Discussion:
Because God cares
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Attila
2020-05-27 18:47:16 UTC
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On Sat, 23 May 2020 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7, "Sir Hømer Hall,
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I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the EU
invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell, you get to
choose. Try to choose wisely.
Do you have anything other than threats to contribute?
In feeble minds Pascal's Wager never stales.
I was waiting for someone to come up with Pascal's Wager. Apparently
he doesn't know that it's been refuted to death. He just better hope
that he's chosen the right sky fairy to follow, or the
unchosen-but-actual one is liable to be really pissed at him.
Pascal's wager doesn't apply since those in the book of life are chosen
by God instead.
According to you but without supporting evidence.
What I said is a simple fact. It is the evidence.
Not as far as I am concerned.
Blind denial. You are required to verify the fact at the very least.
I am not required to do anything. You are the one trying to convince
me. Remember?
It's a two way street. If I provide the fact, you have to verify the
fact. That is your responsibility to ensure a meaningful debate.
You are wrong. It is always the responsibility of the person
providing the fact to also provide the supporting evidence.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate.
Too bad, I'm not interested in your fact, and I have no argument against
your fact. Since you ask for the evidence, you are required to verify
the evidence.
Now provide evidence this is true.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.

Your simply saying something is a fact does not make it so.
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Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

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Attila
2020-05-27 18:48:59 UTC
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I'm here preaching the good news so that you may wake up to God who did
choose you before you were even born. Only a fool would reject God and
the love of God to condemn oneself to the hell of eternal regret and
self-condemnation.
You are assuming such a choice actually exists. Why is that?
There is no assumption. It's an actual realization.
It may be actual but it is an assumption as far as I am concerned. One
without supporting evidence.
That's still just your blind denial.
Why do you think any god was involved with my life at any point?
Because the nature of life is spiritual, and all spiritual things come
from the spiritual God.
So you say. How do I know it isn't a lie since you offer no
supporting evidence?
Supporting evidence please.
Life is the evidence. All you need is to understand life spiritually and
philosophically.
Psychobabble.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-28 00:28:18 UTC
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Post by Attila
I'm here preaching the good news so that you may wake up to God who did
choose you before you were even born. Only a fool would reject God and
the love of God to condemn oneself to the hell of eternal regret and
self-condemnation.
You are assuming such a choice actually exists. Why is that?
There is no assumption. It's an actual realization.
It may be actual but it is an assumption as far as I am concerned. One
without supporting evidence.
That's still just your blind denial.
Why do you think any god was involved with my life at any point?
Because the nature of life is spiritual, and all spiritual things come
from the spiritual God.
So you say. How do I know it isn't a lie since you offer no
supporting evidence?
That's why you should follow the teaching of Jesus to discover
everything for yourself.
Post by Attila
Supporting evidence please.
Life is the evidence. All you need is to understand life spiritually and
philosophically.
Psychobabble.
No, simple philosophy.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-28 01:07:10 UTC
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Post by Attila
I'm here preaching the good news so that you may wake up to God who did
choose you before you were even born. Only a fool would reject God and
the love of God to condemn oneself to the hell of eternal regret and
self-condemnation.
You are assuming such a choice actually exists. Why is that?
There is no assumption. It's an actual realization.
It may be actual but it is an assumption as far as I am concerned. One
without supporting evidence.
That's still just your blind denial.
Why do you think any god was involved with my life at any point?
Because the nature of life is spiritual, and all spiritual things come
from the spiritual God.
So you say. How do I know it isn't a lie since you offer no
supporting evidence?
That's why you should follow the teaching of Jesus to discover
everything for yourself.
Why should I pay any attention to what someone claims someone else
said when there seems to be no supporting evidence for any of this?
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Post by Attila
Supporting evidence please.
Life is the evidence. All you need is to understand life spiritually and
philosophically.
Psychobabble.
No, simple philosophy.
Psychobabble.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-28 21:01:38 UTC
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Post by Attila
I'm here preaching the good news so that you may wake up to God who did
choose you before you were even born. Only a fool would reject God and
the love of God to condemn oneself to the hell of eternal regret and
self-condemnation.
You are assuming such a choice actually exists. Why is that?
There is no assumption. It's an actual realization.
It may be actual but it is an assumption as far as I am concerned. One
without supporting evidence.
That's still just your blind denial.
Why do you think any god was involved with my life at any point?
Because the nature of life is spiritual, and all spiritual things come
from the spiritual God.
So you say. How do I know it isn't a lie since you offer no
supporting evidence?
That's why you should follow the teaching of Jesus to discover
everything for yourself.
Why should I pay any attention to what someone claims someone else
said when there seems to be no supporting evidence for any of this?
Because the supporting evidence is only found in your own life when you
follow Jesus.
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Post by Attila
Supporting evidence please.
Life is the evidence. All you need is to understand life spiritually and
philosophically.
Psychobabble.
No, simple philosophy.
Psychobabble.
No, living truth.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-28 23:50:03 UTC
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Post by Attila
I'm here preaching the good news so that you may wake up to God who did
choose you before you were even born. Only a fool would reject God and
the love of God to condemn oneself to the hell of eternal regret and
self-condemnation.
You are assuming such a choice actually exists. Why is that?
There is no assumption. It's an actual realization.
It may be actual but it is an assumption as far as I am concerned. One
without supporting evidence.
That's still just your blind denial.
Why do you think any god was involved with my life at any point?
Because the nature of life is spiritual, and all spiritual things come
from the spiritual God.
So you say. How do I know it isn't a lie since you offer no
supporting evidence?
That's why you should follow the teaching of Jesus to discover
everything for yourself.
Why should I pay any attention to what someone claims someone else
said when there seems to be no supporting evidence for any of this?
Because the supporting evidence is only found in your own life when you
follow Jesus.
Evasion. It has clearly been established that no one should pay any
attention to anything you say.
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Post by Attila
Supporting evidence please.
Life is the evidence. All you need is to understand life spiritually and
philosophically.
Psychobabble.
No, simple philosophy.
Psychobabble.
No, living truth.
Useless waste of space.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-29 15:52:27 UTC
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I'm here preaching the good news so that you may wake up to God who did
choose you before you were even born. Only a fool would reject God and
the love of God to condemn oneself to the hell of eternal regret and
self-condemnation.
You are assuming such a choice actually exists. Why is that?
There is no assumption. It's an actual realization.
It may be actual but it is an assumption as far as I am concerned. One
without supporting evidence.
That's still just your blind denial.
Why do you think any god was involved with my life at any point?
Because the nature of life is spiritual, and all spiritual things come
from the spiritual God.
So you say. How do I know it isn't a lie since you offer no
supporting evidence?
That's why you should follow the teaching of Jesus to discover
everything for yourself.
Why should I pay any attention to what someone claims someone else
said when there seems to be no supporting evidence for any of this?
Because the supporting evidence is only found in your own life when you
follow Jesus.
Evasion. It has clearly been established that no one should pay any
attention to anything you say.
Blind denial.
Post by Attila
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Supporting evidence please.
Life is the evidence. All you need is to understand life spiritually and
philosophically.
Psychobabble.
No, simple philosophy.
Psychobabble.
No, living truth.
Useless waste of space.
Only between your ears, yes.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-29 18:11:08 UTC
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I'm here preaching the good news so that you may wake up to God who did
choose you before you were even born. Only a fool would reject God and
the love of God to condemn oneself to the hell of eternal regret and
self-condemnation.
You are assuming such a choice actually exists. Why is that?
There is no assumption. It's an actual realization.
It may be actual but it is an assumption as far as I am concerned. One
without supporting evidence.
That's still just your blind denial.
Why do you think any god was involved with my life at any point?
Because the nature of life is spiritual, and all spiritual things come
from the spiritual God.
So you say. How do I know it isn't a lie since you offer no
supporting evidence?
That's why you should follow the teaching of Jesus to discover
everything for yourself.
Why should I pay any attention to what someone claims someone else
said when there seems to be no supporting evidence for any of this?
Because the supporting evidence is only found in your own life when you
follow Jesus.
Evasion. It has clearly been established that no one should pay any
attention to anything you say.
Blind denial.
It has clearly been established that no one should pay any
attention to anything you say.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Supporting evidence please.
Life is the evidence. All you need is to understand life spiritually and
philosophically.
Psychobabble.
No, simple philosophy.
Psychobabble.
No, living truth.
Useless waste of space.
Only between your ears, yes.
Your statement is babble and devoid of any meaning.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-30 13:31:47 UTC
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I'm here preaching the good news so that you may wake up to God who did
choose you before you were even born. Only a fool would reject God and
the love of God to condemn oneself to the hell of eternal regret and
self-condemnation.
You are assuming such a choice actually exists. Why is that?
There is no assumption. It's an actual realization.
It may be actual but it is an assumption as far as I am concerned. One
without supporting evidence.
That's still just your blind denial.
Why do you think any god was involved with my life at any point?
Because the nature of life is spiritual, and all spiritual things come
from the spiritual God.
So you say. How do I know it isn't a lie since you offer no
supporting evidence?
That's why you should follow the teaching of Jesus to discover
everything for yourself.
Why should I pay any attention to what someone claims someone else
said when there seems to be no supporting evidence for any of this?
Because the supporting evidence is only found in your own life when you
follow Jesus.
Evasion. It has clearly been established that no one should pay any
attention to anything you say.
Blind denial.
It has clearly been established that no one should pay any
attention to anything you say.
That's still just your blind denial.
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Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Supporting evidence please.
Life is the evidence. All you need is to understand life spiritually and
philosophically.
Psychobabble.
No, simple philosophy.
Psychobabble.
No, living truth.
Useless waste of space.
Only between your ears, yes.
Your statement is babble and devoid of any meaning.
That only proves my point.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-30 19:36:49 UTC
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I'm here preaching the good news so that you may wake up to God who did
choose you before you were even born. Only a fool would reject God and
the love of God to condemn oneself to the hell of eternal regret and
self-condemnation.
You are assuming such a choice actually exists. Why is that?
There is no assumption. It's an actual realization.
It may be actual but it is an assumption as far as I am concerned. One
without supporting evidence.
That's still just your blind denial.
Why do you think any god was involved with my life at any point?
Because the nature of life is spiritual, and all spiritual things come
from the spiritual God.
So you say. How do I know it isn't a lie since you offer no
supporting evidence?
That's why you should follow the teaching of Jesus to discover
everything for yourself.
Why should I pay any attention to what someone claims someone else
said when there seems to be no supporting evidence for any of this?
Because the supporting evidence is only found in your own life when you
follow Jesus.
Evasion. It has clearly been established that no one should pay any
attention to anything you say.
Blind denial.
It has clearly been established that no one should pay any
attention to anything you say.
That's still just your blind denial.
It has clearly been established that no one should pay any
attention to anything you say.
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Supporting evidence please.
Life is the evidence. All you need is to understand life spiritually and
philosophically.
Psychobabble.
No, simple philosophy.
Psychobabble.
No, living truth.
Useless waste of space.
Only between your ears, yes.
Your statement is babble and devoid of any meaning.
That only proves my point.
Meaningless.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Attila
2020-05-27 18:54:41 UTC
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Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
Where is the evidence supporting that?
Where is the evidence supporting the existence of such a person?
It's all recorded in history books and in the best selling
book in the world - The Bible.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence, as CH said.
However, the truth of the Bible is the evidence.
You are assuming it contains truth. Why is that? How do you know it
isn't all lies?
It's not an assumption. It's assured conviction because it's the Word of
God.
That is the assumption. Where is your supporting evidence?
The evidence is found in following the Word of God in real life. What's
found in real life can never be an assumption.
That is not evidence. It is an assumption and is ambiguous.
Life is never an assumption. There is nothing ambiguous in life.
I am talking about evidence, not life.
Life is the evidence.
To you perhaps but not to anyone else. Does that tell you anything
other than everybody but you must be wrong?
No one can deny life.
Irrelevant. The existence of life does not automatically prove
anything about any god.
God is only found and realized in real life.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
You are still wrong.
For something as profound as Jesus's alleged life, there
is surprisingly little independent mention. And before
you go there, Josephus is highly suspect.
There is more than one way to prove a person's existence. Einstein
doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will forever be the
evidence of his existence.
Which theory would that be? There are several possibilities, some of
which have been proven wrong. Plus the obvious - the existence of a
theory is not proof of the existence of a particular person unless it
can be proven that person developed that theory.
What are you talking about? Are you going to deny that Einstein
developed his own theory?
He developed more than one theory and just because his name is on a
theory is not evidence that he developed that theory. Or ever
existed. Independent evidence is required.
Everybody knows what Einstein's theory is.
He had two - Special Relativity and General Relativity. He received
his Nobel Prize "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and
especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."
Since they are all his theories, what's the difference? Did he steal one
of them from someone else?
No, but you talk as if there is only one thing.
I don't want to be specific. What's wrong with that?
Of course you don't. But you did talk about Einstein and "his theory"
when there is more than one theory and none of them earned the Nobel
Prize.
Why is that important? It has nothing to do with my point.
Yes it does. It shows your statement " Einstein doesn't need to be
proven historically. His theory will forever be the evidence of his
existence." is in error. He had at least two theories and his best
known accomplishment was not based on either of them.
One theory is enough. There is no need to be specific. So it doesn't matter.
If a theory exists that only supports it's existence. It had nothing
to do with who developed it or whether it is valid or not.
The theory is the evidence.
Not by itself it isn't.
Blind denial. A scientific theory is always the evidence of the scientist.
A scientist. Additional evidence is required to identify the
scientist involved.
If there is no scientist involved, there can't be a scientific theory in
the first place.
But which scientist? That is the question.
No. The question is about the existence of the scientist. It's not about
the name of the scientist.
" Einstein doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will
forever be the evidence of his existence."
That's right.
That is what you said and that is what you need to support with
evidence.
Someone invented the wheel. Who?
The wheel is the evidence of its maker. Who is the maker is entirely
another question.
That was exactly the question. Who invented the wheel?
The question is about his existence. It's not about his name. If you
want argue about the name, you have already acknowledged the existence
of the person.
Actually historians think no one person invented the wheel but it
developed in several unrelated cultures.

Therefore the existence of the wheel does not automatically mean
someone invented it.

To simply say something was done and therefore someone must have done
it is about as meaningless a comment as it is possible to make.
In the exact same way, the spiritual and
philosophical teaching of Jesus is already the evidence of the
historical Jesus.
Nope. Not even close for many reasons. Vagueness and ambiguity being
the main culprits.
The only vagueness is due to your blind denial of the teaching of Jesus.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person ever existed.
Blind denial already. That may be a new record.
You can't beat your own record. It's still nothing but your blind denial.
It didn't take you long to reach that standard evasion.
I'm only pointing out the fact.
The only fact here is that you always end up in evasion.
That is still your blind denial of the fact.
More evasion.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-28 00:25:22 UTC
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Post by Attila
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
Where is the evidence supporting that?
Where is the evidence supporting the existence of such a person?
It's all recorded in history books and in the best selling
book in the world - The Bible.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence, as CH said.
However, the truth of the Bible is the evidence.
You are assuming it contains truth. Why is that? How do you know it
isn't all lies?
It's not an assumption. It's assured conviction because it's the Word of
God.
That is the assumption. Where is your supporting evidence?
The evidence is found in following the Word of God in real life. What's
found in real life can never be an assumption.
That is not evidence. It is an assumption and is ambiguous.
Life is never an assumption. There is nothing ambiguous in life.
I am talking about evidence, not life.
Life is the evidence.
To you perhaps but not to anyone else. Does that tell you anything
other than everybody but you must be wrong?
No one can deny life.
Irrelevant. The existence of life does not automatically prove
anything about any god.
God is only found and realized in real life.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God who is spiritual instead of physical.
Post by Attila
You are still wrong.
For something as profound as Jesus's alleged life, there
is surprisingly little independent mention. And before
you go there, Josephus is highly suspect.
There is more than one way to prove a person's existence. Einstein
doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will forever be the
evidence of his existence.
Which theory would that be? There are several possibilities, some of
which have been proven wrong. Plus the obvious - the existence of a
theory is not proof of the existence of a particular person unless it
can be proven that person developed that theory.
What are you talking about? Are you going to deny that Einstein
developed his own theory?
He developed more than one theory and just because his name is on a
theory is not evidence that he developed that theory. Or ever
existed. Independent evidence is required.
Everybody knows what Einstein's theory is.
He had two - Special Relativity and General Relativity. He received
his Nobel Prize "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and
especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."
Since they are all his theories, what's the difference? Did he steal one
of them from someone else?
No, but you talk as if there is only one thing.
I don't want to be specific. What's wrong with that?
Of course you don't. But you did talk about Einstein and "his theory"
when there is more than one theory and none of them earned the Nobel
Prize.
Why is that important? It has nothing to do with my point.
Yes it does. It shows your statement " Einstein doesn't need to be
proven historically. His theory will forever be the evidence of his
existence." is in error. He had at least two theories and his best
known accomplishment was not based on either of them.
One theory is enough. There is no need to be specific. So it doesn't matter.
If a theory exists that only supports it's existence. It had nothing
to do with who developed it or whether it is valid or not.
The theory can't appear by magic. It has to be developed by the scientist.
Post by Attila
The theory is the evidence.
Not by itself it isn't.
Blind denial. A scientific theory is always the evidence of the scientist.
A scientist. Additional evidence is required to identify the
scientist involved.
If there is no scientist involved, there can't be a scientific theory in
the first place.
But which scientist? That is the question.
No. The question is about the existence of the scientist. It's not about
the name of the scientist.
" Einstein doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will
forever be the evidence of his existence."
That's right.
That is what you said and that is what you need to support with
evidence.
It's just simple logic. If you can refute the logic, you have to accept
the conclusion.
Post by Attila
Someone invented the wheel. Who?
The wheel is the evidence of its maker. Who is the maker is entirely
another question.
That was exactly the question. Who invented the wheel?
The question is about his existence. It's not about his name. If you
want argue about the name, you have already acknowledged the existence
of the person.
Actually historians think no one person invented the wheel but it
developed in several unrelated cultures.
Pure speculation. In ancient time, it is not possible to pass the same
story across different cultures, regions, and times. If it's indeed the
same story, it can only be the work of God.
Post by Attila
Therefore the existence of the wheel does not automatically mean
someone invented it.
False. The invention requires the inventor.
Post by Attila
To simply say something was done and therefore someone must have done
it is about as meaningless a comment as it is possible to make
The philosophy of Jesus is not an ordinary thing. It's based on the real
life of Jesus. It can't be created by anyone else.
Post by Attila
In the exact same way, the spiritual and
philosophical teaching of Jesus is already the evidence of the
historical Jesus.
Nope. Not even close for many reasons. Vagueness and ambiguity being
the main culprits.
The only vagueness is due to your blind denial of the teaching of Jesus.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person ever existed.
Blind denial already. That may be a new record.
You can't beat your own record. It's still nothing but your blind denial.
It didn't take you long to reach that standard evasion.
I'm only pointing out the fact.
The only fact here is that you always end up in evasion.
That is still your blind denial of the fact.
More evasion.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-28 01:20:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
Where is the evidence supporting that?
Where is the evidence supporting the existence of such a person?
It's all recorded in history books and in the best selling
book in the world - The Bible.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence, as CH said.
However, the truth of the Bible is the evidence.
You are assuming it contains truth. Why is that? How do you know it
isn't all lies?
It's not an assumption. It's assured conviction because it's the Word of
God.
That is the assumption. Where is your supporting evidence?
The evidence is found in following the Word of God in real life. What's
found in real life can never be an assumption.
That is not evidence. It is an assumption and is ambiguous.
Life is never an assumption. There is nothing ambiguous in life.
I am talking about evidence, not life.
Life is the evidence.
To you perhaps but not to anyone else. Does that tell you anything
other than everybody but you must be wrong?
No one can deny life.
Irrelevant. The existence of life does not automatically prove
anything about any god.
God is only found and realized in real life.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God who is spiritual instead of physical.
I have yet to see any evidence that supports anything spiritual being
real. Therefore I consider the subject imaginary.

That statement will not change - I have posted it for you at least a
dozen times.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
You are still wrong.
For something as profound as Jesus's alleged life, there
is surprisingly little independent mention. And before
you go there, Josephus is highly suspect.
There is more than one way to prove a person's existence. Einstein
doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will forever be the
evidence of his existence.
Which theory would that be? There are several possibilities, some of
which have been proven wrong. Plus the obvious - the existence of a
theory is not proof of the existence of a particular person unless it
can be proven that person developed that theory.
What are you talking about? Are you going to deny that Einstein
developed his own theory?
He developed more than one theory and just because his name is on a
theory is not evidence that he developed that theory. Or ever
existed. Independent evidence is required.
Everybody knows what Einstein's theory is.
He had two - Special Relativity and General Relativity. He received
his Nobel Prize "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and
especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."
Since they are all his theories, what's the difference? Did he steal one
of them from someone else?
No, but you talk as if there is only one thing.
I don't want to be specific. What's wrong with that?
Of course you don't. But you did talk about Einstein and "his theory"
when there is more than one theory and none of them earned the Nobel
Prize.
Why is that important? It has nothing to do with my point.
Yes it does. It shows your statement " Einstein doesn't need to be
proven historically. His theory will forever be the evidence of his
existence." is in error. He had at least two theories and his best
known accomplishment was not based on either of them.
One theory is enough. There is no need to be specific. So it doesn't matter.
If a theory exists that only supports it's existence. It had nothing
to do with who developed it or whether it is valid or not.
The theory can't appear by magic. It has to be developed by the scientist.
It probably was developed by someone but it does nothing to support
the existence of any particular someone without supporting evidence.

Anyone could have developed the theory.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
The theory is the evidence.
Not by itself it isn't.
Blind denial. A scientific theory is always the evidence of the scientist.
A scientist. Additional evidence is required to identify the
scientist involved.
If there is no scientist involved, there can't be a scientific theory in
the first place.
But which scientist? That is the question.
No. The question is about the existence of the scientist. It's not about
the name of the scientist.
" Einstein doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will
forever be the evidence of his existence."
That's right.
That is what you said and that is what you need to support with
evidence.
It's just simple logic. If you can refute the logic, you have to accept
the conclusion.
I don't "have to accept" anything. Your so-called logic is
irrelevant.

Supporting evidence is required.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Someone invented the wheel. Who?
The wheel is the evidence of its maker. Who is the maker is entirely
another question.
That was exactly the question. Who invented the wheel?
The question is about his existence. It's not about his name. If you
want argue about the name, you have already acknowledged the existence
of the person.
Actually historians think no one person invented the wheel but it
developed in several unrelated cultures.
Pure speculation. In ancient time, it is not possible to pass the same
story across different cultures, regions, and times.
It isn't a story. It is the development of a tool. You may as well
say one person invented the hammer, the spear, or developed fire.
These were occurrences that happened to multiple isolated societies.
Post by aaa
If it's indeed the
same story, it can only be the work of God.
That is about as meaningful as ""Oh, look! A pile of poop! That
proves there is a god!"
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Therefore the existence of the wheel does not automatically mean
someone invented it.
False. The invention requires the inventor.
Oh? Does that also go for the spear, the hammer, the bow, the wheel
and fire? All of which were developed by isolated groups that had no
possibility of ever coming into contact.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
To simply say something was done and therefore someone must have done
it is about as meaningless a comment as it is possible to make
The philosophy of Jesus is not an ordinary thing.
I have no idea what it is but I am sure someone else could have
written it.
Post by aaa
It's based on the real
life of Jesus.
How do I know you are not lying?
Post by aaa
It can't be created by anyone else.
See above.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
In the exact same way, the spiritual and
philosophical teaching of Jesus is already the evidence of the
historical Jesus.
Nope. Not even close for many reasons. Vagueness and ambiguity being
the main culprits.
The only vagueness is due to your blind denial of the teaching of Jesus.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person ever existed.
Blind denial already. That may be a new record.
You can't beat your own record. It's still nothing but your blind denial.
It didn't take you long to reach that standard evasion.
I'm only pointing out the fact.
The only fact here is that you always end up in evasion.
That is still your blind denial of the fact.
More evasion.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-28 18:22:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
Where is the evidence supporting that?
Where is the evidence supporting the existence of such a person?
It's all recorded in history books and in the best selling
book in the world - The Bible.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence, as CH said.
However, the truth of the Bible is the evidence.
You are assuming it contains truth. Why is that? How do you know it
isn't all lies?
It's not an assumption. It's assured conviction because it's the Word of
God.
That is the assumption. Where is your supporting evidence?
The evidence is found in following the Word of God in real life. What's
found in real life can never be an assumption.
That is not evidence. It is an assumption and is ambiguous.
Life is never an assumption. There is nothing ambiguous in life.
I am talking about evidence, not life.
Life is the evidence.
To you perhaps but not to anyone else. Does that tell you anything
other than everybody but you must be wrong?
No one can deny life.
Irrelevant. The existence of life does not automatically prove
anything about any god.
God is only found and realized in real life.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God who is spiritual instead of physical.
I have yet to see any evidence that supports anything spiritual being
real. Therefore I consider the subject imaginary.
If you acknowledge the author of the scientific theory, you have to
acknowledge the author of the philosophical teaching written in the
Gospels. It's simple logic.
Post by Attila
That statement will not change - I have posted it for you at least a
dozen times.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
You are still wrong.
For something as profound as Jesus's alleged life, there
is surprisingly little independent mention. And before
you go there, Josephus is highly suspect.
There is more than one way to prove a person's existence. Einstein
doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will forever be the
evidence of his existence.
Which theory would that be? There are several possibilities, some of
which have been proven wrong. Plus the obvious - the existence of a
theory is not proof of the existence of a particular person unless it
can be proven that person developed that theory.
What are you talking about? Are you going to deny that Einstein
developed his own theory?
He developed more than one theory and just because his name is on a
theory is not evidence that he developed that theory. Or ever
existed. Independent evidence is required.
Everybody knows what Einstein's theory is.
He had two - Special Relativity and General Relativity. He received
his Nobel Prize "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and
especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."
Since they are all his theories, what's the difference? Did he steal one
of them from someone else?
No, but you talk as if there is only one thing.
I don't want to be specific. What's wrong with that?
Of course you don't. But you did talk about Einstein and "his theory"
when there is more than one theory and none of them earned the Nobel
Prize.
Why is that important? It has nothing to do with my point.
Yes it does. It shows your statement " Einstein doesn't need to be
proven historically. His theory will forever be the evidence of his
existence." is in error. He had at least two theories and his best
known accomplishment was not based on either of them.
One theory is enough. There is no need to be specific. So it doesn't matter.
If a theory exists that only supports it's existence. It had nothing
to do with who developed it or whether it is valid or not.
The theory can't appear by magic. It has to be developed by the scientist.
It probably was developed by someone but it does nothing to support
the existence of any particular someone without supporting evidence.
Anyone could have developed the theory.
According to the philosophical teaching itself, its author is named
Jesus. If you can't deny the teaching, you have to acknowledge the author.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
The theory is the evidence.
Not by itself it isn't.
Blind denial. A scientific theory is always the evidence of the scientist.
A scientist. Additional evidence is required to identify the
scientist involved.
If there is no scientist involved, there can't be a scientific theory in
the first place.
But which scientist? That is the question.
No. The question is about the existence of the scientist. It's not about
the name of the scientist.
" Einstein doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will
forever be the evidence of his existence."
That's right.
That is what you said and that is what you need to support with
evidence.
It's just simple logic. If you can [not] refute the logic, you have to accept
the conclusion.
I don't "have to accept" anything. Your so-called logic is
irrelevant.
Blind denial.
Post by Attila
Supporting evidence is required.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Someone invented the wheel. Who?
The wheel is the evidence of its maker. Who is the maker is entirely
another question.
That was exactly the question. Who invented the wheel?
The question is about his existence. It's not about his name. If you
want argue about the name, you have already acknowledged the existence
of the person.
Actually historians think no one person invented the wheel but it
developed in several unrelated cultures.
Pure speculation. In ancient time, it is not possible to pass the same
story across different cultures, regions, and times.
It isn't a story. It is the development of a tool. You may as well
say one person invented the hammer, the spear, or developed fire.
These were occurrences that happened to multiple isolated societies.
The philosophy of Jesus is based on the life of Jesus. The life of Jesus
has been recorded in the Gospels as the story of Jesus.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
If it's indeed the
same story, it can only be the work of God.
That is about as meaningful as ""Oh, look! A pile of poop! That
proves there is a god!"
That's just your blind denial again.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Therefore the existence of the wheel does not automatically mean
someone invented it.
False. The invention requires the inventor.
Oh? Does that also go for the spear, the hammer, the bow, the wheel
and fire? All of which were developed by isolated groups that had no
possibility of ever coming into contact.
If it's an invention, there must be an inventor. That's just simple
common sense.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
To simply say something was done and therefore someone must have done
it is about as meaningless a comment as it is possible to make
The philosophy of Jesus is not an ordinary thing.
I have no idea what it is but I am sure someone else could have
written it.
Post by aaa
It's based on the real
life of Jesus.
How do I know you are not lying?
Because it has been testified by countless Christians throughout history
with their own lives. Their testimony is the evidence that the
philosophy of Jesus is based on real life experience. It can't be made
up by the Gospel writers.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
It can't be created by anyone else.
See above.
See above.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
In the exact same way, the spiritual and
philosophical teaching of Jesus is already the evidence of the
historical Jesus.
Nope. Not even close for many reasons. Vagueness and ambiguity being
the main culprits.
The only vagueness is due to your blind denial of the teaching of Jesus.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person ever existed.
Blind denial already. That may be a new record.
You can't beat your own record. It's still nothing but your blind denial.
It didn't take you long to reach that standard evasion.
I'm only pointing out the fact.
The only fact here is that you always end up in evasion.
That is still your blind denial of the fact.
More evasion.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Cloud Hobbit
2020-05-28 23:37:30 UTC
Permalink
If you acknowledge the author of the scientific >theory, you have to
acknowledge the author of the >philosophical teaching written in the
Gospels.
The philosophy of the bible has been studied and that's why it is rejected. Its a philosophy of death. All the rewards come after you die.
The big ones anyway.

Nobody knows for sure who wrote the gospels as they were written after Jesus' death.

The OT is just a collection of folk tales that have no bearing on reality.

A FACT is a fact because it has SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.

If something is a fact that nobody has ever heard before, you need to supply the supporting evidence. Otherwise, its just something somebody said. You can't convince anyone of a fact without supporting evidence.

You have none.
aaa
2020-05-29 14:21:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Cloud Hobbit
If you acknowledge the author of the scientific >theory, you have to
acknowledge the author of the >philosophical teaching written in the
Gospels.
The philosophy of the bible has been studied and that's why it is
rejected. Its a philosophy of death. All the rewards come after you
die. The big ones anyway.
That's just your misunderstanding. You have failed your study.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Nobody knows for sure who wrote the gospels as they were written after Jesus' death.
The OT is just a collection of folk tales that have no bearing on reality.
A FACT is a fact because it has SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.
That is not true. A fact is a proven evidence. It is already the
evidence, and it is proven.

A fact only needs recognition and verification. It doesn't need to be
proven again.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
If something is a fact that nobody has ever heard before, you need to
supply the supporting evidence. Otherwise, its just something
somebody said. You can't convince anyone of a fact without
supporting evidence.
You have none.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-29 17:41:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
Post by Cloud Hobbit
If you acknowledge the author of the scientific >theory, you have to
acknowledge the author of the >philosophical teaching written in the
Gospels.
The philosophy of the bible has been studied and that's why it is
rejected. Its a philosophy of death. All the rewards come after you
die. The big ones anyway.
That's just your misunderstanding. You have failed your study.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Nobody knows for sure who wrote the gospels as they were written after Jesus' death.
The OT is just a collection of folk tales that have no bearing on reality.
A FACT is a fact because it has SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.
That is not true. A fact is a proven evidence. It is already the
evidence, and it is proven.
Nonsense. No supporting evidence = no fact.
Post by aaa
A fact only needs recognition and verification. It doesn't need to be
proven again.
But it must be supported once. You don't do that.
Post by aaa
Post by Cloud Hobbit
If something is a fact that nobody has ever heard before, you need to
supply the supporting evidence. Otherwise, its just something
somebody said. You can't convince anyone of a fact without
supporting evidence.
You have none.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-30 12:58:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Cloud Hobbit
If you acknowledge the author of the scientific >theory, you have to
acknowledge the author of the >philosophical teaching written in the
Gospels.
The philosophy of the bible has been studied and that's why it is
rejected. Its a philosophy of death. All the rewards come after you
die. The big ones anyway.
That's just your misunderstanding. You have failed your study.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Nobody knows for sure who wrote the gospels as they were written after Jesus' death.
The OT is just a collection of folk tales that have no bearing on reality.
A FACT is a fact because it has SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.
That is not true. A fact is a proven evidence. It is already the
evidence, and it is proven.
Nonsense. No supporting evidence = no fact.
You are blind to the fact. That doesn't mean there is no fact.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
A fact only needs recognition and verification. It doesn't need to be
proven again.
But it must be supported once. You don't do that.
I don't have to prove the existence of the Earth every time I mention
the world. In the same way, I don't have to prove the existence of the
spiritual world either. The physical Earth and the spiritual Kingdom of
God are all facts you need to recognize and verify by yourself.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-30 19:08:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Cloud Hobbit
If you acknowledge the author of the scientific >theory, you have to
acknowledge the author of the >philosophical teaching written in the
Gospels.
The philosophy of the bible has been studied and that's why it is
rejected. Its a philosophy of death. All the rewards come after you
die. The big ones anyway.
That's just your misunderstanding. You have failed your study.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Nobody knows for sure who wrote the gospels as they were written after Jesus' death.
The OT is just a collection of folk tales that have no bearing on reality.
A FACT is a fact because it has SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.
That is not true. A fact is a proven evidence. It is already the
evidence, and it is proven.
Nonsense. No supporting evidence = no fact.
You are blind to the fact. That doesn't mean there is no fact.
Without supporting evidence it will not be accepted as a fact.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
A fact only needs recognition and verification. It doesn't need to be
proven again.
But it must be supported once. You don't do that.
I don't have to prove the existence of the Earth every time I mention
the world.
Of course not. It is there and can be proven so with many different
tests.
Post by aaa
In the same way, I don't have to prove the existence of the
spiritual world either.
Yes, you do. It's existence is not apparent and I know of no tests
that can prove it's existence.

Do you?
Post by aaa
The physical Earth and the spiritual Kingdom of
God are all facts you need to recognize and verify by yourself.
You are mixing two totally unrelated things, one of which can be
easily proven with a variety of tests and the other which cannot be
proven at all.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Attila
2020-05-29 00:00:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
Where is the evidence supporting that?
Where is the evidence supporting the existence of such a person?
It's all recorded in history books and in the best selling
book in the world - The Bible.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence, as CH said.
However, the truth of the Bible is the evidence.
You are assuming it contains truth. Why is that? How do you know it
isn't all lies?
It's not an assumption. It's assured conviction because it's the Word of
God.
That is the assumption. Where is your supporting evidence?
The evidence is found in following the Word of God in real life. What's
found in real life can never be an assumption.
That is not evidence. It is an assumption and is ambiguous.
Life is never an assumption. There is nothing ambiguous in life.
I am talking about evidence, not life.
Life is the evidence.
To you perhaps but not to anyone else. Does that tell you anything
other than everybody but you must be wrong?
No one can deny life.
Irrelevant. The existence of life does not automatically prove
anything about any god.
God is only found and realized in real life.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God who is spiritual instead of physical.
I have yet to see any evidence that supports anything spiritual being
real. Therefore I consider the subject imaginary.
If you acknowledge the author of the scientific theory, you have to
acknowledge the author of the philosophical teaching written in the
Gospels. It's simple logic.
It is simply wrong. The existence of a theory has nothing to do with
anything other than the content of that theory.

Does the establishment of a theory mean aircraft must fly on schedule?
The local grocery must have toilet paper?

I am going to win the lottery?
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
That statement will not change - I have posted it for you at least a
dozen times.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
You are still wrong.
For something as profound as Jesus's alleged life, there
is surprisingly little independent mention. And before
you go there, Josephus is highly suspect.
There is more than one way to prove a person's existence. Einstein
doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will forever be the
evidence of his existence.
Which theory would that be? There are several possibilities, some of
which have been proven wrong. Plus the obvious - the existence of a
theory is not proof of the existence of a particular person unless it
can be proven that person developed that theory.
What are you talking about? Are you going to deny that Einstein
developed his own theory?
He developed more than one theory and just because his name is on a
theory is not evidence that he developed that theory. Or ever
existed. Independent evidence is required.
Everybody knows what Einstein's theory is.
He had two - Special Relativity and General Relativity. He received
his Nobel Prize "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and
especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."
Since they are all his theories, what's the difference? Did he steal one
of them from someone else?
No, but you talk as if there is only one thing.
I don't want to be specific. What's wrong with that?
Of course you don't. But you did talk about Einstein and "his theory"
when there is more than one theory and none of them earned the Nobel
Prize.
Why is that important? It has nothing to do with my point.
Yes it does. It shows your statement " Einstein doesn't need to be
proven historically. His theory will forever be the evidence of his
existence." is in error. He had at least two theories and his best
known accomplishment was not based on either of them.
One theory is enough. There is no need to be specific. So it doesn't matter.
If a theory exists that only supports it's existence. It had nothing
to do with who developed it or whether it is valid or not.
The theory can't appear by magic. It has to be developed by the scientist.
It probably was developed by someone but it does nothing to support
the existence of any particular someone without supporting evidence.
Anyone could have developed the theory.
According to the philosophical teaching itself, its author is named
Jesus. If you can't deny the teaching, you have to acknowledge the author.
Perhaps it is a lie. Why not?
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
The theory is the evidence.
Not by itself it isn't.
Blind denial. A scientific theory is always the evidence of the scientist.
A scientist. Additional evidence is required to identify the
scientist involved.
If there is no scientist involved, there can't be a scientific theory in
the first place.
But which scientist? That is the question.
No. The question is about the existence of the scientist. It's not about
the name of the scientist.
" Einstein doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will
forever be the evidence of his existence."
That's right.
That is what you said and that is what you need to support with
evidence.
It's just simple logic. If you can [not] refute the logic, you have to accept
the conclusion.
I don't "have to accept" anything. Your so-called logic is
irrelevant.
Blind denial.
Evasion.
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Supporting evidence is required.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Someone invented the wheel. Who?
The wheel is the evidence of its maker. Who is the maker is entirely
another question.
That was exactly the question. Who invented the wheel?
The question is about his existence. It's not about his name. If you
want argue about the name, you have already acknowledged the existence
of the person.
Actually historians think no one person invented the wheel but it
developed in several unrelated cultures.
Pure speculation. In ancient time, it is not possible to pass the same
story across different cultures, regions, and times.
It isn't a story. It is the development of a tool. You may as well
say one person invented the hammer, the spear, or developed fire.
These were occurrences that happened to multiple isolated societies.
The philosophy of Jesus is based on the life of Jesus. The life of Jesus
has been recorded in the Gospels as the story of Jesus.
So you say but I say you lie.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
If it's indeed the
same story, it can only be the work of God.
That is about as meaningful as ""Oh, look! A pile of poop! That
proves there is a god!"
That's just your blind denial again.
Evasion.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Therefore the existence of the wheel does not automatically mean
someone invented it.
False. The invention requires the inventor.
Oh? Does that also go for the spear, the hammer, the bow, the wheel
and fire? All of which were developed by isolated groups that had no
possibility of ever coming into contact.
If it's an invention, there must be an inventor. That's just simple
common sense.
Please explain to me how a society in Australia and a society in the
Middle East and a society in China could have all developed the use of
fire when travel to that extent was impossible? Or the use of a
knife? Or a club? Or a spear?

There are many other examples.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
To simply say something was done and therefore someone must have done
it is about as meaningless a comment as it is possible to make
The philosophy of Jesus is not an ordinary thing.
I have no idea what it is but I am sure someone else could have
written it.
Post by aaa
It's based on the real
life of Jesus.
How do I know you are not lying?
Because it has been testified by countless Christians throughout history
with their own lives.
Perhaps they were all fooled by lies.
Post by aaa
Their testimony is the evidence that the
philosophy of Jesus is based on real life experience. It can't be made
up by the Gospel writers.
Sure it can. Anything that can be understood can be made up. There
is testimony from many people about being kidnapped by space aliens.
Do you think that establishes such kidnapping as fact?
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
It can't be created by anyone else.
See above.
See above.
They could all be lies.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
In the exact same way, the spiritual and
philosophical teaching of Jesus is already the evidence of the
historical Jesus.
Nope. Not even close for many reasons. Vagueness and ambiguity being
the main culprits.
The only vagueness is due to your blind denial of the teaching of Jesus.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person ever existed.
Blind denial already. That may be a new record.
You can't beat your own record. It's still nothing but your blind denial.
It didn't take you long to reach that standard evasion.
I'm only pointing out the fact.
The only fact here is that you always end up in evasion.
That is still your blind denial of the fact.
More evasion.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasions.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-29 14:53:19 UTC
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Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
Where is the evidence supporting that?
Where is the evidence supporting the existence of such a person?
It's all recorded in history books and in the best selling
book in the world - The Bible.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence, as CH said.
However, the truth of the Bible is the evidence.
You are assuming it contains truth. Why is that? How do you know it
isn't all lies?
It's not an assumption. It's assured conviction because it's the Word of
God.
That is the assumption. Where is your supporting evidence?
The evidence is found in following the Word of God in real life. What's
found in real life can never be an assumption.
That is not evidence. It is an assumption and is ambiguous.
Life is never an assumption. There is nothing ambiguous in life.
I am talking about evidence, not life.
Life is the evidence.
To you perhaps but not to anyone else. Does that tell you anything
other than everybody but you must be wrong?
No one can deny life.
Irrelevant. The existence of life does not automatically prove
anything about any god.
God is only found and realized in real life.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God who is spiritual instead of physical.
I have yet to see any evidence that supports anything spiritual being
real. Therefore I consider the subject imaginary.
If you acknowledge the author of the scientific theory, you have to
acknowledge the author of the philosophical teaching written in the
Gospels. It's simple logic.
It is simply wrong. The existence of a theory has nothing to do with
anything other than the content of that theory.
It requires an author.
Post by Attila
Does the establishment of a theory mean aircraft must fly on schedule?
The local grocery must have toilet paper?
I am going to win the lottery?
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
That statement will not change - I have posted it for you at least a
dozen times.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
You are still wrong.
For something as profound as Jesus's alleged life, there
is surprisingly little independent mention. And before
you go there, Josephus is highly suspect.
There is more than one way to prove a person's existence. Einstein
doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will forever be the
evidence of his existence.
Which theory would that be? There are several possibilities, some of
which have been proven wrong. Plus the obvious - the existence of a
theory is not proof of the existence of a particular person unless it
can be proven that person developed that theory.
What are you talking about? Are you going to deny that Einstein
developed his own theory?
He developed more than one theory and just because his name is on a
theory is not evidence that he developed that theory. Or ever
existed. Independent evidence is required.
Everybody knows what Einstein's theory is.
He had two - Special Relativity and General Relativity. He received
his Nobel Prize "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and
especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."
Since they are all his theories, what's the difference? Did he steal one
of them from someone else?
No, but you talk as if there is only one thing.
I don't want to be specific. What's wrong with that?
Of course you don't. But you did talk about Einstein and "his theory"
when there is more than one theory and none of them earned the Nobel
Prize.
Why is that important? It has nothing to do with my point.
Yes it does. It shows your statement " Einstein doesn't need to be
proven historically. His theory will forever be the evidence of his
existence." is in error. He had at least two theories and his best
known accomplishment was not based on either of them.
One theory is enough. There is no need to be specific. So it doesn't matter.
If a theory exists that only supports it's existence. It had nothing
to do with who developed it or whether it is valid or not.
The theory can't appear by magic. It has to be developed by the scientist.
It probably was developed by someone but it does nothing to support
the existence of any particular someone without supporting evidence.
Anyone could have developed the theory.
According to the philosophical teaching itself, its author is named
Jesus. If you can't deny the teaching, you have to acknowledge the author.
Perhaps it is a lie. Why not?
The testimony of countless Christians shows it's not a lie.
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Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
The theory is the evidence.
Not by itself it isn't.
Blind denial. A scientific theory is always the evidence of the scientist.
A scientist. Additional evidence is required to identify the
scientist involved.
If there is no scientist involved, there can't be a scientific theory in
the first place.
But which scientist? That is the question.
No. The question is about the existence of the scientist. It's not about
the name of the scientist.
" Einstein doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will
forever be the evidence of his existence."
That's right.
That is what you said and that is what you need to support with
evidence.
It's just simple logic. If you can [not] refute the logic, you have to accept
the conclusion.
I don't "have to accept" anything. Your so-called logic is
irrelevant.
Blind denial.
Evasion.
That is you.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Supporting evidence is required.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Someone invented the wheel. Who?
The wheel is the evidence of its maker. Who is the maker is entirely
another question.
That was exactly the question. Who invented the wheel?
The question is about his existence. It's not about his name. If you
want argue about the name, you have already acknowledged the existence
of the person.
Actually historians think no one person invented the wheel but it
developed in several unrelated cultures.
Pure speculation. In ancient time, it is not possible to pass the same
story across different cultures, regions, and times.
It isn't a story. It is the development of a tool. You may as well
say one person invented the hammer, the spear, or developed fire.
These were occurrences that happened to multiple isolated societies.
The philosophy of Jesus is based on the life of Jesus. The life of Jesus
has been recorded in the Gospels as the story of Jesus.
So you say but I say you lie.
There is no lie. Anyone who follows the philosophy of Jesus can testify
for that.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
If it's indeed the
same story, it can only be the work of God.
That is about as meaningful as ""Oh, look! A pile of poop! That
proves there is a god!"
That's just your blind denial again.
Evasion.
That's you.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Therefore the existence of the wheel does not automatically mean
someone invented it.
False. The invention requires the inventor.
Oh? Does that also go for the spear, the hammer, the bow, the wheel
and fire? All of which were developed by isolated groups that had no
possibility of ever coming into contact.
If it's an invention, there must be an inventor. That's just simple
common sense.
Please explain to me how a society in Australia and a society in the
Middle East and a society in China could have all developed the use of
fire when travel to that extent was impossible? Or the use of a
knife? Or a club? Or a spear?
Because they can all learn from the ultimate inventor who is God himself.
Post by Attila
There are many other examples.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
To simply say something was done and therefore someone must have done
it is about as meaningless a comment as it is possible to make
The philosophy of Jesus is not an ordinary thing.
I have no idea what it is but I am sure someone else could have
written it.
Post by aaa
It's based on the real
life of Jesus.
How do I know you are not lying?
Because it has been testified by countless Christians throughout history
with their own lives.
Perhaps they were all fooled by lies.
That's what you have to find out for yourself.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Their testimony is the evidence that the
philosophy of Jesus is based on real life experience. It can't be made
up by the Gospel writers.
Sure it can. Anything that can be understood can be made up. There
is testimony from many people about being kidnapped by space aliens.
Do you think that establishes such kidnapping as fact?
A testimony is based on the real life experience. It can't be made up,
and it has nothing to do with hallucinations.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
It can't be created by anyone else.
See above.
See above.
They could all be lies.
Then you can give your own testimony by following the teaching of Jesus
yourself.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
In the exact same way, the spiritual and
philosophical teaching of Jesus is already the evidence of the
historical Jesus.
Nope. Not even close for many reasons. Vagueness and ambiguity being
the main culprits.
The only vagueness is due to your blind denial of the teaching of Jesus.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person ever existed.
Blind denial already. That may be a new record.
You can't beat your own record. It's still nothing but your blind denial.
It didn't take you long to reach that standard evasion.
I'm only pointing out the fact.
The only fact here is that you always end up in evasion.
That is still your blind denial of the fact.
More evasion.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasions.
That's you. Stop evading now.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-29 17:59:45 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
Where is the evidence supporting that?
Where is the evidence supporting the existence of such a person?
It's all recorded in history books and in the best selling
book in the world - The Bible.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence, as CH said.
However, the truth of the Bible is the evidence.
You are assuming it contains truth. Why is that? How do you know it
isn't all lies?
It's not an assumption. It's assured conviction because it's the Word of
God.
That is the assumption. Where is your supporting evidence?
The evidence is found in following the Word of God in real life. What's
found in real life can never be an assumption.
That is not evidence. It is an assumption and is ambiguous.
Life is never an assumption. There is nothing ambiguous in life.
I am talking about evidence, not life.
Life is the evidence.
To you perhaps but not to anyone else. Does that tell you anything
other than everybody but you must be wrong?
No one can deny life.
Irrelevant. The existence of life does not automatically prove
anything about any god.
God is only found and realized in real life.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God who is spiritual instead of physical.
I have yet to see any evidence that supports anything spiritual being
real. Therefore I consider the subject imaginary.
If you acknowledge the author of the scientific theory, you have to
acknowledge the author of the philosophical teaching written in the
Gospels. It's simple logic.
It is simply wrong. The existence of a theory has nothing to do with
anything other than the content of that theory.
It requires an author.
So what? There currently over seven billion candidates.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Does the establishment of a theory mean aircraft must fly on schedule?
The local grocery must have toilet paper?
I am going to win the lottery?
Why will you not answer?
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
That statement will not change - I have posted it for you at least a
dozen times.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
You are still wrong.
For something as profound as Jesus's alleged life, there
is surprisingly little independent mention. And before
you go there, Josephus is highly suspect.
There is more than one way to prove a person's existence. Einstein
doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will forever be the
evidence of his existence.
Which theory would that be? There are several possibilities, some of
which have been proven wrong. Plus the obvious - the existence of a
theory is not proof of the existence of a particular person unless it
can be proven that person developed that theory.
What are you talking about? Are you going to deny that Einstein
developed his own theory?
He developed more than one theory and just because his name is on a
theory is not evidence that he developed that theory. Or ever
existed. Independent evidence is required.
Everybody knows what Einstein's theory is.
He had two - Special Relativity and General Relativity. He received
his Nobel Prize "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and
especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."
Since they are all his theories, what's the difference? Did he steal one
of them from someone else?
No, but you talk as if there is only one thing.
I don't want to be specific. What's wrong with that?
Of course you don't. But you did talk about Einstein and "his theory"
when there is more than one theory and none of them earned the Nobel
Prize.
Why is that important? It has nothing to do with my point.
Yes it does. It shows your statement " Einstein doesn't need to be
proven historically. His theory will forever be the evidence of his
existence." is in error. He had at least two theories and his best
known accomplishment was not based on either of them.
One theory is enough. There is no need to be specific. So it doesn't matter.
If a theory exists that only supports it's existence. It had nothing
to do with who developed it or whether it is valid or not.
The theory can't appear by magic. It has to be developed by the scientist.
It probably was developed by someone but it does nothing to support
the existence of any particular someone without supporting evidence.
Anyone could have developed the theory.
According to the philosophical teaching itself, its author is named
Jesus. If you can't deny the teaching, you have to acknowledge the author.
Perhaps it is a lie. Why not?
The testimony of countless Christians shows it's not a lie.
I can give you the testimony of countless Chinese. Does that prove
their religion is valid? Hindu? Muslum?

Testimony is not worth squat as far as facts are concerned unless it
is from widely divergent sources and is unambiguous, unrelated and
verifiable.

If it is from one source it is useless.
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Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
The theory is the evidence.
Not by itself it isn't.
Blind denial. A scientific theory is always the evidence of the scientist.
A scientist. Additional evidence is required to identify the
scientist involved.
If there is no scientist involved, there can't be a scientific theory in
the first place.
But which scientist? That is the question.
No. The question is about the existence of the scientist. It's not about
the name of the scientist.
" Einstein doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will
forever be the evidence of his existence."
That's right.
That is what you said and that is what you need to support with
evidence.
It's just simple logic. If you can [not] refute the logic, you have to accept
the conclusion.
I don't "have to accept" anything. Your so-called logic is
irrelevant.
Blind denial.
Evasion.
That is you.
You still will not address the issue.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Supporting evidence is required.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Someone invented the wheel. Who?
The wheel is the evidence of its maker. Who is the maker is entirely
another question.
That was exactly the question. Who invented the wheel?
The question is about his existence. It's not about his name. If you
want argue about the name, you have already acknowledged the existence
of the person.
Actually historians think no one person invented the wheel but it
developed in several unrelated cultures.
Pure speculation. In ancient time, it is not possible to pass the same
story across different cultures, regions, and times.
It isn't a story. It is the development of a tool. You may as well
say one person invented the hammer, the spear, or developed fire.
These were occurrences that happened to multiple isolated societies.
The philosophy of Jesus is based on the life of Jesus. The life of Jesus
has been recorded in the Gospels as the story of Jesus.
So you say but I say you lie.
There is no lie. Anyone who follows the philosophy of Jesus can testify
for that.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person. As far as I am concerned anything connected with that
person is a lie.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
If it's indeed the
same story, it can only be the work of God.
That is about as meaningful as ""Oh, look! A pile of poop! That
proves there is a god!"
That's just your blind denial again.
Evasion.
That's you.
You still will not address the issue.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Therefore the existence of the wheel does not automatically mean
someone invented it.
False. The invention requires the inventor.
Oh? Does that also go for the spear, the hammer, the bow, the wheel
and fire? All of which were developed by isolated groups that had no
possibility of ever coming into contact.
If it's an invention, there must be an inventor. That's just simple
common sense.
Please explain to me how a society in Australia and a society in the
Middle East and a society in China could have all developed the use of
fire when travel to that extent was impossible? Or the use of a
knife? Or a club? Or a spear?
Because they can all learn from the ultimate inventor who is God himself.
I contend you made that up.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
There are many other examples.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
To simply say something was done and therefore someone must have done
it is about as meaningless a comment as it is possible to make
The philosophy of Jesus is not an ordinary thing.
I have no idea what it is but I am sure someone else could have
written it.
Post by aaa
It's based on the real
life of Jesus.
How do I know you are not lying?
Because it has been testified by countless Christians throughout history
with their own lives.
Perhaps they were all fooled by lies.
That's what you have to find out for yourself.
But I could not care less.

It all means nothing to me.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Their testimony is the evidence that the
philosophy of Jesus is based on real life experience. It can't be made
up by the Gospel writers.
Sure it can. Anything that can be understood can be made up. There
is testimony from many people about being kidnapped by space aliens.
Do you think that establishes such kidnapping as fact?
A testimony is based on the real life experience.
So what? It can be in error, or a deliberate lie. How does anyone
know?
Post by aaa
It can't be made up,
Sure it can. One of my life experiences involved a party with 200
naked Las Vegas dancers moderated by Madonna and Dolly Parton while
prizes were handed out by Billy Graham for the best nipples. It
occurred on the White House lawn at high noon on a Monday. A joint
session of Congress was invited as special guests.

That is my testimony.
Post by aaa
and it has nothing to do with hallucinations.
It wasn't hallucination. Film at 11.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
It can't be created by anyone else.
See above.
See above.
They could all be lies.
Then you can give your own testimony by following the teaching of Jesus
yourself.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person. As far as I am concerned anything connected with that
person is a lie.

I have outlined my ststamony above.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
In the exact same way, the spiritual and
philosophical teaching of Jesus is already the evidence of the
historical Jesus.
Nope. Not even close for many reasons. Vagueness and ambiguity being
the main culprits.
The only vagueness is due to your blind denial of the teaching of Jesus.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person ever existed.
Blind denial already. That may be a new record.
You can't beat your own record. It's still nothing but your blind denial.
It didn't take you long to reach that standard evasion.
I'm only pointing out the fact.
The only fact here is that you always end up in evasion.
That is still your blind denial of the fact.
More evasion.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasions.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You still will not address the issue.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-30 13:24:13 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
Where is the evidence supporting that?
Where is the evidence supporting the existence of such a person?
It's all recorded in history books and in the best selling
book in the world - The Bible.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence, as CH said.
However, the truth of the Bible is the evidence.
You are assuming it contains truth. Why is that? How do you know it
isn't all lies?
It's not an assumption. It's assured conviction because it's the Word of
God.
That is the assumption. Where is your supporting evidence?
The evidence is found in following the Word of God in real life. What's
found in real life can never be an assumption.
That is not evidence. It is an assumption and is ambiguous.
Life is never an assumption. There is nothing ambiguous in life.
I am talking about evidence, not life.
Life is the evidence.
To you perhaps but not to anyone else. Does that tell you anything
other than everybody but you must be wrong?
No one can deny life.
Irrelevant. The existence of life does not automatically prove
anything about any god.
God is only found and realized in real life.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God who is spiritual instead of physical.
I have yet to see any evidence that supports anything spiritual being
real. Therefore I consider the subject imaginary.
If you acknowledge the author of the scientific theory, you have to
acknowledge the author of the philosophical teaching written in the
Gospels. It's simple logic.
It is simply wrong. The existence of a theory has nothing to do with
anything other than the content of that theory.
It requires an author.
So what? There currently over seven billion candidates.
Thank you. I'm glad you have acknowledged the existence of this author.
My job is done.
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Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Does the establishment of a theory mean aircraft must fly on schedule?
The local grocery must have toilet paper?
I am going to win the lottery?
Why will you not answer?
Because it has nothing to do with my actual point.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
That statement will not change - I have posted it for you at least a
dozen times.
Post by aaa
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You are still wrong.
For something as profound as Jesus's alleged life, there
is surprisingly little independent mention. And before
you go there, Josephus is highly suspect.
There is more than one way to prove a person's existence. Einstein
doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will forever be the
evidence of his existence.
Which theory would that be? There are several possibilities, some of
which have been proven wrong. Plus the obvious - the existence of a
theory is not proof of the existence of a particular person unless it
can be proven that person developed that theory.
What are you talking about? Are you going to deny that Einstein
developed his own theory?
He developed more than one theory and just because his name is on a
theory is not evidence that he developed that theory. Or ever
existed. Independent evidence is required.
Everybody knows what Einstein's theory is.
He had two - Special Relativity and General Relativity. He received
his Nobel Prize "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and
especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."
Since they are all his theories, what's the difference? Did he steal one
of them from someone else?
No, but you talk as if there is only one thing.
I don't want to be specific. What's wrong with that?
Of course you don't. But you did talk about Einstein and "his theory"
when there is more than one theory and none of them earned the Nobel
Prize.
Why is that important? It has nothing to do with my point.
Yes it does. It shows your statement " Einstein doesn't need to be
proven historically. His theory will forever be the evidence of his
existence." is in error. He had at least two theories and his best
known accomplishment was not based on either of them.
One theory is enough. There is no need to be specific. So it doesn't matter.
If a theory exists that only supports it's existence. It had nothing
to do with who developed it or whether it is valid or not.
The theory can't appear by magic. It has to be developed by the scientist.
It probably was developed by someone but it does nothing to support
the existence of any particular someone without supporting evidence.
Anyone could have developed the theory.
According to the philosophical teaching itself, its author is named
Jesus. If you can't deny the teaching, you have to acknowledge the author.
Perhaps it is a lie. Why not?
The testimony of countless Christians shows it's not a lie.
I can give you the testimony of countless Chinese. Does that prove
their religion is valid? Hindu? Muslum?
If it's based on their real life experience, yes.
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Testimony is not worth squat as far as facts are concerned unless it
is from widely divergent sources and is unambiguous, unrelated and
verifiable.
A testimony is based on the real life experience. It's the best evidence
in this physical world because it's proven by life.
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If it is from one source it is useless.
People's life experience can't be denied.
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The theory is the evidence.
Not by itself it isn't.
Blind denial. A scientific theory is always the evidence of the scientist.
A scientist. Additional evidence is required to identify the
scientist involved.
If there is no scientist involved, there can't be a scientific theory in
the first place.
But which scientist? That is the question.
No. The question is about the existence of the scientist. It's not about
the name of the scientist.
" Einstein doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will
forever be the evidence of his existence."
That's right.
That is what you said and that is what you need to support with
evidence.
It's just simple logic. If you can [not] refute the logic, you have to accept
the conclusion.
I don't "have to accept" anything. Your so-called logic is
irrelevant.
Blind denial.
Evasion.
That is you.
You still will not address the issue.
That is you.
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Supporting evidence is required.
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Someone invented the wheel. Who?
The wheel is the evidence of its maker. Who is the maker is entirely
another question.
That was exactly the question. Who invented the wheel?
The question is about his existence. It's not about his name. If you
want argue about the name, you have already acknowledged the existence
of the person.
Actually historians think no one person invented the wheel but it
developed in several unrelated cultures.
Pure speculation. In ancient time, it is not possible to pass the same
story across different cultures, regions, and times.
It isn't a story. It is the development of a tool. You may as well
say one person invented the hammer, the spear, or developed fire.
These were occurrences that happened to multiple isolated societies.
The philosophy of Jesus is based on the life of Jesus. The life of Jesus
has been recorded in the Gospels as the story of Jesus.
So you say but I say you lie.
There is no lie. Anyone who follows the philosophy of Jesus can testify
for that.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person. As far as I am concerned anything connected with that
person is a lie.
That is still your ignorance speaking.
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If it's indeed the
same story, it can only be the work of God.
That is about as meaningful as ""Oh, look! A pile of poop! That
proves there is a god!"
That's just your blind denial again.
Evasion.
That's you.
You still will not address the issue.
That is you.
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Therefore the existence of the wheel does not automatically mean
someone invented it.
False. The invention requires the inventor.
Oh? Does that also go for the spear, the hammer, the bow, the wheel
and fire? All of which were developed by isolated groups that had no
possibility of ever coming into contact.
If it's an invention, there must be an inventor. That's just simple
common sense.
Please explain to me how a society in Australia and a society in the
Middle East and a society in China could have all developed the use of
fire when travel to that extent was impossible? Or the use of a
knife? Or a club? Or a spear?
Because they can all learn from the ultimate inventor who is God himself.
I contend you made that up.
Nope.
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There are many other examples.
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To simply say something was done and therefore someone must have done
it is about as meaningless a comment as it is possible to make
The philosophy of Jesus is not an ordinary thing.
I have no idea what it is but I am sure someone else could have
written it.
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It's based on the real
life of Jesus.
How do I know you are not lying?
Because it has been testified by countless Christians throughout history
with their own lives.
Perhaps they were all fooled by lies.
That's what you have to find out for yourself.
But I could not care less.
It all means nothing to me.
Too bad. That's still just your blind denial.
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Their testimony is the evidence that the
philosophy of Jesus is based on real life experience. It can't be made
up by the Gospel writers.
Sure it can. Anything that can be understood can be made up. There
is testimony from many people about being kidnapped by space aliens.
Do you think that establishes such kidnapping as fact?
A testimony is based on the real life experience.
So what? It can be in error, or a deliberate lie. How does anyone
know?
Since it's proven in life, it can't be in error.
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It can't be made up,
Sure it can. One of my life experiences involved a party with 200
naked Las Vegas dancers moderated by Madonna and Dolly Parton while
prizes were handed out by Billy Graham for the best nipples. It
occurred on the White House lawn at high noon on a Monday. A joint
session of Congress was invited as special guests.
That is my testimony.
A real testimony has to be based on real life.
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and it has nothing to do with hallucinations.
It wasn't hallucination. Film at 11.
It's not real life either.
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It can't be created by anyone else.
See above.
See above.
They could all be lies.
Then you can give your own testimony by following the teaching of Jesus
yourself.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person. As far as I am concerned anything connected with that
person is a lie.
I have outlined my ststamony above.
It's no testimony. It's only blind denial.
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In the exact same way, the spiritual and
philosophical teaching of Jesus is already the evidence of the
historical Jesus.
Nope. Not even close for many reasons. Vagueness and ambiguity being
the main culprits.
The only vagueness is due to your blind denial of the teaching of Jesus.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person ever existed.
Blind denial already. That may be a new record.
You can't beat your own record. It's still nothing but your blind denial.
It didn't take you long to reach that standard evasion.
I'm only pointing out the fact.
The only fact here is that you always end up in evasion.
That is still your blind denial of the fact.
More evasion.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasions.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You still will not address the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
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God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
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Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
Where is the evidence supporting that?
Where is the evidence supporting the existence of such a person?
It's all recorded in history books and in the best selling
book in the world - The Bible.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence, as CH said.
However, the truth of the Bible is the evidence.
You are assuming it contains truth. Why is that? How do you know it
isn't all lies?
It's not an assumption. It's assured conviction because it's the Word of
God.
That is the assumption. Where is your supporting evidence?
The evidence is found in following the Word of God in real life. What's
found in real life can never be an assumption.
That is not evidence. It is an assumption and is ambiguous.
Life is never an assumption. There is nothing ambiguous in life.
I am talking about evidence, not life.
Life is the evidence.
To you perhaps but not to anyone else. Does that tell you anything
other than everybody but you must be wrong?
No one can deny life.
Irrelevant. The existence of life does not automatically prove
anything about any god.
God is only found and realized in real life.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God who is spiritual instead of physical.
I have yet to see any evidence that supports anything spiritual being
real. Therefore I consider the subject imaginary.
If you acknowledge the author of the scientific theory, you have to
acknowledge the author of the philosophical teaching written in the
Gospels. It's simple logic.
It is simply wrong. The existence of a theory has nothing to do with
anything other than the content of that theory.
It requires an author.
So what? There currently over seven billion candidates.
Thank you. I'm glad you have acknowledged the existence of this author.
My job is done.
Nothing points to any particular author. It could have been anyone.
you have established nothing.
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Does the establishment of a theory mean aircraft must fly on schedule?
The local grocery must have toilet paper?
I am going to win the lottery?
Why will you not answer?
Because it has nothing to do with my actual point.
Of course it does but since it blows you point away you will never
admit it.

The establishment of a theory means a theory has been established.
Nothing more than that.
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That statement will not change - I have posted it for you at least a
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You are still wrong.
For something as profound as Jesus's alleged life, there
is surprisingly little independent mention. And before
you go there, Josephus is highly suspect.
There is more than one way to prove a person's existence. Einstein
doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will forever be the
evidence of his existence.
Which theory would that be? There are several possibilities, some of
which have been proven wrong. Plus the obvious - the existence of a
theory is not proof of the existence of a particular person unless it
can be proven that person developed that theory.
What are you talking about? Are you going to deny that Einstein
developed his own theory?
He developed more than one theory and just because his name is on a
theory is not evidence that he developed that theory. Or ever
existed. Independent evidence is required.
Everybody knows what Einstein's theory is.
He had two - Special Relativity and General Relativity. He received
his Nobel Prize "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and
especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."
Since they are all his theories, what's the difference? Did he steal one
of them from someone else?
No, but you talk as if there is only one thing.
I don't want to be specific. What's wrong with that?
Of course you don't. But you did talk about Einstein and "his theory"
when there is more than one theory and none of them earned the Nobel
Prize.
Why is that important? It has nothing to do with my point.
Yes it does. It shows your statement " Einstein doesn't need to be
proven historically. His theory will forever be the evidence of his
existence." is in error. He had at least two theories and his best
known accomplishment was not based on either of them.
One theory is enough. There is no need to be specific. So it doesn't matter.
If a theory exists that only supports it's existence. It had nothing
to do with who developed it or whether it is valid or not.
The theory can't appear by magic. It has to be developed by the scientist.
It probably was developed by someone but it does nothing to support
the existence of any particular someone without supporting evidence.
Anyone could have developed the theory.
According to the philosophical teaching itself, its author is named
Jesus. If you can't deny the teaching, you have to acknowledge the author.
Perhaps it is a lie. Why not?
The testimony of countless Christians shows it's not a lie.
I can give you the testimony of countless Chinese. Does that prove
their religion is valid? Hindu? Muslum?
If it's based on their real life experience, yes.
Therefore every religion is as valid as any other religion. How does
that work? So many conflicting gods.
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Testimony is not worth squat as far as facts are concerned unless it
is from widely divergent sources and is unambiguous, unrelated and
verifiable.
A testimony is based on the real life experience. It's the best evidence
in this physical world because it's proven by life.
It proves nothing. I can give a testimony that the moon is made of
green cheese. Does that mean the moon is in fact made of green
cheese?

Why not? After all that is my testimony and it "is based on the real
life experience". "It's the best evidence in this physical world
because it's proven by life."

You said so.
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If it is from one source it is useless.
People's life experience can't be denied.
How about those who lie or are delusional?

Were all those people actually kidnapped by space aliens?
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The theory is the evidence.
Not by itself it isn't.
Blind denial. A scientific theory is always the evidence of the scientist.
A scientist. Additional evidence is required to identify the
scientist involved.
If there is no scientist involved, there can't be a scientific theory in
the first place.
But which scientist? That is the question.
No. The question is about the existence of the scientist. It's not about
the name of the scientist.
" Einstein doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will
forever be the evidence of his existence."
That's right.
That is what you said and that is what you need to support with
evidence.
It's just simple logic. If you can [not] refute the logic, you have to accept
the conclusion.
I don't "have to accept" anything. Your so-called logic is
irrelevant.
Blind denial.
Evasion.
That is you.
You still will not address the issue.
That is you.
You still will not address the issue.
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Supporting evidence is required.
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Someone invented the wheel. Who?
The wheel is the evidence of its maker. Who is the maker is entirely
another question.
That was exactly the question. Who invented the wheel?
The question is about his existence. It's not about his name. If you
want argue about the name, you have already acknowledged the existence
of the person.
Actually historians think no one person invented the wheel but it
developed in several unrelated cultures.
Pure speculation. In ancient time, it is not possible to pass the same
story across different cultures, regions, and times.
It isn't a story. It is the development of a tool. You may as well
say one person invented the hammer, the spear, or developed fire.
These were occurrences that happened to multiple isolated societies.
The philosophy of Jesus is based on the life of Jesus. The life of Jesus
has been recorded in the Gospels as the story of Jesus.
So you say but I say you lie.
There is no lie. Anyone who follows the philosophy of Jesus can testify
for that.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person. As far as I am concerned anything connected with that
person is a lie.
That is still your ignorance speaking.
Oh? There is such evidence? Where? I have never seen it and no
matter how often you repeat it I am not blind.

Like almost everyone I cannot see what is not there.
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If it's indeed the
same story, it can only be the work of God.
That is about as meaningful as ""Oh, look! A pile of poop! That
proves there is a god!"
That's just your blind denial again.
Evasion.
That's you.
You still will not address the issue.
That is you.
You still will not address the issue.
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Therefore the existence of the wheel does not automatically mean
someone invented it.
False. The invention requires the inventor.
Oh? Does that also go for the spear, the hammer, the bow, the wheel
and fire? All of which were developed by isolated groups that had no
possibility of ever coming into contact.
If it's an invention, there must be an inventor. That's just simple
common sense.
Please explain to me how a society in Australia and a society in the
Middle East and a society in China could have all developed the use of
fire when travel to that extent was impossible? Or the use of a
knife? Or a club? Or a spear?
Because they can all learn from the ultimate inventor who is God himself.
I contend you made that up.
Nope.
Oh? Where is your supporting evidence for your statement that proves
you did not make it up?
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There are many other examples.
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To simply say something was done and therefore someone must have done
it is about as meaningless a comment as it is possible to make
The philosophy of Jesus is not an ordinary thing.
I have no idea what it is but I am sure someone else could have
written it.
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It's based on the real
life of Jesus.
How do I know you are not lying?
Because it has been testified by countless Christians throughout history
with their own lives.
Perhaps they were all fooled by lies.
That's what you have to find out for yourself.
But I could not care less.
It all means nothing to me.
Too bad. That's still just your blind denial.
It still means nothing to me. Why should it?
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Their testimony is the evidence that the
philosophy of Jesus is based on real life experience. It can't be made
up by the Gospel writers.
Sure it can. Anything that can be understood can be made up. There
is testimony from many people about being kidnapped by space aliens.
Do you think that establishes such kidnapping as fact?
A testimony is based on the real life experience.
So what? It can be in error, or a deliberate lie. How does anyone
know?
Since it's proven in life, it can't be in error.
How does anyone know it is proven by anything? Your statement
actually means nothing.
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It can't be made up,
Sure it can. One of my life experiences involved a party with 200
naked Las Vegas dancers moderated by Madonna and Dolly Parton while
prizes were handed out by Billy Graham for the best nipples. It
occurred on the White House lawn at high noon on a Monday. A joint
session of Congress was invited as special guests.
That is my testimony.
A real testimony has to be based on real life.
I say that is based on real life. Therefore you must accept it as
being real testimony and therefore as being true.
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and it has nothing to do with hallucinations.
It wasn't hallucination. Film at 11.
It's not real life either.
I say it was. Therefore you must accept it.
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It can't be created by anyone else.
See above.
See above.
They could all be lies.
Then you can give your own testimony by following the teaching of Jesus
yourself.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person. As far as I am concerned anything connected with that
person is a lie.
I have outlined my ststamony above.
It's no testimony. It's only blind denial.
It is my testimony. I have stated it is. Therefore by your rules you
must accept it.
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In the exact same way, the spiritual and
philosophical teaching of Jesus is already the evidence of the
historical Jesus.
Nope. Not even close for many reasons. Vagueness and ambiguity being
the main culprits.
The only vagueness is due to your blind denial of the teaching of Jesus.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person ever existed.
Blind denial already. That may be a new record.
You can't beat your own record. It's still nothing but your blind denial.
It didn't take you long to reach that standard evasion.
I'm only pointing out the fact.
The only fact here is that you always end up in evasion.
That is still your blind denial of the fact.
More evasion.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasions.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You still will not address the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You still will not address the issue.
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Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
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So heaven is up in the sky somewhere, possibly above the
firmament? Or in a different galaxy?
Probably in a different dimension. That makes the most sense.
When God said, "Let there be light" and released the Big
Bang, he obviously did so from a different dimension because
the dimension created by the Big Bang did not exist at creation
time.
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Now you're saying God can't exist outside a dimension?
This is just getting better.
How many dimensions does a supreme being occupy?
Well superstring theory requires ten dimensions.
It's just that the extra ones are rolled up really really really really really
really really really tiny, which is why we don't detect them.
If that's where God is hiding, He's a really really really really really tiny God indeed.
Like Planck length tiny.
Oko
The string theory only predicts the parallel dimension. God's dimension
is the higher dimension. They are not the same thing. The higher
dimension has total control and access to the lower dimension. It's just
like the eagle(a three dimensional animal) has total control over the
snake(a two dimensional animal).
Why do you say a snake is two dimensional? Are you aware a snake can
strike upwards? Are you aware some snakes live in trees? Are you
aware some snakes can fly?
When comparing with the Eagle, it's quite two dimensional.
No, it isn't.
Blind denial.
Standard evasion.
Modern
warfare is largely determined by air superiority because it has the
higher dimensional advantage.
Actually air superiority never won a war. It takes boots on the
ground to actually finish the job. We had air superiority in Nam and
we still got our butts kicked.
You can't deny the advantage of air superiority. It doesn't have to win
the war, but it does win every battle.
Since God controls the ultimate higher
dimensional advantage, the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God.
Standard evasion.
Just pointing out the fact.
That you always en up in an evasion? We all knew that.
That is still your blind denial.
And so the evasions begin.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
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Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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So heaven is up in the sky somewhere, possibly above the
firmament? Or in a different galaxy?
Probably in a different dimension. That makes the most sense.
When God said, "Let there be light" and released the Big
Bang, he obviously did so from a different dimension because
the dimension created by the Big Bang did not exist at creation
time.
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Now you're saying God can't exist outside a dimension?
This is just getting better.
How many dimensions does a supreme being occupy?
Well superstring theory requires ten dimensions.
It's just that the extra ones are rolled up really really really really really
really really really tiny, which is why we don't detect them.
If that's where God is hiding, He's a really really really really really tiny God indeed.
Like Planck length tiny.
Oko
The string theory only predicts the parallel dimension. God's dimension
is the higher dimension. They are not the same thing. The higher
dimension has total control and access to the lower dimension. It's just
like the eagle(a three dimensional animal) has total control over the
snake(a two dimensional animal).
Why do you say a snake is two dimensional? Are you aware a snake can
strike upwards? Are you aware some snakes live in trees? Are you
aware some snakes can fly?
When comparing with the Eagle, it's quite two dimensional.
No, it isn't.
Blind denial.
Standard evasion.
Modern
warfare is largely determined by air superiority because it has the
higher dimensional advantage.
Actually air superiority never won a war. It takes boots on the
ground to actually finish the job. We had air superiority in Nam and
we still got our butts kicked.
You can't deny the advantage of air superiority. It doesn't have to win
the war, but it does win every battle.
Since God controls the ultimate higher
dimensional advantage, the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God.
Standard evasion.
Just pointing out the fact.
That you always en up in an evasion? We all knew that.
That is still your blind denial.
And so the evasions begin.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-28 01:23:21 UTC
Permalink
<...>
So heaven is up in the sky somewhere, possibly above the
firmament? Or in a different galaxy?
Probably in a different dimension. That makes the most sense.
When God said, "Let there be light" and released the Big
Bang, he obviously did so from a different dimension because
the dimension created by the Big Bang did not exist at creation
time.
==
Now you're saying God can't exist outside a dimension?
This is just getting better.
How many dimensions does a supreme being occupy?
Well superstring theory requires ten dimensions.
It's just that the extra ones are rolled up really really really really really
really really really tiny, which is why we don't detect them.
If that's where God is hiding, He's a really really really really really tiny God indeed.
Like Planck length tiny.
Oko
The string theory only predicts the parallel dimension. God's dimension
is the higher dimension. They are not the same thing. The higher
dimension has total control and access to the lower dimension. It's just
like the eagle(a three dimensional animal) has total control over the
snake(a two dimensional animal).
Why do you say a snake is two dimensional? Are you aware a snake can
strike upwards? Are you aware some snakes live in trees? Are you
aware some snakes can fly?
When comparing with the Eagle, it's quite two dimensional.
No, it isn't.
Blind denial.
Standard evasion.
Modern
warfare is largely determined by air superiority because it has the
higher dimensional advantage.
Actually air superiority never won a war. It takes boots on the
ground to actually finish the job. We had air superiority in Nam and
we still got our butts kicked.
You can't deny the advantage of air superiority. It doesn't have to win
the war, but it does win every battle.
Since God controls the ultimate higher
dimensional advantage, the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God.
Standard evasion.
Just pointing out the fact.
That you always en up in an evasion? We all knew that.
That is still your blind denial.
And so the evasions begin.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-28 18:23:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
<...>
So heaven is up in the sky somewhere, possibly above the
firmament? Or in a different galaxy?
Probably in a different dimension. That makes the most sense.
When God said, "Let there be light" and released the Big
Bang, he obviously did so from a different dimension because
the dimension created by the Big Bang did not exist at creation
time.
==
Now you're saying God can't exist outside a dimension?
This is just getting better.
How many dimensions does a supreme being occupy?
Well superstring theory requires ten dimensions.
It's just that the extra ones are rolled up really really really really really
really really really tiny, which is why we don't detect them.
If that's where God is hiding, He's a really really really really really tiny God indeed.
Like Planck length tiny.
Oko
The string theory only predicts the parallel dimension. God's dimension
is the higher dimension. They are not the same thing. The higher
dimension has total control and access to the lower dimension. It's just
like the eagle(a three dimensional animal) has total control over the
snake(a two dimensional animal).
Why do you say a snake is two dimensional? Are you aware a snake can
strike upwards? Are you aware some snakes live in trees? Are you
aware some snakes can fly?
When comparing with the Eagle, it's quite two dimensional.
No, it isn't.
Blind denial.
Standard evasion.
Modern
warfare is largely determined by air superiority because it has the
higher dimensional advantage.
Actually air superiority never won a war. It takes boots on the
ground to actually finish the job. We had air superiority in Nam and
we still got our butts kicked.
You can't deny the advantage of air superiority. It doesn't have to win
the war, but it does win every battle.
Since God controls the ultimate higher
dimensional advantage, the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God.
Standard evasion.
Just pointing out the fact.
That you always en up in an evasion? We all knew that.
That is still your blind denial.
And so the evasions begin.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-29 00:01:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
<...>
So heaven is up in the sky somewhere, possibly above the
firmament? Or in a different galaxy?
Probably in a different dimension. That makes the most sense.
When God said, "Let there be light" and released the Big
Bang, he obviously did so from a different dimension because
the dimension created by the Big Bang did not exist at creation
time.
==
Now you're saying God can't exist outside a dimension?
This is just getting better.
How many dimensions does a supreme being occupy?
Well superstring theory requires ten dimensions.
It's just that the extra ones are rolled up really really really really really
really really really tiny, which is why we don't detect them.
If that's where God is hiding, He's a really really really really really tiny God indeed.
Like Planck length tiny.
Oko
The string theory only predicts the parallel dimension. God's dimension
is the higher dimension. They are not the same thing. The higher
dimension has total control and access to the lower dimension. It's just
like the eagle(a three dimensional animal) has total control over the
snake(a two dimensional animal).
Why do you say a snake is two dimensional? Are you aware a snake can
strike upwards? Are you aware some snakes live in trees? Are you
aware some snakes can fly?
When comparing with the Eagle, it's quite two dimensional.
No, it isn't.
Blind denial.
Standard evasion.
Modern
warfare is largely determined by air superiority because it has the
higher dimensional advantage.
Actually air superiority never won a war. It takes boots on the
ground to actually finish the job. We had air superiority in Nam and
we still got our butts kicked.
You can't deny the advantage of air superiority. It doesn't have to win
the war, but it does win every battle.
Since God controls the ultimate higher
dimensional advantage, the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God.
Standard evasion.
Just pointing out the fact.
That you always end up in an evasion? We all knew that.
That is still your blind denial.
And so the evasions begin.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-29 14:15:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
Post by Attila
<...>
So heaven is up in the sky somewhere, possibly above the
firmament? Or in a different galaxy?
Probably in a different dimension. That makes the most sense.
When God said, "Let there be light" and released the Big
Bang, he obviously did so from a different dimension because
the dimension created by the Big Bang did not exist at creation
time.
==
Now you're saying God can't exist outside a dimension?
This is just getting better.
How many dimensions does a supreme being occupy?
Well superstring theory requires ten dimensions.
It's just that the extra ones are rolled up really really really really really
really really really tiny, which is why we don't detect them.
If that's where God is hiding, He's a really really really really really tiny God indeed.
Like Planck length tiny.
Oko
The string theory only predicts the parallel dimension. God's dimension
is the higher dimension. They are not the same thing. The higher
dimension has total control and access to the lower dimension. It's just
like the eagle(a three dimensional animal) has total control over the
snake(a two dimensional animal).
Why do you say a snake is two dimensional? Are you aware a snake can
strike upwards? Are you aware some snakes live in trees? Are you
aware some snakes can fly?
When comparing with the Eagle, it's quite two dimensional.
No, it isn't.
Blind denial.
Standard evasion.
Modern
warfare is largely determined by air superiority because it has the
higher dimensional advantage.
Actually air superiority never won a war. It takes boots on the
ground to actually finish the job. We had air superiority in Nam and
we still got our butts kicked.
You can't deny the advantage of air superiority. It doesn't have to win
the war, but it does win every battle.
Since God controls the ultimate higher
dimensional advantage, the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God.
Standard evasion.
Just pointing out the fact.
That you always end up in an evasion? We all knew that.
That is still your blind denial.
And so the evasions begin.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
You only prove your blindness.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-29 18:02:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by Attila
<...>
So heaven is up in the sky somewhere, possibly above the
firmament? Or in a different galaxy?
Probably in a different dimension. That makes the most sense.
When God said, "Let there be light" and released the Big
Bang, he obviously did so from a different dimension because
the dimension created by the Big Bang did not exist at creation
time.
==
Now you're saying God can't exist outside a dimension?
This is just getting better.
How many dimensions does a supreme being occupy?
Well superstring theory requires ten dimensions.
It's just that the extra ones are rolled up really really really really really
really really really tiny, which is why we don't detect them.
If that's where God is hiding, He's a really really really really really tiny God indeed.
Like Planck length tiny.
Oko
The string theory only predicts the parallel dimension. God's dimension
is the higher dimension. They are not the same thing. The higher
dimension has total control and access to the lower dimension. It's just
like the eagle(a three dimensional animal) has total control over the
snake(a two dimensional animal).
Why do you say a snake is two dimensional? Are you aware a snake can
strike upwards? Are you aware some snakes live in trees? Are you
aware some snakes can fly?
When comparing with the Eagle, it's quite two dimensional.
No, it isn't.
Blind denial.
Standard evasion.
Modern
warfare is largely determined by air superiority because it has the
higher dimensional advantage.
Actually air superiority never won a war. It takes boots on the
ground to actually finish the job. We had air superiority in Nam and
we still got our butts kicked.
You can't deny the advantage of air superiority. It doesn't have to win
the war, but it does win every battle.
Since God controls the ultimate higher
dimensional advantage, the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God.
Standard evasion.
Just pointing out the fact.
That you always end up in an evasion? We all knew that.
That is still your blind denial.
And so the evasions begin.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
You only prove your blindness.
I can provide a medical statement proving I am not blind.

Not seeing what is not there does not indicate blindness, no matter
how much you and Baby Ducks want it to.

You still will not address the issue.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-30 12:48:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by Attila
<...>
So heaven is up in the sky somewhere, possibly above the
firmament? Or in a different galaxy?
Probably in a different dimension. That makes the most sense.
When God said, "Let there be light" and released the Big
Bang, he obviously did so from a different dimension because
the dimension created by the Big Bang did not exist at creation
time.
==
Now you're saying God can't exist outside a dimension?
This is just getting better.
How many dimensions does a supreme being occupy?
Well superstring theory requires ten dimensions.
It's just that the extra ones are rolled up really really really really really
really really really tiny, which is why we don't detect them.
If that's where God is hiding, He's a really really really really really tiny God indeed.
Like Planck length tiny.
Oko
The string theory only predicts the parallel dimension. God's dimension
is the higher dimension. They are not the same thing. The higher
dimension has total control and access to the lower dimension. It's just
like the eagle(a three dimensional animal) has total control over the
snake(a two dimensional animal).
Why do you say a snake is two dimensional? Are you aware a snake can
strike upwards? Are you aware some snakes live in trees? Are you
aware some snakes can fly?
When comparing with the Eagle, it's quite two dimensional.
No, it isn't.
Blind denial.
Standard evasion.
Modern
warfare is largely determined by air superiority because it has the
higher dimensional advantage.
Actually air superiority never won a war. It takes boots on the
ground to actually finish the job. We had air superiority in Nam and
we still got our butts kicked.
You can't deny the advantage of air superiority. It doesn't have to win
the war, but it does win every battle.
Since God controls the ultimate higher
dimensional advantage, the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God.
Standard evasion.
Just pointing out the fact.
That you always end up in an evasion? We all knew that.
That is still your blind denial.
And so the evasions begin.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
You only prove your blindness.
I can provide a medical statement proving I am not blind.
Not seeing what is not there does not indicate blindness, no matter
how much you and Baby Ducks want it to.
You still will not address the issue.
You are still willfully blind to my actual point.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-30 19:28:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by Attila
<...>
So heaven is up in the sky somewhere, possibly above the
firmament? Or in a different galaxy?
Probably in a different dimension. That makes the most sense.
When God said, "Let there be light" and released the Big
Bang, he obviously did so from a different dimension because
the dimension created by the Big Bang did not exist at creation
time.
==
Now you're saying God can't exist outside a dimension?
This is just getting better.
How many dimensions does a supreme being occupy?
Well superstring theory requires ten dimensions.
It's just that the extra ones are rolled up really really really really really
really really really tiny, which is why we don't detect them.
If that's where God is hiding, He's a really really really really really tiny God indeed.
Like Planck length tiny.
Oko
The string theory only predicts the parallel dimension. God's dimension
is the higher dimension. They are not the same thing. The higher
dimension has total control and access to the lower dimension. It's just
like the eagle(a three dimensional animal) has total control over the
snake(a two dimensional animal).
Why do you say a snake is two dimensional? Are you aware a snake can
strike upwards? Are you aware some snakes live in trees? Are you
aware some snakes can fly?
When comparing with the Eagle, it's quite two dimensional.
No, it isn't.
Blind denial.
Standard evasion.
Modern
warfare is largely determined by air superiority because it has the
higher dimensional advantage.
Actually air superiority never won a war. It takes boots on the
ground to actually finish the job. We had air superiority in Nam and
we still got our butts kicked.
You can't deny the advantage of air superiority. It doesn't have to win
the war, but it does win every battle.
Since God controls the ultimate higher
dimensional advantage, the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God.
Standard evasion.
Just pointing out the fact.
That you always end up in an evasion? We all knew that.
That is still your blind denial.
And so the evasions begin.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
That's you. Stop evading now.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
You only prove your blindness.
I can provide a medical statement proving I am not blind.
Not seeing what is not there does not indicate blindness, no matter
how much you and Baby Ducks want it to.
You still will not address the issue.
You are still willfully blind to my actual point.
Your stated point is "the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty."' yet you will not post any supporting evidence to
support your statement.

How do I know it is not a lie?
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Attila
2020-05-27 18:55:56 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 23 May 2020 10:20:20 -0400, "Sir Hømer Hall,  Esq."
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven.  He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
This also proves that Hell isn't down in the center of the
Earth somewhere. Because those who go to Hell also
first rise up into Earths atmosphere and then to the
place where they will be judged which is somewhere
above the Earth's atmosphere but not in Heaven.
The Beam Seat is neither on Earth or in Earth's
atmosphere. It's in a place somewhere below Heaven
and between Heaven and Hell.
But Jesus referenced the good wheat being stored and the wheat
hulls being
burned.
Too bad there is no valid evidence any such person ever lived or ever
said anything.
The philosophy of Jesus is the evidence. If you can't prove the
philosophy wrong, you can't deny the existence of Jesus.
No one needs to prove anything wrong.  If you say something is correct
it is up to you to prove it.
The teaching of Jesus speaks for itself.
I can deny the existence of anyone and anything that does not have
independent supporting evidence.
The teaching of Jesus is the independent supporting evidence.
Stupid, isn't he?
That's spook attila for you.
Says the admitted liar.
the dukester, American-American
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-27 19:09:01 UTC
Permalink
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.

Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34 BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Oko tillo
2020-05-28 00:40:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
==
Post by aaa
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing side note, Brenda: aaa has informed us that he himself
deserves a "Nobel Price":

-- https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/A7TmlIdSXxE/NaKmQ2rKAgAJ
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus
She can't?

Looks like you've missed a few hundred of her posts.


Oko
Post by aaa
, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
aaa
2020-05-28 22:40:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Oko tillo
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
==
Post by aaa
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing side note, Brenda: aaa has informed us that he himself
That's old news. I'm not so sure I want to accept any Nobel Prize now. I
can't allow my good name appear next to the names of human beasts who
are war criminals and man eaters.
Post by Oko tillo
-- https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/A7TmlIdSXxE/NaKmQ2rKAgAJ
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus
She can't?
No one can.
Post by Oko tillo
Looks like you've missed a few hundred of her posts.
I have never seen anyone who dares to attack the philosophy of Jesus.
Post by Oko tillo
Oko
Post by aaa
, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-29 00:07:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
==
Post by aaa
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing side note, Brenda: aaa has informed us that he himself
That's old news. I'm not so sure I want to accept any Nobel Prize now. I
can't allow my good name appear next to the names of human beasts who
are war criminals and man eaters.
I wasn't aware there was a Nobel Prize in the field of Insanity.
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
-- https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/A7TmlIdSXxE/NaKmQ2rKAgAJ
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus
She can't?
No one can.
Look! Moron! I deny everything you say.
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Looks like you've missed a few hundred of her posts.
I have never seen anyone who dares to attack the philosophy of Jesus.
Yes you have. I deny it is anything other than myth and self-serving
lies.
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Oko
Post by aaa
, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-29 14:10:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
==
Post by aaa
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing side note, Brenda: aaa has informed us that he himself
That's old news. I'm not so sure I want to accept any Nobel Prize now. I
can't allow my good name appear next to the names of human beasts who
are war criminals and man eaters.
I wasn't aware there was a Nobel Prize in the field of Insanity.
Too bad, they gave themselves such Prize with their insane choices.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
-- https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/A7TmlIdSXxE/NaKmQ2rKAgAJ
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus
She can't?
No one can.
Look! Moron! I deny everything you say.
Blind denial doesn't count.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Looks like you've missed a few hundred of her posts.
I have never seen anyone who dares to attack the philosophy of Jesus.
Yes you have. I deny it is anything other than myth and self-serving
lies.
Blind denial doesn't count. It only proves your own stupidity.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Oko
Post by aaa
, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-29 18:07:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
==
Post by aaa
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing side note, Brenda: aaa has informed us that he himself
That's old news. I'm not so sure I want to accept any Nobel Prize now. I
can't allow my good name appear next to the names of human beasts who
are war criminals and man eaters.
I wasn't aware there was a Nobel Prize in the field of Insanity.
Too bad, they gave themselves such Prize with their insane choices.
Another of your meaningless jabberings.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
-- https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/A7TmlIdSXxE/NaKmQ2rKAgAJ
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus
She can't?
No one can.
Look! Moron! I deny everything you say.
Blind denial doesn't count.
Nothing blind is involved and I still deny everything you say.

I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person. As far as I am concerned anything connected with that
person is a lie.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Looks like you've missed a few hundred of her posts.
I have never seen anyone who dares to attack the philosophy of Jesus.
Yes you have. I deny it is anything other than myth and self-serving
lies.
Blind denial doesn't count. It only proves your own stupidity.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person. As far as I am concerned anything connected with that
person is a lie.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Oko
Post by aaa
, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-30 13:38:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
==
Post by aaa
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing side note, Brenda: aaa has informed us that he himself
That's old news. I'm not so sure I want to accept any Nobel Prize now. I
can't allow my good name appear next to the names of human beasts who
are war criminals and man eaters.
I wasn't aware there was a Nobel Prize in the field of Insanity.
Too bad, they gave themselves such Prize with their insane choices.
Another of your meaningless jabberings.
The meaning couldn't be more clear.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
-- https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/A7TmlIdSXxE/NaKmQ2rKAgAJ
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus
She can't?
No one can.
Look! Moron! I deny everything you say.
Blind denial doesn't count.
Nothing blind is involved and I still deny everything you say.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person. As far as I am concerned anything connected with that
person is a lie.
You have only proved my point.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Looks like you've missed a few hundred of her posts.
I have never seen anyone who dares to attack the philosophy of Jesus.
Yes you have. I deny it is anything other than myth and self-serving
lies.
Blind denial doesn't count. It only proves your own stupidity.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person. As far as I am concerned anything connected with that
person is a lie.
You have only proved my point.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Oko
Post by aaa
, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-30 20:23:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
==
Post by aaa
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing side note, Brenda: aaa has informed us that he himself
That's old news. I'm not so sure I want to accept any Nobel Prize now. I
can't allow my good name appear next to the names of human beasts who
are war criminals and man eaters.
I wasn't aware there was a Nobel Prize in the field of Insanity.
Too bad, they gave themselves such Prize with their insane choices.
Another of your meaningless jabberings.
The meaning couldn't be more clear.
I am sure it is to you. I suppose since you wrote it that means it
might be clear to one person but considering who wrote it that is not
a given.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
-- https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/A7TmlIdSXxE/NaKmQ2rKAgAJ
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus
She can't?
No one can.
Look! Moron! I deny everything you say.
Blind denial doesn't count.
Nothing blind is involved and I still deny everything you say.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person. As far as I am concerned anything connected with that
person is a lie.
You have only proved my point.
That you have a mental condition? That takes no effort on my part.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Looks like you've missed a few hundred of her posts.
I have never seen anyone who dares to attack the philosophy of Jesus.
Yes you have. I deny it is anything other than myth and self-serving
lies.
Blind denial doesn't count. It only proves your own stupidity.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person. As far as I am concerned anything connected with that
person is a lie.
You have only proved my point.
Are you claiming mental incompetence?
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Oko tillo
Oko
Post by aaa
, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
SkyEyes
2020-05-29 03:13:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Oko tillo
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
==
Post by aaa
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing side note, Brenda: aaa has informed us that he himself
-- https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/A7TmlIdSXxE/NaKmQ2rKAgAJ
So it wasn't just a typo? Good grief. That ranks right up there with Trump calling it the "Noble Prize."
Post by Oko tillo
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus
She can't?
He's just assuming I deny the teachings of Jesus. I think most of them - equality, justice, being kind, being forgiving, giving to the poor, visiting the sick, not being overly concerned with material well-being - are just dandy. What I "deny" is that Jesus, if he was a single individual instead of an amalgam of first century BCE preachers, had any divine parentage. Of course, that could be changed, if aaa could produce any *actual* *evidence* (data, facts) supporting the existence of any god. He has, so far, neglected to do that.
Post by Oko tillo
Looks like you've missed a few hundred of her posts.
I doubt he reads them through, if he does come across them. He certainly doesn't internalize anything I've written.

Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
***@cox.net
Attila
2020-05-28 01:31:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing. It was a prize, not a price, and he did not get it for any
theory. He received it before he postulated his first theory.

"In 1921, he won the Nobel Prize for physics for his explanation of
the photoelectric effect."

https://www.biography.com/scientist/albert-einstein
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34 BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-28 20:56:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing. It was a prize, not a price,
Sorry, I wasn't paying enough attention.

and he did not get it for any
Post by Attila
theory. He received it before he postulated his first theory.
You are only arguing the details to create a distraction, but I'm sure
you fully understand my actual point.
Post by Attila
"In 1921, he won the Nobel Prize for physics for his explanation of
the photoelectric effect."
https://www.biography.com/scientist/albert-einstein
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34 BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-29 00:09:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing. It was a prize, not a price,
Sorry, I wasn't paying enough attention.
I wasn't aware you had any attention.
Post by aaa
and he did not get it for any
Post by Attila
theory. He received it before he postulated his first theory.
You are only arguing the details to create a distraction, but I'm sure
you fully understand my actual point.
No, I don't since you are insane and your "points" if any are usually
buried so deeply in some kind of psychobabble as to be unintelligible.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
"In 1921, he won the Nobel Prize for physics for his explanation of
the photoelectric effect."
https://www.biography.com/scientist/albert-einstein
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
Like hell I do.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34 BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-29 19:30:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing. It was a prize, not a price,
Sorry, I wasn't paying enough attention.
I wasn't aware you had any attention.
Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
and he did not get it for any
Post by Attila
theory. He received it before he postulated his first theory.
You are only arguing the details to create a distraction, but I'm sure
you fully understand my actual point.
No, I don't since you are insane and your "points" if any are usually
buried so deeply in some kind of psychobabble as to be unintelligible.
Now that's blind denial again.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
"In 1921, he won the Nobel Prize for physics for his explanation of
the photoelectric effect."
https://www.biography.com/scientist/albert-einstein
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
Like hell I do.
Too bad you can't argue the logic.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34 BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-30 07:28:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing. It was a prize, not a price,
Sorry, I wasn't paying enough attention.
I wasn't aware you had any attention.
Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
That must be a first. I wasn't aware you were capable of making a
mistake.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
and he did not get it for any
Post by Attila
theory. He received it before he postulated his first theory.
You are only arguing the details to create a distraction, but I'm sure
you fully understand my actual point.
No, I don't since you are insane and your "points" if any are usually
buried so deeply in some kind of psychobabble as to be unintelligible.
Now that's blind denial again.
It is an accurate observation of where you almost always end up.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
"In 1921, he won the Nobel Prize for physics for his explanation of
the photoelectric effect."
https://www.biography.com/scientist/albert-einstein
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
Like hell I do.
Too bad you can't argue the logic.
Logic is irrelevant. I deal in fact.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34 BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
SkyEyes
2020-05-28 23:52:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
You could plug *any* religious figure into that line of reasoning. "The teaching of Krishna [down, Jesper] is the evidence of Krishna." See how that works?

As for Einstein, we have pictures and video tape of him - he died in my lifetime. I need no faith to appreciate his teachings.

What *you* do is assume your conclusion - that Jesus was a real, single person - and then insist that teachings attributed to him somehow "prove" he was real. (Einstein at least wrote things; Jesus never did.) What you don't seem to realize is that Palestine in the first century BCE was lousy with apocalyptic preachers. There's no reason to think that "Jesus" is anything more than a myth borne out of the accretion of several (or many) of these holy men. That's how myth works. There's no evidence of Jesus outside of the New Testament.
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
"Nobel Price?"
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus,
I see no evidence that Jesus was even a real person, nor that the teachings he is credited with came from a single source - let alone that the source was divine.
Post by aaa
you must accept Jesus as your Lord.
I don't *have* to do anything of the sort. I believe in equality and self-governance; I don't hold with having lords or kings or emperors or whatever alpha male it is you're afraid of.

Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
***@cox.net
aaa
2020-05-29 14:01:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by SkyEyes
Post by aaa
<Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by
real people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can
only come from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the
timeless evidence of Jesus.
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and
it's a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in
this newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence
of Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of
Einstein. It's perfect logic.
You could plug *any* religious figure into that line of reasoning.
"The teaching of Krishna [down, Jesper] is the evidence of Krishna."
See how that works?
Not at all. The teaching of Jesus is a living philosophy. It has been
proven true by countless Christians. If real science can be the evidence
of the scientist, real philosophy can be the evidence of the philosopher
too.
Post by SkyEyes
As for Einstein, we have pictures and video tape of him - he died in
my lifetime. I need no faith to appreciate his teachings.
What *you* do is assume your conclusion - that Jesus was a real,
single person - and then insist that teachings attributed to him
somehow "prove" he was real.
That is not true. It's just simple logic that the teaching proves the
existence of the teacher. There is no assumption necessary. If you can't
refute the teaching, you must acknowledge the existence of the teacher.

(Einstein at least wrote things; Jesus
Post by SkyEyes
never did.) What you don't seem to realize is that Palestine in the
first century BCE was lousy with apocalyptic preachers. There's no
reason to think that "Jesus" is anything more than a myth borne out
of the accretion of several (or many) of these holy men. That's how
myth works. There's no evidence of Jesus outside of the New
Testament.
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein
the Nobel Price.
"Nobel Price?"
Actually yes. Nowadays, it often shows the market price for different
souls. I'm not sure I want to sell my soul.
Post by SkyEyes
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus,
I see no evidence that Jesus was even a real person, nor that the
teachings he is credited with came from a single source - let alone
that the source was divine.
Well, if you deny the teaching of Jesus, it becomes meaningless to talk
about the existence of Jesus.
Post by SkyEyes
Post by aaa
you must accept Jesus as your Lord.
I don't *have* to do anything of the sort. I believe in equality and
self-governance; I don't hold with having lords or kings or emperors
or whatever alpha male it is you're afraid of.
It's just a simple logic that is based on the recognition of the
philosophical teaching of Jesus. Since you can't understand the
teaching, it's only natural you will not recognize the logic either.
Post by SkyEyes
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34 BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
aaa
2020-05-27 21:37:16 UTC
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Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
This also proves that Hell isn't down in the center of the
Earth somewhere. Because those who go to Hell also
first rise up into Earths atmosphere and then to the
place where they will be judged which is somewhere
above the Earth's atmosphere but not in Heaven.
The Beam Seat is neither on Earth or in Earth's
atmosphere. It's in a place somewhere below Heaven
and between Heaven and Hell.
But Jesus referenced the good wheat being stored and the wheat hulls being
burned.
Too bad there is no valid evidence any such person ever lived or ever
said anything.
The philosophy of Jesus is the evidence. If you can't prove the
philosophy wrong, you can't deny the existence of Jesus.
No one needs to prove anything wrong. If you say something is correct
it is up to you to prove it.
The teaching of Jesus speaks for itself.
I question whether such a person ever existed and whether or not his
so-called "teachings" are simply self serving myth and lies.
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come from
the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless evidence of Jesus.
Wrong. Where is specific evidence that anyone as described in your
bible ever existed?
I have just shown you the timeless evidence of Jesus written in the Bible.
I can deny the existence of anyone and anything that does not have
independent supporting evidence.
The teaching of Jesus is the independent supporting evidence.
It is evidence of nothing.
That's just your ignorance speaking.
You refuse to accept facts.
The only fact you have is called ignorance. Yes, I refuse to accept your
ignorance.
the dukester, American-American
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-28 01:27:07 UTC
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Post by aaa
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
This also proves that Hell isn't down in the center of the
Earth somewhere. Because those who go to Hell also
first rise up into Earths atmosphere and then to the
place where they will be judged which is somewhere
above the Earth's atmosphere but not in Heaven.
The Beam Seat is neither on Earth or in Earth's
atmosphere. It's in a place somewhere below Heaven
and between Heaven and Hell.
But Jesus referenced the good wheat being stored and the wheat hulls being
burned.
Too bad there is no valid evidence any such person ever lived or ever
said anything.
The philosophy of Jesus is the evidence. If you can't prove the
philosophy wrong, you can't deny the existence of Jesus.
No one needs to prove anything wrong. If you say something is correct
it is up to you to prove it.
The teaching of Jesus speaks for itself.
I question whether such a person ever existed and whether or not his
so-called "teachings" are simply self serving myth and lies.
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come from
the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless evidence of Jesus.
Wrong. Where is specific evidence that anyone as described in your
bible ever existed?
I have just shown you the timeless evidence of Jesus written in the Bible.
Nothing in that source can be used since it is unverified. How do I
know it is not all lies?
Post by aaa
I can deny the existence of anyone and anything that does not have
independent supporting evidence.
The teaching of Jesus is the independent supporting evidence.
It is evidence of nothing.
That's just your ignorance speaking.
You refuse to accept facts.
The only fact you have is called ignorance. Yes, I refuse to accept your
ignorance.
I have stated facts. The ignorance ( if it exists) of someone else is
not yours to either accept or reject.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-28 20:30:19 UTC
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Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
This also proves that Hell isn't down in the center of the
Earth somewhere. Because those who go to Hell also
first rise up into Earths atmosphere and then to the
place where they will be judged which is somewhere
above the Earth's atmosphere but not in Heaven.
The Beam Seat is neither on Earth or in Earth's
atmosphere. It's in a place somewhere below Heaven
and between Heaven and Hell.
But Jesus referenced the good wheat being stored and the wheat hulls being
burned.
Too bad there is no valid evidence any such person ever lived or ever
said anything.
The philosophy of Jesus is the evidence. If you can't prove the
philosophy wrong, you can't deny the existence of Jesus.
No one needs to prove anything wrong. If you say something is correct
it is up to you to prove it.
The teaching of Jesus speaks for itself.
I question whether such a person ever existed and whether or not his
so-called "teachings" are simply self serving myth and lies.
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come from
the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless evidence of Jesus.
Wrong. Where is specific evidence that anyone as described in your
bible ever existed?
I have just shown you the timeless evidence of Jesus written in the Bible.
Nothing in that source can be used since it is unverified. How do I
know it is not all lies?
You can verify the teaching of Jesus all by yourself.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
I can deny the existence of anyone and anything that does not have
independent supporting evidence.
The teaching of Jesus is the independent supporting evidence.
It is evidence of nothing.
That's just your ignorance speaking.
You refuse to accept facts.
The only fact you have is called ignorance. Yes, I refuse to accept your
ignorance.
I have stated facts. The ignorance ( if it exists) of someone else is
not yours to either accept or reject.
That is not for you to decide. You need to face your own ignorance for
your own benefit.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-29 00:04:06 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
This also proves that Hell isn't down in the center of the
Earth somewhere. Because those who go to Hell also
first rise up into Earths atmosphere and then to the
place where they will be judged which is somewhere
above the Earth's atmosphere but not in Heaven.
The Beam Seat is neither on Earth or in Earth's
atmosphere. It's in a place somewhere below Heaven
and between Heaven and Hell.
But Jesus referenced the good wheat being stored and the wheat hulls being
burned.
Too bad there is no valid evidence any such person ever lived or ever
said anything.
The philosophy of Jesus is the evidence. If you can't prove the
philosophy wrong, you can't deny the existence of Jesus.
No one needs to prove anything wrong. If you say something is correct
it is up to you to prove it.
The teaching of Jesus speaks for itself.
I question whether such a person ever existed and whether or not his
so-called "teachings" are simply self serving myth and lies.
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come from
the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless evidence of Jesus.
Wrong. Where is specific evidence that anyone as described in your
bible ever existed?
I have just shown you the timeless evidence of Jesus written in the Bible.
Nothing in that source can be used since it is unverified. How do I
know it is not all lies?
You can verify the teaching of Jesus all by yourself.
Why should I? I don't intend to waste my time on some idiotic insane
babbling which has no supporting evidence.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
I can deny the existence of anyone and anything that does not have
independent supporting evidence.
The teaching of Jesus is the independent supporting evidence.
It is evidence of nothing.
That's just your ignorance speaking.
You refuse to accept facts.
The only fact you have is called ignorance. Yes, I refuse to accept your
ignorance.
I have stated facts. The ignorance ( if it exists) of someone else is
not yours to either accept or reject.
That is not for you to decide. You need to face your own ignorance for
your own benefit.
I see you have no clue as to what ignorance is. Or what much of
anything else is either.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-29 14:14:03 UTC
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Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
This also proves that Hell isn't down in the center of the
Earth somewhere. Because those who go to Hell also
first rise up into Earths atmosphere and then to the
place where they will be judged which is somewhere
above the Earth's atmosphere but not in Heaven.
The Beam Seat is neither on Earth or in Earth's
atmosphere. It's in a place somewhere below Heaven
and between Heaven and Hell.
But Jesus referenced the good wheat being stored and the wheat hulls being
burned.
Too bad there is no valid evidence any such person ever lived or ever
said anything.
The philosophy of Jesus is the evidence. If you can't prove the
philosophy wrong, you can't deny the existence of Jesus.
No one needs to prove anything wrong. If you say something is correct
it is up to you to prove it.
The teaching of Jesus speaks for itself.
I question whether such a person ever existed and whether or not his
so-called "teachings" are simply self serving myth and lies.
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come from
the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless evidence of Jesus.
Wrong. Where is specific evidence that anyone as described in your
bible ever existed?
I have just shown you the timeless evidence of Jesus written in the Bible.
Nothing in that source can be used since it is unverified. How do I
know it is not all lies?
You can verify the teaching of Jesus all by yourself.
Why should I? I don't intend to waste my time on some idiotic insane
babbling which has no supporting evidence.
That's too bad. Without verification, you have no justification for your
blind rejection.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
I can deny the existence of anyone and anything that does not have
independent supporting evidence.
The teaching of Jesus is the independent supporting evidence.
It is evidence of nothing.
That's just your ignorance speaking.
You refuse to accept facts.
The only fact you have is called ignorance. Yes, I refuse to accept your
ignorance.
I have stated facts. The ignorance ( if it exists) of someone else is
not yours to either accept or reject.
That is not for you to decide. You need to face your own ignorance for
your own benefit.
I see you have no clue as to what ignorance is. Or what much of
anything else is either.
That's actually you. Stop talking to the mirror.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-29 18:04:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
This also proves that Hell isn't down in the center of the
Earth somewhere. Because those who go to Hell also
first rise up into Earths atmosphere and then to the
place where they will be judged which is somewhere
above the Earth's atmosphere but not in Heaven.
The Beam Seat is neither on Earth or in Earth's
atmosphere. It's in a place somewhere below Heaven
and between Heaven and Hell.
But Jesus referenced the good wheat being stored and the wheat hulls being
burned.
Too bad there is no valid evidence any such person ever lived or ever
said anything.
The philosophy of Jesus is the evidence. If you can't prove the
philosophy wrong, you can't deny the existence of Jesus.
No one needs to prove anything wrong. If you say something is correct
it is up to you to prove it.
The teaching of Jesus speaks for itself.
I question whether such a person ever existed and whether or not his
so-called "teachings" are simply self serving myth and lies.
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come from
the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless evidence of Jesus.
Wrong. Where is specific evidence that anyone as described in your
bible ever existed?
I have just shown you the timeless evidence of Jesus written in the Bible.
Nothing in that source can be used since it is unverified. How do I
know it is not all lies?
You can verify the teaching of Jesus all by yourself.
Why should I? I don't intend to waste my time on some idiotic insane
babbling which has no supporting evidence.
That's too bad. Without verification, you have no justification for your
blind rejection.
Rejection of an unsupported claim requires no verification or
justification.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
I can deny the existence of anyone and anything that does not have
independent supporting evidence.
The teaching of Jesus is the independent supporting evidence.
It is evidence of nothing.
That's just your ignorance speaking.
You refuse to accept facts.
The only fact you have is called ignorance. Yes, I refuse to accept your
ignorance.
I have stated facts. The ignorance ( if it exists) of someone else is
not yours to either accept or reject.
That is not for you to decide. You need to face your own ignorance for
your own benefit.
I see you have no clue as to what ignorance is. Or what much of
anything else is either.
That's actually you. Stop talking to the mirror.
You seem to think ignorance automatically indicates a condition that
must be immediately corrected.

It does not.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-30 13:41:35 UTC
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Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
This also proves that Hell isn't down in the center of the
Earth somewhere. Because those who go to Hell also
first rise up into Earths atmosphere and then to the
place where they will be judged which is somewhere
above the Earth's atmosphere but not in Heaven.
The Beam Seat is neither on Earth or in Earth's
atmosphere. It's in a place somewhere below Heaven
and between Heaven and Hell.
But Jesus referenced the good wheat being stored and the wheat hulls being
burned.
Too bad there is no valid evidence any such person ever lived or ever
said anything.
The philosophy of Jesus is the evidence. If you can't prove the
philosophy wrong, you can't deny the existence of Jesus.
No one needs to prove anything wrong. If you say something is correct
it is up to you to prove it.
The teaching of Jesus speaks for itself.
I question whether such a person ever existed and whether or not his
so-called "teachings" are simply self serving myth and lies.
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come from
the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless evidence of Jesus.
Wrong. Where is specific evidence that anyone as described in your
bible ever existed?
I have just shown you the timeless evidence of Jesus written in the Bible.
Nothing in that source can be used since it is unverified. How do I
know it is not all lies?
You can verify the teaching of Jesus all by yourself.
Why should I? I don't intend to waste my time on some idiotic insane
babbling which has no supporting evidence.
That's too bad. Without verification, you have no justification for your
blind rejection.
Rejection of an unsupported claim requires no verification or
justification.
Blind denial doesn't count.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
I can deny the existence of anyone and anything that does not have
independent supporting evidence.
The teaching of Jesus is the independent supporting evidence.
It is evidence of nothing.
That's just your ignorance speaking.
You refuse to accept facts.
The only fact you have is called ignorance. Yes, I refuse to accept your
ignorance.
I have stated facts. The ignorance ( if it exists) of someone else is
not yours to either accept or reject.
That is not for you to decide. You need to face your own ignorance for
your own benefit.
I see you have no clue as to what ignorance is. Or what much of
anything else is either.
That's actually you. Stop talking to the mirror.
You seem to think ignorance automatically indicates a condition that
must be immediately corrected.
It does not.
Yes, it does.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-30 20:20:41 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
This also proves that Hell isn't down in the center of the
Earth somewhere. Because those who go to Hell also
first rise up into Earths atmosphere and then to the
place where they will be judged which is somewhere
above the Earth's atmosphere but not in Heaven.
The Beam Seat is neither on Earth or in Earth's
atmosphere. It's in a place somewhere below Heaven
and between Heaven and Hell.
But Jesus referenced the good wheat being stored and the wheat hulls being
burned.
Too bad there is no valid evidence any such person ever lived or ever
said anything.
The philosophy of Jesus is the evidence. If you can't prove the
philosophy wrong, you can't deny the existence of Jesus.
No one needs to prove anything wrong. If you say something is correct
it is up to you to prove it.
The teaching of Jesus speaks for itself.
I question whether such a person ever existed and whether or not his
so-called "teachings" are simply self serving myth and lies.
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come from
the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless evidence of Jesus.
Wrong. Where is specific evidence that anyone as described in your
bible ever existed?
I have just shown you the timeless evidence of Jesus written in the Bible.
Nothing in that source can be used since it is unverified. How do I
know it is not all lies?
You can verify the teaching of Jesus all by yourself.
Why should I? I don't intend to waste my time on some idiotic insane
babbling which has no supporting evidence.
That's too bad. Without verification, you have no justification for your
blind rejection.
Rejection of an unsupported claim requires no verification or
justification.
Blind denial doesn't count.
Who so counting what? You are unable to follow a coherent
conversation beyond a few words.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
I can deny the existence of anyone and anything that does not have
independent supporting evidence.
The teaching of Jesus is the independent supporting evidence.
It is evidence of nothing.
That's just your ignorance speaking.
You refuse to accept facts.
The only fact you have is called ignorance. Yes, I refuse to accept your
ignorance.
I have stated facts. The ignorance ( if it exists) of someone else is
not yours to either accept or reject.
That is not for you to decide. You need to face your own ignorance for
your own benefit.
I see you have no clue as to what ignorance is. Or what much of
anything else is either.
That's actually you. Stop talking to the mirror.
You seem to think ignorance automatically indicates a condition that
must be immediately corrected.
It does not.
Yes, it does.
Amusing, considering how ignorant you are and how you refuse to admit
it.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Peter Pan
2020-05-28 00:31:56 UTC
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1) Christians believe and we need no further proof
other than the Bible which is a history book and
the most read book in the world,
2) We know that free choice is proof of God. The
very laws of physics prove there IS no free
choice in the structure of the universe so
creatures having free choice is actually against
the laws of physics and necessarily has to be
the purview of God,
3) We believe that if one chooses to be an atheist
there is a price to pay. God tells us to at least try
to lead you to the light but God also tells us that
in many cases we will not succeed so give up
and try to enlighten someone else who might be
more amenable and saveable/salvageable
It's just wonderful and ducky that you believe all that.
Why do you expect anyone to believe you? Is it just your
honest face?
<snip delusional crowing>
Mine is a logic-based approach.
LOL. Everything you said above is about belief.
Your belief.
Your faith-based belief.

It's all religion, not logic.

Gerggle, you think like a girl. Your emotions pwn you.

Stop doing that eye-fluttering thing. I'm not buying it.
aaa
2020-05-28 00:32:26 UTC
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Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 May 2020 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7, "Sir Hømer Hall,
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the EU
invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell, you get to
choose. Try to choose wisely.
Do you have anything other than threats to contribute?
In feeble minds Pascal's Wager never stales.
I was waiting for someone to come up with Pascal's Wager. Apparently
he doesn't know that it's been refuted to death. He just better hope
that he's chosen the right sky fairy to follow, or the
unchosen-but-actual one is liable to be really pissed at him.
Pascal's wager doesn't apply since those in the book of life are chosen
by God instead.
According to you but without supporting evidence.
What I said is a simple fact. It is the evidence.
Not as far as I am concerned.
Blind denial. You are required to verify the fact at the very least.
I am not required to do anything. You are the one trying to convince
me. Remember?
It's a two way street. If I provide the fact, you have to verify the
fact. That is your responsibility to ensure a meaningful debate.
You are wrong. It is always the responsibility of the person
providing the fact to also provide the supporting evidence.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
There is no logic in what you said. It's not even circular.
Post by Attila
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate.
Too bad, I'm not interested in your fact, and I have no argument against
your fact. Since you ask for the evidence, you are required to verify
the evidence.
Now provide evidence this is true.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
Your simply saying something is a fact does not make it so.
Too bad you can't prove me wrong, so it will remain as fact.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-28 01:04:55 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 May 2020 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7, "Sir Hømer Hall,
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the EU
invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell, you get to
choose. Try to choose wisely.
Do you have anything other than threats to contribute?
In feeble minds Pascal's Wager never stales.
I was waiting for someone to come up with Pascal's Wager. Apparently
he doesn't know that it's been refuted to death. He just better hope
that he's chosen the right sky fairy to follow, or the
unchosen-but-actual one is liable to be really pissed at him.
Pascal's wager doesn't apply since those in the book of life are chosen
by God instead.
According to you but without supporting evidence.
What I said is a simple fact. It is the evidence.
Not as far as I am concerned.
Blind denial. You are required to verify the fact at the very least.
I am not required to do anything. You are the one trying to convince
me. Remember?
It's a two way street. If I provide the fact, you have to verify the
fact. That is your responsibility to ensure a meaningful debate.
You are wrong. It is always the responsibility of the person
providing the fact to also provide the supporting evidence.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
There is no logic in what you said. It's not even circular.
It is the way facts work. Anyone can say anything is a fact but
actual facts have supporting evidence.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate.
Too bad, I'm not interested in your fact, and I have no argument against
your fact. Since you ask for the evidence, you are required to verify
the evidence.
Now provide evidence this is true.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
Your simply saying something is a fact does not make it so.
Too bad you can't prove me wrong, so it will remain as fact.
I don't need to prove you wrong. I have stated what I say is a fact.
According to you it is now your burden to verify the fact.

I am waiting.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-28 17:51:49 UTC
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Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 May 2020 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7, "Sir Hømer Hall,
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the EU
invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell, you get to
choose. Try to choose wisely.
Do you have anything other than threats to contribute?
In feeble minds Pascal's Wager never stales.
I was waiting for someone to come up with Pascal's Wager. Apparently
he doesn't know that it's been refuted to death. He just better hope
that he's chosen the right sky fairy to follow, or the
unchosen-but-actual one is liable to be really pissed at him.
Pascal's wager doesn't apply since those in the book of life are chosen
by God instead.
According to you but without supporting evidence.
What I said is a simple fact. It is the evidence.
Not as far as I am concerned.
Blind denial. You are required to verify the fact at the very least.
I am not required to do anything. You are the one trying to convince
me. Remember?
It's a two way street. If I provide the fact, you have to verify the
fact. That is your responsibility to ensure a meaningful debate.
You are wrong. It is always the responsibility of the person
providing the fact to also provide the supporting evidence.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
There is no logic in what you said. It's not even circular.
It is the way facts work. Anyone can say anything is a fact but
actual facts have supporting evidence.
False. A fact is already the proven evidence. It doesn't need to be
proven again.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate.
Too bad, I'm not interested in your fact, and I have no argument against
your fact. Since you ask for the evidence, you are required to verify
the evidence.
Now provide evidence this is true.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
Your simply saying something is a fact does not make it so.
Too bad you can't prove me wrong, so it will remain as fact.
I don't need to prove you wrong. I have stated what I say is a fact.
According to you it is now your burden to verify the fact.
Too bad, you have no fact except your blind denial. There is nothing
else for me say.
Post by Attila
I am waiting.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-28 23:48:19 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 May 2020 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7, "Sir Hømer Hall,
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the EU
invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell, you get to
choose. Try to choose wisely.
Do you have anything other than threats to contribute?
In feeble minds Pascal's Wager never stales.
I was waiting for someone to come up with Pascal's Wager. Apparently
he doesn't know that it's been refuted to death. He just better hope
that he's chosen the right sky fairy to follow, or the
unchosen-but-actual one is liable to be really pissed at him.
Pascal's wager doesn't apply since those in the book of life are chosen
by God instead.
According to you but without supporting evidence.
What I said is a simple fact. It is the evidence.
Not as far as I am concerned.
Blind denial. You are required to verify the fact at the very least.
I am not required to do anything. You are the one trying to convince
me. Remember?
It's a two way street. If I provide the fact, you have to verify the
fact. That is your responsibility to ensure a meaningful debate.
You are wrong. It is always the responsibility of the person
providing the fact to also provide the supporting evidence.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
There is no logic in what you said. It's not even circular.
It is the way facts work. Anyone can say anything is a fact but
actual facts have supporting evidence.
False. A fact is already the proven evidence. It doesn't need to be
proven again.
If it is actually accepted as a fact. You state something and say it
is a fact. That is not establishing it as a fact. An established
fact has supporting evidence that can be produced on demand.

You expect the statement that someone is chosen by some god to be
accepted as fact. I do not accept it. I reject it as an opinion and
nothing more.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate.
Too bad, I'm not interested in your fact, and I have no argument against
your fact. Since you ask for the evidence, you are required to verify
the evidence.
Now provide evidence this is true.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
Your simply saying something is a fact does not make it so.
Too bad you can't prove me wrong, so it will remain as fact.
I don't need to prove you wrong. I have stated what I say is a fact.
According to you it is now your burden to verify the fact.
Too bad, you have no fact except your blind denial. There is nothing
else for me say.
You set the requirement and now you are refusing to either live up to
it or admit you were wrong. Since I have asked you several times if
you are ever wrong and you have yet to answer it is obvious no one
should pay any attention at all to anything you say.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
I am waiting.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-29 15:06:40 UTC
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Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 May 2020 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7, "Sir Hømer Hall,
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the EU
invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell, you get to
choose. Try to choose wisely.
Do you have anything other than threats to contribute?
In feeble minds Pascal's Wager never stales.
I was waiting for someone to come up with Pascal's Wager. Apparently
he doesn't know that it's been refuted to death. He just better hope
that he's chosen the right sky fairy to follow, or the
unchosen-but-actual one is liable to be really pissed at him.
Pascal's wager doesn't apply since those in the book of life are chosen
by God instead.
According to you but without supporting evidence.
What I said is a simple fact. It is the evidence.
Not as far as I am concerned.
Blind denial. You are required to verify the fact at the very least.
I am not required to do anything. You are the one trying to convince
me. Remember?
It's a two way street. If I provide the fact, you have to verify the
fact. That is your responsibility to ensure a meaningful debate.
You are wrong. It is always the responsibility of the person
providing the fact to also provide the supporting evidence.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
There is no logic in what you said. It's not even circular.
It is the way facts work. Anyone can say anything is a fact but
actual facts have supporting evidence.
False. A fact is already the proven evidence. It doesn't need to be
proven again.
If it is actually accepted as a fact.
It can't be anything else when you are calling it a fact yourself from
the start.

You state something and say it
Post by Attila
is a fact. That is not establishing it as a fact. An established
fact has supporting evidence that can be produced on demand.
You expect the statement that someone is chosen by some god to be
accepted as fact. I do not accept it. I reject it as an opinion and
nothing more.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate.
Too bad, I'm not interested in your fact, and I have no argument against
your fact. Since you ask for the evidence, you are required to verify
the evidence.
Now provide evidence this is true.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
Your simply saying something is a fact does not make it so.
Too bad you can't prove me wrong, so it will remain as fact.
I don't need to prove you wrong. I have stated what I say is a fact.
According to you it is now your burden to verify the fact.
Too bad, you have no fact except your blind denial. There is nothing
else for me say.
You set the requirement and now you are refusing to either live up to
it or admit you were wrong.
I have just shown you why you have no fact.

Since I have asked you several times if
Post by Attila
you are ever wrong and you have yet to answer it is obvious no one
should pay any attention at all to anything you say.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
I am waiting.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-29 18:09:28 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 May 2020 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7, "Sir Hømer Hall,
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the EU
invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell, you get to
choose. Try to choose wisely.
Do you have anything other than threats to contribute?
In feeble minds Pascal's Wager never stales.
I was waiting for someone to come up with Pascal's Wager. Apparently
he doesn't know that it's been refuted to death. He just better hope
that he's chosen the right sky fairy to follow, or the
unchosen-but-actual one is liable to be really pissed at him.
Pascal's wager doesn't apply since those in the book of life are chosen
by God instead.
According to you but without supporting evidence.
What I said is a simple fact. It is the evidence.
Not as far as I am concerned.
Blind denial. You are required to verify the fact at the very least.
I am not required to do anything. You are the one trying to convince
me. Remember?
It's a two way street. If I provide the fact, you have to verify the
fact. That is your responsibility to ensure a meaningful debate.
You are wrong. It is always the responsibility of the person
providing the fact to also provide the supporting evidence.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
There is no logic in what you said. It's not even circular.
It is the way facts work. Anyone can say anything is a fact but
actual facts have supporting evidence.
False. A fact is already the proven evidence. It doesn't need to be
proven again.
If it is actually accepted as a fact.
It can't be anything else when you are calling it a fact yourself from
the start.
Oh? Just what "fact" would that be?
Post by aaa
You state something and say it
Post by Attila
is a fact. That is not establishing it as a fact. An established
fact has supporting evidence that can be produced on demand.
You expect the statement that someone is chosen by some god to be
accepted as fact. I do not accept it. I reject it as an opinion and
nothing more.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate.
Too bad, I'm not interested in your fact, and I have no argument against
your fact. Since you ask for the evidence, you are required to verify
the evidence.
Now provide evidence this is true.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
Your simply saying something is a fact does not make it so.
Too bad you can't prove me wrong, so it will remain as fact.
I don't need to prove you wrong. I have stated what I say is a fact.
According to you it is now your burden to verify the fact.
Too bad, you have no fact except your blind denial. There is nothing
else for me say.
You set the requirement and now you are refusing to either live up to
it or admit you were wrong.
I have just shown you why you have no fact.
Just what fact is it you say I do not have?
Post by aaa
Since I have asked you several times if
Post by Attila
you are ever wrong and you have yet to answer it is obvious no one
should pay any attention at all to anything you say.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
I am waiting.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-30 13:29:48 UTC
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Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 May 2020 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7, "Sir Hømer Hall,
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the EU
invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell, you get to
choose. Try to choose wisely.
Do you have anything other than threats to contribute?
In feeble minds Pascal's Wager never stales.
I was waiting for someone to come up with Pascal's Wager. Apparently
he doesn't know that it's been refuted to death. He just better hope
that he's chosen the right sky fairy to follow, or the
unchosen-but-actual one is liable to be really pissed at him.
Pascal's wager doesn't apply since those in the book of life are chosen
by God instead.
According to you but without supporting evidence.
What I said is a simple fact. It is the evidence.
Not as far as I am concerned.
Blind denial. You are required to verify the fact at the very least.
I am not required to do anything. You are the one trying to convince
me. Remember?
It's a two way street. If I provide the fact, you have to verify the
fact. That is your responsibility to ensure a meaningful debate.
You are wrong. It is always the responsibility of the person
providing the fact to also provide the supporting evidence.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
There is no logic in what you said. It's not even circular.
It is the way facts work. Anyone can say anything is a fact but
actual facts have supporting evidence.
False. A fact is already the proven evidence. It doesn't need to be
proven again.
If it is actually accepted as a fact.
It can't be anything else when you are calling it a fact yourself from
the start.
Oh? Just what "fact" would that be?
You tell me since you are calling it a fact too.
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
You state something and say it
Post by Attila
is a fact. That is not establishing it as a fact. An established
fact has supporting evidence that can be produced on demand.
You expect the statement that someone is chosen by some god to be
accepted as fact. I do not accept it. I reject it as an opinion and
nothing more.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate.
Too bad, I'm not interested in your fact, and I have no argument against
your fact. Since you ask for the evidence, you are required to verify
the evidence.
Now provide evidence this is true.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
Your simply saying something is a fact does not make it so.
Too bad you can't prove me wrong, so it will remain as fact.
I don't need to prove you wrong. I have stated what I say is a fact.
According to you it is now your burden to verify the fact.
Too bad, you have no fact except your blind denial. There is nothing
else for me say.
You set the requirement and now you are refusing to either live up to
it or admit you were wrong.
I have just shown you why you have no fact.
Just what fact is it you say I do not have?
The only fact you have is your blind denial. You have nothing else.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-30 19:35:20 UTC
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Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 May 2020 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7, "Sir Hømer Hall,
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the EU
invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell, you get to
choose. Try to choose wisely.
Do you have anything other than threats to contribute?
In feeble minds Pascal's Wager never stales.
I was waiting for someone to come up with Pascal's Wager. Apparently
he doesn't know that it's been refuted to death. He just better hope
that he's chosen the right sky fairy to follow, or the
unchosen-but-actual one is liable to be really pissed at him.
Pascal's wager doesn't apply since those in the book of life are chosen
by God instead.
According to you but without supporting evidence.
What I said is a simple fact. It is the evidence.
Not as far as I am concerned.
Blind denial. You are required to verify the fact at the very least.
I am not required to do anything. You are the one trying to convince
me. Remember?
It's a two way street. If I provide the fact, you have to verify the
fact. That is your responsibility to ensure a meaningful debate.
You are wrong. It is always the responsibility of the person
providing the fact to also provide the supporting evidence.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
There is no logic in what you said. It's not even circular.
It is the way facts work. Anyone can say anything is a fact but
actual facts have supporting evidence.
False. A fact is already the proven evidence. It doesn't need to be
proven again.
If it is actually accepted as a fact.
It can't be anything else when you are calling it a fact yourself from
the start.
Oh? Just what "fact" would that be?
You tell me since you are calling it a fact too.
Once again I ask just what is it that you say I am calling a fact?
Can't you answer a simple question?

Or once again do you not know what you are talking about?
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
You state something and say it
Post by Attila
is a fact. That is not establishing it as a fact. An established
fact has supporting evidence that can be produced on demand.
You expect the statement that someone is chosen by some god to be
accepted as fact. I do not accept it. I reject it as an opinion and
nothing more.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate.
Too bad, I'm not interested in your fact, and I have no argument against
your fact. Since you ask for the evidence, you are required to verify
the evidence.
Now provide evidence this is true.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
Your simply saying something is a fact does not make it so.
Too bad you can't prove me wrong, so it will remain as fact.
I don't need to prove you wrong. I have stated what I say is a fact.
According to you it is now your burden to verify the fact.
Too bad, you have no fact except your blind denial. There is nothing
else for me say.
You set the requirement and now you are refusing to either live up to
it or admit you were wrong.
I have just shown you why you have no fact.
Just what fact is it you say I do not have?
The only fact you have is your blind denial. You have nothing else.
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate."

Your response was pathetic. I am only working by the rules you
established. One person provides the fact and the other person must
provide the evidence.

That is what you constantly indicate when you are not saying the fact
itself is the evidence, which makes no sense.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Cloud Hobbit
2020-05-28 01:05:38 UTC
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I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical,
objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god
exists. Can you do that?
DNA
DNA, far from being of divine origin, is just a long string of nucleotides composed of hydrogen,
oxygen, phosphorus, carbon and nitrogen (listed in no particular order). It's just chemistry.
No. It takes DNA to make DNA.
Provide a link to a research paper or precise claiming that. In fact, you need to provide links to *all* your claims. You have nothing to underpin your claims; all you do is repeat them endlessly with no supporting evidence. Why is that?
You don't find it in the natural chemical world.
But we find RNA in the wild, and, as I have been at pains to explain to you (with supporting cites), that (1) that RNA is plentiful and occurs naturally; (2) that it is unstable; (3) that it shares nucleotides and other chemical components with DNA; (4) that, given all this, it's a short step for RNA to evolve into DNA; and (5) that DNA changes frequently, especially during meiosis (cell division within reproductive cells). Were you even paying attention?
Furthermore, it is an~information~carrying molecule. The molecule without the
information has no use, purpose or function.
It's fucking chemistry, you idiot, it follows the laws of physics, it *has* no "purpose." And by the way, you've made another logical error: the Argument from Consequences.
The prime origin of this information could only have come from an intelligent
source.
And your evidence for this assertion is...what, exactly? All you do is repeat it, and you never provide any evidence to shore up your assertion. Cite, please.
Not from any chemical soup.
The "chemical soup" idea was discarded decades ago. Try to keep up. Proto-cells, including cell membranes, HAVE BEEN OBSERVED TO FORM IN MIXTURES OF CLAY AND SEAWATER. ("Hydrogels.") Do try reading for comprehension, for a change.
To form DNA, these nucleotides link up with sugars, phosphates, and
nitrogen bases (adenine [A], thymine [T], guanine [G] and cytosine [C]).
But it only happens in a living cell!
No, actually, it's been observed in the lab.
DNA is likely to have developed from RNA,
This is pure fantasy, And you obviously believe it. Why?
Because that's where the evidence points, dumbass. I provided you links to the current research, yet you don't provide any to shore up your argument. Why is that?
Jesus, but you're dim.
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
Here's an idea I had not heard about.

https://phys.org/news/2015-03-chemists-riddle-life-began-earth.html
(Phys.org)—A team of chemists working at the MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, at Cambridge in the UK believes they have solved the mystery of how it was possible for life to begin on Earth over four billion years ago. In their paper published in the journal Nature Chemistry, the team describes how they were able to map reactions that produced two and three-carbon sugars, amino acids, ribonucleotides and glycerol—the material necessary for metabolism and for creating the building blocks of proteins and ribonucleic acid molecules and also for allowing for the creation of lipids that form cell membranes.

Scientists have debated for years the various possibilities that could have led to life evolving on Earth, and the arguments have only grown more heated in recent years as many have suggested that it did not happen here it all, instead, it was brought to us from comets or some other celestial body. Most of the recent debate has found scientists in one of three chicken-or-the-egg first camps: RNA world advocates, metabolism-first supporters and those who believe that cell membranes must have developed first.

The chemists with this new effort believe they have found a way to show that all three arguments are both right and wrong—they believe they have found a way to show that everything necessary for life to evolve could have done so from just hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen cyanide and ultraviolet light and that those building blocks could have all existed at the same time—in their paper, they report that using just those three basic ingredients they were able to produce more than 50 nucleic acids—precursors to DNA and RNA molecules. They note that early meteorites carried with them ingredients that would react with nitrogen already in the atmosphere, producing a lot of hydrogen cyanide. By dissolving in water, it could have very easily come into contact with hydrogen sulfide, while being exposed to ultraviolet light from the sun. And that, they claim, would have been all that was needed to get things going.

The findings by the team are sure to garner a great deal of interest in the scientific community and others will no doubt be testing and commenting on their findings. If what they claim passes muster, their work will likely be remembered as one of the great achievements of our time.
SkyEyes
2020-05-29 03:18:53 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical,
objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god
exists. Can you do that?
DNA
DNA, far from being of divine origin, is just a long string of nucleotides composed of hydrogen,
oxygen, phosphorus, carbon and nitrogen (listed in no particular order). It's just chemistry.
No. It takes DNA to make DNA.
Provide a link to a research paper or precise claiming that. In fact, you need to provide links to *all* your claims. You have nothing to underpin your claims; all you do is repeat them endlessly with no supporting evidence. Why is that?
You don't find it in the natural chemical world.
But we find RNA in the wild, and, as I have been at pains to explain to you (with supporting cites), that (1) that RNA is plentiful and occurs naturally; (2) that it is unstable; (3) that it shares nucleotides and other chemical components with DNA; (4) that, given all this, it's a short step for RNA to evolve into DNA; and (5) that DNA changes frequently, especially during meiosis (cell division within reproductive cells). Were you even paying attention?
Furthermore, it is an~information~carrying molecule. The molecule without the
information has no use, purpose or function.
It's fucking chemistry, you idiot, it follows the laws of physics, it *has* no "purpose." And by the way, you've made another logical error: the Argument from Consequences.
The prime origin of this information could only have come from an intelligent
source.
And your evidence for this assertion is...what, exactly? All you do is repeat it, and you never provide any evidence to shore up your assertion. Cite, please.
Not from any chemical soup.
The "chemical soup" idea was discarded decades ago. Try to keep up. Proto-cells, including cell membranes, HAVE BEEN OBSERVED TO FORM IN MIXTURES OF CLAY AND SEAWATER. ("Hydrogels.") Do try reading for comprehension, for a change.
To form DNA, these nucleotides link up with sugars, phosphates, and
nitrogen bases (adenine [A], thymine [T], guanine [G] and cytosine [C]).
But it only happens in a living cell!
No, actually, it's been observed in the lab.
DNA is likely to have developed from RNA,
This is pure fantasy, And you obviously believe it. Why?
Because that's where the evidence points, dumbass. I provided you links to the current research, yet you don't provide any to shore up your argument. Why is that?
Jesus, but you're dim.
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
Here's an idea I had not heard about.
https://phys.org/news/2015-03-chemists-riddle-life-began-earth.html
(Phys.org)—A team of chemists working at the MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, at Cambridge in the UK believes they have solved the mystery of how it was possible for life to begin on Earth over four billion years ago. In their paper published in the journal Nature Chemistry, the team describes how they were able to map reactions that produced two and three-carbon sugars, amino acids, ribonucleotides and glycerol—the material necessary for metabolism and for creating the building blocks of proteins and ribonucleic acid molecules and also for allowing for the creation of lipids that form cell membranes.
Scientists have debated for years the various possibilities that could have led to life evolving on Earth, and the arguments have only grown more heated in recent years as many have suggested that it did not happen here it all, instead, it was brought to us from comets or some other celestial body. Most of the recent debate has found scientists in one of three chicken-or-the-egg first camps: RNA world advocates, metabolism-first supporters and those who believe that cell membranes must have developed first.
The chemists with this new effort believe they have found a way to show that all three arguments are both right and wrong—they believe they have found a way to show that everything necessary for life to evolve could have done so from just hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen cyanide and ultraviolet light and that those building blocks could have all existed at the same time—in their paper, they report that using just those three basic ingredients they were able to produce more than 50 nucleic acids—precursors to DNA and RNA molecules. They note that early meteorites carried with them ingredients that would react with nitrogen already in the atmosphere, producing a lot of hydrogen cyanide. By dissolving in water, it could have very easily come into contact with hydrogen sulfide, while being exposed to ultraviolet light from the sun. And that, they claim, would have been all that was needed to get things going.
The findings by the team are sure to garner a great deal of interest in the scientific community and others will no doubt be testing and commenting on their findings. If what they claim passes muster, their work will likely be remembered as one of the great achievements of our time.
Excellent article. I'm keeping the link for future reference. Thanks.

Brenda
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2020-05-29 03:24:36 UTC
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Post by Cloud Hobbit
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical,
objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god
exists. Can you do that?
DNA
DNA, far from being of divine origin, is just a long string of nucleotides composed of hydrogen,
oxygen, phosphorus, carbon and nitrogen (listed in no particular order). It's just chemistry.
No. It takes DNA to make DNA.
Provide a link to a research paper or precise claiming that. In fact, you need to provide links to *all* your claims. You have nothing to underpin your claims; all you do is repeat them endlessly with no supporting evidence. Why is that?
You don't find it in the natural chemical world.
But we find RNA in the wild, and, as I have been at pains to explain to you (with supporting cites), that (1) that RNA is plentiful and occurs naturally; (2) that it is unstable; (3) that it shares nucleotides and other chemical components with DNA; (4) that, given all this, it's a short step for RNA to evolve into DNA; and (5) that DNA changes frequently, especially during meiosis (cell division within reproductive cells). Were you even paying attention?
Furthermore, it is an~information~carrying molecule. The molecule without the
information has no use, purpose or function.
It's fucking chemistry, you idiot, it follows the laws of physics, it *has* no "purpose." And by the way, you've made another logical error: the Argument from Consequences.
The prime origin of this information could only have come from an intelligent
source.
And your evidence for this assertion is...what, exactly? All you do is repeat it, and you never provide any evidence to shore up your assertion. Cite, please.
Not from any chemical soup.
The "chemical soup" idea was discarded decades ago. Try to keep up. Proto-cells, including cell membranes, HAVE BEEN OBSERVED TO FORM IN MIXTURES OF CLAY AND SEAWATER. ("Hydrogels.") Do try reading for comprehension, for a change.
To form DNA, these nucleotides link up with sugars, phosphates, and
nitrogen bases (adenine [A], thymine [T], guanine [G] and cytosine [C]).
But it only happens in a living cell!
No, actually, it's been observed in the lab.
DNA is likely to have developed from RNA,
This is pure fantasy, And you obviously believe it. Why?
Because that's where the evidence points, dumbass. I provided you links to the current research, yet you don't provide any to shore up your argument. Why is that?
Jesus, but you're dim.
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
Here's an idea I had not heard about.
https://phys.org/news/2015-03-chemists-riddle-life-began-earth.html
(Phys.org)—A team of chemists working at the MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, at Cambridge in the UK believes they have solved the mystery of how it was possible for life to begin on Earth over four billion years ago. In their paper published in the journal Nature Chemistry, the team describes how they were able to map reactions that produced two and three-carbon sugars, amino acids, ribonucleotides and glycerol—the material necessary for metabolism and for creating the building blocks of proteins and ribonucleic acid molecules and also for allowing for the creation of lipids that form cell membranes.
Scientists have debated for years the various possibilities that could have led to life evolving on Earth, and the arguments have only grown more heated in recent years as many have suggested that it did not happen here it all, instead, it was brought to us from comets or some other celestial body. Most of the recent debate has found scientists in one of three chicken-or-the-egg first camps: RNA world advocates, metabolism-first supporters and those who believe that cell membranes must have developed first.
The chemists with this new effort believe they have found a way to show that all three arguments are both right and wrong—they believe they have found a way to show that everything necessary for life to evolve could have done so from just hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen cyanide and ultraviolet light and that those building blocks could have all existed at the same time—in their paper, they report that using just those three basic ingredients they were able to produce more than 50 nucleic acids—precursors to DNA and RNA molecules. They note that early meteorites carried with them ingredients that would react with nitrogen already in the atmosphere, producing a lot of hydrogen cyanide. By dissolving in water, it could have very easily come into contact with hydrogen sulfide, while being exposed to ultraviolet light from the sun. And that, they claim, would have been all that was needed to get things going.
The findings by the team are sure to garner a great deal of interest in the scientific community and others will no doubt be testing and commenting on their findings. If what they claim passes muster, their work will likely be remembered as one of the great achievements of our time.
Excellent article. I'm keeping the link for future reference. Thanks.
Brenda
i hated it
Cloud Hobbit
2020-05-29 18:23:44 UTC
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Post by SkyEyes
Excellent article. I'm keeping the link for future reference. Thanks.
You're very welcome.
d***@cox.net
2020-05-28 18:28:00 UTC
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<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the
EU invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell,
you get to choose. Try to choose wisely.
Doesn't this alleged god possess "infinite mercy"? How could
such a being torture humans forever? Simply for not
believing in what isn't apparent?
God does not torture humans forever.
That is not what many christians have told me.
If he tortures humans at all he's an evil god.
God doesn't but the message is still it's your judgment on the way you lived you
life in the flesh. Be good and listen to God.
Why should anyone listen to anything that has no supporting evidence
that it even exists?
You're..........still blind.
You............still lie.
Name one time.
You just did, liar. We both know I am not blind and it is apparent to
anyone who reads this.
Nope, simpleton one, you're blind to truth.
then they should also know that I don't lie on the ng.
You lie constantly. You accuse me of being blind with no basis for
saying so and you state I do not support things I have not said.
You're blind to truth.
the dukester, American-American
Attila
2020-05-28 19:07:17 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the
EU invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell,
you get to choose. Try to choose wisely.
Doesn't this alleged god possess "infinite mercy"? How could
such a being torture humans forever? Simply for not
believing in what isn't apparent?
God does not torture humans forever.
That is not what many christians have told me.
If he tortures humans at all he's an evil god.
God doesn't but the message is still it's your judgment on the way you lived you
life in the flesh. Be good and listen to God.
Why should anyone listen to anything that has no supporting evidence
that it even exists?
You're..........still blind.
You............still lie.
Name one time.
You just did, liar. We both know I am not blind and it is apparent to
anyone who reads this.
Nope, simpleton one, you're blind to truth.
What makes what you say the truth? You never support anything and
push your silly superstition as if it has any meaning in the real
world and you expect everyone to simply accept it as being valid.

I do not accept it and never will without supporting evidence.

I have no reason not to consider everything you say as myth or,
considering how hard you push it, deliberate lies calculated to
deceive for some reason.
Post by d***@cox.net
then they should also know that I don't lie on the ng.
You lie constantly. You accuse me of being blind with no basis for
saying so and you state I do not support things I have not said.
You're blind to truth.
You say something is the truth and you expect me to simply take your
word for it because you say so.

No.

In my world truth comes with supporting evidence and all else is myth
or legend at best and deliberate lies at worst.

You lie when you say I am blind because my vision is within normal
limits. I have it checked once per year.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
d***@cox.net
2020-05-29 15:28:17 UTC
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Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the
EU invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell,
you get to choose. Try to choose wisely.
Doesn't this alleged god possess "infinite mercy"? How could
such a being torture humans forever? Simply for not
believing in what isn't apparent?
God does not torture humans forever.
That is not what many christians have told me.
If he tortures humans at all he's an evil god.
God doesn't but the message is still it's your judgment on the way you lived you
life in the flesh. Be good and listen to God.
Why should anyone listen to anything that has no supporting evidence
that it even exists?
You're..........still blind.
You............still lie.
Name one time.
You just did, liar. We both know I am not blind and it is apparent to
anyone who reads this.
Nope, simpleton one, you're blind to truth.
What makes what you say the truth? You never support anything and
push your silly superstition as if it has any meaning in the real
world and you expect everyone to simply accept it as being valid.
I do not accept it and never will without supporting evidence.
Now you know why YOU'RE fully rejected.
Post by Attila
I have no reason not to consider everything you say as myth or,
considering how hard you push it, deliberate lies calculated to
deceive for some reason.
Go ahead. It's your funeral.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
then they should also know that I don't lie on the ng.
You lie constantly. You accuse me of being blind with no basis for
saying so and you state I do not support things I have not said.
You're blind to truth.
You say something is the truth and you expect me to simply take your
word for it because you say so.
Actually I take you as incompetent to seek your own information.
Post by Attila
No.
In my world truth comes with supporting evidence and all else is myth
or legend at best and deliberate lies at worst.
Your world is a child's world. That's why you can't support anything you say.
Post by Attila
You lie when you say I am blind because my vision is within normal
limits. I have it checked once per year.
Your ability to reason is dead. Only you can change that and then engage in
discussion.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
Attila
2020-05-29 17:26:16 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the
EU invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell,
you get to choose. Try to choose wisely.
Doesn't this alleged god possess "infinite mercy"? How could
such a being torture humans forever? Simply for not
believing in what isn't apparent?
God does not torture humans forever.
That is not what many christians have told me.
If he tortures humans at all he's an evil god.
God doesn't but the message is still it's your judgment on the way you lived you
life in the flesh. Be good and listen to God.
Why should anyone listen to anything that has no supporting evidence
that it even exists?
You're..........still blind.
You............still lie.
Name one time.
You just did, liar. We both know I am not blind and it is apparent to
anyone who reads this.
Nope, simpleton one, you're blind to truth.
What makes what you say the truth? You never support anything and
push your silly superstition as if it has any meaning in the real
world and you expect everyone to simply accept it as being valid.
I do not accept it and never will without supporting evidence.
Now you know why YOU'RE fully rejected.
Rejected? Since I have never had any interest in being accepted (into
whatever you are talking about) why should I care if I am rejected? It
saves me the trouble of quitting unless I could get a certificate of
rejection suitable for framing.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
I have no reason not to consider everything you say as myth or,
considering how hard you push it, deliberate lies calculated to
deceive for some reason.
Go ahead. It's your funeral.
I wonder why you are so interested since you have made that statement
at lease two dozen times. If I don't care why should you?
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
then they should also know that I don't lie on the ng.
You lie constantly. You accuse me of being blind with no basis for
saying so and you state I do not support things I have not said.
You're blind to truth.
You say something is the truth and you expect me to simply take your
word for it because you say so.
Actually I take you as incompetent to seek your own information.
Ignored the issue again I see. It is about your failure to support
anything you say.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
No.
In my world truth comes with supporting evidence and all else is myth
or legend at best and deliberate lies at worst.
Your world is a child's world. That's why you can't support anything you say.
There goes the inept liar again. Just what have I said that requires
support other than to point out how you never support anything you say
or any claim you make?
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
You lie when you say I am blind because my vision is within normal
limits. I have it checked once per year.
Your ability to reason is dead. Only you can change that and then engage in
discussion.
Major Misdirection is at it again. You really hate to stay on point
don't you.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
d***@cox.net
2020-05-30 15:55:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the
EU invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell,
you get to choose. Try to choose wisely.
Doesn't this alleged god possess "infinite mercy"? How could
such a being torture humans forever? Simply for not
believing in what isn't apparent?
God does not torture humans forever.
That is not what many christians have told me.
If he tortures humans at all he's an evil god.
God doesn't but the message is still it's your judgment on the way you lived you
life in the flesh. Be good and listen to God.
Why should anyone listen to anything that has no supporting evidence
that it even exists?
You're..........still blind.
You............still lie.
Name one time.
You just did, liar. We both know I am not blind and it is apparent to
anyone who reads this.
Nope, simpleton one, you're blind to truth.
What makes what you say the truth? You never support anything and
push your silly superstition as if it has any meaning in the real
world and you expect everyone to simply accept it as being valid.
I do not accept it and never will without supporting evidence.
Now you know why YOU'RE fully rejected.
Rejected? Since I have never had any interest in being accepted
Well, you succeeded.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
I have no reason not to consider everything you say as myth or,
considering how hard you push it, deliberate lies calculated to
deceive for some reason.
Go ahead. It's your funeral.
I wonder why you are so interested since you have made that statement
at lease two dozen times. If I don't care why should you?
I'm not. You are. You still have a chance to make something of yourself.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
then they should also know that I don't lie on the ng.
You lie constantly. You accuse me of being blind with no basis for
saying so and you state I do not support things I have not said.
You're blind to truth.
You say something is the truth and you expect me to simply take your
word for it because you say so.
Actually I take you as incompetent to seek your own information.
Ignored the issue again I see. It is about your failure to support
anything you say.
It's simple. You're incompetent.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
No.
In my world truth comes with supporting evidence and all else is myth
or legend at best and deliberate lies at worst.
Your world is a child's world. That's why you can't support anything you say.
There goes the inept liar again. Just what have I said that requires
support other than to point out how you never support anything you say
or any claim you make?
It depends on the intelligence level of the one I'm addressing.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Your ability to reason is dead. Only you can change that and then engage in
discussion.
Major Misdirection is at it again. You really hate to stay on point
don't you.
It's one of your major problems.
the dukester, American-American
Attila
2020-05-30 20:18:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the
EU invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell,
you get to choose. Try to choose wisely.
Doesn't this alleged god possess "infinite mercy"? How could
such a being torture humans forever? Simply for not
believing in what isn't apparent?
God does not torture humans forever.
That is not what many christians have told me.
If he tortures humans at all he's an evil god.
God doesn't but the message is still it's your judgment on the way you lived you
life in the flesh. Be good and listen to God.
Why should anyone listen to anything that has no supporting evidence
that it even exists?
You're..........still blind.
You............still lie.
Name one time.
You just did, liar. We both know I am not blind and it is apparent to
anyone who reads this.
Nope, simpleton one, you're blind to truth.
What makes what you say the truth? You never support anything and
push your silly superstition as if it has any meaning in the real
world and you expect everyone to simply accept it as being valid.
I do not accept it and never will without supporting evidence.
Now you know why YOU'RE fully rejected.
Rejected? Since I have never had any interest in being accepted
Well, you succeeded.
Yea me.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
I have no reason not to consider everything you say as myth or,
considering how hard you push it, deliberate lies calculated to
deceive for some reason.
Go ahead. It's your funeral.
I wonder why you are so interested since you have made that statement
at lease two dozen times. If I don't care why should you?
I'm not. You are. You still have a chance to make something of yourself.
I am something. I have no interest in being anything you would
describe as something.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
then they should also know that I don't lie on the ng.
You lie constantly. You accuse me of being blind with no basis for
saying so and you state I do not support things I have not said.
You're blind to truth.
You say something is the truth and you expect me to simply take your
word for it because you say so.
Actually I take you as incompetent to seek your own information.
Ignored the issue again I see. It is about your failure to support
anything you say.
It's simple. You're incompetent.
Major Misdirection never stops trying to redirect the issue. You are
still a liar.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
No.
In my world truth comes with supporting evidence and all else is myth
or legend at best and deliberate lies at worst.
Your world is a child's world. That's why you can't support anything you say.
There goes the inept liar again. Just what have I said that requires
support other than to point out how you never support anything you say
or any claim you make?
It depends on the intelligence level of the one I'm addressing.
Again you refuse a direct answer. And thus continuing your lies.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Your ability to reason is dead. Only you can change that and then engage in
discussion.
Major Misdirection is at it again. You really hate to stay on point
don't you.
It's one of your major problems.
I am not the one who avoids any direct interface.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Mitchell Holman
2020-05-29 17:40:18 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Your world is a child's world. That's why you can't support anything you say.
Et tu, Brute?



"I can show you where Jesus gave us the Holy Mass,
7 sacraments, the Pope and the Apostles/bishops."
Earl Weber/Duke, unproven claim, May 23, 2019
http://tinyurl.com/y3wkxpcd
d***@cox.net
2020-05-30 15:57:19 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by d***@cox.net
Your world is a child's world. That's why you can't support anything you say.
Et tu, Brute?
Only you can change.
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-05-28 18:29:25 UTC
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==
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical,
objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god
exists. Can you do that?
DNA
DNA, far from being of divine origin, is just a long string of nucleotides composed of hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, carbon and nitrogen (listed in no particular order). It's just chemistry. To form DNA, these nucleotides link up with sugars, phosphates, and nitrogen bases (adenine [A], thymine [T], guanine [G] and cytosine [C]).
And stopping you right there, you've already demonstrated more knowledge
of DNA than Andrew, whose mantra is to chant "DNA" at us over and over, ever has.
And probably ever will -- I gave him a couple of trivial, first week, first course quizzes
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/I2Qhr98zmm4/0D3osJjcBwAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/5jtXV8R6yss/4H6SH9UyAgAJ
He answered with the sound of receding footsteps.
He did once try pawning off a video which traced the DNA-mRNA-ribosiime-tRNA
sequence, but when I asked him to paraphrase it in his own words ... well, take a guess.
Indeed. Neither Andrew nor aaa understand the least thing about DNA, RNA, mitosis, meiosis, cell division - or anything concerning how genetics actually works. Trying to enlighten them really *is* throwing pearls before swine.
Brenda
==
I notice you couldn't provide your own answers.
Was that addressed to me?
I guess so.
If so, take a shot at the two quizzes linked to there, and I'll grade your answers.
Not me. I never claimed to know the answers just like you can't.
The teacher does not give out answers in advance of the student taking the test.
Oko
Are you addressing that to me?
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
Oko tillo
2020-05-28 23:39:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
==
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical,
objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god
exists. Can you do that?
DNA
DNA, far from being of divine origin, is just a long string of nucleotides composed of hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, carbon and nitrogen (listed in no particular order). It's just chemistry. To form DNA, these nucleotides link up with sugars, phosphates, and nitrogen bases (adenine [A], thymine [T], guanine [G] and cytosine [C]).
And stopping you right there, you've already demonstrated more knowledge
of DNA than Andrew, whose mantra is to chant "DNA" at us over and over, ever has.
And probably ever will -- I gave him a couple of trivial, first week, first course quizzes
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/I2Qhr98zmm4/0D3osJjcBwAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/5jtXV8R6yss/4H6SH9UyAgAJ
He answered with the sound of receding footsteps.
He did once try pawning off a video which traced the DNA-mRNA-ribosiime-tRNA
sequence, but when I asked him to paraphrase it in his own words ... well, take a guess.
Indeed. Neither Andrew nor aaa understand the least thing about DNA, RNA, mitosis, meiosis, cell division - or anything concerning how genetics actually works. Trying to enlighten them really *is* throwing pearls before swine.
Brenda
==
==
Post by d***@cox.net
I notice you couldn't provide your own answers.
Was that addressed to me?
I guess so.
If so, take a shot at the two quizzes linked to there, and I'll grade your answers.
Not me. I never claimed to know the answers just like you can't.
Like I can't what?
Post by d***@cox.net
The teacher does not give out answers in advance of the student taking the test.
Oko
Post by d***@cox.net
Oko
Are you addressing that to me?
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
Sir Hømer Hall, Esq.
2020-05-28 23:51:39 UTC
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On Thu, 28 May 2020, Oko tillo <***@gmail.com> wrote:

<large and courteous trim>
Post by Oko tillo
Like I can't what?
Like you can't seem to trim like you should if
you knew anything at all about Usenet.
--
Yours Truly, Sir Gregøry

"I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the
essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and
not, when I came to die, discøver that I had not lived." __Henry David Thøreau
%
2020-05-28 23:53:00 UTC
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Post by Sir Hømer Hall, Esq.
<large and courteous trim>
Post by Oko tillo
Like I can't what?
Like you can't seem to trim like you should if
you knew anything at all about Usenet.
no one should ever trim anything ever no matter how long it is
d***@cox.net
2020-05-29 15:35:40 UTC
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Post by %
Post by Sir Hømer Hall, Esq.
<large and courteous trim>
Post by Oko tillo
Like I can't what?
Like you can't seem to trim like you should if
you knew anything at all about Usenet.
no one should ever trim anything ever no matter how long it is
Once upon a time not too long ago, messages were measured by the number of lines
of text included, both new and carryover. ONce you hit a daily limit, you were
thru for the day.
the dukester, American-American
Attila
2020-05-29 17:27:21 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Post by %
Post by Sir Hømer Hall, Esq.
<large and courteous trim>
Post by Oko tillo
Like I can't what?
Like you can't seem to trim like you should if
you knew anything at all about Usenet.
no one should ever trim anything ever no matter how long it is
Once upon a time not too long ago, messages were measured by the number of lines
of text included, both new and carryover. ONce you hit a daily limit, you were
thru for the day.
I have only been doing this for 23 years but I have never hit such a
limit.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
LinuxGal
2020-05-29 18:24:54 UTC
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Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by %
Post by Sir Hømer Hall, Esq.
<large and courteous trim>
Post by Oko tillo
Like I can't what?
Like you can't seem to trim like you should if
you knew anything at all about Usenet.
no one should ever trim anything ever no matter how long it is
Once upon a time not too long ago, messages were measured by the number of lines
of text included, both new and carryover. ONce you hit a daily limit, you were
thru for the day.
I have only been doing this for 23 years but I have never hit such a
limit.
Would that there were such limits in Eternal September
(1993) and forward, Usenet would have had less crap. Then
again I couldn't get my five hour Star's End podcasts.
--
Linux Geeks: Smart. Single. Sexy.
Well, two out of three ain't bad!

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
d***@cox.net
2020-05-30 16:00:22 UTC
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Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by %
Post by Sir Hømer Hall, Esq.
<large and courteous trim>
Post by Oko tillo
Like I can't what?
Like you can't seem to trim like you should if
you knew anything at all about Usenet.
no one should ever trim anything ever no matter how long it is
Once upon a time not too long ago, messages were measured by the number of lines
of text included, both new and carryover. ONce you hit a daily limit, you were
thru for the day.
I have only been doing this for 23 years but I have never hit such a
limit.
The total limit for the day, not just the post, included all lines associated
with your daily post level. I hit it maybe twice and had to shut down until the
next day.

I cut off all the useless bs from old postings.
the dukester, American-American
Attila
2020-05-30 19:41:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by %
Post by Sir Hømer Hall, Esq.
<large and courteous trim>
Post by Oko tillo
Like I can't what?
Like you can't seem to trim like you should if
you knew anything at all about Usenet.
no one should ever trim anything ever no matter how long it is
Once upon a time not too long ago, messages were measured by the number of lines
of text included, both new and carryover. ONce you hit a daily limit, you were
thru for the day.
I have only been doing this for 23 years but I have never hit such a
limit.
The total limit for the day, not just the post, included all lines associated
with your daily post level. I hit it maybe twice and had to shut down until the
next day.
I cut off all the useless bs from old postings.
If anyone could hit such a limit it would be you. It is obvious from
your volume you have nothing in your life except what you crank
through a keyboard.

Those who clip what others say are usually trying to alter the thread
to something they feel they can better control.

A user named Papa Jack used to do that. I removed him from my
killfile after he was safely dead.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
d***@cox.net
2020-05-29 15:30:01 UTC
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Post by Oko tillo
Post by d***@cox.net
==
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical,
objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god
exists. Can you do that?
DNA
DNA, far from being of divine origin, is just a long string of nucleotides composed of hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, carbon and nitrogen (listed in no particular order). It's just chemistry. To form DNA, these nucleotides link up with sugars, phosphates, and nitrogen bases (adenine [A], thymine [T], guanine [G] and cytosine [C]).
And stopping you right there, you've already demonstrated more knowledge
of DNA than Andrew, whose mantra is to chant "DNA" at us over and over, ever has.
And probably ever will -- I gave him a couple of trivial, first week, first course quizzes
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/I2Qhr98zmm4/0D3osJjcBwAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/5jtXV8R6yss/4H6SH9UyAgAJ
He answered with the sound of receding footsteps.
He did once try pawning off a video which traced the DNA-mRNA-ribosiime-tRNA
sequence, but when I asked him to paraphrase it in his own words ... well, take a guess.
Indeed. Neither Andrew nor aaa understand the least thing about DNA, RNA, mitosis, meiosis, cell division - or anything concerning how genetics actually works. Trying to enlighten them really *is* throwing pearls before swine.
Brenda
==
==
Post by d***@cox.net
I notice you couldn't provide your own answers.
Was that addressed to me?
I guess so.
If so, take a shot at the two quizzes linked to there, and I'll grade your answers.
Not me. I never claimed to know the answers just like you can't.
Like I can't what?
Know the answers.

the dukester, American-American
Oko tillo
2020-05-29 20:15:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Oko tillo
Post by d***@cox.net
==
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical,
objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god
exists. Can you do that?
DNA
DNA, far from being of divine origin, is just a long string of nucleotides composed of hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, carbon and nitrogen (listed in no particular order). It's just chemistry. To form DNA, these nucleotides link up with sugars, phosphates, and nitrogen bases (adenine [A], thymine [T], guanine [G] and cytosine [C]).
And stopping you right there, you've already demonstrated more knowledge
of DNA than Andrew, whose mantra is to chant "DNA" at us over and over, ever has.
And probably ever will -- I gave him a couple of trivial, first week, first course quizzes
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/I2Qhr98zmm4/0D3osJjcBwAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/5jtXV8R6yss/4H6SH9UyAgAJ
He answered with the sound of receding footsteps.
He did once try pawning off a video which traced the DNA-mRNA-ribosiime-tRNA
sequence, but when I asked him to paraphrase it in his own words ... well, take a guess.
Indeed. Neither Andrew nor aaa understand the least thing about DNA, RNA, mitosis, meiosis, cell division - or anything concerning how genetics actually works. Trying to enlighten them really *is* throwing pearls before swine.
Brenda
==
==
==
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Oko tillo
Post by d***@cox.net
I notice you couldn't provide your own answers.
Was that addressed to me?
I guess so.
If so, take a shot at the two quizzes linked to there, and I'll grade your answers.
Not me. I never claimed to know the answers just like you can't.
Like I can't what?
Know the answers.
Ah, yet one more lie by the "Dukester".

Right here on the newsgroup, for all to see.


Tell ya what: I'll give the answers -- while intentionally making one mistake --
and you'll tell us all which one is wrong.

Deal?


Oko
d***@cox.net
2020-05-30 16:03:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Oko tillo
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Oko tillo
Post by d***@cox.net
==
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical,
objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god
exists. Can you do that?
DNA
DNA, far from being of divine origin, is just a long string of nucleotides composed of hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, carbon and nitrogen (listed in no particular order). It's just chemistry. To form DNA, these nucleotides link up with sugars, phosphates, and nitrogen bases (adenine [A], thymine [T], guanine [G] and cytosine [C]).
And stopping you right there, you've already demonstrated more knowledge
of DNA than Andrew, whose mantra is to chant "DNA" at us over and over, ever has.
And probably ever will -- I gave him a couple of trivial, first week, first course quizzes
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/I2Qhr98zmm4/0D3osJjcBwAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/5jtXV8R6yss/4H6SH9UyAgAJ
He answered with the sound of receding footsteps.
He did once try pawning off a video which traced the DNA-mRNA-ribosiime-tRNA
sequence, but when I asked him to paraphrase it in his own words ... well, take a guess.
Indeed. Neither Andrew nor aaa understand the least thing about DNA, RNA, mitosis, meiosis, cell division - or anything concerning how genetics actually works. Trying to enlighten them really *is* throwing pearls before swine.
Brenda
==
==
==
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Oko tillo
Post by d***@cox.net
I notice you couldn't provide your own answers.
Was that addressed to me?
I guess so.
If so, take a shot at the two quizzes linked to there, and I'll grade your answers.
Not me. I never claimed to know the answers just like you can't.
Like I can't what?
Know the answers.
Ah, yet one more lie by the "Dukester".
I have no useful knowledge on DNA, RNA, mitosis, meiosis, etc. Just like I
said.
Post by Oko tillo
Right here on the newsgroup, for all to see.
Tell ya what: I'll give the answers -- while intentionally making one mistake --
and you'll tell us all which one is wrong.
Deal?
Nope, don't care. No useful knowledge is no useful knowledge. You're not very
bright, cactus.
Post by Oko tillo
Oko
the dukester, American-American
Oko tillo
2020-05-31 00:28:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Oko tillo
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Oko tillo
Post by d***@cox.net
==
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical,
objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god
exists. Can you do that?
DNA
DNA, far from being of divine origin, is just a long string of nucleotides composed of hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, carbon and nitrogen (listed in no particular order). It's just chemistry. To form DNA, these nucleotides link up with sugars, phosphates, and nitrogen bases (adenine [A], thymine [T], guanine [G] and cytosine [C]).
And stopping you right there, you've already demonstrated more knowledge
of DNA than Andrew, whose mantra is to chant "DNA" at us over and over, ever has.
And probably ever will -- I gave him a couple of trivial, first week, first course quizzes
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/I2Qhr98zmm4/0D3osJjcBwAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/5jtXV8R6yss/4H6SH9UyAgAJ
He answered with the sound of receding footsteps.
He did once try pawning off a video which traced the DNA-mRNA-ribosiime-tRNA
sequence, but when I asked him to paraphrase it in his own words ... well, take a guess.
Indeed. Neither Andrew nor aaa understand the least thing about DNA, RNA, mitosis, meiosis, cell division - or anything concerning how genetics actually works. Trying to enlighten them really *is* throwing pearls before swine.
Brenda
==
==
==
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Oko tillo
Post by d***@cox.net
I notice you couldn't provide your own answers.
Was that addressed to me?
I guess so.
If so, take a shot at the two quizzes linked to there, and I'll grade your answers.
==
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Oko tillo
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Oko tillo
Post by d***@cox.net
Not me. I never claimed to know the answers just like you can't.
Like I can't what?
Know the answers.
Ah, yet one more lie by the "Dukester".
I have no useful knowledge on DNA, RNA, mitosis, meiosis, etc. Just like I
said.
And you also said I can't clam to know the answers, liar.

You: " I never claimed to know the answers just like you can't".

Me: "Like I can't what?"

You: "Know the answers".
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Oko tillo
Right here on the newsgroup, for all to see.
Tell ya what: I'll give the answers -- while intentionally making one mistake --
and you'll tell us all which one is wrong.
Deal?
==
Post by d***@cox.net
Nope, don't care. No useful knowledge is no useful knowledge.
You're not very bright, cactus.
Bright people are interested in knowing lots of things, and get excited when
the come across interesting things they didn't know about.

Dullards have no interest in anything that isn't strictly "useful".

Which makes them rather boring people.


Oko
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Oko tillo
Oko
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-05-28 18:40:37 UTC
Permalink
Prove it, in-your-face moron.
You atheists are all alike. "Prove it, prove it, prove it!"
Then when somebody proves it, you then resort
to hollering, "Liar!"
Grow up.
You have yet to "prove" anything. Nor have you even provided the least shred of *evidence* for your position.
And like Homer said, you atheists don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to
supporting your own proclamations.
*You* and your fellow-travelers are the ones making the positive claim that a god exists.
Absolutely.
But you can't back it up.
We provide everything that exists.
That is a claim, not supporting evidence.
I have defined God as the eternal creator
that willed all things into existence 13.8 billion years ago.
I can define anything I like. That doesn't mean it actually means
anything.
But I use scientific evidence and sound reasoning.
I won't lie like you do and make up something.
How do I know? You never provide supporting evidence.
If you lack supporting evidence yourself, you're in the wrong discussion
The burden of proof is on *you* to provide evidence that your claim is true - that's how logic
works, Puke. All we atheists are saying is "we don't believe you." The burden of proof is not on us.
That's great, don't believe me. It's your funeral in the long run. You have
nothing for your own position.
Another meaningless response made in an attempt to divert attention
from the actual issue. Which you once again have ignored.
You are unable to offer anything for consideration.
That is not why I am here.
Thus you shouldn't care if I play on your ignorance.
All you can say is "we
don't believe you". If you choose to ignore the facts, what else of truth can I
offer?
What facts? I submit your so-called facts are myth and legend with no
supporting evidence.
But you lack the evidence to know truth. In fact, if you can't know truth
anyway, you don't know one way or the other. So you don't need for me to
support my words if you don't know truth..
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical, objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god exists. Can you do that?
You have yet to find error with what I say.
Another meaningless statement meant to draw attention away from your
continued lack of supporting evidence.
Where's my error, brain boy.
Still no supporting evidence for anything you say.
Heeheehee. This is going to be fun.
the dukester, American-American
Cloud Hobbit
2020-05-28 18:53:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Prove it, in-your-face moron.
You atheists are all alike. "Prove it, prove it, prove it!"
Then when somebody proves it, you then resort
to hollering, "Liar!"
Grow up.
You have yet to "prove" anything. Nor have you even provided the least shred of *evidence* for your position.
And like Homer said, you atheists don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to
supporting your own proclamations.
*You* and your fellow-travelers are the ones making the positive claim that a god exists.
Absolutely.
But you can't back it up.
We provide everything that exists.
That is a claim, not supporting evidence.
I have defined God as the eternal creator
that willed all things into existence 13.8 billion years ago.
I can define anything I like. That doesn't mean it actually means
anything.
But I use scientific evidence and sound reasoning.
I won't lie like you do and make up something.
How do I know? You never provide supporting evidence.
If you lack supporting evidence yourself, you're in the wrong discussion
The burden of proof is on *you* to provide evidence that your claim is true - that's how logic
works, Puke. All we atheists are saying is "we don't believe you." The burden of proof is not on us.
That's great, don't believe me. It's your funeral in the long run. You have
nothing for your own position.
Another meaningless response made in an attempt to divert attention
from the actual issue. Which you once again have ignored.
You are unable to offer anything for consideration.
That is not why I am here.
Thus you shouldn't care if I play on your ignorance.
All you can say is "we
don't believe you". If you choose to ignore the facts, what else of truth can I
offer?
What facts? I submit your so-called facts are myth and legend with no
supporting evidence.
But you lack the evidence to know truth. In fact, if you can't know truth
anyway, you don't know one way or the other. So you don't need for me to
support my words if you don't know truth..
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical, objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god exists. Can you do that?
You have yet to find error with what I say.
Another meaningless statement meant to draw attention away from your
continued lack of supporting evidence.
Where's my error, brain boy.
Still no supporting evidence for anything you say.
Heeheehee. This is going to be fun.
the dukester
And none for anything you claim. That's why you do the evasion dance when you are asked for evidence, you don't have any.

If you did, you'd be shouting it from the rooftops.
But you aren't. Because you can't.
That would make you a liar, not that we don't already know that about you.

You're a fraud duke and you know it and you know that we know it.

Thankfully, my experience has been that YOU are not a typical Catholic.
You are just someone who chooses to annoy us for no reason other than to get attention.
d***@cox.net
2020-05-29 15:41:23 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 28 May 2020 11:53:07 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Post by d***@cox.net
But you lack the evidence to know truth. In fact, if you can't know truth
anyway, you don't know one way or the other. So you don't need for me to
support my words if you don't know truth..
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical, objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god exists. Can you do that?
You have yet to find error with what I say.
Another meaningless statement meant to draw attention away from your
continued lack of supporting evidence.
Where's my error, brain boy.
Still no supporting evidence for anything you say.
Heeheehee. This is going to be fun.
the dukester
And none for anything you claim. That's why you do the evasion dance when you are asked for evidence, you don't have any.
If you did, you'd be shouting it from the rooftops.
But you aren't. Because you can't.
That would make you a liar, not that we don't already know that about you.
You're a fraud duke and you know it and you know that we know it.
Thankfully, my experience has been that YOU are not a typical Catholic.
You are just someone who chooses to annoy us for no reason other than to get attention.
If you are annoyed, then you deserve it for being so ignorant.

I'm not annoyed becasue I have knowledge that you lack.
the dukester, American-American
Attila
2020-05-28 19:22:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Prove it, in-your-face moron.
You atheists are all alike. "Prove it, prove it, prove it!"
Then when somebody proves it, you then resort
to hollering, "Liar!"
Grow up.
You have yet to "prove" anything. Nor have you even provided the least shred of *evidence* for your position.
And like Homer said, you atheists don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to
supporting your own proclamations.
*You* and your fellow-travelers are the ones making the positive claim that a god exists.
Absolutely.
But you can't back it up.
We provide everything that exists.
That is a claim, not supporting evidence.
I have defined God as the eternal creator
that willed all things into existence 13.8 billion years ago.
I can define anything I like. That doesn't mean it actually means
anything.
But I use scientific evidence and sound reasoning.
I have never seen you present anything that is actual evidence that
could convince anyone of anything. Your so-called evidence consists
of "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!". IOW, a
useless waste of space supporting nothing and convincing no one.

Your reasoning is irrelevant. You can present any and all of the
logic and reasoning you like but if actual unambiguous, unrelated and
verifiable evidence is not included I won't even bother to read it.

Your silly superstition relies on faith for acceptance and that word
is meaningless to me. I do not and will never have faith as any part
of anything I deem acceptable or even close to being valid.
Post by d***@cox.net
I won't lie like you do and make up something.
How do I know? You never provide supporting evidence.
If you lack supporting evidence yourself, you're in the wrong discussion
Another meaningless response made in an attempt to divert attention
from the actual issue. Which you once again have ignored.

Where is your supporting evidence?
Post by d***@cox.net
The burden of proof is on *you* to provide evidence that your claim is true - that's how logic
works, Puke. All we atheists are saying is "we don't believe you." The burden of proof is not on us.
That's great, don't believe me. It's your funeral in the long run. You have
nothing for your own position.
Another meaningless response made in an attempt to divert attention
from the actual issue. Which you once again have ignored.
You are unable to offer anything for consideration.
That is not why I am here.
Thus you shouldn't care if I play on your ignorance.
Once again Captain Misdirection is attempting to change the
discussion.

The issue is "The burden of proof is on *you* to provide evidence that
your claim is true" and as usual you are ready to discuss anything
else as long as it is something else.
Post by d***@cox.net
All you can say is "we
don't believe you". If you choose to ignore the facts, what else of truth can I
offer?
What facts? I submit your so-called facts are myth and legend with no
supporting evidence.
But you lack the evidence to know truth.
If what you say has any truth there must be supporting evidence to
that effect. Since you are asserting it as truth it is your
responsibility to prove this evidence.

Where is it?
Post by d***@cox.net
In fact, if you can't know truth
anyway, you don't know one way or the other. So you don't need for me to
support my words if you don't know truth..
Again you are trying to change the direction of the discussion away
from the actual issue and in some other direction - any other
direction as long as it is something else.
Post by d***@cox.net
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical, objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god exists. Can you do that?
You have yet to find error with what I say.
Another meaningless statement meant to draw attention away from your
continued lack of supporting evidence.
Where's my error, brain boy.
Still no supporting evidence for anything you say.
Heeheehee. This is going to be fun.
You are still avoiding the actual issue. One would think you would
prefer to talk about something else - anything else as long as it
isn't the actual issue.

"I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to
present logical, objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and
*data*) that any god exists. Can you do that? "

Evidently not.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Patrick B
2020-05-28 21:14:18 UTC
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Post by Attila
I have never seen you present anything that is actual evidence that
could convince anyone of anything. Your so-called evidence consists
of "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!".
Nah. A pile of poop would prove you were there.
Attila
2020-05-28 21:45:14 UTC
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On Thu, 28 May 2020 17:14:18 -0400, Patrick B <***@ERINET.COM>
in alt.atheism with message-id
Post by Patrick B
Post by Attila
I have never seen you present anything that is actual evidence that
could convince anyone of anything. Your so-called evidence consists
of "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!".
Nah. A pile of poop would prove you were there.
At least it would prove something had been there - which is an
exception to what is usually presented as "evidence" whenever some
silly superstition is involved.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
d***@cox.net
2020-05-29 15:47:09 UTC
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Post by Patrick B
Post by Attila
I have never seen you present anything that is actual evidence that
could convince anyone of anything. Your so-called evidence consists
of "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!".
Nah. A pile of poop would prove you were there.
Doesn't he take it along with him.
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2020-05-29 15:46:36 UTC
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Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Prove it, in-your-face moron.
You atheists are all alike. "Prove it, prove it, prove it!"
Then when somebody proves it, you then resort
to hollering, "Liar!"
Grow up.
You have yet to "prove" anything. Nor have you even provided the least shred of *evidence* for your position.
And like Homer said, you atheists don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to
supporting your own proclamations.
*You* and your fellow-travelers are the ones making the positive claim that a god exists.
Absolutely.
But you can't back it up.
We provide everything that exists.
That is a claim, not supporting evidence.
I have defined God as the eternal creator
that willed all things into existence 13.8 billion years ago.
I can define anything I like. That doesn't mean it actually means
anything.
But I use scientific evidence and sound reasoning.
I have never seen you present anything that is actual evidence that
could convince anyone of anything.
I quote what's available. You have nothing.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
I won't lie like you do and make up something.
How do I know? You never provide supporting evidence.
If you lack supporting evidence yourself, you're in the wrong discussion
Another meaningless response made in an attempt to divert attention
from the actual issue. Which you once again have ignored.
Where is your supporting evidence?
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
The burden of proof is on *you* to provide evidence that your claim is true - that's how logic
works, Puke. All we atheists are saying is "we don't believe you." The burden of proof is not on us.
That's great, don't believe me. It's your funeral in the long run. You have
nothing for your own position.
Another meaningless response made in an attempt to divert attention
from the actual issue. Which you once again have ignored.
You are unable to offer anything for consideration.
That is not why I am here.
Thus you shouldn't care if I play on your ignorance.
Once again Captain Misdirection is attempting to change the
discussion.
Then why are you here? This is a discussion area, and you are very lacking in
knowledge.
Post by Attila
The issue is "The burden of proof is on *you* to provide evidence that
your claim is true" and as usual you are ready to discuss anything
else as long as it is something else.
No, on you.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
All you can say is "we
don't believe you". If you choose to ignore the facts, what else of truth can I
offer?
What facts? I submit your so-called facts are myth and legend with no
supporting evidence.
But you lack the evidence to know truth.
If what you say has any truth there must be supporting evidence to
that effect. Since you are asserting it as truth it is your
responsibility to prove this evidence.
Where is your supporting evidence for your position?
Post by Attila
Where is it?
Post by d***@cox.net
In fact, if you can't know truth
anyway, you don't know one way or the other. So you don't need for me to
support my words if you don't know truth..
Again you are trying to change the direction of the discussion away
from the actual issue and in some other direction - any other
direction as long as it is something else.
You can't accuse me and not get it coming back to you. That's the beautiful
purpose of discussion. You better know what you're saying or get your butt
kicked.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical, objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god exists. Can you do that?
You have yet to find error with what I say.
Another meaningless statement meant to draw attention away from your
continued lack of supporting evidence.
Where's my error, brain boy.
Still no supporting evidence for anything you say.
Heeheehee. This is going to be fun.
You are still avoiding the actual issue. One would think you would
prefer to talk about something else - anything else as long as it
isn't the actual issue.
"I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to
present logical, objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and
*data*) that any god exists. Can you do that? "
Evidently not.
Oh, bullshit. You don't know truth even when provided.
the dukester, American-American
Attila
2020-05-29 17:39:40 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Prove it, in-your-face moron.
You atheists are all alike. "Prove it, prove it, prove it!"
Then when somebody proves it, you then resort
to hollering, "Liar!"
Grow up.
You have yet to "prove" anything. Nor have you even provided the least shred of *evidence* for your position.
And like Homer said, you atheists don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to
supporting your own proclamations.
*You* and your fellow-travelers are the ones making the positive claim that a god exists.
Absolutely.
But you can't back it up.
We provide everything that exists.
That is a claim, not supporting evidence.
I have defined God as the eternal creator
that willed all things into existence 13.8 billion years ago.
I can define anything I like. That doesn't mean it actually means
anything.
But I use scientific evidence and sound reasoning.
I have never seen you present anything that is actual evidence that
could convince anyone of anything.
I quote what's available.
Quotation is not evidence.
Post by d***@cox.net
You have nothing.
What do I need?
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
I won't lie like you do and make up something.
How do I know? You never provide supporting evidence.
If you lack supporting evidence yourself, you're in the wrong discussion
Another meaningless response made in an attempt to divert attention
from the actual issue. Which you once again have ignored.
Where is your supporting evidence?
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Just what beliefs would that be? I would remind you that no evidence
is needed for either beliefs or opinions. Only those things asserted
as being factual or truthful - and that is how you speak of your god
and your silly superstition.

Once the line is crossed they are no longer beliefs but what you
present as statements of fact.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
The burden of proof is on *you* to provide evidence that your claim is true - that's how logic
works, Puke. All we atheists are saying is "we don't believe you." The burden of proof is not on us.
That's great, don't believe me. It's your funeral in the long run. You have
nothing for your own position.
Another meaningless response made in an attempt to divert attention
from the actual issue. Which you once again have ignored.
You are unable to offer anything for consideration.
That is not why I am here.
Thus you shouldn't care if I play on your ignorance.
Once again Captain Misdirection is attempting to change the
discussion.
Then why are you here?
To point out your dishonesty.
Post by d***@cox.net
This is a discussion area, and you are very lacking in
knowledge.
Is it an area for discussion of myths? I was under the impression you
were presenting what you say are facts.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
The issue is "The burden of proof is on *you* to provide evidence that
your claim is true" and as usual you are ready to discuss anything
else as long as it is something else.
No, on you.
Major Misdirection is here again. You are still avoiding any
supporting evidence for what you state are facts.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
All you can say is "we
don't believe you". If you choose to ignore the facts, what else of truth can I
offer?
What facts? I submit your so-called facts are myth and legend with no
supporting evidence.
But you lack the evidence to know truth.
Truth is supported by evidence.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
If what you say has any truth there must be supporting evidence to
that effect. Since you are asserting it as truth it is your
responsibility to prove this evidence.
Where is your supporting evidence for your position?
What position would that be, Major Misdirection? Do you think you can
avoid supporting what you say by lying about me?

You try that trick often enough - with no success. But you keep
trying.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Where is it?
Post by d***@cox.net
In fact, if you can't know truth
anyway, you don't know one way or the other. So you don't need for me to
support my words if you don't know truth..
Again you are trying to change the direction of the discussion away
from the actual issue and in some other direction - any other
direction as long as it is something else.
You can't accuse me and not get it coming back to you.
What is that supposed to mean? I accuse you of not supporting what
you present as being factual. What do I present?
Post by d***@cox.net
That's the beautiful
purpose of discussion. You better know what you're saying or get your butt
kicked.
I know exactly what I am saying. It isn't complicated.

You assert what you say are facts but you never provide any supporting
evidence to indicate they are actually facts and not lies. I point
this out. You try to misdirect the discussion. I point out what you
are doing. You still never provide any supporting evidence.

How complicated can that be?
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical, objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god exists. Can you do that?
You have yet to find error with what I say.
Another meaningless statement meant to draw attention away from your
continued lack of supporting evidence.
Where's my error, brain boy.
Still no supporting evidence for anything you say.
Heeheehee. This is going to be fun.
You are still avoiding the actual issue. One would think you would
prefer to talk about something else - anything else as long as it
isn't the actual issue.
"I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to
present logical, objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and
*data*) that any god exists. Can you do that? "
Evidently not.
Oh, bullshit. You don't know truth even when provided.
the dukester, American-American
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
d***@cox.net
2020-05-30 16:10:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Prove it, in-your-face moron.
You atheists are all alike. "Prove it, prove it, prove it!"
Then when somebody proves it, you then resort
to hollering, "Liar!"
Grow up.
You have yet to "prove" anything. Nor have you even provided the least shred of *evidence* for your position.
And like Homer said, you atheists don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to
supporting your own proclamations.
*You* and your fellow-travelers are the ones making the positive claim that a god exists.
Absolutely.
But you can't back it up.
We provide everything that exists.
That is a claim, not supporting evidence.
I have defined God as the eternal creator
that willed all things into existence 13.8 billion years ago.
I can define anything I like. That doesn't mean it actually means
anything.
But I use scientific evidence and sound reasoning.
I have never seen you present anything that is actual evidence that
could convince anyone of anything.
I quote what's available.
Quotation is not evidence.
Then what is it?
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
You have nothing.
What do I need?
Heeheehee.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
I won't lie like you do and make up something.
How do I know? You never provide supporting evidence.
If you lack supporting evidence yourself, you're in the wrong discussion
Another meaningless response made in an attempt to divert attention
from the actual issue. Which you once again have ignored.
Where is your supporting evidence?
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Just what beliefs would that be? I would remind you that no evidence
is needed for either beliefs or opinions.
They you're dumb and can't participate. But we all knew this about you anyway.
Post by Attila
Only those things asserted
as being factual or truthful - and that is how you speak of your god
and your silly superstition.
Once the line is crossed they are no longer beliefs but what you
present as statements of fact.
You lose as you're saying that if I said santa had a black coal beard, you
wouldn't know the error.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Once again Captain Misdirection is attempting to change the
discussion.
Then why are you here?
To point out your dishonesty.
You're failing.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
This is a discussion area, and you are very lacking in
knowledge.
Is it an area for discussion of myths? I was under the impression you
were presenting what you say are facts.
Evidence.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
The issue is "The burden of proof is on *you* to provide evidence that
your claim is true" and as usual you are ready to discuss anything
else as long as it is something else.
No, on you.
Major Misdirection is here again. You are still avoiding any
supporting evidence for what you state are facts.
It takes 2 to have a discussion with facts. So far you can't.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
But you lack the evidence to know truth.
Truth is supported by evidence.
Yep, and you offer nothing.
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
If what you say has any truth there must be supporting evidence to
that effect. Since you are asserting it as truth it is your
responsibility to prove this evidence.
Where is your supporting evidence for your position?
What position would that be, Major Misdirection? Do you think you can
avoid supporting what you say by lying about me?
You try that trick often enough - with no success. But you keep
trying.
You offer nothing to believe.
the dukester, American-American
Attila
2020-05-30 20:02:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Prove it, in-your-face moron.
You atheists are all alike. "Prove it, prove it, prove it!"
Then when somebody proves it, you then resort
to hollering, "Liar!"
Grow up.
You have yet to "prove" anything. Nor have you even provided the least shred of *evidence* for your position.
And like Homer said, you atheists don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to
supporting your own proclamations.
*You* and your fellow-travelers are the ones making the positive claim that a god exists.
Absolutely.
But you can't back it up.
We provide everything that exists.
That is a claim, not supporting evidence.
I have defined God as the eternal creator
that willed all things into existence 13.8 billion years ago.
I can define anything I like. That doesn't mean it actually means
anything.
But I use scientific evidence and sound reasoning.
I have never seen you present anything that is actual evidence that
could convince anyone of anything.
I quote what's available.
Quotation is not evidence.
Then what is it?
A restatement of what has been previously said. It could easily be
the restatement of a lie.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
You have nothing.
What do I need?
Heeheehee.
Can't you answer?
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
I won't lie like you do and make up something.
How do I know? You never provide supporting evidence.
If you lack supporting evidence yourself, you're in the wrong discussion
Another meaningless response made in an attempt to divert attention
from the actual issue. Which you once again have ignored.
Where is your supporting evidence?
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Just what beliefs would that be? I would remind you that no evidence
is needed for either beliefs or opinions.
They you're dumb and can't participate. But we all knew this about you anyway.
Once again Major Misdirection refuses to respond to a question after
making an accusation. What a liar you are.

Exactly where is the requirement that I must have beliefs or post tem
here?

Most of those who post their beliefs insist they are not beliefs but
facts. You do this constantly.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Only those things asserted
as being factual or truthful - and that is how you speak of your god
and your silly superstition.
Once the line is crossed they are no longer beliefs but what you
present as statements of fact.
You lose as you're saying that if I said santa had a black coal beard, you
wouldn't know the error.
I would say you need to show supporting evidence Santa ever existed
first. Then I would request you evidence that he had a beard and what
color it is/was.

Of course this is just another effort by Major Misdirection to alter
the issue.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Once again Captain Misdirection is attempting to change the
discussion.
Then why are you here?
To point out your dishonesty.
You're failing.
Not in my opinion.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
This is a discussion area, and you are very lacking in
knowledge.
Is it an area for discussion of myths? I was under the impression you
were presenting what you say are facts.
Evidence.
Evidence? Just "evidence" by itself without indicating evidence of
what?
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
The issue is "The burden of proof is on *you* to provide evidence that
your claim is true" and as usual you are ready to discuss anything
else as long as it is something else.
No, on you.
Major Misdirection is here again. You are still avoiding any
supporting evidence for what you state are facts.
It takes 2 to have a discussion with facts. So far you can't.
First they must agree as to the actual facts and I say you have none
that you can support with unambiguous, unrelated and verifiable
evidence.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
But you lack the evidence to know truth.
Truth is supported by evidence.
Yep, and you offer nothing.
Major Misdirection is at it again. I do not post anything I assert as
being fact. I have enough to do just pointing out how you constantly
assert positions and what you say are facts without ever including any
supporting evidence.

No, I do not offer anything. I am not here to offer anything and you
know it but that doesn't stop you from accusing me of not supporting
things I have never said.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Attila
If what you say has any truth there must be supporting evidence to
that effect. Since you are asserting it as truth it is your
responsibility to prove this evidence.
Where is your supporting evidence for your position?
What position would that be, Major Misdirection? Do you think you can
avoid supporting what you say by lying about me?
You try that trick often enough - with no success. But you keep
trying.
What trick? Exactly where have I stated my position on anything? Give
a link to my exact statement. Your continuing failure to do so every
time you say this only emphasizes your continuing lies and evasions.
Post by d***@cox.net
You offer nothing to believe.
Now that is an interesting comment. It comes immediately after you
accuse me of not providing supporting evidence for my position and now
you say I have no position to offer.

Which is it? You appear to be trying to have it both ways.

Why am I not surprised?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Mitchell Holman
2020-05-29 17:42:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@cox.net
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.

We have been waiting, you know...........




"Of course evolution is addressed in the bible."
Duke (Earl Weber) May 20, 2018
http://tinyurl.com/ybewfy2o
Patrick B
2020-05-29 19:33:53 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:42:41 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by d***@cox.net
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
Mitchell Holman
2020-05-30 01:44:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:42:41 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by d***@cox.net
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
Instead of deleting Duke's claim why don't
back it up? Heaven knows he can't...........






"Of course evolution is addressed in the bible."
Duke (Earl Weber) May 20, 2018
http://tinyurl.com/ybewfy2o
Patrick B
2020-05-30 11:15:43 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:44:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:42:41 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by d***@cox.net
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
Instead of deleting Duke's claim why don't
back it up? Heaven knows he can't...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
Attila
2020-05-30 12:54:18 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 30 May 2020 07:15:43 -0400, Patrick B <***@ERINET.COM>
in alt.atheism with message-id
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:44:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:42:41 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by d***@cox.net
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
Instead of deleting Duke's claim why don't
back it up? Heaven knows he can't...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
He insists his beliefs are factual and are reality, which crosses the
line from belief to assertion of fact.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Patrick B
2020-05-30 14:51:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Attila
in alt.atheism with message-id
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:44:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:42:41 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by d***@cox.net
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
Instead of deleting Duke's claim why don't
back it up? Heaven knows he can't...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
He insists his beliefs are factual and are reality, which crosses the
line from belief to assertion of fact.
IT IS A FACT THat he believes what he does.
Attila
2020-05-30 20:06:47 UTC
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On Sat, 30 May 2020 10:51:57 -0400, Patrick B <***@ERINET.COM>
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:44:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:42:41 -0500, Mitchell Holman
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Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
Instead of deleting Duke's claim why don't
back it up? Heaven knows he can't...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
He insists his beliefs are factual and are reality, which crosses the
line from belief to assertion of fact.
IT IS A FACT THat he believes what he does.
So what? A belief means nothing. Anyone is free to believe anything
they like just as they are free to have any opinion they like. No one
is held accountable for opinions or beliefs.

However when someone insists what they say is a fact that is
completely different. Your silly superstition may be a fact to you
(that is a belief or an opinion) but if you try to convince someone
else it is a fact you need to drag out the supporting evidence.
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Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

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formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Patrick B
2020-05-30 23:11:54 UTC
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:44:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:42:41 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by d***@cox.net
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
Instead of deleting Duke's claim why don't
back it up? Heaven knows he can't...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
He insists his beliefs are factual and are reality, which crosses the
line from belief to assertion of fact.
IT IS A FACT THat he believes what he does.
So what? A belief means nothing. Anyone is free to believe anything
they like just as they are free to have any opinion they like.
Then stop whining about it.
Mitchell Holman
2020-05-30 12:54:19 UTC
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:44:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:42:41 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by d***@cox.net
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
Instead of deleting Duke's claim why don't
back it up? Heaven knows he can't...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
He didn't state a belief, he stated a fact.

That only he seems to know about.

Here it is again, so you can delete it again.



"Of course evolution is addressed in the bible."
Duke (Earl Weber) May 20, 2018
http://tinyurl.com/ybewfy2o
Timothy Sutter
2020-05-30 14:22:02 UTC
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:44:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:42:41 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by d***@cox.net
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
Instead of deleting Duke's claim why don't
back it up? Heaven knows he can't...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
He didn't state a belief, he stated a fact.
That only he seems to know about.
Here it is again, so you can delete it again.
"Of course evolution is addressed in the bible."
Duke (Earl Weber) May 20, 2018
http://tinyurl.com/ybewfy2o
the bible addresses a downward trend from a good beginning

to a corrupted world with 'unclean' creatures on it.


the bible does not address the notion that horses
dogs cats elephants and giraffes were bred from rodents,
and no real hard evidence exists to support this story.


'dog breeding' genetics is easily visible
a doberman pincer may be bred from a wolf
this is ordering and re-ordering of expressed traits [phenotype]
while the general [genotype] remains much the same.


rodent===>all mammals X not clearly visible


cannot simply reshuffle rodent deck to get elephant

must insert new cards in to deck


not in evidence


make up story, imagine this to be case...
d***@cox.net
2020-05-30 16:11:55 UTC
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:42:41 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by d***@cox.net
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
Instead of deleting Duke's claim why don't
back it up? Heaven knows he can't...........
Sure I can.
Post by Mitchell Holman
"Of course evolution is addressed in the bible."
Duke (Earl Weber) May 20, 2018
http://tinyurl.com/ybewfy2o
the dukester, American-American
Mitchell Holman
2020-05-30 17:51:20 UTC
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 20:44:31 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Patrick B
On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:42:41 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by d***@cox.net
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Why do you need evidence for what someone else believes?
Instead of deleting Duke's claim why don't
back it up? Heaven knows he can't...........
Sure I can.
Then let's see you do it.
Post by Patrick B
Post by Mitchell Holman
"Of course evolution is addressed in the bible."
Duke (Earl Weber) May 20, 2018
http://tinyurl.com/ybewfy2o
the dukester, American-American
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2020-05-30 16:11:23 UTC
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Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Scripture. The Catholic Church, The Vatican. The bible.
the dukester, American-American
Mitchell Holman
2020-05-30 17:50:03 UTC
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:42:41 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by d***@cox.net
Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Scripture. The Catholic Church, The Vatican. The bible.
None of the above made your bizarre
claim, you did.

Care to back it up?

And no, "the proof is in the Bible
somewhere, look it up yourself" doesn't
work.






"Of course evolution is addressed in the bible."
Duke (Earl Weber) May 20, 2018
http://tinyurl.com/ybewfy2o
Attila
2020-05-30 20:13:38 UTC
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Where is your supporting evidence for your beliefs.
Good question.
We have been waiting, you know...........
Scripture.
An unverified source.

The Catholic Church, The Vatican.

Two organizations with vested interest in preserving the power held by
the organizations and in preventing any damage to them at any cost.

I have often wondered if someone showed up at the Vatican with
absolutely inconvertible evidence proving beyond all doubt no one
named Jesus ever existed and there is not and never has been any god
exactly what would happen?
Post by d***@cox.net
The bible.
Another unverified source.

How can anyone know any unverified source is not simply a group of
myths and lies containing nothing remotely true?
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the dukester, American-American
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
SkyEyes
2020-05-28 23:31:35 UTC
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I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to
present logical, objective, verifiable evidence (you know,
*facts* and *data*) that any god exists. Can you do that?
DNA
DNA, far from being of divine origin, is just a long string of
nucleotides composed of hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, carbon and
nitrogen (listed in no particular order). It's just chemistry. To
form DNA, these nucleotides link up with sugars, phosphates, and
nitrogen bases (adenine [A], thymine [T], guanine [G] and cytosine
[C]). DNA is likely to have developed from RNA, which has been
observed forming in clay hydrogels in and around ocean vents and
which is unstable. It's a simple step to go from one
self-replicating thing (RNA) to a more complex one (DNA) because
neither substance replicates perfectly. When RNA and DNA replicate,
the nitrogen bases (A, T, G, and C) which form genes which line up
into chromosomes can and frequently do get scrambled, or fall out of
line, or get halved or doubled. These happenstances cause the
proteins that make up cells that make up organs to be produced and
folded differently, which is what causes changes in the organism.
The first protocells did not need complicated genetic information to
function; that developed over vast periods of time.
What you fail to understand, Andrew, is that there is no
hard-and-fast line between "living" and "non-living" things.
The living creates order by defying the second law of thermodynamics.
Really? Please quote the second law of thermodynamics:

*
*
*
*
*
*
The non-living can't create order by obeying the second law of
thermodynamics. That is a clear dividing line separating the living and
non-living.
Except that, as I've shown, there *is* no "clear dividing line* between life and non-life. You can insist that there is all you like, but unless and until you provide links/cites to support your assertions, that's all they are.
The DNA is clearly a structure of order.
It's clearly the result of *chemistry*, is what it is.
Since order can never be
created by obeying the second law, order can never appear automatically
by itself. Therefore, DNA must be the creation of God.
Please provide links/cites to some scientific study supporting your contention. Otherwise, it's just you asserting that something is factual.

And I'll leave my description of things that are neither living nor non-living right here where you can refute it by providing cites/links to actual scientific studies.
Off the
top of my head I can think of several things that meet some of the
qualifications of "life" (the capacity for growth, reproduction,
functional activity, and continual change preceding death) but not
all of them: crystals, for one, and viruses certainly. Fire is
another. Philosophers and biologists have been arguing for decades
whether or not crystals are alive
(https://www.wired.com/2013/01/living-crystal/); same thing for
viruses
(https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-viruses-alive-2004/).
Until and unless you recognize this gray area, Andrew, your
challenges will be met with ridicule. Go find an online course and
study this stuff - it's out there for anyone to find. You don't need
to remain ignorant.
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
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aaa
2020-05-29 15:29:30 UTC
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I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls,
to present logical, objective, verifiable evidence (you
know, *facts* and *data*) that any god exists. Can you do
that?
DNA
DNA, far from being of divine origin, is just a long string of
nucleotides composed of hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, carbon and
nitrogen (listed in no particular order). It's just chemistry.
To form DNA, these nucleotides link up with sugars, phosphates,
and nitrogen bases (adenine [A], thymine [T], guanine [G] and
cytosine [C]). DNA is likely to have developed from RNA, which
has been observed forming in clay hydrogels in and around ocean
vents and which is unstable. It's a simple step to go from one
self-replicating thing (RNA) to a more complex one (DNA) because
neither substance replicates perfectly. When RNA and DNA
replicate, the nitrogen bases (A, T, G, and C) which form genes
which line up into chromosomes can and frequently do get
scrambled, or fall out of line, or get halved or doubled. These
happenstances cause the proteins that make up cells that make up
organs to be produced and folded differently, which is what
causes changes in the organism. The first protocells did not need
complicated genetic information to function; that developed over
vast periods of time.
What you fail to understand, Andrew, is that there is no
hard-and-fast line between "living" and "non-living" things.
The living creates order by defying the second law of
thermodynamics.
According to the second law, order is established by preserving the free
energy in the environment. In life, such process is accomplished by
preserving the sunlight energy into sugar and protein. It is reversing
the flow of energy by turning the free energy back into fuel. It defies
the second law of thermodynamics. Therefore, the living creates the
orderly structure like sugar and protein by defying the second law of
thermodynamics.
* * * * * *
The non-living can't create order by obeying the second law of
thermodynamics. That is a clear dividing line separating the living
and non-living.
Except that, as I've shown, there *is* no "clear dividing line*
between life and non-life. You can insist that there is all you
like, but unless and until you provide links/cites to support your
assertions, that's all they are.
In life, there is an accumulation of energy against the normal flow of
energy. In non-life, there is no such energy accumulation and
preservation against the natural physical law possible. That's the
difference between life and non-life scientifically speaking.
The DNA is clearly a structure of order.
It's clearly the result of *chemistry*, is what it is.
Chemistry must follow the second law too.
Since order can never be created by obeying the second law, order
can never appear automatically by itself. Therefore, DNA must be
the creation of God.
Please provide links/cites to some scientific study supporting your
contention. Otherwise, it's just you asserting that something is
factual.
What I said is just simple logic. There is nothing difficult to understand.
And I'll leave my description of things that are neither living nor
non-living right here where you can refute it by providing
cites/links to actual scientific studies.
Off the
top of my head I can think of several things that meet some of
the qualifications of "life" (the capacity for growth,
reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding
death) but not all of them: crystals, for one, and viruses
certainly. Fire is another. Philosophers and biologists have
been arguing for decades whether or not crystals are alive
(https://www.wired.com/2013/01/living-crystal/); same thing for
viruses
(https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-viruses-alive-2004/).
Until and unless you recognize this gray area, Andrew, your
challenges will be met with ridicule. Go find an online course
and study this stuff - it's out there for anyone to find. You
don't need to remain ignorant.
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34 BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
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