Discussion:
Because God cares
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Attila
2020-05-27 18:47:16 UTC
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On Sat, 23 May 2020 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7, "Sir Hømer Hall,
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the EU
invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell, you get to
choose. Try to choose wisely.
Do you have anything other than threats to contribute?
In feeble minds Pascal's Wager never stales.
I was waiting for someone to come up with Pascal's Wager. Apparently
he doesn't know that it's been refuted to death. He just better hope
that he's chosen the right sky fairy to follow, or the
unchosen-but-actual one is liable to be really pissed at him.
Pascal's wager doesn't apply since those in the book of life are chosen
by God instead.
According to you but without supporting evidence.
What I said is a simple fact. It is the evidence.
Not as far as I am concerned.
Blind denial. You are required to verify the fact at the very least.
I am not required to do anything. You are the one trying to convince
me. Remember?
It's a two way street. If I provide the fact, you have to verify the
fact. That is your responsibility to ensure a meaningful debate.
You are wrong. It is always the responsibility of the person
providing the fact to also provide the supporting evidence.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate.
Too bad, I'm not interested in your fact, and I have no argument against
your fact. Since you ask for the evidence, you are required to verify
the evidence.
Now provide evidence this is true.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.

Your simply saying something is a fact does not make it so.
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Attila
2020-05-27 18:48:59 UTC
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I'm here preaching the good news so that you may wake up to God who did
choose you before you were even born. Only a fool would reject God and
the love of God to condemn oneself to the hell of eternal regret and
self-condemnation.
You are assuming such a choice actually exists. Why is that?
There is no assumption. It's an actual realization.
It may be actual but it is an assumption as far as I am concerned. One
without supporting evidence.
That's still just your blind denial.
Why do you think any god was involved with my life at any point?
Because the nature of life is spiritual, and all spiritual things come
from the spiritual God.
So you say. How do I know it isn't a lie since you offer no
supporting evidence?
Supporting evidence please.
Life is the evidence. All you need is to understand life spiritually and
philosophically.
Psychobabble.
--
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Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

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aaa
2020-05-28 00:28:18 UTC
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Post by Attila
I'm here preaching the good news so that you may wake up to God who did
choose you before you were even born. Only a fool would reject God and
the love of God to condemn oneself to the hell of eternal regret and
self-condemnation.
You are assuming such a choice actually exists. Why is that?
There is no assumption. It's an actual realization.
It may be actual but it is an assumption as far as I am concerned. One
without supporting evidence.
That's still just your blind denial.
Why do you think any god was involved with my life at any point?
Because the nature of life is spiritual, and all spiritual things come
from the spiritual God.
So you say. How do I know it isn't a lie since you offer no
supporting evidence?
That's why you should follow the teaching of Jesus to discover
everything for yourself.
Post by Attila
Supporting evidence please.
Life is the evidence. All you need is to understand life spiritually and
philosophically.
Psychobabble.
No, simple philosophy.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-28 01:07:10 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by Attila
I'm here preaching the good news so that you may wake up to God who did
choose you before you were even born. Only a fool would reject God and
the love of God to condemn oneself to the hell of eternal regret and
self-condemnation.
You are assuming such a choice actually exists. Why is that?
There is no assumption. It's an actual realization.
It may be actual but it is an assumption as far as I am concerned. One
without supporting evidence.
That's still just your blind denial.
Why do you think any god was involved with my life at any point?
Because the nature of life is spiritual, and all spiritual things come
from the spiritual God.
So you say. How do I know it isn't a lie since you offer no
supporting evidence?
That's why you should follow the teaching of Jesus to discover
everything for yourself.
Why should I pay any attention to what someone claims someone else
said when there seems to be no supporting evidence for any of this?
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Supporting evidence please.
Life is the evidence. All you need is to understand life spiritually and
philosophically.
Psychobabble.
No, simple philosophy.
Psychobabble.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Attila
2020-05-27 18:54:41 UTC
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Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
Where is the evidence supporting that?
Where is the evidence supporting the existence of such a person?
It's all recorded in history books and in the best selling
book in the world - The Bible.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence, as CH said.
However, the truth of the Bible is the evidence.
You are assuming it contains truth. Why is that? How do you know it
isn't all lies?
It's not an assumption. It's assured conviction because it's the Word of
God.
That is the assumption. Where is your supporting evidence?
The evidence is found in following the Word of God in real life. What's
found in real life can never be an assumption.
That is not evidence. It is an assumption and is ambiguous.
Life is never an assumption. There is nothing ambiguous in life.
I am talking about evidence, not life.
Life is the evidence.
To you perhaps but not to anyone else. Does that tell you anything
other than everybody but you must be wrong?
No one can deny life.
Irrelevant. The existence of life does not automatically prove
anything about any god.
God is only found and realized in real life.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
You are still wrong.
For something as profound as Jesus's alleged life, there
is surprisingly little independent mention. And before
you go there, Josephus is highly suspect.
There is more than one way to prove a person's existence. Einstein
doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will forever be the
evidence of his existence.
Which theory would that be? There are several possibilities, some of
which have been proven wrong. Plus the obvious - the existence of a
theory is not proof of the existence of a particular person unless it
can be proven that person developed that theory.
What are you talking about? Are you going to deny that Einstein
developed his own theory?
He developed more than one theory and just because his name is on a
theory is not evidence that he developed that theory. Or ever
existed. Independent evidence is required.
Everybody knows what Einstein's theory is.
He had two - Special Relativity and General Relativity. He received
his Nobel Prize "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and
especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."
Since they are all his theories, what's the difference? Did he steal one
of them from someone else?
No, but you talk as if there is only one thing.
I don't want to be specific. What's wrong with that?
Of course you don't. But you did talk about Einstein and "his theory"
when there is more than one theory and none of them earned the Nobel
Prize.
Why is that important? It has nothing to do with my point.
Yes it does. It shows your statement " Einstein doesn't need to be
proven historically. His theory will forever be the evidence of his
existence." is in error. He had at least two theories and his best
known accomplishment was not based on either of them.
One theory is enough. There is no need to be specific. So it doesn't matter.
If a theory exists that only supports it's existence. It had nothing
to do with who developed it or whether it is valid or not.
The theory is the evidence.
Not by itself it isn't.
Blind denial. A scientific theory is always the evidence of the scientist.
A scientist. Additional evidence is required to identify the
scientist involved.
If there is no scientist involved, there can't be a scientific theory in
the first place.
But which scientist? That is the question.
No. The question is about the existence of the scientist. It's not about
the name of the scientist.
" Einstein doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will
forever be the evidence of his existence."
That's right.
That is what you said and that is what you need to support with
evidence.
Someone invented the wheel. Who?
The wheel is the evidence of its maker. Who is the maker is entirely
another question.
That was exactly the question. Who invented the wheel?
The question is about his existence. It's not about his name. If you
want argue about the name, you have already acknowledged the existence
of the person.
Actually historians think no one person invented the wheel but it
developed in several unrelated cultures.

Therefore the existence of the wheel does not automatically mean
someone invented it.

To simply say something was done and therefore someone must have done
it is about as meaningless a comment as it is possible to make.
In the exact same way, the spiritual and
philosophical teaching of Jesus is already the evidence of the
historical Jesus.
Nope. Not even close for many reasons. Vagueness and ambiguity being
the main culprits.
The only vagueness is due to your blind denial of the teaching of Jesus.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person ever existed.
Blind denial already. That may be a new record.
You can't beat your own record. It's still nothing but your blind denial.
It didn't take you long to reach that standard evasion.
I'm only pointing out the fact.
The only fact here is that you always end up in evasion.
That is still your blind denial of the fact.
More evasion.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-28 00:25:22 UTC
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Post by Attila
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
Where is the evidence supporting that?
Where is the evidence supporting the existence of such a person?
It's all recorded in history books and in the best selling
book in the world - The Bible.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence, as CH said.
However, the truth of the Bible is the evidence.
You are assuming it contains truth. Why is that? How do you know it
isn't all lies?
It's not an assumption. It's assured conviction because it's the Word of
God.
That is the assumption. Where is your supporting evidence?
The evidence is found in following the Word of God in real life. What's
found in real life can never be an assumption.
That is not evidence. It is an assumption and is ambiguous.
Life is never an assumption. There is nothing ambiguous in life.
I am talking about evidence, not life.
Life is the evidence.
To you perhaps but not to anyone else. Does that tell you anything
other than everybody but you must be wrong?
No one can deny life.
Irrelevant. The existence of life does not automatically prove
anything about any god.
God is only found and realized in real life.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God who is spiritual instead of physical.
Post by Attila
You are still wrong.
For something as profound as Jesus's alleged life, there
is surprisingly little independent mention. And before
you go there, Josephus is highly suspect.
There is more than one way to prove a person's existence. Einstein
doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will forever be the
evidence of his existence.
Which theory would that be? There are several possibilities, some of
which have been proven wrong. Plus the obvious - the existence of a
theory is not proof of the existence of a particular person unless it
can be proven that person developed that theory.
What are you talking about? Are you going to deny that Einstein
developed his own theory?
He developed more than one theory and just because his name is on a
theory is not evidence that he developed that theory. Or ever
existed. Independent evidence is required.
Everybody knows what Einstein's theory is.
He had two - Special Relativity and General Relativity. He received
his Nobel Prize "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and
especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."
Since they are all his theories, what's the difference? Did he steal one
of them from someone else?
No, but you talk as if there is only one thing.
I don't want to be specific. What's wrong with that?
Of course you don't. But you did talk about Einstein and "his theory"
when there is more than one theory and none of them earned the Nobel
Prize.
Why is that important? It has nothing to do with my point.
Yes it does. It shows your statement " Einstein doesn't need to be
proven historically. His theory will forever be the evidence of his
existence." is in error. He had at least two theories and his best
known accomplishment was not based on either of them.
One theory is enough. There is no need to be specific. So it doesn't matter.
If a theory exists that only supports it's existence. It had nothing
to do with who developed it or whether it is valid or not.
The theory can't appear by magic. It has to be developed by the scientist.
Post by Attila
The theory is the evidence.
Not by itself it isn't.
Blind denial. A scientific theory is always the evidence of the scientist.
A scientist. Additional evidence is required to identify the
scientist involved.
If there is no scientist involved, there can't be a scientific theory in
the first place.
But which scientist? That is the question.
No. The question is about the existence of the scientist. It's not about
the name of the scientist.
" Einstein doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will
forever be the evidence of his existence."
That's right.
That is what you said and that is what you need to support with
evidence.
It's just simple logic. If you can refute the logic, you have to accept
the conclusion.
Post by Attila
Someone invented the wheel. Who?
The wheel is the evidence of its maker. Who is the maker is entirely
another question.
That was exactly the question. Who invented the wheel?
The question is about his existence. It's not about his name. If you
want argue about the name, you have already acknowledged the existence
of the person.
Actually historians think no one person invented the wheel but it
developed in several unrelated cultures.
Pure speculation. In ancient time, it is not possible to pass the same
story across different cultures, regions, and times. If it's indeed the
same story, it can only be the work of God.
Post by Attila
Therefore the existence of the wheel does not automatically mean
someone invented it.
False. The invention requires the inventor.
Post by Attila
To simply say something was done and therefore someone must have done
it is about as meaningless a comment as it is possible to make
The philosophy of Jesus is not an ordinary thing. It's based on the real
life of Jesus. It can't be created by anyone else.
Post by Attila
In the exact same way, the spiritual and
philosophical teaching of Jesus is already the evidence of the
historical Jesus.
Nope. Not even close for many reasons. Vagueness and ambiguity being
the main culprits.
The only vagueness is due to your blind denial of the teaching of Jesus.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person ever existed.
Blind denial already. That may be a new record.
You can't beat your own record. It's still nothing but your blind denial.
It didn't take you long to reach that standard evasion.
I'm only pointing out the fact.
The only fact here is that you always end up in evasion.
That is still your blind denial of the fact.
More evasion.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-28 01:20:30 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
Where is the evidence supporting that?
Where is the evidence supporting the existence of such a person?
It's all recorded in history books and in the best selling
book in the world - The Bible.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence, as CH said.
However, the truth of the Bible is the evidence.
You are assuming it contains truth. Why is that? How do you know it
isn't all lies?
It's not an assumption. It's assured conviction because it's the Word of
God.
That is the assumption. Where is your supporting evidence?
The evidence is found in following the Word of God in real life. What's
found in real life can never be an assumption.
That is not evidence. It is an assumption and is ambiguous.
Life is never an assumption. There is nothing ambiguous in life.
I am talking about evidence, not life.
Life is the evidence.
To you perhaps but not to anyone else. Does that tell you anything
other than everybody but you must be wrong?
No one can deny life.
Irrelevant. The existence of life does not automatically prove
anything about any god.
God is only found and realized in real life.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God who is spiritual instead of physical.
I have yet to see any evidence that supports anything spiritual being
real. Therefore I consider the subject imaginary.

That statement will not change - I have posted it for you at least a
dozen times.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
You are still wrong.
For something as profound as Jesus's alleged life, there
is surprisingly little independent mention. And before
you go there, Josephus is highly suspect.
There is more than one way to prove a person's existence. Einstein
doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will forever be the
evidence of his existence.
Which theory would that be? There are several possibilities, some of
which have been proven wrong. Plus the obvious - the existence of a
theory is not proof of the existence of a particular person unless it
can be proven that person developed that theory.
What are you talking about? Are you going to deny that Einstein
developed his own theory?
He developed more than one theory and just because his name is on a
theory is not evidence that he developed that theory. Or ever
existed. Independent evidence is required.
Everybody knows what Einstein's theory is.
He had two - Special Relativity and General Relativity. He received
his Nobel Prize "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and
especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."
Since they are all his theories, what's the difference? Did he steal one
of them from someone else?
No, but you talk as if there is only one thing.
I don't want to be specific. What's wrong with that?
Of course you don't. But you did talk about Einstein and "his theory"
when there is more than one theory and none of them earned the Nobel
Prize.
Why is that important? It has nothing to do with my point.
Yes it does. It shows your statement " Einstein doesn't need to be
proven historically. His theory will forever be the evidence of his
existence." is in error. He had at least two theories and his best
known accomplishment was not based on either of them.
One theory is enough. There is no need to be specific. So it doesn't matter.
If a theory exists that only supports it's existence. It had nothing
to do with who developed it or whether it is valid or not.
The theory can't appear by magic. It has to be developed by the scientist.
It probably was developed by someone but it does nothing to support
the existence of any particular someone without supporting evidence.

Anyone could have developed the theory.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
The theory is the evidence.
Not by itself it isn't.
Blind denial. A scientific theory is always the evidence of the scientist.
A scientist. Additional evidence is required to identify the
scientist involved.
If there is no scientist involved, there can't be a scientific theory in
the first place.
But which scientist? That is the question.
No. The question is about the existence of the scientist. It's not about
the name of the scientist.
" Einstein doesn't need to be proven historically. His theory will
forever be the evidence of his existence."
That's right.
That is what you said and that is what you need to support with
evidence.
It's just simple logic. If you can refute the logic, you have to accept
the conclusion.
I don't "have to accept" anything. Your so-called logic is
irrelevant.

Supporting evidence is required.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Someone invented the wheel. Who?
The wheel is the evidence of its maker. Who is the maker is entirely
another question.
That was exactly the question. Who invented the wheel?
The question is about his existence. It's not about his name. If you
want argue about the name, you have already acknowledged the existence
of the person.
Actually historians think no one person invented the wheel but it
developed in several unrelated cultures.
Pure speculation. In ancient time, it is not possible to pass the same
story across different cultures, regions, and times.
It isn't a story. It is the development of a tool. You may as well
say one person invented the hammer, the spear, or developed fire.
These were occurrences that happened to multiple isolated societies.
Post by aaa
If it's indeed the
same story, it can only be the work of God.
That is about as meaningful as ""Oh, look! A pile of poop! That
proves there is a god!"
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
Therefore the existence of the wheel does not automatically mean
someone invented it.
False. The invention requires the inventor.
Oh? Does that also go for the spear, the hammer, the bow, the wheel
and fire? All of which were developed by isolated groups that had no
possibility of ever coming into contact.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
To simply say something was done and therefore someone must have done
it is about as meaningless a comment as it is possible to make
The philosophy of Jesus is not an ordinary thing.
I have no idea what it is but I am sure someone else could have
written it.
Post by aaa
It's based on the real
life of Jesus.
How do I know you are not lying?
Post by aaa
It can't be created by anyone else.
See above.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
In the exact same way, the spiritual and
philosophical teaching of Jesus is already the evidence of the
historical Jesus.
Nope. Not even close for many reasons. Vagueness and ambiguity being
the main culprits.
The only vagueness is due to your blind denial of the teaching of Jesus.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
such person ever existed.
Blind denial already. That may be a new record.
You can't beat your own record. It's still nothing but your blind denial.
It didn't take you long to reach that standard evasion.
I'm only pointing out the fact.
The only fact here is that you always end up in evasion.
That is still your blind denial of the fact.
More evasion.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Attila
2020-05-27 18:55:05 UTC
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<...>
So heaven is up in the sky somewhere, possibly above the
firmament? Or in a different galaxy?
Probably in a different dimension. That makes the most sense.
When God said, "Let there be light" and released the Big
Bang, he obviously did so from a different dimension because
the dimension created by the Big Bang did not exist at creation
time.
==
Now you're saying God can't exist outside a dimension?
This is just getting better.
How many dimensions does a supreme being occupy?
Well superstring theory requires ten dimensions.
It's just that the extra ones are rolled up really really really really really
really really really tiny, which is why we don't detect them.
If that's where God is hiding, He's a really really really really really tiny God indeed.
Like Planck length tiny.
Oko
The string theory only predicts the parallel dimension. God's dimension
is the higher dimension. They are not the same thing. The higher
dimension has total control and access to the lower dimension. It's just
like the eagle(a three dimensional animal) has total control over the
snake(a two dimensional animal).
Why do you say a snake is two dimensional? Are you aware a snake can
strike upwards? Are you aware some snakes live in trees? Are you
aware some snakes can fly?
When comparing with the Eagle, it's quite two dimensional.
No, it isn't.
Blind denial.
Standard evasion.
Modern
warfare is largely determined by air superiority because it has the
higher dimensional advantage.
Actually air superiority never won a war. It takes boots on the
ground to actually finish the job. We had air superiority in Nam and
we still got our butts kicked.
You can't deny the advantage of air superiority. It doesn't have to win
the war, but it does win every battle.
Since God controls the ultimate higher
dimensional advantage, the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God.
Standard evasion.
Just pointing out the fact.
That you always en up in an evasion? We all knew that.
That is still your blind denial.
And so the evasions begin.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-28 00:07:06 UTC
Permalink
<...>
So heaven is up in the sky somewhere, possibly above the
firmament? Or in a different galaxy?
Probably in a different dimension. That makes the most sense.
When God said, "Let there be light" and released the Big
Bang, he obviously did so from a different dimension because
the dimension created by the Big Bang did not exist at creation
time.
==
Now you're saying God can't exist outside a dimension?
This is just getting better.
How many dimensions does a supreme being occupy?
Well superstring theory requires ten dimensions.
It's just that the extra ones are rolled up really really really really really
really really really tiny, which is why we don't detect them.
If that's where God is hiding, He's a really really really really really tiny God indeed.
Like Planck length tiny.
Oko
The string theory only predicts the parallel dimension. God's dimension
is the higher dimension. They are not the same thing. The higher
dimension has total control and access to the lower dimension. It's just
like the eagle(a three dimensional animal) has total control over the
snake(a two dimensional animal).
Why do you say a snake is two dimensional? Are you aware a snake can
strike upwards? Are you aware some snakes live in trees? Are you
aware some snakes can fly?
When comparing with the Eagle, it's quite two dimensional.
No, it isn't.
Blind denial.
Standard evasion.
Modern
warfare is largely determined by air superiority because it has the
higher dimensional advantage.
Actually air superiority never won a war. It takes boots on the
ground to actually finish the job. We had air superiority in Nam and
we still got our butts kicked.
You can't deny the advantage of air superiority. It doesn't have to win
the war, but it does win every battle.
Since God controls the ultimate higher
dimensional advantage, the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God.
Standard evasion.
Just pointing out the fact.
That you always en up in an evasion? We all knew that.
That is still your blind denial.
And so the evasions begin.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-28 01:23:21 UTC
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<...>
So heaven is up in the sky somewhere, possibly above the
firmament? Or in a different galaxy?
Probably in a different dimension. That makes the most sense.
When God said, "Let there be light" and released the Big
Bang, he obviously did so from a different dimension because
the dimension created by the Big Bang did not exist at creation
time.
==
Now you're saying God can't exist outside a dimension?
This is just getting better.
How many dimensions does a supreme being occupy?
Well superstring theory requires ten dimensions.
It's just that the extra ones are rolled up really really really really really
really really really tiny, which is why we don't detect them.
If that's where God is hiding, He's a really really really really really tiny God indeed.
Like Planck length tiny.
Oko
The string theory only predicts the parallel dimension. God's dimension
is the higher dimension. They are not the same thing. The higher
dimension has total control and access to the lower dimension. It's just
like the eagle(a three dimensional animal) has total control over the
snake(a two dimensional animal).
Why do you say a snake is two dimensional? Are you aware a snake can
strike upwards? Are you aware some snakes live in trees? Are you
aware some snakes can fly?
When comparing with the Eagle, it's quite two dimensional.
No, it isn't.
Blind denial.
Standard evasion.
Modern
warfare is largely determined by air superiority because it has the
higher dimensional advantage.
Actually air superiority never won a war. It takes boots on the
ground to actually finish the job. We had air superiority in Nam and
we still got our butts kicked.
You can't deny the advantage of air superiority. It doesn't have to win
the war, but it does win every battle.
Since God controls the ultimate higher
dimensional advantage, the victory of God over the entire universe is
always a certainty.
I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the existence of any
god.
That's because you are blind to God.
Standard evasion.
Just pointing out the fact.
That you always en up in an evasion? We all knew that.
That is still your blind denial.
And so the evasions begin.
More blind denial.
Still evading.
That's you. Stop evading now.
More evasion.
That's you. Stop evading now.
You are still evading the issue.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

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Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

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formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Attila
2020-05-27 18:55:56 UTC
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On Sat, 23 May 2020 10:20:20 -0400, "Sir Hømer Hall,  Esq."
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven.  He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
This also proves that Hell isn't down in the center of the
Earth somewhere. Because those who go to Hell also
first rise up into Earths atmosphere and then to the
place where they will be judged which is somewhere
above the Earth's atmosphere but not in Heaven.
The Beam Seat is neither on Earth or in Earth's
atmosphere. It's in a place somewhere below Heaven
and between Heaven and Hell.
But Jesus referenced the good wheat being stored and the wheat
hulls being
burned.
Too bad there is no valid evidence any such person ever lived or ever
said anything.
The philosophy of Jesus is the evidence. If you can't prove the
philosophy wrong, you can't deny the existence of Jesus.
No one needs to prove anything wrong.  If you say something is correct
it is up to you to prove it.
The teaching of Jesus speaks for itself.
I can deny the existence of anyone and anything that does not have
independent supporting evidence.
The teaching of Jesus is the independent supporting evidence.
Stupid, isn't he?
That's spook attila for you.
Says the admitted liar.
the dukester, American-American
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-27 19:09:01 UTC
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On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.

Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34 BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Oko tillo
2020-05-28 00:40:18 UTC
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Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
==
Post by aaa
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing side note, Brenda: aaa has informed us that he himself
deserves a "Nobel Price":

-- https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/A7TmlIdSXxE/NaKmQ2rKAgAJ
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus
She can't?

Looks like you've missed a few hundred of her posts.


Oko
Post by aaa
, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
Attila
2020-05-28 01:31:36 UTC
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Post by aaa
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:36:34 PM UTC-7, aaa wrote: <Snippage>
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come
from the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless
evidence of Jesus.
I hate to tell you, but that's called "circular reasoning," and it's
a logical fallacy. If you want to sell your philosophy in this
newsgroup, you're gonna have to try harder.
There is nothing circular. The teaching of Jesus is the evidence of
Jesus just as the theory of Einstein is the evidence of Einstein. It's
perfect logic.
Since you can't deny the theory of Einstein, you must give Einstein the
Nobel Price.
Amusing. It was a prize, not a price, and he did not get it for any
theory. He received it before he postulated his first theory.

"In 1921, he won the Nobel Prize for physics for his explanation of
the photoelectric effect."

https://www.biography.com/scientist/albert-einstein
Post by aaa
Since you can't deny the teaching of Jesus, you must accept Jesus as
your Lord.
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34 BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
aaa
2020-05-27 21:37:16 UTC
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Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
This also proves that Hell isn't down in the center of the
Earth somewhere. Because those who go to Hell also
first rise up into Earths atmosphere and then to the
place where they will be judged which is somewhere
above the Earth's atmosphere but not in Heaven.
The Beam Seat is neither on Earth or in Earth's
atmosphere. It's in a place somewhere below Heaven
and between Heaven and Hell.
But Jesus referenced the good wheat being stored and the wheat hulls being
burned.
Too bad there is no valid evidence any such person ever lived or ever
said anything.
The philosophy of Jesus is the evidence. If you can't prove the
philosophy wrong, you can't deny the existence of Jesus.
No one needs to prove anything wrong. If you say something is correct
it is up to you to prove it.
The teaching of Jesus speaks for itself.
I question whether such a person ever existed and whether or not his
so-called "teachings" are simply self serving myth and lies.
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come from
the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless evidence of Jesus.
Wrong. Where is specific evidence that anyone as described in your
bible ever existed?
I have just shown you the timeless evidence of Jesus written in the Bible.
I can deny the existence of anyone and anything that does not have
independent supporting evidence.
The teaching of Jesus is the independent supporting evidence.
It is evidence of nothing.
That's just your ignorance speaking.
You refuse to accept facts.
The only fact you have is called ignorance. Yes, I refuse to accept your
ignorance.
the dukester, American-American
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-28 01:27:07 UTC
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Post by aaa
Then Jesus didn't really go to heaven. He just rose up
into the earth.
Jesus rose up into the Earth's atmosphere first and after
that he rose up into Heaven.
This also proves that Hell isn't down in the center of the
Earth somewhere. Because those who go to Hell also
first rise up into Earths atmosphere and then to the
place where they will be judged which is somewhere
above the Earth's atmosphere but not in Heaven.
The Beam Seat is neither on Earth or in Earth's
atmosphere. It's in a place somewhere below Heaven
and between Heaven and Hell.
But Jesus referenced the good wheat being stored and the wheat hulls being
burned.
Too bad there is no valid evidence any such person ever lived or ever
said anything.
The philosophy of Jesus is the evidence. If you can't prove the
philosophy wrong, you can't deny the existence of Jesus.
No one needs to prove anything wrong. If you say something is correct
it is up to you to prove it.
The teaching of Jesus speaks for itself.
I question whether such a person ever existed and whether or not his
so-called "teachings" are simply self serving myth and lies.
The teaching of Jesus is a philosophy proven in real life by real
people. It's real knowledge. As real knowledge, it can only come from
the real person whose name is Jesus. It is the timeless evidence of Jesus.
Wrong. Where is specific evidence that anyone as described in your
bible ever existed?
I have just shown you the timeless evidence of Jesus written in the Bible.
Nothing in that source can be used since it is unverified. How do I
know it is not all lies?
Post by aaa
I can deny the existence of anyone and anything that does not have
independent supporting evidence.
The teaching of Jesus is the independent supporting evidence.
It is evidence of nothing.
That's just your ignorance speaking.
You refuse to accept facts.
The only fact you have is called ignorance. Yes, I refuse to accept your
ignorance.
I have stated facts. The ignorance ( if it exists) of someone else is
not yours to either accept or reject.
--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

There are four despicable occupations:
Pimps
Politicians
Priests
Reporters

National Socialist American Worker's Party
formally known as the Democrat Party.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
Peter Pan
2020-05-28 00:31:56 UTC
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1) Christians believe and we need no further proof
other than the Bible which is a history book and
the most read book in the world,
2) We know that free choice is proof of God. The
very laws of physics prove there IS no free
choice in the structure of the universe so
creatures having free choice is actually against
the laws of physics and necessarily has to be
the purview of God,
3) We believe that if one chooses to be an atheist
there is a price to pay. God tells us to at least try
to lead you to the light but God also tells us that
in many cases we will not succeed so give up
and try to enlighten someone else who might be
more amenable and saveable/salvageable
It's just wonderful and ducky that you believe all that.
Why do you expect anyone to believe you? Is it just your
honest face?
<snip delusional crowing>
Mine is a logic-based approach.
LOL. Everything you said above is about belief.
Your belief.
Your faith-based belief.

It's all religion, not logic.

Gerggle, you think like a girl. Your emotions pwn you.

Stop doing that eye-fluttering thing. I'm not buying it.
aaa
2020-05-28 00:32:26 UTC
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Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 May 2020 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7, "Sir Hømer Hall,
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the EU
invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell, you get to
choose. Try to choose wisely.
Do you have anything other than threats to contribute?
In feeble minds Pascal's Wager never stales.
I was waiting for someone to come up with Pascal's Wager. Apparently
he doesn't know that it's been refuted to death. He just better hope
that he's chosen the right sky fairy to follow, or the
unchosen-but-actual one is liable to be really pissed at him.
Pascal's wager doesn't apply since those in the book of life are chosen
by God instead.
According to you but without supporting evidence.
What I said is a simple fact. It is the evidence.
Not as far as I am concerned.
Blind denial. You are required to verify the fact at the very least.
I am not required to do anything. You are the one trying to convince
me. Remember?
It's a two way street. If I provide the fact, you have to verify the
fact. That is your responsibility to ensure a meaningful debate.
You are wrong. It is always the responsibility of the person
providing the fact to also provide the supporting evidence.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
There is no logic in what you said. It's not even circular.
Post by Attila
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate.
Too bad, I'm not interested in your fact, and I have no argument against
your fact. Since you ask for the evidence, you are required to verify
the evidence.
Now provide evidence this is true.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
Your simply saying something is a fact does not make it so.
Too bad you can't prove me wrong, so it will remain as fact.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Attila
2020-05-28 01:04:55 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by Attila
On Sat, 23 May 2020 16:02:24 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes
On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7, "Sir Hømer Hall,
<...>
I've opted out of the heaven/hell track, ever since the EU
invented the Right To Be Forgotten. God hates that.
You can't opt out of the afterlife. Heaven or Hell, you get to
choose. Try to choose wisely.
Do you have anything other than threats to contribute?
In feeble minds Pascal's Wager never stales.
I was waiting for someone to come up with Pascal's Wager. Apparently
he doesn't know that it's been refuted to death. He just better hope
that he's chosen the right sky fairy to follow, or the
unchosen-but-actual one is liable to be really pissed at him.
Pascal's wager doesn't apply since those in the book of life are chosen
by God instead.
According to you but without supporting evidence.
What I said is a simple fact. It is the evidence.
Not as far as I am concerned.
Blind denial. You are required to verify the fact at the very least.
I am not required to do anything. You are the one trying to convince
me. Remember?
It's a two way street. If I provide the fact, you have to verify the
fact. That is your responsibility to ensure a meaningful debate.
You are wrong. It is always the responsibility of the person
providing the fact to also provide the supporting evidence.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
There is no logic in what you said. It's not even circular.
It is the way facts work. Anyone can say anything is a fact but
actual facts have supporting evidence.
Post by aaa
Post by Attila
I state as a fact Wolf 359 has a species of heat resistant green
snails living on it's surface. There is a fact for you. If I provide
the fact, you have to verify the fact. That is your responsibility to
ensure a meaningful debate.
Too bad, I'm not interested in your fact, and I have no argument against
your fact. Since you ask for the evidence, you are required to verify
the evidence.
Now provide evidence this is true.
The fact is already the evidence.
A fact is never evidence until it is proven to actually be a fact
through supporting evidence.
Your simply saying something is a fact does not make it so.
Too bad you can't prove me wrong, so it will remain as fact.
I don't need to prove you wrong. I have stated what I say is a fact.
According to you it is now your burden to verify the fact.

I am waiting.
--
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Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Trump 2020

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Cloud Hobbit
2020-05-28 01:05:38 UTC
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I'm still waiting for you, or any of the other theist trolls, to present logical,
objective, verifiable evidence (you know, *facts* and *data*) that any god
exists. Can you do that?
DNA
DNA, far from being of divine origin, is just a long string of nucleotides composed of hydrogen,
oxygen, phosphorus, carbon and nitrogen (listed in no particular order). It's just chemistry.
No. It takes DNA to make DNA.
Provide a link to a research paper or precise claiming that. In fact, you need to provide links to *all* your claims. You have nothing to underpin your claims; all you do is repeat them endlessly with no supporting evidence. Why is that?
You don't find it in the natural chemical world.
But we find RNA in the wild, and, as I have been at pains to explain to you (with supporting cites), that (1) that RNA is plentiful and occurs naturally; (2) that it is unstable; (3) that it shares nucleotides and other chemical components with DNA; (4) that, given all this, it's a short step for RNA to evolve into DNA; and (5) that DNA changes frequently, especially during meiosis (cell division within reproductive cells). Were you even paying attention?
Furthermore, it is an~information~carrying molecule. The molecule without the
information has no use, purpose or function.
It's fucking chemistry, you idiot, it follows the laws of physics, it *has* no "purpose." And by the way, you've made another logical error: the Argument from Consequences.
The prime origin of this information could only have come from an intelligent
source.
And your evidence for this assertion is...what, exactly? All you do is repeat it, and you never provide any evidence to shore up your assertion. Cite, please.
Not from any chemical soup.
The "chemical soup" idea was discarded decades ago. Try to keep up. Proto-cells, including cell membranes, HAVE BEEN OBSERVED TO FORM IN MIXTURES OF CLAY AND SEAWATER. ("Hydrogels.") Do try reading for comprehension, for a change.
To form DNA, these nucleotides link up with sugars, phosphates, and
nitrogen bases (adenine [A], thymine [T], guanine [G] and cytosine [C]).
But it only happens in a living cell!
No, actually, it's been observed in the lab.
DNA is likely to have developed from RNA,
This is pure fantasy, And you obviously believe it. Why?
Because that's where the evidence points, dumbass. I provided you links to the current research, yet you don't provide any to shore up your argument. Why is that?
Jesus, but you're dim.
Brenda Nelson, A.A. #34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
Here's an idea I had not heard about.

https://phys.org/news/2015-03-chemists-riddle-life-began-earth.html
(Phys.org)—A team of chemists working at the MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, at Cambridge in the UK believes they have solved the mystery of how it was possible for life to begin on Earth over four billion years ago. In their paper published in the journal Nature Chemistry, the team describes how they were able to map reactions that produced two and three-carbon sugars, amino acids, ribonucleotides and glycerol—the material necessary for metabolism and for creating the building blocks of proteins and ribonucleic acid molecules and also for allowing for the creation of lipids that form cell membranes.

Scientists have debated for years the various possibilities that could have led to life evolving on Earth, and the arguments have only grown more heated in recent years as many have suggested that it did not happen here it all, instead, it was brought to us from comets or some other celestial body. Most of the recent debate has found scientists in one of three chicken-or-the-egg first camps: RNA world advocates, metabolism-first supporters and those who believe that cell membranes must have developed first.

The chemists with this new effort believe they have found a way to show that all three arguments are both right and wrong—they believe they have found a way to show that everything necessary for life to evolve could have done so from just hydrogen sulfide, hydrogen cyanide and ultraviolet light and that those building blocks could have all existed at the same time—in their paper, they report that using just those three basic ingredients they were able to produce more than 50 nucleic acids—precursors to DNA and RNA molecules. They note that early meteorites carried with them ingredients that would react with nitrogen already in the atmosphere, producing a lot of hydrogen cyanide. By dissolving in water, it could have very easily come into contact with hydrogen sulfide, while being exposed to ultraviolet light from the sun. And that, they claim, would have been all that was needed to get things going.

The findings by the team are sure to garner a great deal of interest in the scientific community and others will no doubt be testing and commenting on their findings. If what they claim passes muster, their work will likely be remembered as one of the great achievements of our time.
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