Post by Cloud Hobbit
http://home.mweb.co.za/it/iti04330/atheist1a.htm ON MORALITY
It's insane to take moral instructions from a god guilty of such horrendous crimes.
A do as I say not as I do god.
A perverted morality
Not only do followers believe their god to be perfectly good, but that the whole concept of morality is their god's idea. Followers believe their twisted god created morality.
They believe their god is the source of all morality, that morality is exclusively their gods' idea, that there can be no morality without this god.
This god determines all of morality.
This god is morally perfect, it is incapable of immoral behavior, even incapable of immoral thoughts, so murdering every human on this planet and sending people to infinite torture, merely for not worshipping it, is good and moral behavior.
They even go so far as to claim that morality is exclusive to the followers of this evil god. They claim a monopoly on morality and even go as far as trying to force this so called morality on the rest of humanity.
A morality that is more about worshipping their god than about not harming others.
The first four commandments of the Ten Commandments are not about not doing harm to others, but about worshipping the god.
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
1. You shall have no other gods before me.
This is a tactic admission that there are other gods. It doesn't deny the existence of other gods, it just commands you to make sure that old Yahweh is first on your worship list. Basically, the first commandment is about this gods' childish jealousy.
2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image.
more petty jealousy
3. You shall not take the name of the lord your god in vain.
I don't know what this means.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
How exactly are you supposed to keep a day 'holy'? Sprinkel it with holy water? Mainstream Christians don't take this commandment very seriously, even though it is number four on the list before thou shall not murder, yet Sunday shopping is prevalent throughout America.
None of the above have anything to do with real morality.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not murder.
Only number seven on the list.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness.
10. You shall not covet.
Covet? Seldom used today, not many actually know what it means.
Christians don't seem to be capable of telling right from wrong for themselves. They need to be told by their churches what is right and what is wrong.
Atheists have the intelligence to work it out themselves.
'Good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell.'
It seems that Christians have to be threatened with infinite punishment to get them to behave morally.
To behave morally out of fear of extreme punishment or for an eternal reward is fake morality.
Christian morality is based on fear and bribes.
Christian morality is a false morality.
'If people are good only because they fear punishment and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.' [Albert Einstein]
Atheist morality is real morality.
Real morality is when one acts morally without the promise of reward or the threat of punishment, out of common decency, simply because it is the rational, right thing to do. The 'golden rule' is rational, it's logical. Society runs smoother. Hypocrisy is irrational.
IRRATIONAL BELIEFS LEAD TO IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOR
Worshipping violent gods leads to violent behavior
Its no wonder that the worshipers of this twisted god are capable of crusades, jihad's, inquisitions, fatwas, slavery, genocide, annihilating entire indigenous populations and taking over their countries and continents, dropping napalm bombs on villages, spaying millions of acres of forest with agent orange, blowing up the World Trade Center, etc.
It stands to reason that the worshipers of the most violent god in mythology would commit the biggest crimes in reality.
The bible was/is used to justify the Holocaust, the Crusades, the Inquisition, Spanish conquistadors, colonialism, slavery, racism, female oppression, gay bashing, the murdering of pro-choice doctors etc.
�Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.� (Blaise Pascal)
The World Trade Center Suicide Bombing
A prime example of how irrational beliefs can result in irrational behavior.
The totally irrational belief in immortality, in an afterlife in paradise being serviced by 72 virgins with continually regrowing hymens, in a god that wants people to kill and die for it, led to the irrational acts of flying passenger jets into the World Trade Center.
MORE IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOUR
The greatest madness of all
The go forth and multiply doctrine of the Catholics.
Uncontrolled breeding in the middle of a population explosion is so totally irrational, it's actually insane.
Without a doubt, overpopulation is by far the most pressing problem facing this planet. The human carrying capacity of planet earth has been exceeded. We are in the middle of a population explosion crisis! It is the root cause of all the major problems facing us today. Mass poverty, mass starvation, deforestation, pollution, soil erosion, over farming, overfishing, species extinction, (in fact, overall general environmental destruction on an unprecedented scale), wars, genocide, diseases, slums, illiteracy, crime and even stress to name a few. If the current birthrate continues there will be a catastrophic environmental collapse in less than fifty years time. Our only hope is to drastically reduce the current birthrate and this can only be done through family planning and birth-control. To be anti-birth-control under the present circumstances is not just unbelievably stupid, its immoral.
A self-fulfilling prophecy
Catholics doctrine predicts a so-called �Armageddon� and their go forth and multiply doctrine is certainly helping that prophecy come true.
Opposition to safe sex campaigns in the middle of an aids epidemic. The result of the Catholic churches' opposition to safe sex campaigns is, of course, a higher aids rate and a higher birthrate. Aids then become a kind of Catholic population control! Starvation, disease, and war are direct results of overpopulation. Is this how the Catholics want to control overpopulation.
REFUTING SOME THEIST ARGUMENTS
THE FIRST CAUSE ARGUMENT
Goes something like this; everything that exists has had a cause so therefore this universe (the big bang) must of had a cause and that cause is God. But then by the same reasoning if a god exists it would require a cause so you end up with an endless succession of gods. Theists escape the infinite regression of this reasoning by simply decreeing that this cause is supernatural and defining the supernatural as not requiring a cause. So the first cause argument starts by concluding that everything has a cause and that is why a god is needed (as a cause for this universe), and then this reasoning is turned on its head by claiming that this god does not require a cause, that this god is the 'first cause'. So causality is used to reason that there must be a god and then it is simply discarded when the obvious conclusion is reached that that god would require a cause.
A self-refuting argument
If nothing caused God, then it is possible for something to exist without a cause, refuting the premise that "everything has a cause", which was the reason for the god in the first place.
Keep it natural
We can either have an endless succession of causes, or an uncaused cause; a first cause. If you are going to have an uncaused cause surely it is far more rational that it be the universe, whose existence is not in question, rather than the added complication of a hypothesized, unprovable, supernatural entity. (Occam's razor)
Rather than solving the causal problem, a god just adds a further complication.
Space, time and energy make for a for more rational uncaused cause than a supernatural, personal, conscious, omnipotent, omniscient, immaterial, invisible god.
Religious proponents often state that the universe is too structured, ordered and complex to have spontaneously come into existence, and it therefore must be the result of intelligent design by a thinking creator. This argument does not hold water because it would take an extremely complex and therefore structured and ordered being to conceive, plan and manufacture this universe, which would then of course require an even more complex being to design and construct it, and it too, would require a thinking creator and so on ad infinitum.
So if you use the reasoning that this universe is so complex, ordered and structured that an intelligent designer is required, then so would that designer require a designer.
In other words if you require a god to make the universe then using the same reasoning you would require a god to construct that god, and a god to construct that god and.....("it�s turtles all the way down")
Theists use a god or gods to explain the existence of complexity. A god is necessarily complex so they are using complexity to explain complexity, which is no explanation at all. Logically you need to start at simplicity.
An explanation where the cause of complexity is more complex than the complexity it seeks to explain is not an explanation at all.
The God of the flagella (A tail like appendage used by various bacteria and other single cell organisms to propel themselves in a fluid.)
So called scientists like M. Behe and the whole Discovery Institute are on a desperate mission to find some scientific evidence, any scientific evidence at all, of a god, preferable their god.
And after searching the entire scientific universe the best that they can come up with is the flagella. So they have finally found irrefutable proof of a intellegent designer and its the flagella. Yes, Behe has searched this entire universe far and wide and all he can come up with as proof for his omnipotent god is the flagella.
A confused designer
So a god designed and created man, then he created diseases to attack man, and then he designed an immune system to help protect man from the diseases he created. This immune system keeps malfunctioning causing allergies and other autoimmune diseases.
And this designer is supposed to be intelligent.
Bad Design, Stupid Design
Every time I malfunction.
Every time I spill something, drop something, stumble, fall, forget, miscalculate, make a wrong decision, get back ache, get sick, every time my brain, nervous system or body malfunctions, is proof that I was not designed by an intelligence.
Back problems, tooth decay, allergies, asthma, arthritis, epileptic fits, migraines, diabetes etc are all indications of bad design.
Someone who designs and manufactures a machine that constantly breaks down and malfunctions is certainly not super intelligent and omnipotence is out of the question.
The arrogance of intelligent design
Some people think that they are so super duper fantastic, so wonderful that they must have been designed by an infinitely intelligent, infinitely powerful god.
Well I know I certainly wasn't.
Every time I took a shit I would seriously doubt that.
A bigger picture
"99% of all species that ever existed have gone extinct. What kind of 'exquisite design' plan is that?! Where everything you make is a screw-up? If any human design engineer had a failure rate like that, you'd have one unemployable design engineer. Yet the supposed Lord of Creation, Master of Perfection, Creator of planets, stars and galaxies, got almost everything wrong."
An Evil Designer
Only an extremely malevolent designer would design diseases, or a system where diseases are possible.
The healing abilities of the human body are pathetic, for instance in brain and spinal injuries most of the end damage is a result of the bodies own response to the initial injury. This is more than bad design, its malicious design.
The fact that the spinal cord does not heal indicates a malevolent designer who wants paraplegics and quadriplegics.
An omnipotent god could have easily designed a spinal column and a brain that could heal itself after injury. The fact that they do not heal, means that the god specifically designed them that way. God wants paralyzed and brain damaged people. So to all those paraplegics, quadriplegics and brain damaged people out there, you have God to thank for your situation.
Cystic fibrosis, insanity, epileptic fits, Parkinson�s Disease, Multiple Sclerosis, Alzheimer's Disease, senility, paraplegia, quadriplegia, cancer, childhood cancer, autism, psoriasis, eczema, tooth decay, are all indications of an extremely malicious designer.
The existence of suffering indicates a malevolent designer.
Science is trying desperately to go against God's plan and find a cure for these awful diseases and injuries.
If this world full of suffering was designed by an Intelligent Designer that designer is also an Evil Designer.
Rather no god than a malicious god.
I much prefer the idea of coincidence, of indifferent physical forces and the impersonal selection mechanisms of evolution being responsible for life, than a malicious designer.
Accountability (The buck stops here)
If you postulate an intelligent designer because you think that life is way to complex to be the result of coincidence, then this creator must be responsible for absolutely all life, so it must have created the leprosy bacteria, Hiv, ebola, the cuckoo, the tape worm, etc.
What God wants, God gets.
The creator is responsible for his creation.
An omnipotent creator is responsible for absolutely everything in his creation, if there is anything in the creation that the creator is not totally responsible for, anything that happens that the creator did not plan, then that creator is not omnipotent.
Has this universe turned out exactly like God wanted or not? if not, then God is not omnipotent. If it has, then God is an evil sadist.