Andrew W
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When the media says the covid vaccine
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saved lives what do they mean by that
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and how do you respond if maybe you
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don't buy that well normally when I look
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at these studies I see that they're
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based on math models that estimate High
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death rates and because we never saw
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those well then they attribute that to
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the covid vaccine but that isn't exactly
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proof to me so I went to my favorite
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data scientist Regina Wati on this she's
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the author of The now bestselling book
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fisman fraud in her book she showed how
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the study that the Canadian government
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had used to punish unvaccinated people
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was based on totally bogus math models
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it's a fantastic read I want to suggest
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that you read it she called this hate
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science so she joins us today to discuss
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these math models about whether or not
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the vaccine actually saved lives so
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Regina thank you for joining me again
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well thanks for having me back Natalie
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it's always a
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pleasure yes okay so can you just give
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like if our viewers let's say are at
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holiday party and someone says to them
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well you know the vaccine saved lives
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can you tell us in a in a quick like
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cocktail napkin response how would you
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respond to that and then what maybe is
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the data that we can use to back up how
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we how we might feel about
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this okay well Natalie Natalie the
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scientific reality is that one cannot
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say that the vaccines saved more lives
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than they cost the clinical trials never
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showed that at all instead they actually
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showed that the MRNA vaccines carried an
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increased risk of serious Adverse Events
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of special interest including death and
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that increased risk outweighed any
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reduction in covid-19
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hospitalizations so that was bad news
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for the pharmaceutical companies so what
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they did was they cut their clinical
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trials short and they basically
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unblinded the CL clinical trials they
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offered the placebo group The vaccines
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and that basically sabotaged any future
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uh comparisons between the two groups
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and then when these vaccines were put on
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the market there was no attempt at all
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to actively track the Adverse Events in
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the general population so it became
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almost impossible to assess the true
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risk these vaccines posed to the
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population so without having a
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established a reduction in death in the
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clinical trials what some researchers
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did was they attempted to um say that
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this to they attempt to claim this
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benefit by playing with real world
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data but the problem was that real world
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data was showing some very disturbing
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Trends so as these vaccines rolled out
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we actually saw a rise in covid cases a
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rise in covid deaths and a rise in
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Access all cause mortality it so we saw
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this these these Trends in various
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regions throughout the world and that's
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a huge problem to anyone trying to push
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these vaccines because if you're going
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to say the vaccines saved lives you have
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to show an actual reduction in deaths
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but instead we see an increase so some
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researchers what they did was abandoned
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um scient proper scientific methodology
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and then just Resort to Pure
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Fantasy so it goes to what you were
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saying Natalie with they assume that the
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vaccines are highly effective and they
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just claim we would have they would have
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things would have been worse without
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them for instance we communicated about
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a chart last week presented by our world
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in data and what we saw was that they
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gave us this hypothetical spike in
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deaths that may have happened in and
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around the fall of
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2021 and because we never saw that
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well they attribute that to a success of
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the vaccine but they don't tell us why
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we might have seen this spike in deaths
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when deaths were fairly constant
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throughout the second year of the
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pandemic it's very confusing why they
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would do this and so where do you think
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they got these estimated death models
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that never
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were well what they it goes something
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like this Natalie they they say that um
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basically if we assume assum if we
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assume that the vaccines were highly
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effective and we saw this many deaths
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then just imagine how many more we would
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have seen if we didn't have the vaccines
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and then they construct models to
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simulate that imagin scenario where they
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assume the vaccines are highly effective
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and they pretend the virus was a lot
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more deadly than it actually was so
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that's what they did in that lanet study
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the our world uh data using the Lancet
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study and that study claimed 15 to 20
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million lives were saved in the first
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year but again it's completely
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hypothetical under the assumption that
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the vaccines were
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effective um I know that here in Canada
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we did a similar study that came out in
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2022 so both those studies came out in
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2022 and if you remember what was
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happening then we had the Omicron wave
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so everybody could see that these
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vaccines did not work so these St
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studies basically serve to Gaslight the
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population and to say no they did work
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we're just going to make it up well what
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they meant when they said they don't
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they don't work is they're not
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preventing transmission when early media
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reports lied to us and said that they do
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even though they never tested for that
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they only tested for symptoms and so
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they continue to put forward these
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estimates as if the vaccine was
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responsible for what most likely the the
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real world data shows uh natural
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Community was responsible for is that
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your
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assessment um not not quite what they
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did was they just made it up completely
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because we didn't actually we didn't
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actually see a reduction yeah we didn't
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actually even see a reduction in deaths
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at all so they just said oh it would
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have been worse right so it's completely
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made up okay okay uh and then another
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thing that we see a lot is that they say
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well it's reduced the risk of
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ventilators and so they extrapolate that
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as a success what's your assessment of
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the risk of being put on a
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ventilator okay well I'll get to I'll
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get to that in a second but I I wanted
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to just mention another study that came
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out last month um by John iadis because
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that study has been getting a lot of
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play at least on Twitter what he and his
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colleagues um did was with their study
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they they do a kind of reality check but
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they still ignore the huge elephant in
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the room so instead of um creating a
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model simulation what his group did is
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they just do a rough calculation of the
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number of lives they think the vaccines
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saved so what they do is they estimate
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the number of deaths that would have
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occurred without the vaccines and they
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just multiply it by the vaccine
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Effectiveness and to get the number of
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people who would have died without the
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vaccines well what they do is they
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assume that without the vaccines almost
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everyone would have caught covid by the
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time Omicron came around around and then
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they use fatality estimates based on
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covid deaths that occurred before the
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vaccines were rolled out but if you
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recall Natalie covid deaths are people
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who died with covid not because of covid
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right right and so a lot of people think
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that that fatality is an exaggeration
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because if you recall the the CDC
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actually came out early in the pandemic
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and stated that 94% of Co related deaths
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had one or more comorbid conditions with
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an average of four additional causes of
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death so that fatality estimate is
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already high and so they take the number
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that number of people that they thought
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would have died without vaccines and
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they times it by vaccine Effectiveness
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but they just assume that the vaccines
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are effective at preventing death it's
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not proven it's not established it's
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just an assumption and when they do that
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they get two and a half million covid
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deaths averted since the introduction of
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these vaccines and one million of those
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being in the first year mostly the
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elderly but why I bring this up is that
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estimate is already over an order of
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magnitude less than that lanet study
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right because Johnny 2.5 million versus
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20 million so people are just very
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comfortable with that spread like oh yes
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yes that's must be it fine but that's
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but the it's actually worse because he's
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saying two and a half up to now and only
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a million in the first year and the
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lanet said 20 million in the first year
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but it it gets worse than that because
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yatus and his colleagues even admit that
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they completely ignored any deaths due
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to the vaccine or any injuries due to
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the vaccine right and they also didn't
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and they didn't try to explain the
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increase in Access
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mortality right
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so when you don't consider those things
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the iadis uh 2.5 million lives saved
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that's pretty meaningless and it's
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actually misleading because even if you
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assume two and a half million covid
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deaths were averted that's of little
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consolation if the vaccines themselves
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cause 17 million access deaths which is
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what a Canadian researcher Denny ranor
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is claiming
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right so yeah that's not a good tradeoff
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that's
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negative yeah right so if you look at
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and this gets into what you were asking
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with the the ventilators to some degree
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because what Denny Rancor does is he
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looks at um the access deaths that
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occurred between 2020 and 2022 and he
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estimates about 31 million access all
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cause mortality uh deaths right and he
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tries to to figure out what possibly
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could have caused these extra deaths so
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what he does is he looks at the pattern
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of the deaths and the timing of the
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deaths in the various countries around
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the world and he draws three conclusions
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he says that those Trends are not
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consistent with the spread of a viral
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pathogen so he says that the actual
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covid virus doesn't really
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explain that increase in Access all
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cause
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mortality but he says that those Trends
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are consistent with the the timing and
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introduction of various public policies
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so he talks about um things like the
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lockdowns he talks about improper
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treatment like being put on the
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mechanical ventilators or not being
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given antibiotics when you have a
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bacterial infection and he also looks at
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how the access deaths increased as the
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vaccines were rolled out in certain
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subpopulations so he says that all those
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public policy measures they are
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consistent with the deaths and so he
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attributes the 31 million access deaths
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to public policy and 17 million of those
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he says is due to the VA he thinks is
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due to the vaccine
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alone so just this week Joe Biden
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extended the emergency me measures for
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the covid vaccine uh and so that uh the
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pharmaceutical companies continue to
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have liability and it continued to be on
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the market with emergency use
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authorization um and so do you think
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that there is um big farm of funding
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Behind These studies in order to be able
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to do that is there any rational reason
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to do it it who's behind these studies
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do you think and these
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moves well these studies claiming that
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lies were saved um they're they're not
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scientific at all they're they're
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they're Pure Fantasy they're based
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completely on assumptions and um as I
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mentioned because things were not
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established in the clinical trials they
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looked at real world data and they try
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to play with that and when Real World
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data didn't look good they simply made
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things up so that's where where things
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are headed so who is funding that
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um I mean you would think that it it has
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to do with big Pharma because they're
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the ones who are benefiting from this
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but uh a lot of governments will go
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along with it because they they there
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was a lot of opportunity that this
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presented for them as well yeah and so
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lot of these studies sorry A lot of
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these studies you know like here in
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Canada a lot of these bogus studies were
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are funded by Our Own federal government
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they continue to fund fraudulent studies
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with very little Fallout I mean that's
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one of the main plots of your book is
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who was behind it you went to the
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universities and the academic journals
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that published this hate science and you
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were met with push back when you were
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clearly showing them these are bogus
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mathematical models that are being used
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to hurt people uh and so it where are
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you in um asking for accountability from
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that well there's been a lot of activity
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here Natalie because um like the the
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federal agency continued to fund fisman
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who was our you know frontman for
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pandemic modeling after showed that his
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study that was used to prop up the
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travel restrictions and the mandates was
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completely bogus they continued to fund
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him um and then they you know they were
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asked about the funding of these studies
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and whether they received any negative
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feedback after the publication and they
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actually had the nerve to say they
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didn't despite the fact that I wrote a
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book on it and and our correspondence is
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published so they actually said no no
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negative feedback and they continued to
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fund uh fisman so I've gone back to them
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um and again they're still backing him
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my book was mentioned again in
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Parliament last week so that's promising
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but they show um it doesn't look like
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they're slowing down with this at
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all gosh okay well you're doing the work
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you can follow uh Regina's Amazing
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Adventures on X at Regina watti and
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again I want to tell you to look out for
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the book it's called fisman fraud and uh
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yeah it reads a little bit like The
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Fugitive the movie The Harrison Ford
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film uh and it's real this is our lives
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now so thank you for your time coming on
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redacted it's always a pleasure to talk
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to you well thank you so much again for
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for having me back thanks Natalie
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