourself.
d***@cox.net
2020-02-15 20:29:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lucifer
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:55:11 +1100, Lucifer
I know you think I'm an uppity atheist without the right training to
understand God and the bible, but I think that's to my advantage.
Your "theological training" forces you to interpret the bible and God
in a good light where I am free to see what the bible actually says
and how it compares to what we actually experience.
I never ever though of you in those terms.
But you do think I am wrong because I don't see the magical world
the way you do?
As for me, I have learned via the word of God, by His Spirit, and
evidenced by my life experiences with him in actually living put into
practice as well as looking back over my life when I stop and pause at
times to reflect. In looking back I see his hand in and on my life
even more clearly, as does my wife.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Man is the problem, not God.
Is there any problem with the way God created man?
Could God have done anything better?
God wanted man to grow and become as good as God.
That's not good.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Didn't. You fail to accept that god created 13.8
billions years ago and let all evolve. We're not playdough to God. If you
don't like what you see, go find something else.
Post by Lucifer
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
Lucifer
2020-02-15 22:55:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Lucifer
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:55:11 +1100, Lucifer
I know you think I'm an uppity atheist without the right training to
understand God and the bible, but I think that's to my advantage.
Your "theological training" forces you to interpret the bible and God
in a good light where I am free to see what the bible actually says
and how it compares to what we actually experience.
I never ever though of you in those terms.
But you do think I am wrong because I don't see the magical world
the way you do?
As for me, I have learned via the word of God, by His Spirit, and
evidenced by my life experiences with him in actually living put into
practice as well as looking back over my life when I stop and pause at
times to reflect. In looking back I see his hand in and on my life
even more clearly, as does my wife.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Man is the problem, not God.
Is there any problem with the way God created man?
Could God have done anything better?
God wanted man to grow and become as good as God.
That's not good.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Didn't. You fail to accept that god created 13.8
billions years ago and let all evolve. We're not playdough to God. If you
don't like what you see, go find something else.
Now I understand. You're a deist.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
Ted
2020-02-16 02:52:11 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 09:55:34 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:19:31 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 14:35:25 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:01:13 +1100, Lucifer
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:55:11 +1100, Lucifer
I know you think I'm an uppity atheist without the right training to
understand God and the bible, but I think that's to my
advantage.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
Your "theological training" forces you to interpret the bible and God
in a good light where I am free to see what the bible
actually says
Post by Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
and how it compares to what we actually experience.
I never ever though of you in those terms.
But you do think I am wrong because I don't see the magical world
the way you do?
As for me, I have learned via the word of God, by His
Spirit, and
Post by Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
evidenced by my life experiences with him in actually living put into
practice as well as looking back over my life when I stop and pause at
times to reflect. In looking back I see his hand in and on my life
even more clearly, as does my wife.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an unambiguous
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean
water, or
Post by Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Man is the problem, not God.
Is there any problem with the way God created man?
Could God have done anything better?
God wanted man to grow and become as good as God.
That's not good.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an
unambiguous
Post by Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Didn't. You fail to accept that god created 13.8
billions years ago and let all evolve. We're not playdough to God. If you
don't like what you see, go find something else.
Now I understand. You're a deist.
No, Duke is still a lying christer bastard. But what he said just now
is basically true.
Ted
2020-02-16 02:40:54 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:19:31 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 14:35:25 +1100, Lucifer
Post by Lucifer
On Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:01:13 +1100, Lucifer
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:55:11 +1100, Lucifer
I know you think I'm an uppity atheist without the right training to
understand God and the bible, but I think that's to my
advantage.
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
Your "theological training" forces you to interpret the
bible and God
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
in a good light where I am free to see what the bible
actually says
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
and how it compares to what we actually experience.
I never ever though of you in those terms.
But you do think I am wrong because I don't see the magical world
the way you do?
As for me, I have learned via the word of God, by His Spirit, and
evidenced by my life experiences with him in actually living put into
practice as well as looking back over my life when I stop and pause at
times to reflect. In looking back I see his hand in and on my life
even more clearly, as does my wife.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an
unambiguous
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against
slavery,
Post by Lucifer
Post by Patrick B
Post by Lucifer
or preventing disease?
Man is the problem, not God.
Is there any problem with the way God created man?
Could God have done anything better?
God wanted man to grow and become as good as God.
That's not good.
Is there anything about this world you think God could have and should
have done better, like making his word known to all in an
unambiguous
Post by Lucifer
way, or ensuring everyone has sufficient food and clean water, or
giving all women reproductive rights, or speaking against slavery,
or preventing disease?
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Didn't. You fail to accept that god
created 13.8
billions years ago and let all evolve. We're not playdough to God. If you
don't like what you see, go find something else.
the dukester, American-American
That's a good point, Duke.
Michael Cole
2020-02-14 20:35:26 UTC
Permalink
If only Pelosi was a godly person like Trump. Personally I regard the Fuhrer as a paragon of Christian saintliness. He prays constantly and seeks guidance from the Almighty. He aspires to be humble and God-fearing and he tries to practice the Christian virtues of compassion, and honesty, and sexual purity. Truly an upright Christian exemplar of the wonders the Holy Spirit can do manifesting Itself in the heart of a true born again follower of Jesus.
Loading...