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The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let go.
Which included the body of his 1st born son. Plus the dates of it all.
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The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let go.
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Do doubts ever appear? If so, do you recognize them as coming from
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The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let go.
Which included the body of his 1st born son. Plus the dates of it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt

"Secular scholars broadly agree that the Exodus is not a historical
account..."
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The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let go.
Which included the body of his 1st born son. Plus the dates of it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt
"Secular scholars broadly agree that the Exodus is not a historical
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yes , they agree it's history
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http://youtu.be/mJP4pVjnWpk
The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let go.
Which included the body of his 1st born son. Plus the dates of it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt
"Secular scholars broadly agree that the Exodus is not a historical
account..."
yes , they agree it's history
Yes % Dawn Flood is as stupid as Idlehands, Dr.WTF and Rudy C !
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http://youtu.be/mJP4pVjnWpk
The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let go.
Which included the body of his 1st born son. Plus the dates of it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt
"Secular scholars broadly agree that the Exodus is not a historical
account..."
yes , they agree it's history
Yes % Dawn Flood is as stupid as Idlehands, Dr.WTF and Rudy C !
No one is as stupid as you are, binky.
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Lying PAedophile
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The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let go.
Which included the body of his 1st born son. Plus the dates of it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt
"Secular scholars broadly agree that the Exodus is not a historical
account..."
yes , they agree it's history
Yes % Dawn Flood is as stupid as Idlehands, Dr.WTF and Rudy C !
No one is as stupid as you are, binky.
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The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let go.
Which included the body of his 1st born son. Plus the dates of it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt
"Secular scholars broadly agree that the Exodus is not a historical
account..."
Even Jewish scholars no longer believe in Ye Exodus.





"Between 1967, when Israel captured
the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, and
1982, when it was returned in the
peace treaty, Israeli archaeologists
made dozens of expeditions throughout
the peninsula. Yet, not a single shred
of evidence for an ancient Israelite
presence was found. Great schools of
Jewish archaeology, given every motive
to find to the contrary, and given
every chance to find, in the Sinai and
the region, any evidence of the Exodus,
were unable to do so. Came back empty
handed and admitted that there was no
evidence for any Jewish life in Egypt
or in the Sinai desert."
http://tinyurl.com/hum5ba6
Robert
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Of course not, there was nothing discarded or left behind in their nomadic
wanderings. They did leave pillars behind, altars. Etc. There technically
were no “jews” in Egypt. There were Hebrew Israelites. And the people who
attacked them.

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Passover is the holiest event in
the Jewish religion and even their
own experts admit it is fiction.



Evidence that Demands a Verdict
04-01-2015

"I hate to disappoint people, but we have no
evidence of a mass migration of people from
one people coming into another country,"
University of Haifa archaeologist Norma
Franklin states in the film. "I don't believe
there was a single event that we can call the
Exodus."

Egyptologist Maarten Raven, curator of the Leiden
Museum in the Netherlands, also doubts the biblical
account. "This person Moses could not have seen
all this. He imagined it"

"I'm very much against chronicle revisionism," said
James K. Hoffmeier, Egyptologist and professor of
Old Testament and Near Eastern Archaeology at
Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield,
Illinois.

Egyptologist Mansour Boraik, director general of
Antiquities at Luxor, maintains "there's no
documented evidence about the Exodus."

And Tel Aviv University archaeologist Israel
Finkelstein concludes "[The] Exodus did not happen
in the way that it is described in the text."
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Egyptologist Mansour Boraik, director general of
Antiquities at Luxor, maintains "there's no
documented evidence about the Exodus."
This is most likely because the Egyptians and the Israelites both used
quantum computers to store their records of civilization. As this
technology has passed through Americans' fingers we do not as of yet
have the ability to read their notes.
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Robert
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Because like you they have abandoned God.
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Mitchell Holman
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Believing the results of science
is "abandoning God"?

Where does the Bible say that?
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Zoom out, Goofy.

You need broccoli; you are sick and dying.




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http://youtu.be/mJP4pVjnWpk
The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let go.
Which included the body of his 1st born son. Plus the dates of it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt
"Secular scholars broadly agree that the Exodus is not a historical
account...”
Of course, as well as the flood, Jesus, King David, the re-creation of the
earth etc. Did you bother to watch the video?

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Post by Robert
http://youtu.be/mJP4pVjnWpk
The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let
go. Which included the body of his 1st born son. Plus the dates
of it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt
"Secular scholars broadly agree that the Exodus is not a historical
account...”
Of course, as well as the flood, Jesus, King David, the re-creation
of the earth etc. Did you bother to watch the video?
Christers are such liars ...
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%
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we can repent so we're allowed
Terry Miles
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LOL. You're hardly a christer, dude.
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Dawn Flood
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Post by Robert
http://youtu.be/mJP4pVjnWpk
The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let go.
Which included the body of his 1st born son. Plus the dates of it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagues_of_Egypt
"Secular scholars broadly agree that the Exodus is not a historical
account...”
Of course, as well as the flood, Jesus, King David, the re-creation of the
earth etc. Did you bother to watch the video?
It's 26-minutes too long. Why can't you point to a scholarly article
instead??

Dawn
Robert
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Dawn Flood
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Joel P. Kramer is not a scholar, nor is his book "scholarly".

Dawn
Vincent Maycock
8 days ago
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The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let go.
Which included the body of his 1st born son. Plus the dates of it all.
There were several Pharaohs living at about the time of the Biblical
tale of the Exodus (at least according to a conservative reading of
the book -- to stay in step with archaeology, a more recent dating of
the supposed Exodus is required). They all ruled at the height of
Egypt's power. How do you square that with the Biblical story that
would've led to the economic collapse of the Egyptian civilization
brought on by the loss of two million workers, if it had actually
happened?
Robert
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The Israelites lived in the land of Egypt for over 400 years, Therefore there
were a lot of Pharaohs ruling at the same time. Joseph ruled the land of
Israel for his lifetime with the same authority as the Pharaoh. And if it
weren’t for Joseph Egypt would have been in ruins because of the seven year
famine.

The Israelites were enslaved and were also sheepherders and the like, so most
of what the land lost were workers. Why do you assume there would have been
an economic collapse?

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There's no archaeological evidence in support of that claim.
Post by Robert
Therefore there
were a lot of Pharaohs ruling at the same time.
But none of them are named in the Bible for some reason.
Post by Robert
Joseph ruled the land of
Israel for his lifetime with the same authority as the Pharaoh.
The list of known Pharaohs in ancient Egypt is detailed and extensive.
At no point is a Joseph mentioned as someone who ruled with "the same
authority as" a Pharaoh.
Post by Robert
And if it
weren’t for Joseph Egypt would have been in ruins because of the seven year
famine.
That's not history. The tale of Joseph is what we would now days call
a "novella," or short novel.
Post by Robert
The Israelites were enslaved and were also sheepherders and the like, so most
of what the land lost were workers. Why do you assume there would have been
an economic collapse?
Because a civilization that relied on slave labor to the extent that
the Egyptians supposedly did would be crippled if that source of labor
was suddenly removed.
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When did anyone ask if there was? A lack of evidence does not disprove
unless you search the entire Universe. I see you looked on Earth, what
about Ceti Reticuli?
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In science, ideas are required to have evidence in favor of them
before they can be accepted.
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A lack of evidence does not disprove
unless you search the entire Universe.
I see you looked on Earth, what
about Ceti Reticuli?
So is it your opinion that we should take seriously the idea that the
Jolly Green Giant lives on Ceti Reticuli, preparing frozen broccoli
for people on earth?

For me, I accept what appears to be true as my default hypothesis.
Stranger hypothesis don't win my support.
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For all we know, "Exodus" could have happened multiple times and that is
a general description of slaves escaping bondage.

It's kind of personal for me because Exodus is my favorite Bible book.
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Vincent Maycock
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Wherever there are slaves, there will be escaped slaves. It's part of
the evidence for that practice in history.
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It's kind of personal for me because Exodus is my favorite Bible book.
What do you like about it?
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From what I can tell it wasn't just a few escaped slaves, the Egyptians
abandoned enslaving the Israelites entirely, following the beginning of
the book where they were throwing Israelite babies to the crocodiles in
the Nile River in order to subjugate them.
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by .../v]andrak|≡...
It's kind of personal for me because Exodus is my favorite Bible book.
What do you like about it?
First, rule out Genesis, Leviticus and Deuteronomy. I didn't like
studying Genesis because some people are sitting around saying apple is
a pear and other deconstruction.

Deuteronomy and Leviticus seemed to be exercises in the obscene
(although I've since studied Deuteronomy and found it somewhat to my
liking, yet a bit of redundancy in it).

I haven't touched Numbers except to see the pun _Numb_ers. Perhaps that
is part of the definition of the word, but I learned the word "number"
long before the word "numb."

Psalms is fun but people are always pointing to some number as their
favorite.

Proverbs is enlightening.

Yet Exodus is an "American" story. Deep suffering, deep retribution,
someone has to get it in the end (all of Egypt is burning in the last
two chapters). I guess the only thing I don't like about it is that
some black youth probably like it even more than me. Plus, The Plagues
are the type of miracles/magic I can appreciate as opposed to partying
up the water into wine and the magic spell words "Lazarus why are you
sleeping" put into some doubt that Lazarus was even dead at all. I do
like the making the blind see. Another likable factor is that I was
taught the story from both sides. Pharaoh is not immediately made out
to be a villain, but is a multi-faceted antagonist with believable
desires. The crime he commits is hardening his heart after each of the
first 9 meetings with the Israelites. This is a crime that I can
appreciate, because I am a firm believer in "all sales Are final."

Right now I'm reading Ezekiel. It excites me because Ezekiel, while a
prophet, is not a simple prophet, God tells him to do great things with
the Kingdom as if he were very powerful. Ezekiel sees the corruption or
whatever the problem is and God tells him something outrageous like
gather up the army and overthrow the Ephesians. I don't want to spoil
it for you but the actual order is of that magnitude.
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You're the witness of war
You're the irony of justice
And the father of law
Been waiting for awhile to meet you
For the chance to shake your hand
To give you thanks for all the sufferin' you command
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So the story goes.
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the Egyptians
abandoned enslaving the Israelites entirely, following the beginning of
the book where they were throwing Israelite babies to the crocodiles in
the Nile River in order to subjugate them.
Male Hebrew babies. In the story, Pharaoh is afraid of Israelites
growing up to be military adversaries. The Nile, with its crocodiles
seems not to faze Moses' mother when she decides to hide him there.
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Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by .../v]andrak|≡...
It's kind of personal for me because Exodus is my favorite Bible book.
What do you like about it?
First, rule out Genesis,
A hangout for young earth creationists and other loons. It's very
mythological early and very legendary later.
Post by .../v]andrak|≡...
Leviticus and Deuteronomy.
Two books which no one would miss if they were to disappear from the
Bible.
Post by .../v]andrak|≡...
I didn't like
studying Genesis because some people are sitting around saying apple is
a pear and other deconstruction.
Of course you realize that there are no apples (or pears, for that
matter) found in the charmingly quaint tale of the loss of human
innocence in the supposed first garden.
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Deuteronomy and Leviticus seemed to be exercises in the obscene
(although I've since studied Deuteronomy and found it somewhat to my
liking, yet a bit of redundancy in it).
I haven't touched Numbers except to see the pun _Numb_ers. Perhaps that
is part of the definition of the word, but I learned the word "number"
long before the word "numb."
Psalms is fun but people are always pointing to some number as their
favorite.
I remember a book I read about post-traumatic stress syndrome in a
Vietnam veteran that mentioned the Psalms. He re-arranged (at least
in part) one of the favorites (the 23rd Psalm) as "...yea, though I
walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil,
for I'm the meanest motherfucker in the valley..."
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Proverbs is enlightening.
Pseudonymous and often common-sensical.
Post by .../v]andrak|≡...
Yet Exodus is an "American" story.
More literally, according to many modern Biblical scholars , a Jewish
exilic *Babylonian* story.
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That would be a neat trick, if it could be accomplished. But we're
left with stories that involve, for example, Jesus putting mud onto a
blind man's eyes to make him see.
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Another likable factor is that I was
taught the story from both sides.
You were once an Egyptian? LOL!
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Pharaoh is not immediately made out
to be a villain, but is a multi-faceted antagonist with believable
desires.
He verges on being a stock character, but is still a detail-created
round enough a character to make us suspect that the story is non
historical in origin.
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The crime he commits is hardening his heart
Or God hardened his heart. It's quite a primitive theology there.
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Yeah, it's been a long time since I've read Ezekiel. I thought some
of the angels and imagery are kind of gross. Like eyes covering
entities in the book, enough to remind one of snakes or other
creatures in their description.
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In rec.games.roguelike.nethack .../v]andrak|?... <***@gmail.com> wrote:

In comp.os.linux.misc Scott Doty <***@linuxguru.net> wrote:

You post has nothing to do with group "rec.games.roguelike.nethack".

Read this to learn how to post on USENET, pay particular
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ROFL! I remember the Jolly Green Giant ads!!

Dawn
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Yeah! "HO HO HO," laughs the giant in those ads.
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I used to visit my grandma in Le Seuer, Minnesota where Green Giant was
based for so many yrs 70s-80s.

Fuck I love their peas... and their Brussel Sprouts... Birds Eye comes
nowhere close.
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There is and I have occasionally posted links to some here over the years.
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
Therefore there
were a lot of Pharaohs ruling at the same time.
But none of them are named in the Bible for some reason.
Yes, because the Bible is not about them yet the name that the Pharaoh gave
to Joseph is mentioned there. As well as the name of Josephs wife who was the
daughter of the priest of Egypt
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
Joseph ruled the land of
Israel for his lifetime with the same authority as the Pharaoh.
The list of known Pharaohs in ancient Egypt is detailed and extensive.
At no point is a Joseph mentioned as someone who ruled with "the same
authority as" a Pharaoh.
Then you should do a study on the matter, for his name is chilled in stone in
at list one bldg there. As I recall.
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
And if it weren’t for Joseph Egypt would have been in ruins because of the seven
year famine.
That's not history. The tale of Joseph is what we would now days call
a "novella," or short novel.
It is not short, and neither is it a novel. And IIRC his tomb was identified
there, even though his bones were removed and taken with the Israelites to
the family burial site.
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
The Israelites were enslaved and were also sheepherders and the like, so most
of what the land lost were workers. Why do you assume there would have been
an economic collapse?
Because a civilization that relied on slave labor to the extent that
the Egyptians supposedly did would be crippled if that source of labor
was suddenly removed.
How so?

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How about *this* as a posted link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Reliability_of_the_biblical_account
Post by Robert
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
Therefore there
were a lot of Pharaohs ruling at the same time.
But none of them are named in the Bible for some reason.
Yes, because the Bible is not about them yet the name that the Pharaoh gave
to Joseph is mentioned there. As well as the name of Josephs wife who was the
daughter of the priest of Egypt
We were talking about the Pharaohs, not Joseph. And the first part of
the book of Exodus *is* about him (Pharaoh) in addition to Moses, and
yet that Pharaoh remains un-named, a gap in the story that can be best
explained by assuming it's fictional an ignorant sort of way.
Post by Robert
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
Joseph ruled the land of
Israel for his lifetime with the same authority as the Pharaoh.
The list of known Pharaohs in ancient Egypt is detailed and extensive.
At no point is a Joseph mentioned as someone who ruled with "the same
authority as" a Pharaoh.
Then you should do a study on the matter, for his name is chilled in stone in
at list one bldg there. As I recall.
You mean "chiseled" in stone?
Post by Robert
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
And if it weren’t for Joseph Egypt would have been in ruins because of the seven
year famine.
That's not history. The tale of Joseph is what we would now days call
a "novella," or short novel.
It is not short, and neither is it a novel. And IIRC his tomb was identified
there, even though his bones were removed and taken with the Israelites to
the family burial site.
It is short, compared to the size of a full novel. And regarding
Joseph's tomb, we have:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph%27s_Tomb#Modern_scholarship_on_the_narrative_of_Joseph's_bones
Post by Robert
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
The Israelites were enslaved and were also sheepherders and the like, so most
of what the land lost were workers. Why do you assume there would have been
an economic collapse?
Because a civilization that relied on slave labor to the extent that
the Egyptians supposedly did would be crippled if that source of labor
was suddenly removed.
How so?
Because, obviously, they would then have no one to do what the
Israelites supposedly did for them.
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More likely the Israelites survived several Pharaohs and thus instead of
naming the various ones they were combined into one character in Exodus
for simplicity.
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
Joseph ruled the land of
Israel for his lifetime with the same authority as the Pharaoh.
The list of known Pharaohs in ancient Egypt is detailed and extensive.
At no point is a Joseph mentioned as someone who ruled with "the same
authority as" a Pharaoh.
Then you should do a study on the matter, for his name is chilled in stone in
at list one bldg there. As I recall.
You mean "chiseled" in stone?
This is likely.
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'Wright has indeed argued that "the patriarch Joseph was not an
Israelite hero who became Egyptianised, but an Egyptian divinity who was
Hebraised."'

Sounds to me like Joseph was a pharaoh that was revered by the
Israelites, much like Americans revere Joe Biden.
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
The Israelites were enslaved and were also shepherds and the like, so most
of what the land lost were workers. Why do you assume there would have been
an economic collapse?
Because a civilization that relied on slave labor to the extent that
the Egyptians supposedly did would be crippled if that source of labor
was suddenly removed.
The key word is 'suddenly'. Americans have had decades to prepare for
the vacuum created by vaporized illegal immigrants on the other hand.
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
How so?
Because, obviously, they would then have no one to do what the
Israelites supposedly did for them.
Kind of like in Schindler's List when that professional metal worker is
eliminated by a bootstrap Nazi thug who has no reason to respect his
work value. Not only was that guy a skilled worker, but he had the
capability to teach other workers to be efficient like him, which would
also be omitted when the Israelites sneaked out the back in Exodus.
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till your mibd starts to gel
'Cause the ball in the can has a crazy beat
The funky dyin brain cell
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Kind of like George Foreman naming all of his sons George.
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If he was a divinity, his origin must be in myth and not history,
though.
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Sounds to me like Joseph was a pharaoh that was revered by the
Israelites, much like Americans revere Joe Biden.
Poor Democrats. They went so far as to chant "Thank you, Joe!" in
reference to Biden stepping aside in favor of the more competent
Kamala Harris...only to be defeated handily anyway.
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We've had the time to prepare, but have we actually done so?
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Yeah, racism is blind, I suppose.
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I guess so.
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The guy got through 4 yrs of presidency without an email or chatroom
security breach. Seemed like the yrs flew by too.
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I know I have. I'm relatively distanced from the problem being a blue
collar worker.
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He was in addition to being a Jew old and hunched. But he slammed his
contraption which looked like a door hinge into creation in a matter of
a few seconds.
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till your mibd starts to gel
'Cause the ball in the can has a crazy beat
The funky dyin brain cell
Robert
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I have via a variety of means dispelled all of those negative constructions
and yes, posted the reasons as to why they erred, and not because of their
believe but established facts, archeological evidences etc.
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Before Moses there was Joseph, the ruler who had the full authority of the
Pharaoh. And this was also near the start of the 430 year period.
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
Joseph ruled the land of
Israel for his lifetime with the same authority as the Pharaoh.
The list of known Pharaohs in ancient Egypt is detailed and extensive.
At no point is a Joseph mentioned as someone who ruled with "the same
authority as" a Pharaoh.
Then you should do a study on the matter, for his name is chilled in stone
in at list one bldg there. As I recall.
You mean "chiseled" in stone?
Yes, of course.
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That is your bible, not the one given by God.
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They already had well trained slave masters, and engineers/architects to
design what needed to be done or built, a legal system. Venders and
businessmen, and great wealth. They had animals for transportation, field
work, etc. as they had an agrarian society long standing and did these things
long before Joseph got there and reshaped the nation due to the extensive
drought and a a result Egypt became the wealthiest nation in the world at
that time.

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Give an example of something from the link I posted that you have
shown to have "erred."
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Biblically, yes. Historically, no.
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It's not a Bible, it's a Wikipedia article.
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Are you trying to say that the Egyptians didn't depend on their
supposed Hebrew slaves?
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Then why was his Egyptian name chilled in stone on the top edge of some of
their buildings? Why is his tomb and that of His family, known?
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It is what you go by, and of course if it is in WIKI it must be true. ;)
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Only for the leg work, the physical robotics. Because it was easier and far
less costly that to do it themselves. Similar to using the Chinese slaves to
build railroads in the west. When they ran out of them, the mission was still
accomplished.

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If it was an Egyptian name, it's reasonable that Egyptians, whether
they were the same person as Joseph or not, might be mentioned.
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My understanding is that it's roughly as reliable as _Britannica_.
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If it was *easier and less costly* to do it themselves, why wouldn't
they just do it themselves instead of supposedly enslaving the
Israelites?
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Post by Vincent Maycock
Post by Robert
Before Moses there was Joseph, the ruler who had the full authority
of the Pharaoh. And this was also near the start of the 430 year
period.
Biblically, yes. Historically, no.
Then why was his Egyptian name chilled in stone on the top edge of
some of their buildings? Why is his tomb and that of His family,
known?
"we don’t know of any evidence for
Joseph outside the Bible."

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-sites-places/biblical-
archaeology-sites/joseph-in-egypt/




"there is nothing definitive in
the historical or archaeological
record that verifies Joseph or
his exploits in Egypt."

https://www.logos.com/grow/bsm-was-joseph-in-egypt-when-archaeology-and-
the-bible-converge/
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"Ex. 12:37 says 600,000 men on foot,
beside children” went out from Egypt.
That extrapolates to around two million
people making the exodus (extrapolated
from Numbers 1:46). If around 2 million
people left Egypt, when the entire
population has been estimated at around
3 to 4.5 million, it would have been
noticed, and would have resounded in
Egyptian records.

At the end of the day it the story of
the Exodus is all matter of faith".
http://tinyurl.com/46z688by
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No that is an alternative reality which you have not presented. Your
argument is bullshit. You don't know that to be the case and there
could be other reasons such as if the Egyptians struck it from the
records while Corinthians I was taking place.
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You're the future of fire
You're the witness of war
You're the irony of justice
And the father of law
Been waiting for awhile to meet you
For the chance to shake your hand
To give you thanks for all the sufferin' you command
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Everything about Exodus is an alternative reality.
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I don't see why. Slavery wasn't nothing but a thang back then.
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You're the future of fire
You're the witness of war
You're the irony of justice
And the father of law
Been waiting for awhile to meet you
For the chance to shake your hand
To give you thanks for all the sufferin' you command
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"There are no Egyptian records that
clearly document the enslavement of
a people identifiable as the Hebrews."

https://www.thearchaeologist.org/blog/between-myth-and-reality-the-
hebrews-enslavement-by-the-egyptians#google_vignette





Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth?
Mar.26, 2012

The reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever
that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. Yes, there's
the story contained within the bible itself, but that's
not a remotely historically admissible source. I'm talking
about real proof; archeological evidence, state records
and primary sources. Of these, nothing exists.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/the-jewish-thinker/were-jews-ever-
really-slaves-in-egypt-or-is-passover-a-myth-1.420844

http://tinyurl.com/azjoyzd
.../v]andrak|≡...
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I don't really want to argue with you right now, but let me raise the
trivial argument that seems obvious to me.

What if there were no records because records take space time and effort
to maintain and that this was foreseen and thus the Bible is the only
vector chosen to represent it?

There have been emergencies in the past greater than we are experiencing
in the present in our kushy homes and pleasant spring weather.
Sacrifices must be made.
--
You're the future of fire
You're the witness of war
You're the irony of justice
And the father of law
Been waiting for awhile to meet you
For the chance to shake your hand
To give you thanks for all the sufferin' you command
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If half the population of the biggest
empire in the region disappeared overnight
it would have news and recorded in every
kingdom in the Levant. Egypt did not exist
in a vaccuum, it was teeming with merchants
and diplomats from far away. None of whom
even noticed Ye Exodus. It didn't get
recorded anywhere because it didn't happen.
Post by .../v]andrak|≡...
There have been emergencies in the past greater than we are
experiencing in the present in our kushy homes and pleasant spring
weather. Sacrifices must be made.
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So you were there?
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There have been emergencies in the past greater than we are
experiencing in the present in our kushy homes and pleasant spring
weather. Sacrifices must be made.
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They are like liberals. They destroyed the records.
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http://youtu.be/mJP4pVjnWpk
The tomb of the Pharaoh that ruled when the Israelites were let
go. Which included the body of his 1st born son. Plus the dates
of it all.
There were several Pharaohs living at about the time of the
Biblical tale of the Exodus (at least according to a
conservative
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You have a conspiracy theory for everything, don't you....
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Who said that? Oh YOU did.
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Robert
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I posted a ling here a month or so ago with a record pillar or something that
mentions then wandering in the desert.

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Mitchell Holman
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".......there is no evidence whatsoever
that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt."

From the above.
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Demonstrate this lack of evidence if you really think it exists and not
a figment of your imagination.
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ever-
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Post by Robert
really-slaves-in-egypt-or-is-passover-a-myth-1.420844
http://tinyurl.com/azjoyzd
I posted a ling here a month or so ago with a record pillar or
something that mentions then wandering in the desert.
".......there is no evidence whatsoever that the Jews were ever
enslaved in Egypt."
From the above.
Demonstrate this lack of evidence if you really think it exists and not
a figment of your imagination.
You know that's not how logic works.
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Actually it is. People can't make claims in technical papers if they
don't cite some sources. I expected this response, and it is incorrect
I'm afraid.
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'Cause the ball in the can has a crazy beat
The funky dyin brain cell
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In this case, it's Robert making the claim -- but he has no evidence
to support it.

It's not up to Mitchell to show a lack of evidence, that's bass-ackwards.
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Then why does he claim it?
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Who, Robert? Religious motivation.

Robert's drank the flavor-ade, he has.
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Mitchell Holman
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Demonstrate a lack of evidence?

Sorry, but the believers that X happened
have the burden of proving that it did.
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Okay, I point to he Bible. The fact that Exodus, a book that is 2300
yrs old includes documentation of Jews enslaved in Egypt a matter of
evidence. Case closed. Robert, shut the fuck up.
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Why?
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The fact that Exodus, a book that is 2300
yrs old includes documentation of Jews enslaved in Egypt a matter of
evidence. Case closed. Robert, shut the fuck up.
A fable that is old is still a fable.

Is story of Pandora's Box true just
because it is old? Is the story of King
Midas true just because it is old?
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You said there is a lack of evidence. It is a piece of evidence.
Concede the point stuporous.
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A claim is not evidence of it's own truth.

Are Elvis sightings proof he is alive?
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You are not evidence of a brain on the end of the line here. Who are
you to say what is evidence? You are the one who called for "real"
evidence such as arch. digs and some other bullshit. You can't argue
for crap and the only thing you convince me of is if you keep it up I
will have to killfile your illogicalness. This discussion is over. All
you want to do is argue.
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'Cause the ball in the can has a crazy beat
The funky dyin brain cell
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You are not evidence of a brain on the end of the line here. Who are
you to say what is evidence? You are the one who called for "real"
evidence such as arch. digs and some other bullshit. You can't argue
for crap and the only thing you convince me of is if you keep it up I
will have to killfile your illogicalness. This discussion is over. All
you want to do is argue.
You are new at this, aren't you?
.../v]andrak|≡...
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You are not evidence of a brain on the end of the line here. Who are
you to say what is evidence? You are the one who called for "real"
evidence such as arch. digs and some other bullshit. You can't argue
for crap and the only thing you convince me of is if you keep it up I
will have to killfile your illogicalness. This discussion is over. All
you want to do is argue.
You are new at this, aren't you?
Not really.

*plonk*
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till your mibd starts to gel
'Cause the ball in the can has a crazy beat
The funky dyin brain cell
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LOL, they lived in a separate cities outside of the cities of the Egyptians.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=proof+of+israelites+in+egypt

Knock your socks off.

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YouTube?

Seriously?
Robert
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When have you last read any of the records of the Egyptians of that day?
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At the end of the day it the story of
the Exodus is all matter of faith".
http://tinyurl.com/46z688by
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This is your claim that Ye Exodus actually
happened, show us the proof.
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Post by Mitchell Holman
At the end of the day it the story of
the Exodus is all matter of faith".
http://tinyurl.com/46z688by
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When have you last read any of the records of the Egyptians of that day?
This is your claim that Ye Exodus actually
happened, show us the proof.
Before you knew of my existence you knew the story of “ye Exodus”
Check with the one who wrote it for your knowledge.

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Because of illegal immigrants sucking cesspools. The Israelites were
doing the low pay menial jobs that no one wants. No one wants shit on
their fingers or in their mouth. When the Israelites evaded the Pharaoh
sending the Angel of Retribution to kill first born pharaoh's son the
pharaoh found his toilet backed up with shit. It wasn't considered an
important detail until about Psalms. Ich weiss es.

How blessed is the one who treats the poor properly.
When sewage comes may the Lord deliver him.
May the Lord protect him and save his assshit for fertilizing
May it be blessed on the land.
Do not turn him over to his rose bush thorns.
The Lord supports him and his sickman;
you have healed him from his stench.
You shit in a hole
“O Lord have mercy on me!
Heal me for I have sinned against you.
My rose bush thorns ask this brilliant question about me
‘When will he finally die and the toilet grievances be forgotten?
When someone comes to visit he sprays Renuz it Duz it;
he thinks of ways to publicly account me for ass stench
and when he leaves he takes away my dope
All who hate me whisper insults about me to one another;
they plan ways to harm me.
They say
‘An awful noxiousness overwhelms him
and now that he has ass shit sores he will never recover.’

If the hole can be dug and the ass shit be stopped
Then the Universe can be saved.

Was your experience wholly the same?
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You're the future of fire
You're the witness of war
You're the irony of justice
And the father of law
Been waiting for awhile to meet you
For the chance to shake your hand
To give you thanks for all the sufferin' you command