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Cloud Hobbit
2018-11-23 21:56:18 UTC
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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.

The Sabbath Day
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5

The Permanence of Earth
“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4

“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10

Seeing God
“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

Human Sacrifice
“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21

[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31

[The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34

The Power of God
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19

Personal Injury
“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25

“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39

Circumcision
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10

“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2

Incest
“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22

“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17

[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12

“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16

Trusting God
“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2

Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3

The Holy Lifestyle
“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart…” — Ecclesiastes 9:7

“…they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not…” — 1 Corinthians 7:30

Punishing Crime
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20

“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5

Temptation
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13

“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1

Family Relationships
“Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12

“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26

Resurrection of the Dead
“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9

“…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29

The End of the World
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. ” — Matthew 16:28

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ” — Luke 21:32-33

“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” — Romans 13:11-12

“Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” — James 5:8

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18

“But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.” — 1 Peter 4:7

These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the “Son of God.” The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions.

Conclusion
What is incredible about the Bible is not its divine authorship; it’s that such a concoction of contradictory nonsense could be believed by anyone to have been written by an omniscient god. To do so, one would first have to not read the book, which is the practice of most Christians; or, if one does read it, dump in the trash can one’s rational intelligence — to become a fool for god, in other words.

To be an atheist, one need only be able to laugh when such obvious nonsense is offered as being “divine” truth.

All Bible quotes from the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (New York: Abradale Press, 1965)

This is an adaptation of an article originally written by former Interim President and current member of the Board of Directors Frank Zindler.

But God is perfect, right?
JTEM
2018-11-23 22:06:59 UTC
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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.
Why?

Morons who are angry at God think there's some
type of competition here, that they have something
to "Win."

Clearly you feel as if you're "Losing" and are
desperate to some type of "Victory"...

If you ever grasp what's going on here,
what you're doing then you'll finally
understand how awful you look to everyone
outside yourself.









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Greywolf
2018-11-23 23:58:51 UTC
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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.
Why?
Morons who are angry at God think there's some
type of competition here, that they have something
to "Win."
Clearly you feel as if you're "Losing" and are
desperate to some type of "Victory"...
If you ever grasp what's going on here,
what you're doing then you'll finally
understand how awful you look to everyone
outside yourself.
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How can a non-believer be "angry" at something the non-believer doesn't even believe exists?

Try this: Build up some seriously mean anger towards leprechauns. I mean put some ooomph into that anger. Make it border hate.

Can you do it?

No? Well, why not? Oh, because you don't believe leprechauns don't even exist and, therefore, can't possibly be angry at or hate them?

Ditto for atheists versus "God." But you've figured that out on your own. Haven't you?

Oh, if you HAVE built up an anger towards leprechauns, you need to get some serious psychiatric help. And I mean far more than you're receiving now.
JTEM
2018-11-24 02:44:53 UTC
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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.

Atheists believe there is no God. They're
not pussies constantly trying to enforce
some idiotic P.C. speak.









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Greywolf
2018-11-24 03:51:22 UTC
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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.
What is your fucking problem? Why do you snip post messages to the point they make no sense whatsoever?

Oh, that's right: You're a nut-job Christian who's craving for attention knows no bounds. You're posting in an atheist newsgroup with nothing of any real importance to say.
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Atheists believe there is no God. They're
not pussies constantly trying to enforce
some idiotic P.C. speak.
You've implied atheists are "angry" at God. I've pointed out that it's virtually impossible to be "angry" at something you don't even believe exists? So what's your beef?

Steaming angry at leprechauns, are you?

Glad you've acknowledged we atheists are atheists due to our lack of belief in God. Thanks for the reinforcement the atheists in this forum are true atheists.

Now if you're going to respond, quit snipping my remarks. It makes you look quite imbecilic.
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JTEM
2018-11-24 04:15:43 UTC
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What is
You still here?

Go away. As growing up seems impossible for you,
just go away.






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Greywolf
2018-11-24 05:07:55 UTC
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What is
Think that was "clever" of you or something. It makes you look like the moron you are.
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You still here?
Are you still being imbecilic?
Post by JTEM
Go away. As growing up seems impossible for you,
just go away.
This is an atheist forum, shit-for-brains. It seems you haven't grown wise enough to realize that you have no real business posting here. On top of that, you're blatantly defying Matthew 10:14, you bogus "Christian."

Is that how you adhere to the words of Jesus?
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JTEM
2018-11-24 05:48:09 UTC
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Think that was
Just stop. You're typing just to hear the click of
your keyboard. You have nothing to say here and you
never do.





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Greywolf
2018-11-24 06:14:13 UTC
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Think that was
Just stop. You're typing just to hear the click of
your keyboard. You have nothing to say here and you
never do.
Sure do. You've proven you're nothing but a bogus Christian prick.

How's THAT for "nothing to say"? And guess what? You've proven you're mentally-ill beyond all hope. Now THAT'S important info to let Christian lurkers to know about you. Goofy as all hell, you are. And a total imbecile on top of it.
v***@gmail.com
2018-11-24 08:20:07 UTC
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Think that was
Just stop. You're typing just to hear the click of
your keyboard. You have nothing to say here and you
never do.
Sure do. You've proven you're nothing but a bogus Christian prick.
How's THAT for "nothing to say"? And guess what? You've proven you're mentally-ill beyond all hope. Now THAT'S important info to let Christian lurkers to know about you. Goofy as all hell, you are. And a total imbecile on top of it.
His comments are succinct and to the point. All you do is babble and ramble.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-11-24 09:09:11 UTC
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His comments are succinct and to the point. All you do is babble and ramble.
And all you do is bitch and moan with a side of bullshit for good measure.

You and Jesper should be poster boys for Dunning-Kruger.
JTEM
2018-11-25 18:29:24 UTC
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And all you do is bitch and moan with a side of bullshit for good measure.
You're saying this in a thread that's all about your
negative views of Christianity.

Fix your problems, your contradictions. That's the
only way to better yourself.




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Greywolf
2018-11-25 06:52:08 UTC
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Think that was
Just stop. You're typing just to hear the click of
your keyboard. You have nothing to say here and you
never do.
Sure do. You've proven you're nothing but a bogus Christian prick.
How's THAT for "nothing to say"? And guess what? You've proven you're mentally-ill beyond all hope. Now THAT'S important info to let Christian lurkers to know about you. Goofy as all hell, you are. And a total imbecile on top of it.
His comments are succinct and to the point. All you do is babble and ramble.
All you do is prove you're a nut-job.
JTEM
2018-11-25 18:27:38 UTC
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Sure do. You've
You're proving my point, as there is still no
competition, nothing to "win," you're not and
never will "score points"... you're not even
an atheist!

Concentrate on what's wrong with YOU. Focus on
fixing YOU, eliminating YOUR contradictions. This
is the only way you can ever rise above your
pathetic state.







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Greywolf
2018-11-26 01:55:09 UTC
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Sure do. You've
You're proving my point, as there is still no
competition, nothing to "win," you're not and
never will "score points"... you're not even
an atheist!
First, you're a pathetic nut. What purpose do you think snipping my remarks in your reply serves. Everyone can see that you're just a bogus Christian being a prick.

Now to a question you've yet to answer: Is the following an atheist website or a theist website:

https://theatheistobserver.com/

You won't give a sane answer because you're seriously disturbed, psychologically speaking. In plain terms, you're NUTS. And everyone knows it.

Proud of your brains-diseased self, are you?
Post by JTEM
Concentrate on what's wrong with YOU. Focus on
fixing YOU, eliminating YOUR contradictions. This
is the only way you can ever rise above your
pathetic state.
That's just mentally-ill you spewing nonsense. But let's test your intellectual honesty and sanity: Is Matthew 16:21 contradicted by Mark 8:31? Yes or No?
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JTEM
2018-11-27 05:34:20 UTC
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First
You're an idiot who believes in fairy tales, starting
with the fantasy that you're somehow an "Atheist."

Fix you. Fix your contradictions. Worry about your
problems. That's how you rise above your pathetic
state.





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Greywolf
2018-11-29 02:25:18 UTC
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First
You're an idiot who believes in fairy tales, starting
with the fantasy that you're somehow an "Atheist."
Fix you. Fix your contradictions. Worry about your
problems. That's how you rise above your pathetic
state.
From the keyboard of a certifiable nut-job who can't even stop himself from snipping my replies.

Hey, you've failed to answer a simple question, terd-brain: Is this an atheist website or a theist one:

https://theatheistobserver.com/

Can't answer the question? I didn't think so. You're too retarded to do so simple a task.
duke
2018-11-25 22:57:18 UTC
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What is
Think that was "clever" of you or something. It makes you look like the moron you are.
Post by JTEM
You still here?
Are you still being imbecilic?
Post by JTEM
Go away. As growing up seems impossible for you,
just go away.
This is an atheist forum, shit-for-brains. It seems you haven't grown wise enough to realize that you have no real business posting here. On top of that, you're blatantly defying Matthew 10:14, you bogus "Christian."
But that means you know exactly nothing about God.

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Greywolf
2018-11-26 02:06:25 UTC
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What is
Think that was "clever" of you or something. It makes you look like the moron you are.
Post by JTEM
You still here?
Are you still being imbecilic?
Post by JTEM
Go away. As growing up seems impossible for you,
just go away.
This is an atheist forum, shit-for-brains. It seems you haven't grown wise enough to realize that you have no real business posting here. On top of that, you're blatantly defying Matthew 10:14, you bogus "Christian."
But that means you know exactly nothing about God.
Uh, apparently YOU don't. You're defying Matthew 10:14, lie like there's no tomorrow, break Charter Rules, deceitful as all hell, and a total prick. I think your "God" is Satan, only you don't realize it.

How in the WORLD could you call such putrid behavior "Christian"?
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2018-11-26 22:15:45 UTC
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What is
Think that was "clever" of you or something. It makes you look like the moron you are.
Post by JTEM
You still here?
Are you still being imbecilic?
Post by JTEM
Go away. As growing up seems impossible for you,
just go away.
This is an atheist forum, shit-for-brains. It seems you haven't grown wise enough to realize that you have no real business posting here. On top of that, you're blatantly defying Matthew 10:14, you bogus "Christian."
But that means you know exactly nothing about God.
Uh, apparently YOU don't. You're defying Matthew 10:14, lie like there's no tomorrow
No, I'm not. Neither you nor I know the basis for where Matthew started to
count. Did he use full days or part days. When did his day start?
Post by Greywolf
, break Charter Rules, deceitful as all hell, and a total prick. I think your "God" is Satan, only you don't realize it.
How in the WORLD could you call such putrid behavior "Christian"?
I'm not trying to sucker in all your brother atheists by lying to them.

the dukester, American-American


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Greywolf
2018-11-27 04:25:55 UTC
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What is
Think that was "clever" of you or something. It makes you look like the moron you are.
Post by JTEM
You still here?
Are you still being imbecilic?
Post by JTEM
Go away. As growing up seems impossible for you,
just go away.
This is an atheist forum, shit-for-brains. It seems you haven't grown wise enough to realize that you have no real business posting here. On top of that, you're blatantly defying Matthew 10:14, you bogus "Christian."
But that means you know exactly nothing about God.
Uh, apparently YOU don't. You're defying Matthew 10:14, lie like there's no tomorrow
No, I'm not. Neither you nor I know the basis for where Matthew started to
count. Did he use full days or part days. When did his day start?
Post by Greywolf
, break Charter Rules, deceitful as all hell, and a total prick. I think your "God" is Satan, only you don't realize it.
How in the WORLD could you call such putrid behavior "Christian"?
I'm not trying to sucker in all your brother atheists by lying to them.
But that's all you do. How do you expect Christian Lurkers to follow your stupid-ass nonsense?
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2018-11-27 15:04:43 UTC
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What is
Think that was "clever" of you or something. It makes you look like the moron you are.
Post by JTEM
You still here?
Are you still being imbecilic?
Post by JTEM
Go away. As growing up seems impossible for you,
just go away.
This is an atheist forum, shit-for-brains. It seems you haven't grown wise enough to realize that you have no real business posting here. On top of that, you're blatantly defying Matthew 10:14, you bogus "Christian."
But that means you know exactly nothing about God.
Uh, apparently YOU don't. You're defying Matthew 10:14, lie like there's no tomorrow
No, I'm not. Neither you nor I know the basis for where Matthew started to
count. Did he use full days or part days. When did his day start?
Post by Greywolf
, break Charter Rules, deceitful as all hell, and a total prick. I think your "God" is Satan, only you don't realize it.
How in the WORLD could you call such putrid behavior "Christian"?
I'm not trying to sucker in all your brother atheists by lying to them.
But that's all you do. How do you expect Christian Lurkers to follow your stupid-ass nonsense?
They help me.

the dukester, American-American


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Greywolf
2018-11-29 05:42:01 UTC
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What is
Think that was "clever" of you or something. It makes you look like the moron you are.
Post by JTEM
You still here?
Are you still being imbecilic?
Post by JTEM
Go away. As growing up seems impossible for you,
just go away.
This is an atheist forum, shit-for-brains. It seems you haven't grown wise enough to realize that you have no real business posting here. On top of that, you're blatantly defying Matthew 10:14, you bogus "Christian."
But that means you know exactly nothing about God.
Uh, apparently YOU don't. You're defying Matthew 10:14, lie like there's no tomorrow
No, I'm not. Neither you nor I know the basis for where Matthew started to
count. Did he use full days or part days. When did his day start?
Post by Greywolf
, break Charter Rules, deceitful as all hell, and a total prick. I think your "God" is Satan, only you don't realize it.
How in the WORLD could you call such putrid behavior "Christian"?
I'm not trying to sucker in all your brother atheists by lying to them.
But that's all you do. How do you expect Christian Lurkers to follow your stupid-ass nonsense?
They help me.
Prove it.
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2018-11-29 20:23:22 UTC
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How in the WORLD could you call such putrid behavior "Christian"?
I'm not trying to sucker in all your brother atheists by lying to them.
But that's all you do. How do you expect Christian Lurkers to follow your stupid-ass nonsense?
They help me.
Prove it.
Done.

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Rev. Ken Jones
2018-11-24 04:03:01 UTC
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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.

So, how is one better off than the other?
But the theist has hope there is something
better after this life. What is the atheist hope?


They're
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not pussies constantly trying to enforce
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JTEM
2018-11-24 04:18:22 UTC
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Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
Yes, agnostics are the fence sitters. They say
"I don't know" while the theists and atheists
BELIEVE that they do know.

"Belief" is indistinguishable from knowledge. Don't
confuse "Belief" with "Suspicion." Atheists believe.

...so that's how we can tell there are no
atheists here.








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2018-11-24 17:32:05 UTC
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Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
Yes, agnostics are the fence sitters. They say
"I don't know" while the theists and atheists
BELIEVE that they do know.
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What they believe or don't believe, they still do
not Know. The axiom that all you can know is death
and taxes.
Post by JTEM
"Belief" is indistinguishable from knowledge. Don't
confuse "Belief" with "Suspicion." Atheists believe.
Atheist believe there is no God, but they cannot know that
for an absolutely fact. And it's the same with theist.
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...so that's how we can tell there are no
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Kevrob
2018-11-24 04:22:03 UTC
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Post by Greywolf
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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Wrong, "Ray." Atheist don't be;ieve in any ghodz.
No beliefs required.
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
For atheists, the "ghod question" is irrelevant,
until the theists shove it in our faces by, for
example, trolling an atheist newsgroup.

The really important annoyance for us is those trying to
get the government to finance shoving the nonsense down
our throats; established churches, mandating the teaching of
religious beliefs in taxpayer-funded schools, etc.
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
So, how is one better off than the other?
Isn't not being with unsubstantiated beliefs, and therefore
having a more accurate view of reality objectively a better
thing?
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
But the theist has hope there is something
better after this life.
"This life?" You act as if you get more than one. Are
you a Hindu, then?

You are born, and you live. You make the most of life.
Eventually, you die. Entropy gets us all, at least so far.
Pretending your consciousness will survive death is a fantasy.
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
What is the atheist hope?
We'd hope you ghod-botherers would leave us alone.

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JTEM
2018-11-24 05:51:01 UTC
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Wrong, "Ray." Atheist
You're not an atheist. Stop peeing your pants
over some vicarious hurt.





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2018-11-24 05:57:30 UTC
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Post by Greywolf
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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Wrong, "Ray." Atheist don't be;ieve in any ghodz.
No beliefs required.
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
For atheists, the "ghod question" is irrelevant,
until the theists shove it in our faces by, for
example, trolling an atheist newsgroup.
Nobody forces you to read any post..
Post by Kevrob
The really important annoyance for us is those trying to
get the government to finance shoving the nonsense down
our throats; established churches, mandating the teaching of
religious beliefs in taxpayer-funded schools, etc.
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
So, how is one better off than the other?
Isn't not being with unsubstantiated beliefs, and therefore
having a more accurate view of reality objectively a better
thing?
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
But the theist has hope there is something
better after this life.
"This life?" You act as if you get more than one. Are
you a Hindu, then?
You are born, and you live. You make the most of life.
Eventually, you die. Entropy gets us all, at least so far.
Pretending your consciousness will survive death is a fantasy.
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
What is the atheist hope?
We'd hope you ghod-botherers would leave us alone.
There is an alt.atheism moderated.. Go there and keep us out.
Rev. Ken Jones
2018-11-24 17:46:39 UTC
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Post by Greywolf
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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Wrong, "Ray." Atheist don't be;ieve in any ghodz.
No beliefs required.
I sometimes use my middle name. My point is: you
cannot know!
Post by Kevrob
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
For atheists, the "ghod question" is irrelevant,
until the theists shove it in our faces by, for
example, trolling an atheist newsgroup.
You call it trolling, but this _is_ a public newsgroup.
So, anyone who wishes to is free to do so.
Post by Kevrob
The really important annoyance for us is those trying to
get the government to finance shoving the nonsense down
our throats; established churches, mandating the teaching of
religious beliefs in taxpayer-funded schools, etc.
This seems to be the case of a few extremist fundamentalist.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
So, how is one better off than the other?
Isn't not being with unsubstantiated beliefs, and therefore
having a more accurate view of reality objectively a better
thing?
OF course theist also think they are being objective.
Post by Kevrob
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
But the theist has hope there is something
better after this life.
"This life?" You act as if you get more than one. Are
you a Hindu, then?
No, This is another belief of most theist.
Post by Kevrob
You are born, and you live. You make the most of life.
Eventually, you die. Entropy gets us all, at least so far.
Pretending your consciousness will survive death is a fantasy.
Here again is belief. Not having experience death, you cannot
know for certain. You only have belief!
Post by Kevrob
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
What is the atheist hope?
We'd hope you ghod-botherers would leave us alone.
It seems
that some people wish to bash and attack theist

without any comeback from those who are verbally

assaulted.
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Kevrob
2018-11-27 03:04:56 UTC
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Post by Greywolf
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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Wrong, "Ray." Atheist don't be;ieve in any ghodz.
No beliefs required.
I sometimes use my middle name.
With a name as common as "Jones," Ken and Ray might not
even ne related, let alone the same guy. I take it this is
you admitting the 2 nyms are 1 person?
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
My point is: you cannot know!
I can't KNOW that Cu Chulainn isn't playing at hurling
in your sock drawer, either, but thar's the way to bet.
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Kevrob
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
I frequently run into believers who claim "they KNOW!!!"
Not just believe, but know.
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Kevrob
For atheists, the "ghod question" is irrelevant,
until the theists shove it in our faces by, for
example, trolling an atheist newsgroup.
You call it trolling, but this _is_ a public newsgroup.
So, anyone who wishes to is free to do so.
You may post, but you are a troll for not following the
charter and FAQ.

[quote]

The Cat-Herding Rules and Regulations of alt.atheism and Some Information

1) All are welcome in the newsgroup, whether they're atheists or not, as
long as they are not trolls.
2) Proselytizing of ANY religion is NOT welcome! (Those guilty of this bad
nettiquette will be treated as they deserve!)
3) This newsgroup exists for atheists to discuss anything of interest
to them and other atheists, although others who are honestly
interested in joining a discussion and are not trolls are
welcome. Trolls will be treated as what they are.

[/quote] -

http://web.archive.org/web/20160314200548/http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:faq
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Kevrob
The really important annoyance for us is those trying to
get the government to finance shoving the nonsense down
our throats; established churches, mandating the teaching of
religious beliefs in taxpayer-funded schools, etc.
This seems to be the case of a few extremist fundamentalist.
So, you are willing to support taking religious mottoes
off our money, flags, and public buildings, and reverting
the Pledge of Allegiance to its pre-1950s SECULAR wording?
Your denomination will be funding its military chaplains,
rather than the taxpayers, from now on? Same for chaplains
for other state institutions, like the Congress?

Good for you if you are.
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Kevrob
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
So, how is one better off than the other?
Isn't not being with unsubstantiated beliefs, and therefore
having a more accurate view of reality objectively a better
thing?
OF course theist also think they are being objective.
Seriously? People who think "I know it in my heart"
is evidence are OBJECTIVE?
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Kevrob
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
But the theist has hope there is something
better after this life.
"This life?" You act as if you get more than one. Are
you a Hindu, then?
No, This is another belief of most theist.
An unsubstantiated one. We have no evidence of any
afterlife, though spiritualist charlatans make a lot
of money faking communication with "the other side."
Not all of them are priests or ministers, either.
=
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Kevrob
You are born, and you live. You make the most of life.
Eventually, you die. Entropy gets us all, at least so far.
Pretending your consciousness will survive death is a fantasy.
Here again is belief. Not having experience death, you cannot
know for certain. You only have belief!
It's not "belief," it's a working hypothesis.
Note the qualification: "Entropy gets us all,
[caps added for emphasis]...AT LEAST SO FAR."

Now, Kenray and Rayken, please follow the FAQ or
butt out.


[quote]

Whoever will not receive you or listen to your words -
go outside that house or town and shake the dust from your feet.

[/quote] Matt 10:14 - http://www.usccb.org/bible/mt/10

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2018-11-27 04:13:46 UTC
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Post by Greywolf
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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Wrong, "Ray." Atheist don't be;ieve in any ghodz.
No beliefs required.
I sometimes use my middle name.
With a name as common as "Jones," Ken and Ray might not
even ne related, let alone the same guy. I take it this is
you admitting the 2 nyms are 1 person?
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
My point is: you cannot know!
I can't KNOW that Cu Chulainn isn't playing at hurling
in your sock drawer, either, but thar's the way to bet.
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Kevrob
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
I frequently run into believers who claim "they KNOW!!!"
Not just believe, but know.
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Kevrob
For atheists, the "ghod question" is irrelevant,
until the theists shove it in our faces by, for
example, trolling an atheist newsgroup.
You call it trolling, but this _is_ a public newsgroup.
So, anyone who wishes to is free to do so.
You may post, but you are a troll for not following the
charter and FAQ.
[quote]
The Cat-Herding Rules and Regulations of alt.atheism and Some Information
1) All are welcome in the newsgroup, whether they're atheists or not, as
long as they are not trolls.
2) Proselytizing of ANY religion is NOT welcome! (Those guilty of this bad
nettiquette will be treated as they deserve!)
3) This newsgroup exists for atheists to discuss anything of interest
to them and other atheists, although others who are honestly
interested in joining a discussion and are not trolls are
welcome. Trolls will be treated as what they are.
[/quote] -
http://web.archive.org/web/20160314200548/http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:faq
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Post by Kevrob
The really important annoyance for us is those trying to
get the government to finance shoving the nonsense down
our throats; established churches, mandating the teaching of
religious beliefs in taxpayer-funded schools, etc.
This seems to be the case of a few extremist fundamentalist.
So, you are willing to support taking religious mottoes
off our money, flags, and public buildings, and reverting
the Pledge of Allegiance to its pre-1950s SECULAR wording?
The Pledge comes from the Flag Code, which is advisory, not mandatory.
Supreme ct cases have ruled that nobody can be required to say the pledge.
Kevrob
2018-11-27 18:25:02 UTC
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So, you are willing to support taking religious mottoes
off our money, flags, and public buildings, and reverting
the Pledge of Allegiance to its pre-1950s SECULAR wording?
The Pledge comes from the Flag Code, which is advisory, not mandatory.
The Pledge predates the "Flag Code," which wasn't official until 1923.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
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Supreme ct cases have ruled that nobody can be required to say the pledge.
Units of government still spend money promoting it, and, by
extension, the religious sentiments inserted into it in the 1950s.
I consider that, in my LAY opinion, to be unconstitutional.

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2018-11-27 20:18:16 UTC
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So, you are willing to support taking religious mottoes
off our money, flags, and public buildings, and reverting
the Pledge of Allegiance to its pre-1950s SECULAR wording?
The Pledge comes from the Flag Code, which is advisory, not mandatory.
The Pledge predates the "Flag Code," which wasn't official until 1923.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
Current law is what matters, ignoramus
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Supreme ct cases have ruled that nobody can be required to say the pledge.
Units of government still spend money promoting it,
EVIDENCE??????????
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2018-11-27 20:19:38 UTC
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So, you are willing to support taking religious mottoes
off our money, flags, and public buildings, and reverting
the Pledge of Allegiance to its pre-1950s SECULAR wording?
The Pledge comes from the Flag Code, which is advisory, not mandatory.
The Pledge predates the "Flag Code," which wasn't official until 1923.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
Current law is what matters, ignoramus
Post by Kevrob
Post by v***@gmail.com
Supreme ct cases have ruled that nobody can be required to say the pledge.
Units of government still spend money promoting it,
EVIDENCE??????????
hi
Kevrob
2018-11-27 20:37:29 UTC
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So, you are willing to support taking religious mottoes
off our money, flags, and public buildings, and reverting
the Pledge of Allegiance to its pre-1950s SECULAR wording?
The Pledge comes from the Flag Code, which is advisory, not mandatory.
The Pledge predates the "Flag Code," which wasn't official until 1923.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
Current law is what matters, ignoramus
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Supreme ct cases have ruled that nobody can be required to say the pledge.
Units of government still spend money promoting it,
EVIDENCE??????????
Any public school that starts the day with the pledge
is funded by tax dollars. Yes, students can refuse to
participate, but I wrote PROMOTE, not MANDATE.

The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.

[quote]

"An atheistic American is a contradiction in terms," {George}
Docherty said in his sermon. "If you deny the Christian
ethic, you fall short of the American ideal of life."

[/quote] - WaPo article by By Rachel Siegel June 14

"The gripping sermon that got 'under God' added to the
Pledge of Allegiance on Flag Day" quotes an asshole preacher
who had Eisenhower in his audience back in 1954. He basically
draws a cirle that pushes all non-believers in the Abramic ghod
outside, marking them as not really Americans. Bastard.

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So, you are willing to support taking religious mottoes
off our money, flags, and public buildings, and reverting
the Pledge of Allegiance to its pre-1950s SECULAR wording?
The Pledge comes from the Flag Code, which is advisory, not mandatory.
The Pledge predates the "Flag Code," which wasn't official until 1923.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
Current law is what matters, ignoramus
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Supreme ct cases have ruled that nobody can be required to say the pledge.
Units of government still spend money promoting it,
EVIDENCE??????????
Any public school that starts the day with the pledge
is funded by tax dollars. Yes, students can refuse to
participate, but I wrote PROMOTE, not MANDATE.
The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Kevrob
2018-11-27 20:57:25 UTC
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The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Listen to what you want to. The first amendment, and the incorporation
doctrine* derived from the 14th, means that government shouldn't pay for
it or organize it.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York

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Christopher A. Lee
2018-11-27 21:03:11 UTC
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The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Listen to what you want to. The first amendment, and the incorporation
doctrine* derived from the 14th, means that government shouldn't pay for
it or organize it.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York
What "atheist lies" were the pathologically lying liar lying about?
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The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Listen to what you want to. The first amendment, and the incorporation
doctrine* derived from the 14th, means that government shouldn't pay for
it or organize it.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York
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If that applied to the public schools, somebody would have sued.
Kevrob
2018-11-30 01:42:26 UTC
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The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Listen to what you want to. The first amendment, and the incorporation
doctrine* derived from the 14th, means that government shouldn't pay for
it or organize it.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York
If that applied to the public schools, somebody would have sued.
There have been lawsuits, Mr "I took one year of law school."

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-latest-controversy-about-under-god-in-the-pledge-of-allegiance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Grove_Unified_School_District_v._Newdow

SCOTUS decided the Newdow suit on standing issues, not on
the establishment nor free exercise clauses. Those could
still be litigated, if some other plaintiff tried again.

As always, IANAL, just someone who has taken undergrad
courses in constitutional law and constitutional history
on my way to my BA in Political Science and History.

Any real attorney, please feel free to correct my take.

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Christopher A. Lee
2018-11-30 02:22:10 UTC
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The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Listen to what you want to. The first amendment, and the incorporation
doctrine* derived from the 14th, means that government shouldn't pay for
it or organize it.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York
If that applied to the public schools, somebody would have sued.
There have been lawsuits, Mr "I took one year of law school."
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-latest-controversy-about-under-god-in-the-pledge-of-allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Grove_Unified_School_District_v._Newdow
SCOTUS decided the Newdow suit on standing issues, not on
the establishment nor free exercise clauses. Those could
still be litigated, if some other plaintiff tried again.
It was a copout, to avoid making an unpopular decision, even though
that would have been the only legitimate one.
Post by Kevrob
As always, IANAL, just someone who has taken undergrad
courses in constitutional law and constitutional history
on my way to my BA in Political Science and History.
Any real attorney, please feel free to correct my take.
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The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Listen to what you want to. The first amendment, and the incorporation
doctrine* derived from the 14th, means that government shouldn't pay for
it or organize it.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York
If that applied to the public schools, somebody would have sued.
There have been lawsuits, Mr "I took one year of law school."
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-latest-controversy-about-under-god-in-the-pledge-of-allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Grove_Unified_School_District_v._Newdow
SCOTUS decided the Newdow suit on standing issues, not on
the establishment nor free exercise clauses. Those could
still be litigated, if some other plaintiff tried again.
It was a copout, to avoid making an unpopular decision, even though
that would have been the only legitimate one.
Post by Kevrob
As always, IANAL, just someone who has taken undergrad
courses in constitutional law and constitutional history
on my way to my BA in Political Science and History.
Any real attorney, please feel free to correct my take.
I am not an attorney and never said I was one.
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The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Listen to what you want to. The first amendment, and the incorporation
doctrine* derived from the 14th, means that government shouldn't pay for
it or organize it.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York
If that applied to the public schools, somebody would have sued.
There have been lawsuits, Mr "I took one year of law school."
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-latest-controversy-about-under-god-in-the-pledge-of-allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Grove_Unified_School_District_v._Newdow
SCOTUS decided the Newdow suit on standing issues, not on
the establishment nor free exercise clauses. Those could
still be litigated, if some other plaintiff tried again.
It was a copout, to avoid making an unpopular decision, even though
that would have been the only legitimate one.
Post by Kevrob
As always, IANAL, just someone who has taken undergrad
courses in constitutional law and constitutional history
on my way to my BA in Political Science and History.
Any real attorney, please feel free to correct my take.
I am not an attorney and never said I was one.
This, again.

You claimed to have attended law school, and to have been a
prosecutor in the Navy. Any casual observer would have
assumed that:

a) you completed your JD or LLd and
b) that prosecutors have to be lawyers, even in the Navy.

You got called on it, and backpedaled.

See:

[QUOTE]

From this thread:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.atheism/Z7WuuRq0g4g

Message-ID: <6e79539f-2606-4301-9f68-***@googlegroups.com>

{QUOTE}

Tandy did, at least once, call himself a Naval Prosecutor, and
told us he attended U of I Law without bothering to tell us
he withdrew after 1 year: a "lie by omission."

[quote]

I attended Law school at the University of Illinois in
Champaign. You can check their records if you don't believe
me. I also practiced criminal law as a prosecutor in the Navy
for 4 years.
[quote] from:

Message-ID: <0f190f59-c420-4005-b918-***@m5g2000prh.googlegroups.com>

22 July, 2011
See also:

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3C0f190f59-c420-4005-b918-78c673c26af2%40m5g2000prh.googlegroups.com%3E OR

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!original/alt.atheism/aod7Q3zB-b4/nYrs2c3fGWgJ

Note he didn't originally tell us he attended UofI Law for 1 year,
allowing those who don't read closely to assume he went the full 3.
"Lying by omission," the good faddas and sistas called it back when
I was in Catholic school.

Now, is it fair to claim being a non-JAG "legal officer" on
board ship to be "practicing law?" State bar associations
would probably say "no."

It's easy to deal with this, Tandy. Just say "I expressed that
incorrectly."

{/Quote}

I still say, that when one claims to have "practiced law," that is
an equivalent claim to "I am/was a lawyer."

Practicing law without a license is generally not permitted in
the US, though there are paralegals and some limited license
legal technicians in states like Washington. Since the Navy
would follow its own rules, under Federal, not state law, Tandy
doing what he did do was perfectly legal. He certainly wasn't a
JAG lawyer, though, or anything near it. And rules for non-lawyers
doing work that used to be the sole province of licensed lawyers have
loosened over the years. A paralegal may work in a law practice,
but isn't a full-fledged lawyer.

Again, the record has been corrected, but let's not forget that
Tandy tried to slide this past us, in a case of "claiming false
expertise," but got caught.

[/QUOTE]

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/InBSUyKKuRw/rLznMf7KEAAJ

You can claim you never tried to bamboozle the group on this
point, but your words are in the Google archive for anyone to read.
They can make their own minds up as to whether you were claiming
false expertise. Your repeated denials are irrelevant.

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The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Listen to what you want to. The first amendment, and the incorporation
doctrine* derived from the 14th, means that government shouldn't pay for
it or organize it.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York
If that applied to the public schools, somebody would have sued.
There have been lawsuits, Mr "I took one year of law school."
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-latest-controversy-about-under-god-in-the-pledge-of-allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Grove_Unified_School_District_v._Newdow
SCOTUS decided the Newdow suit on standing issues, not on
the establishment nor free exercise clauses. Those could
still be litigated, if some other plaintiff tried again.
It was a copout, to avoid making an unpopular decision, even though
that would have been the only legitimate one.
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As always, IANAL, just someone who has taken undergrad
courses in constitutional law and constitutional history
on my way to my BA in Political Science and History.
Any real attorney, please feel free to correct my take.
I am not an attorney and never said I was one.
This, again.
You claimed to have attended law school, and to have been a
prosecutor in the Navy. Any casual observer would have
a) you completed your JD or LLd and
b) that prosecutors have to be lawyers, even in the Navy.
You got called on it, and backpedaled.
[QUOTE]
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.atheism/Z7WuuRq0g4g
{QUOTE}
Tandy did, at least once, call himself a Naval Prosecutor, and
told us he attended U of I Law without bothering to tell us
he withdrew after 1 year: a "lie by omission."
[quote]
I attended Law school at the University of Illinois in
Champaign. You can check their records if you don't believe
me. I also practiced criminal law as a prosecutor in the Navy
for 4 years.
22 July, 2011
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3C0f190f59-c420-4005-b918-78c673c26af2%40m5g2000prh.googlegroups.com%3E OR
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!original/alt.atheism/aod7Q3zB-b4/nYrs2c3fGWgJ
Note he didn't originally tell us he attended UofI Law for 1 year,
allowing those who don't read closely to assume he went the full 3.
"Lying by omission," the good faddas and sistas called it back when
I was in Catholic school.
Now, is it fair to claim being a non-JAG "legal officer" on
board ship to be "practicing law?" State bar associations
would probably say "no."
It's easy to deal with this, Tandy. Just say "I expressed that
incorrectly."
{/Quote}
I still say, that when one claims to have "practiced law," that is
an equivalent claim to "I am/was a lawyer."
Practicing law without a license is generally not permitted in
the US, though there are paralegals and some limited license
legal technicians in states like Washington. Since the Navy
would follow its own rules, under Federal, not state law, Tandy
doing what he did do was perfectly legal. He certainly wasn't a
JAG lawyer, though, or anything near it. And rules for non-lawyers
doing work that used to be the sole province of licensed lawyers have
loosened over the years. A paralegal may work in a law practice,
but isn't a full-fledged lawyer.
Again, the record has been corrected, but let's not forget that
Tandy tried to slide this past us, in a case of "claiming false
expertise," but got caught.
[/QUOTE]
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.atheism/InBSUyKKuRw/rLznMf7KEAAJ
You can claim you never tried to bamboozle the group on this
point, but your words are in the Google archive for anyone to read.
They can make their own minds up as to whether you were claiming
false expertise. Your repeated denials are irrelevant.
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ROTFL! I have described my education and navy training to numerous people
outside this ng and NONE of them ever assumed I was a lawyer..
A few of them asked me if I was and I said NO.
You atheists push this crap just because you want to paint me as a liar.
It won't work, since any ambiguity in my words was resolved by my posted statement than I am not and never was a lawyer.
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The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Listen to what you want to. The first amendment, and the incorporation
doctrine* derived from the 14th, means that government shouldn't pay for
it or organize it.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York
If that applied to the public schools, somebody would have sued.
There have been lawsuits, Mr "I took one year of law school."
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-latest-controversy-about-under-god-in-the-pledge-of-allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Grove_Unified_School_District_v._Newdow
SCOTUS decided the Newdow suit on standing issues, not on
the establishment nor free exercise clauses. Those could
still be litigated, if some other plaintiff tried again.
As always, IANAL, just someone who has taken undergrad
courses in constitutional law and constitutional history
on my way to my BA in Political Science and History.
Any real attorney, please feel free to correct my take.
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From wikipedia:


In August 2005, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit held 3–0 in Myers v. Loudoun County Public Schools that teacher-led recitations of the Pledge did not violate the Establishment Clause. The Plaintiff in that case, Edward Myers, decided not to appeal the case to the Supreme Court.


It makes sense. The first amendment says the govt may not favor one religion over others, and the pledge does not do that. Just mentioning God does not
violate that rule.

You don't care what the Constitution says. You're a militant atheist who wants to eliminate religion.
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The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Listen to what you want to. The first amendment, and the incorporation
doctrine* derived from the 14th, means that government shouldn't pay for
it or organize it.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York
If that applied to the public schools, somebody would have sued.
There have been lawsuits, Mr "I took one year of law school."
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-latest-controversy-about-under-god-in-the-pledge-of-allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Grove_Unified_School_District_v._Newdow
SCOTUS decided the Newdow suit on standing issues, not on
the establishment nor free exercise clauses. Those could
still be litigated, if some other plaintiff tried again.
As always, IANAL, just someone who has taken undergrad
courses in constitutional law and constitutional history
on my way to my BA in Political Science and History.
Any real attorney, please feel free to correct my take.
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In August 2005, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit held 3–0 in Myers v. Loudoun County Public Schools that teacher-led recitations of the Pledge did not violate the Establishment Clause. The Plaintiff in that case, Edward Myers, decided not to appeal the case to the Supreme Court.
It makes sense. The first amendment says the govt may not favor one religion over others, and the pledge does not do that. Just mentioning God does not
violate that rule.
It says "no establishment of religion."

That has been interpreted as not favoring one religion over
another, nor RELIGION OVER IRRELIGION.

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_v._Kurtzman
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You don't care what the Constitution says.
I care about what it says, and also what it ought to say.
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You're a militant atheist
Outside the confines of this group? No.
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....who wants to eliminate religion.
I'd consider it an improvement for society if people
were _persuaded_ to give up theistic religion, or any
other religion powered by woo-woo, and adopt a naturalistic
view of the universe. I wouldn't outlaw any of it,
unless we were talking about human sacrifice, involuntary
body mutilation, ghod-approved slavery, etc.

My solution to the "prayer in the schools" question is:
privatize the schools.

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The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Listen to what you want to. The first amendment, and the incorporation
doctrine* derived from the 14th, means that government shouldn't pay for
it or organize it.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York
If that applied to the public schools, somebody would have sued.
There have been lawsuits, Mr "I took one year of law school."
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-latest-controversy-about-under-god-in-the-pledge-of-allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Grove_Unified_School_District_v._Newdow
SCOTUS decided the Newdow suit on standing issues, not on
the establishment nor free exercise clauses. Those could
still be litigated, if some other plaintiff tried again.
As always, IANAL, just someone who has taken undergrad
courses in constitutional law and constitutional history
on my way to my BA in Political Science and History.
Any real attorney, please feel free to correct my take.
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In August 2005, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit held 3–0 in Myers v. Loudoun County Public Schools that teacher-led recitations of the Pledge did not violate the Establishment Clause. The Plaintiff in that case, Edward Myers, decided not to appeal the case to the Supreme Court.
It makes sense. The first amendment says the govt may not favor one religion over others, and the pledge does not do that. Just mentioning God does not
violate that rule.
It says "no establishment of religion."
That has been interpreted as not favoring one religion over
another, nor RELIGION OVER IRRELIGION.
see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_v._Kurtzman
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You don't care what the Constitution says.
I care about what it says, and also what it ought to say.
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You're a militant atheist
Outside the confines of this group? No.
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....who wants to eliminate religion.
I'd consider it an improvement for society if people
were _persuaded_ to give up theistic religion, or any
other religion powered by woo-woo, and adopt a naturalistic
view of the universe. I wouldn't outlaw any of it,
unless we were talking about human sacrifice, involuntary
body mutilation, ghod-approved slavery, etc.
privatize the schools.
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https://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/05/29/us-appeals-court-in-god-we-trust-on-currency-not-a-violation-of-first-amendment/
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The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
I listen to all sorts of things that I never take seriously.
I read Christian theology and atheist lies and it don't matter.
Listen to what you want to. The first amendment, and the incorporation
doctrine* derived from the 14th, means that government shouldn't pay for
it or organize it.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlow_v._New_York
If that applied to the public schools, somebody would have sued.
There have been lawsuits, Mr "I took one year of law school."
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-latest-controversy-about-under-god-in-the-pledge-of-allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_Grove_Unified_School_District_v._Newdow
SCOTUS decided the Newdow suit on standing issues, not on
the establishment nor free exercise clauses. Those could
still be litigated, if some other plaintiff tried again.
As always, IANAL, just someone who has taken undergrad
courses in constitutional law and constitutional history
on my way to my BA in Political Science and History.
Any real attorney, please feel free to correct my take.
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In August 2005, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit held 3–0 in Myers v. Loudoun County Public Schools that teacher-led recitations of the Pledge did not violate the Establishment Clause. The Plaintiff in that case, Edward Myers, decided not to appeal the case to the Supreme Court.
It makes sense. The first amendment says the govt may not favor one religion over others, and the pledge does not do that. Just mentioning God does not
violate that rule.
It says "no establishment of religion."
That has been interpreted as not favoring one religion over
another, nor RELIGION OVER IRRELIGION.
see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_v._Kurtzman
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You don't care what the Constitution says.
I care about what it says, and also what it ought to say.
Post by v***@gmail.com
You're a militant atheist
Outside the confines of this group? No.
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....who wants to eliminate religion.
I'd consider it an improvement for society if people
were _persuaded_ to give up theistic religion, or any
other religion powered by woo-woo, and adopt a naturalistic
view of the universe. I wouldn't outlaw any of it,
unless we were talking about human sacrifice, involuntary
body mutilation, ghod-approved slavery, etc.
privatize the schools.
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https://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/05/29/us-appeals-court-in-god-we-trust-on-currency-not-a-violation-of-first-amendment/
That's a different case that Newdow brought, to get the religious motto
taken off the currency and coinage.

He wasn't able to get it to SCOTUS. Aronow v. United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aronow_v._United_States

..decided at the 9th circuit, was a controlling precedent.

This is the ridiculous part:

[quote]

It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on
coinage and currency "In God We Trust" has nothing whatsoever
to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic
or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental
sponsorship of a religious exercise....

[/quote] - Bruce R. Thompson, writing for the 9th circuit

Note: SCOTUS hasn't ruled on this issue.

https://openjurist.org/432/f2d/242/aronow-v-united-states

They allowed the religious statement by claiming it was
religiously insignificant!!!!!

If I were religious, I'd consider that an insult to whatever
ghod(z) I believed in.

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[quote]
"An atheistic American is a contradiction in terms," {George}
Docherty said in his sermon. "If you deny the Christian
ethic, you fall short of the American ideal of life."
[/quote] - WaPo article by By Rachel Siegel June 14
LINK:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/06/14/the-gripping-sermon-that-got-under-god-added-to-the-pledge-of-allegiance-on-flag-day/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b07516aa8234

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So, you are willing to support taking religious mottoes
off our money, flags, and public buildings, and reverting
the Pledge of Allegiance to its pre-1950s SECULAR wording?
The Pledge comes from the Flag Code, which is advisory, not mandatory.
The Pledge predates the "Flag Code," which wasn't official until 1923.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
Current law is what matters, ignoramus
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Supreme ct cases have ruled that nobody can be required to say the pledge.
Units of government still spend money promoting it,
EVIDENCE??????????
Any public school that starts the day with the pledge
is funded by tax dollars. Yes, students can refuse to
participate, but I wrote PROMOTE, not MANDATE.
The kids still have to sit or stand and listen to it.
[quote]
"An atheistic American is a contradiction in terms," {George}
Docherty said in his sermon. "If you deny the Christian
ethic, you fall short of the American ideal of life."
[/quote] - WaPo article by By Rachel Siegel June 14
"The gripping sermon that got 'under God' added to the
Pledge of Allegiance on Flag Day" quotes an asshole preacher
who had Eisenhower in his audience back in 1954. He basically
draws a cirle that pushes all non-believers in the Abramic ghod
outside, marking them as not really Americans. Bastard.
Eisenhower's own words as he signed it into law, showed that it was
unconstitutional. From an amicus curiae brief in the Newdow pledge
trial....

https://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Adler/Politics/newdow.irons.pdf

"From this day forward the millions of our school-children will daily
proclaim.... the dedication of our Nation and our people to the
Almighty" 100 Cong. Rec 8617 (1954)

He might have been a brilliant general during WW2, but he was a lousy
President.

We have this bastard to thank for much of the general hostility
towards atheists in the USA. Even daddy Bush quoted the pledge to
justify his remarks that atheists shouldn't be citizens and couldn't
be patriotic because "this is one nation under god".

The Supreme Court copped out so they wouldn't have to make a ruling
that would upset the Christian majority, when they ruled that Newdow
had no standing to bring the case.
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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Wrong, "Ray." Atheist don't be;ieve in any ghodz.
No beliefs required.
I sometimes use my middle name.
With a name as common as "Jones," Ken and Ray might not
even ne related, let alone the same guy. I take it this is
you admitting the 2 nyms are 1 person?
I set up my home computer with Ken the name my mother
and family called me, at work, the tec put Ray my computer
because there were 5 other Kens in the office. I kinda like
it that way, because If someone calls me ken I know it's not
work.
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My point is: you cannot know!
I can't KNOW that Cu Chulainn isn't playing at hurling
in your sock drawer, either, but thar's the way to bet.
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Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
I frequently run into believers who claim "they KNOW!!!"
Not just believe, but know.
They are being dishonest. Religion is based on faith not
knowledge.
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For atheists, the "ghod question" is irrelevant,
until the theists shove it in our faces by, for
example, trolling an atheist newsgroup.
You call it trolling, but this _is_ a public newsgroup.
So, anyone who wishes to is free to do so.
You may post, but you are a troll for not following the
charter and FAQ.
I'm sorry I'm not acquainted with this.
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[quote]
The Cat-Herding Rules and Regulations of alt.atheism and Some Information
1) All are welcome in the newsgroup, whether they're atheists or not, as
long as they are not trolls.
2) Proselytizing of ANY religion is NOT welcome! (Those guilty of this bad
nettiquette will be treated as they deserve!)
3) This newsgroup exists for atheists to discuss anything of interest
to them and other atheists, although others who are honestly
interested in joining a discussion and are not trolls are
welcome. Trolls will be treated as what they are.
In this context, I don't know what the meaning of a troll is.
I am not trying to win converts to my religion. That's not
my purpose.
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[/quote] -
http://web.archive.org/web/20160314200548/http://alt-atheism.org/atheism:faq
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The really important annoyance for us is those trying to
get the government to finance shoving the nonsense down
our throats; established churches, mandating the teaching of
religious beliefs in taxpayer-funded schools, etc.
This seems to be the case of a few extremist fundamentalist.
So, you are willing to support taking religious mottoes
off our money, flags, and public buildings, and reverting
the Pledge of Allegiance to its pre-1950s SECULAR wording?
I don't really care
one way or the other. It matters not!
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Your denomination will be funding its military chaplains,
On the point, due to the fact that there are religious
military men in harms way, a Chaplain of their faith
especially when wounded would be important to the man.
It would be heartless to deny him such a person.
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rather than the taxpayers, from now on? Same for chaplains
for other state institutions, like the Congress?
Here again I don't care one way or the other.
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Good for you if you are.
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So, how is one better off than the other?
Isn't not being with unsubstantiated beliefs, and therefore
having a more accurate view of reality objectively a better
thing?
OF course theist also think they are being objective.
Seriously? People who think "I know it in my heart"
is evidence are OBJECTIVE?
That not evidence.
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But the theist has hope there is something
better after this life.
"This life?" You act as if you get more than one. Are
you a Hindu, then?
No, This is another belief of most theist.
An unsubstantiated one. We have no evidence of any
afterlife, though spiritualist charlatans make a lot
of money faking communication with "the other side."
Not all of them are priests or ministers, either.
No, but I know of a case of a 3 year old child who drown
in the family swimming pool and was under for at least 6
minutes. She talked about things that happened, that she
shouldn't know about, after she was brought back.
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You are born, and you live. You make the most of life.
Eventually, you die. Entropy gets us all, at least so far.
Pretending your consciousness will survive death is a fantasy.
Here again is belief. Not having experience death, you cannot
know for certain. You only have belief!
It's not "belief," it's a working hypothesis.
Note the qualification: "Entropy gets us all,
[caps added for emphasis]...AT LEAST SO FAR."
Now, Kenray and Rayken, please follow the FAQ or
butt out.
[quote]
Whoever will not receive you or listen to your words -
go outside that house or town and shake the dust from your feet.
[/quote] Matt 10:14 - http://www.usccb.org/bible/mt/10
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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
But use common sense. If I were to tell you I can turn myself invisible any time I wanted to, wouldn't you expect ME to prove it? Why would YOU have to disprove it. After all, I may not want to turn invisible for you.

See the problem. You theists insist God exists, provide no irrefutable proof of it whatever, then turn around and demand the atheist disprove it.

What's the problem? If you're so certain God exists, provide us with some irrefutable proof of it. And, more importantly, theists have to quit proselytizing in regards to something they have no proof whatever of in an ATHEIST forum.
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So, how is one better off than the other?
Because you have no irrefutable proof whatever you're telling the truth about "God." And the atheist certainly doesn't have to disprove a negative. It's YOU making the claim. So prove it.
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But the theist has hope there is something
better after this life. What is the atheist hope?
After this life? Aren't you assuming something you cannot possibly hope to prove true?
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http://jtem.tumblr.com/post/180426112768
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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
But use common sense. If I were to tell you I can turn myself invisible any time I wanted to, wouldn't you expect ME to prove it? Why would YOU have to disprove it. After all, I may not want to turn invisible for you.
Good point, but I would say that no one including you believes this,
which is a significant difference. The overwhelming majority of people
do believe in a God of some sort. And by the same token there are
some people who believe there is no God. So, there are real beliefs
verses an unreal belief which you proposed.
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See the problem. You theists insist God exists, provide no irrefutable proof of it whatever, then turn around and demand the atheist disprove it.
If it could be proven, then there would be no room for belief.
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What's the problem? If you're so certain God exists, provide us with some irrefutable proof of it. And, more importantly, theists have to quit proselytizing in regards to something they have no proof whatever of in an ATHEIST forum.
I believe God exist, but I do not pretend that I am able to offer
irrefutable proof. But as I see it, without any empirical evidence,
there can never be proof in either case. But do you not see the
impossibility of proof. In fact neither science nor religion is
in the proof business.
Post by Greywolf
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
So, how is one better off than the other?
Because you have no irrefutable proof whatever you're telling the truth about "God." And the atheist certainly doesn't have to disprove a negative. It's YOU making the claim. So prove it.
Here again proof is impossible. Besides all I ever claim is that
scientific evidence indicates that believe in the existence of a
designer is the _better_ option.
Post by Greywolf
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
But the theist has hope there is something
better after this life. What is the atheist hope?
After this life? Aren't you assuming something you cannot possibly hope to prove true?
I have not always been a believer. Until my early 40s I had no beliefs
at all regarding this subject. Nor do I claim to be able to prove
anything. But it's a chance I'm willing to take.
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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
But use common sense. If I were to tell you I can turn myself invisible any time I wanted to, wouldn't you expect ME to prove it? Why would YOU have to disprove it. After all, I may not want to turn invisible for you.
Good point, but I would say that no one including you believes this,
which is a significant difference.
A massive amount of people believing something doesn't prove it true. Look at the ancient Greeks. Many a Greek was slaughtered when the Persians sacked Athens. They didn't flee like they were warned to do because they believed the gods would save them. So belief is no proof of God.

The overwhelming majority of people
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
do believe in a God of some sort. And by the same token there are
some people who believe there is no God. So, there are real beliefs
verses an unreal belief which you proposed.
But it's disbelief based on the complete and total lack of irrefutable proof of ANY deity existing. Not a stitch of irrefutable proof since day one to the present. The atheist is on solid footing. Theists certainly are not.
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Post by Greywolf
See the problem. You theists insist God exists, provide no irrefutable proof of it whatever, then turn around and demand the atheist disprove it.
If it could be proven, then there would be no room for belief.
That's true. But so what? Why is it important to believe in something that cannot possibly be proven true?

I, for one, would become a God Believer in a heartbeat given irrefutable proof of His existence. There would be absolutely no reason not to.
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Post by Greywolf
What's the problem? If you're so certain God exists, provide us with some irrefutable proof of it. And, more importantly, theists have to quit proselytizing in regards to something they have no proof whatever of in an ATHEIST forum.
I believe God exist, but I do not pretend that I am able to offer
irrefutable proof. But as I see it, without any empirical evidence,
there can never be proof in either case.
But the atheist isn't the one claiming God does, indeed, exist. The burden of proof, then, lies on the theist's shoulders. And if the theist cannot provide a speck of irrefutable proof of God's existence, there's no reason whatever to believe God does exist.

But do you not see the
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impossibility of proof.
I do. But then why claim something is real when there's no real evidence for it. What? The sun, the birds, the sky all "prove" God exists? That's just plain silly.

In fact neither science nor religion is
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in the proof business.
Yes, the God Believer is claiming God exists. Therefore the God Believer should prove it or shut up. And, especially, not invade a "home" of the atheists to proselytize religious beliefs we find offensive.
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Post by Greywolf
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So, how is one better off than the other?
This forum is a wonderful place to ask the atheist why they are an atheist; what led them to conclude there was no God, etc. The Christian should most certainly contest the atheist. But if proven wrong, admit it.

Here's an example of what I mean: Mark 8:31 contradicts Matthew 16:21. Yet not a SINGLE so-called Christian plaguing this forum will admit it. See what I mean? How is one to have a reasoned discussion with individuals who absolutely refuse to admit they're wrong? What purpose do they serve here?
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Post by Greywolf
Because you have no irrefutable proof whatever you're telling the truth about "God." And the atheist certainly doesn't have to disprove a negative. It's YOU making the claim. So prove it.
Here again proof is impossible. Besides all I ever claim is that
scientific evidence indicates that believe in the existence of a
designer is the _better_ option.
No, because no one can explain where this "Designer" got its supernatural powers and intelligence from. Worse, Trinitarian Christians have THREE eternal beings. Where did the other two come from?

A better option is to assume God was sired by Momma and Pappa God.
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Post by Greywolf
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But the theist has hope there is something
better after this life. What is the atheist hope?
After this life? Aren't you assuming something you cannot possibly hope to prove true?
I have not always been a believer. Until my early 40s I had no beliefs
at all regarding this subject. Nor do I claim to be able to prove
anything. But it's a chance I'm willing to take.
And the atheist is just fine assuming that once dead, that's it.

You don't believe in a God who's going to condemn the atheist to eternal suffering for simple unbelief, do you?
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Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
But use common sense. If I were to tell you I can turn myself invisible any time I wanted to, wouldn't you expect ME to prove it? Why would YOU have to disprove it. After all, I may not want to turn invisible for you.
Good point, but I would say that no one including you believes this,
which is a significant difference.
A massive amount of people believing something doesn't prove it true.
In most cases I agree, but to turn invisible, no one including you
believers this. But theist believe a God exist.
Look at the ancient Greeks. Many a Greek was slaughtered when the
Persians sacked Athens. They didn't flee like they were warned to do
because they believed the gods would save them. So belief is no proof of
God.
You have to take measures to save yourself. You cannot just step off a
1000ft cliff and expect your belief in God will save you. That's insane.
And no religion teaches any such. There are some fundamentalist who
handle poisonous snakes and from time to time someone dies from
snake bite. I see this as no different from the 1000 ft cliff. In my
view this too is insane. They are tempting God.
Post by Greywolf
The overwhelming majority of people
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
do believe in a God of some sort. And by the same token there are
some people who believe there is no God. So, there are real beliefs
verses an unreal belief which you proposed.
But it's disbelief based on the complete and total lack of irrefutable proof of ANY deity existing. Not a stitch of irrefutable proof since day one to the present. The atheist is on solid footing. Theists certainly are not.
You are expecting too much. The only facts for which there is
irrefutable proof is death, taxes and maybe arithmetic.
But not even science claims to have irrefutable proof, because
some theory might be falsified by a new discovery next week;
next month or next year.
Post by Greywolf
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Greywolf
See the problem. You theists insist God exists, provide no irrefutable proof of it whatever, then turn around and demand the atheist disprove it.
If it could be proven, then there would be no room for belief.
That's true. But so what? Why is it important to believe in something that cannot possibly be proven true?
My experience with mainstream churches they all teach that religion is a
matter of faith.and trust in the Bible. But they never claim proof.
Post by Greywolf
I, for one, would become a God Believer in a heartbeat given irrefutable proof of His existence. There would be absolutely no reason not to.
Then you never will become a believer. But the fact is. you want
knowledge, which is impossible.
Post by Greywolf
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Greywolf
What's the problem? If you're so certain God exists, >>> provide us with some irrefutable proof of it. And, more
importantly, theists have to quit proselytizing in regards to something
they have no proof whatever of in an ATHEIST forum.
Post by Greywolf
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
I believe God exist, but I do not pretend that I am able to offer
irrefutable proof. But as I see it, without any empirical evidence,
there can never be proof in either case.
But the atheist isn't the one claiming God does, indeed, exist. The burden of proof, then, lies on the theist's shoulders. And if the theist cannot provide a speck of irrefutable proof of God's existence, there's no reason whatever to believe God does exist.
Again you are demanding more than is possible. Honest theist do not
claim to have knowledge. To know is not belief nor faith. And faith
is what religion is . >
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I do. But then why claim something is real when there's no real evidence for it. What? The sun, the birds, the sky all "prove" God exists? That's just plain silly.
I agree.
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In fact neither science nor religion is
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in the proof business.
Yes, the God Believer is claiming God exists. Therefore the God Believer should prove it or shut up. And, especially, not invade a "home" of the atheists to proselytize religious beliefs we find offensive.
I believe God exist, I never claim to know it exist. It's a matter of
faith. I have no interest in proselytizing on this Forum. What
originally brought me on board was a heading that I thought unfair
to theist, so I became defensive.
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Post by Greywolf
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So, how is one better off than the other?
This forum is a wonderful place to ask the atheist why they are an atheist; what led them to conclude there was no God, etc. The Christian should most certainly contest the atheist. But if proven wrong, admit it.
I certainly would. I grew up in a Jewish family that attended
weddings, and funerals, but that was about it. So, religion
was never important to me until I was in my 40's. I had earned
a MBA had a high paying job, money in the bank, stocks and
a wife and children. All of which I lost thanks to my exwife
shyster lawyer.
Post by Greywolf
Here's an example of what I mean: Mark 8:31 contradicts Matthew 16:21. Yet not a SINGLE so-called Christian plaguing this forum will admit it. See what I mean? How is one to have a reasoned discussion with individuals who absolutely refuse to admit they're wrong? What purpose do they serve here?
I'm made it a point not to bring the Bible or any religious material
onto this forum and I haven't wittingly or intentionally done so,
because I realize it would be pointless. But you did! So, I quoted
both verses below. The differences I see, Is one names the city,
the other does not. Both say he must suffer and be killed. One says
after three days he rise again. The other say on the third day he
will be raised again.

I'm sorry, I tried hard to find the contradiction, and I've failed.
These are two different people describing the same scenes, and it
seems to me, their wording is somewhat different, but the same scene
is described. Please explain your observation of the contradiction.
For your convenience just below are the 2 verses.
Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer
many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests,
and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Matt. 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples,
how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders
and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the
third day.
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Post by Greywolf
Because you have no irrefutable proof whatever you're telling the truth about "God." And the atheist certainly doesn't have to disprove a negative. It's YOU making the claim. So prove it.
Here again proof is impossible. Besides all I ever claim is that
scientific evidence indicates that believe in the existence of a
designer is the _better_ option.
No, because no one can explain where this "Designer" got its supernatural powers and intelligence from. Worse, Trinitarian Christians have THREE eternal beings. Where did the other two come from?
These are impossible demands which there is no chance of meeting.
There is no way to know.
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A better option is to assume God was sired by Momma and Pappa God.
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Post by Greywolf
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But the theist has hope there is something
better after this life. What is the atheist hope?
After this life? Aren't you assuming something you cannot possibly hope to prove true?
I have not always been a believer. Until my early 40s I had no beliefs
at all regarding this subject. Nor do I claim to be able to prove
anything. But it's a chance I'm willing to take.
And the atheist is just fine assuming that once dead, that's it.
You don't believe in a God who's going to condemn the atheist to eternal suffering for simple unbelief, do you?
I do not. I think honesty takes priority. I suspect that my responses to
you do more to confirm your stance than to challenge your position.

So, be it!

You are refreshing and

I sincerely thank you.
Ken
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Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
But use common sense. If I were to tell you I can turn myself invisible any time I wanted to, wouldn't you expect ME to prove it? Why would YOU have to disprove it. After all, I may not want to turn invisible for you.
Good point, but I would say that no one including you believes this,
which is a significant difference.
A massive amount of people believing something doesn't prove it true.
In most cases I agree, but to turn invisible, no one including you
believers this. But theist believe a God exist.
Look at the ancient Greeks. Many a Greek was slaughtered when the
Persians sacked Athens. They didn't flee like they were warned to do
because they believed the gods would save them. So belief is no proof of
God.
You have to take measures to save yourself. You cannot just step off a
1000ft cliff and expect your belief in God will save you. That's insane.
And no religion teaches any such. There are some fundamentalist who
handle poisonous snakes and from time to time someone dies from
snake bite. I see this as no different from the 1000 ft cliff. In my
view this too is insane. They are tempting God.
Post by Greywolf
The overwhelming majority of people
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
do believe in a God of some sort. And by the same token there are
some people who believe there is no God. So, there are real beliefs
verses an unreal belief which you proposed.
But it's disbelief based on the complete and total lack of irrefutable proof of ANY deity existing. Not a stitch of irrefutable proof since day one to the present. The atheist is on solid footing. Theists certainly are not.
You are expecting too much. The only facts for which there is
irrefutable proof is death, taxes and maybe arithmetic.
But not even science claims to have irrefutable proof, because
some theory might be falsified by a new discovery next week;
next month or next year.
Post by Greywolf
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Greywolf
See the problem. You theists insist God exists, provide no irrefutable proof of it whatever, then turn around and demand the atheist disprove it.
If it could be proven, then there would be no room for belief.
That's true. But so what? Why is it important to believe in something that cannot possibly be proven true?
My experience with mainstream churches they all teach that religion is a
matter of faith.and trust in the Bible. But they never claim proof.
Correct, but the atheists who post here lie and claim religious beliefs are statements of fact. The funny part is they claim the bible is lies, but never prove that.. They never learn.

I have never heard any clergyman claim his religious beliefs are fact.
Anyone who cannot distinguish statements of belief from statements of fact is just plain stupid.
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Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
But use common sense. If I were to tell you I can turn myself invisible any time I wanted to, wouldn't you expect ME to prove it? Why would YOU have to disprove it. After all, I may not want to turn invisible for you.
Good point, but I would say that no one including you believes this,
which is a significant difference.
A massive amount of people believing something doesn't prove it true.
In most cases I agree, but to turn invisible, no one including you
believers this. But theist believe a God exist.
Look at the ancient Greeks. Many a Greek was slaughtered when the
Persians sacked Athens. They didn't flee like they were warned to do
because they believed the gods would save them. So belief is no proof of
God.
You have to take measures to save yourself. You cannot just step off a
1000ft cliff and expect your belief in God will save you. That's insane.
And no religion teaches any such. There are some fundamentalist who
handle poisonous snakes and from time to time someone dies from
snake bite. I see this as no different from the 1000 ft cliff. In my
view this too is insane. They are tempting God.
Post by Greywolf
The overwhelming majority of people
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
do believe in a God of some sort. And by the same token there are
some people who believe there is no God. So, there are real beliefs
verses an unreal belief which you proposed.
But it's disbelief based on the complete and total lack of irrefutable proof of ANY deity existing. Not a stitch of irrefutable proof since day one to the present. The atheist is on solid footing. Theists certainly are not.
You are expecting too much. The only facts for which there is
irrefutable proof is death, taxes and maybe arithmetic.
But not even science claims to have irrefutable proof, because
some theory might be falsified by a new discovery next week;
next month or next year.
Post by Greywolf
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Greywolf
See the problem. You theists insist God exists, provide no irrefutable proof of it whatever, then turn around and demand the atheist disprove it.
If it could be proven, then there would be no room for belief.
That's true. But so what? Why is it important to believe in something that cannot possibly be proven true?
My experience with mainstream churches they all teach that religion is a
matter of faith.and trust in the Bible. But they never claim proof.
Correct, but the atheists who post here lie and claim religious beliefs are statements of fact. The funny part is they claim the bible is lies, but never prove that.. They never learn.
What planet do you live on? Watch any Christian TV program and they state God is real? I'v yet to see a Christian TV program where the host says, "Now folks, remember we BELIEVE God exists but have no irrefutable proof of it,"

You're just lying.
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I have never heard any clergyman claim his religious beliefs are fact.
Anyone who cannot distinguish statements of belief from statements of fact is just plain stupid.
It's obvious that you're the stupid one if you think Christian preachers never say "God is real."
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Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
But use common sense. If I were to tell you I can turn myself invisible any time I wanted to, wouldn't you expect ME to prove it? Why would YOU have to disprove it. After all, I may not want to turn invisible for you.
Good point, but I would say that no one including you believes this,
which is a significant difference.
A massive amount of people believing something doesn't prove it true.
In most cases I agree, but to turn invisible, no one including you
believers this. But theist believe a God exist.
Look at the ancient Greeks. Many a Greek was slaughtered when the
Persians sacked Athens. They didn't flee like they were warned to do
because they believed the gods would save them. So belief is no proof of
God.
You have to take measures to save yourself. You cannot just step off a
1000ft cliff and expect your belief in God will save you. That's insane.
And no religion teaches any such. There are some fundamentalist who
handle poisonous snakes and from time to time someone dies from
snake bite. I see this as no different from the 1000 ft cliff. In my
view this too is insane. They are tempting God.
Post by Greywolf
The overwhelming majority of people
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
do believe in a God of some sort. And by the same token there are
some people who believe there is no God. So, there are real beliefs
verses an unreal belief which you proposed.
But it's disbelief based on the complete and total lack of irrefutable proof of ANY deity existing. Not a stitch of irrefutable proof since day one to the present. The atheist is on solid footing. Theists certainly are not.
You are expecting too much. The only facts for which there is
irrefutable proof is death, taxes and maybe arithmetic.
But not even science claims to have irrefutable proof, because
some theory might be falsified by a new discovery next week;
next month or next year.
Post by Greywolf
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Greywolf
See the problem. You theists insist God exists, provide no irrefutable proof of it whatever, then turn around and demand the atheist disprove it.
If it could be proven, then there would be no room for belief.
That's true. But so what? Why is it important to believe in something that cannot possibly be proven true?
My experience with mainstream churches they all teach that religion is a
matter of faith.and trust in the Bible. But they never claim proof.
Correct, but the atheists who post here lie and claim religious beliefs are statements of fact. The funny part is they claim the bible is lies, but never prove that.. They never learn.
What planet do you live on? Watch any Christian TV program and they state God is real? I'v yet to see a Christian TV program where the host says, "Now folks, remember we BELIEVE God exists but have no irrefutable proof of it,"
You're just lying.
Post by v***@gmail.com
I have never heard any clergyman claim his religious beliefs are fact.
Anyone who cannot distinguish statements of belief from statements of fact is just plain stupid.
It's obvious that you're the stupid one if you think Christian preachers never say "God is real."
From wikiquote
Faith


Faith is confidence or trust in a person, idea, deity, religion, or any specifiable belief that is not based on proof. While some have argued that many forms of faith are opposed to reason, proponents of faiths argue that the proper domain of faith concerns questions which cannot be settled by evidence, and that rationality and faith are complementary aspects of human perceptual and imaginative capacities. The word faith is often used synonymously for hope, trust, belief, or a religious tradition.
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Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
But use common sense. If I were to tell you I can turn myself invisible any time I wanted to, wouldn't you expect ME to prove it? Why would YOU have to disprove it. After all, I may not want to turn invisible for you.
Good point, but I would say that no one including you believes this,
which is a significant difference.
A massive amount of people believing something doesn't prove it true.
In most cases I agree, but to turn invisible, no one including you
believers this. But theist believe a God exist.
Look at the ancient Greeks. Many a Greek was slaughtered when the
Persians sacked Athens. They didn't flee like they were warned to do
because they believed the gods would save them. So belief is no proof of
God.
You have to take measures to save yourself. You cannot just step off a
1000ft cliff and expect your belief in God will save you. That's insane.
And no religion teaches any such. There are some fundamentalist who
handle poisonous snakes and from time to time someone dies from
snake bite. I see this as no different from the 1000 ft cliff. In my
view this too is insane. They are tempting God.
Post by Greywolf
The overwhelming majority of people
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
do believe in a God of some sort. And by the same token there are
some people who believe there is no God. So, there are real beliefs
verses an unreal belief which you proposed.
But it's disbelief based on the complete and total lack of irrefutable proof of ANY deity existing. Not a stitch of irrefutable proof since day one to the present. The atheist is on solid footing. Theists certainly are not.
You are expecting too much. The only facts for which there is
irrefutable proof is death, taxes and maybe arithmetic.
But not even science claims to have irrefutable proof, because
some theory might be falsified by a new discovery next week;
next month or next year.
Post by Greywolf
Post by Rev. Ken Jones
Post by Greywolf
See the problem. You theists insist God exists, provide no irrefutable proof of it whatever, then turn around and demand the atheist disprove it.
If it could be proven, then there would be no room for belief.
That's true. But so what? Why is it important to believe in something that cannot possibly be proven true?
My experience with mainstream churches they all teach that religion is a
matter of faith.and trust in the Bible. But they never claim proof.
Correct, but the atheists who post here lie and claim religious beliefs are statements of fact. The funny part is they claim the bible is lies, but never prove that.. They never learn.
What planet do you live on? Watch any Christian TV program and they state God is real? I'v yet to see a Christian TV program where the host says, "Now folks, remember we BELIEVE God exists but have no irrefutable proof of it,"
You're just lying.
Post by v***@gmail.com
I have never heard any clergyman claim his religious beliefs are fact.
Anyone who cannot distinguish statements of belief from statements of fact is just plain stupid.
It's obvious that you're the stupid one if you think Christian preachers never say "God is real."
From wikiquote
Faith
Faith is confidence or trust in a person, idea, deity, religion, or any specifiable belief that is not based on proof. While some have argued that many forms of faith are opposed to reason, proponents of faiths argue that the proper domain of faith concerns questions which cannot be settled by evidence, and that rationality and faith are complementary aspects of human perceptual and imaginative capacities. The word faith is often used synonymously for hope, trust, belief, or a religious tradition.
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Nice quote. Now provide a link to a video where a Christian preacher says, "There MIGHT be a God, we BELIEVE there's a God, but there's no proof of it."

Better yet, let's have some so-called Christian like JTEM say it--but not later insist God is real.

Then the question becomes: Why post religious propaganda in an atheist forum? If there's no proof of God's existence, why bother the atheist with meaningless drivel? But we know the theists that plague this forum do it just to be jerks. And in doing so, make a mockery of their religion.
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Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
But use common sense. If I were to tell you I can turn myself invisible any time I wanted to, wouldn't you expect ME to prove it? Why would YOU have to disprove it. After all, I may not want to turn invisible for you.
Good point, but I would say that no one including you believes this,
which is a significant difference.
A massive amount of people believing something doesn't prove it true.
In most cases I agree, but to turn invisible, no one including you
believers this. But theist believe a God exist.
Look at the ancient Greeks. Many a Greek was slaughtered when the
Persians sacked Athens. They didn't flee like they were warned to do
because they believed the gods would save them. So belief is no proof of
God.
You have to take measures to save yourself. You cannot just step off a
1000ft cliff and expect your belief in God will save you.
But many a Christian DOES believe something close to it. Look at the snake-handling Pentecostal Christians of Appalachia. They truly believe their faith makes them virtually immune from getting bitten.

That's insane.
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And no religion teaches any such. There are some fundamentalist who
handle poisonous snakes and from time to time someone dies from
snake bite. I see this as no different from the 1000 ft cliff. In my
view this too is insane. They are tempting God.
Try telling them that there's no God protecting them. They'll laugh in your face.
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The overwhelming majority of people
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do believe in a God of some sort. And by the same token there are
some people who believe there is no God. So, there are real beliefs
verses an unreal belief which you proposed.
But it's disbelief based on the complete and total lack of irrefutable proof of ANY deity existing. Not a stitch of irrefutable proof since day one to the present. The atheist is on solid footing. Theists certainly are not.
You are expecting too much. The only facts for which there is
irrefutable proof is death, taxes and maybe arithmetic.
But not even science claims to have irrefutable proof, because
some theory might be falsified by a new discovery next week;
next month or next year.
But see. Science will discard what has been proven false; always striving to find the truth. You can't say that about religious belief. I could park 50 flat-bed railroad cars with "proof" the Christian faith is bogus and it would be dismissed with a mere wave of the hand. Did-hard Christians will not accept ANYTHING that would prove their faith false.

Look at how not a single so-called Christian in this forum has had the honesty to admit Mark 8:85 contradicts Matthew 16:21 and Luke 9:22. Not a single one. What does *that* tell you about their intellectual honesty?
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See the problem. You theists insist God exists, provide no irrefutable proof of it whatever, then turn around and demand the atheist disprove it.
If it could be proven, then there would be no room for belief.
That's true. But so what? Why is it important to believe in something that cannot possibly be proven true?
My experience with mainstream churches they all teach that religion is a
matter of faith.and trust in the Bible. But they never claim proof.
But they believe it to be true, no matter what. Like not accepting the fact that the Bible has some serious errors, provable errors. But it doesn't matter one whit to the believer. That's okay. But they why come into an atheist forum posting religious propaganda which they cannot possibly prove true? It's offensive. This is an atheist forum, not a theist one.
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I, for one, would become a God Believer in a heartbeat given irrefutable proof of His existence. There would be absolutely no reason not to.
Then you never will become a believer. But the fact is. you want
knowledge, which is impossible.
Why believe in a God that would punish me with ETERNAL suffering due to HIS inability or desire to prove to me He's real?
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What's the problem? If you're so certain God exists, >>> provide us with some irrefutable proof of it. And, more
importantly, theists have to quit proselytizing in regards to something
they have no proof whatever of in an ATHEIST forum.
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I believe God exist, but I do not pretend that I am able to offer
irrefutable proof. But as I see it, without any empirical evidence,
there can never be proof in either case.
But the atheist isn't the one claiming God does, indeed, exist. The burden of proof, then, lies on the theist's shoulders. And if the theist cannot provide a speck of irrefutable proof of God's existence, there's no reason whatever to believe God does exist.
Again you are demanding more than is possible. Honest theist do not
claim to have knowledge.
Why believe in something that there's no real proof of? What does that gain me?


To know is not belief nor faith. And faith
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is what religion is . >
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I do. But then why claim something is real when there's no real evidence for it. What? The sun, the birds, the sky all "prove" God exists? That's just plain silly.
I agree.
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In fact neither science nor religion is
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in the proof business.
Yes, the God Believer is claiming God exists. Therefore the God Believer should prove it or shut up. And, especially, not invade a "home" of the atheists to proselytize religious beliefs we find offensive.
I believe God exist, I never claim to know it exist. It's a matter of
faith. I have no interest in proselytizing on this Forum. What
originally brought me on board was a heading that I thought unfair
to theist, so I became defensive.
I can certainly see you feeling you should defend something that you feel completely unfair. In a civil discussion that topic should be discussed rationally and with mutual respect. Good people can respectfully disagree. And sometimes there will be no "meeting of the minds." The theist and the atheist will never come to full agreement due to the nature of our belief-systems. But the "arguments" should be as cordial as can be. There really is no need for nastiness on the part of either side.

But with that said, I find the trolls that plague this forum troll here for no other reason than to disrespect the atheist as much as possible. Especially when it's done year after year with nothing being accomplished except nastiness being displayed by both sides. But the theists don't belong posting here if all they're doing it for is to be complete jerks.

Granted, there are some truly mentally-ill theist posters whose mental-illness is on full display. And nothing can be done about them. They're truly sick-in-the-head. Still, they don't belong posting here. It would be so much better if borderline Christians posted serious theological questions here, have the atheists give them their take on the subject, and let the Christian decide who's providing the more truthful answers. But that's not how it has worked in this forum as of late.
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So, how is one better off than the other?
This forum is a wonderful place to ask the atheist why they are an atheist; what led them to conclude there was no God, etc. The Christian should most certainly contest the atheist. But if proven wrong, admit it.
I certainly would. I grew up in a Jewish family that attended
weddings, and funerals, but that was about it. So, religion
was never important to me until I was in my 40's. I had earned
a MBA had a high paying job, money in the bank, stocks and
a wife and children. All of which I lost thanks to my exwife
shyster lawyer.
So I see that your religious belief helped you cope with a very difficult situation. And that's fine. But it comes back to what is real and what is not.
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Here's an example of what I mean: Mark 8:31 contradicts Matthew 16:21. Yet not a SINGLE so-called Christian plaguing this forum will admit it. See what I mean? How is one to have a reasoned discussion with individuals who absolutely refuse to admit they're wrong? What purpose do they serve here?
I'm made it a point not to bring the Bible or any religious material
onto this forum and I haven't wittingly or intentionally done so,
because I realize it would be pointless. But you did! So, I quoted
both verses below. The differences I see, Is one names the city,
the other does not. Both say he must suffer and be killed. One says
after three days he rise again. The other say on the third day he
will be raised again.
I'm sorry, I tried hard to find the contradiction,
You bring up a very interesting point because ON the third day COULD mean Monday if you exclude Friday. I have no problem with that. But as you already know, Christianity insists He arose on Sunday. So that's where the legitimate contradiction lies. But it gets worse. In a three-part series of articles I did, Jesus would have had to arise on Saturday if one takes all four of the "empty tomb" stories seriously:

https://theatheistobserver.com/2013/08/14/while-it-was-still-dark/

and I've failed.
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These are two different people describing the same scenes, and it
seems to me, their wording is somewhat different, but the same scene
is described. Please explain your observation of the contradiction.
For your convenience just below are the 2 verses.
Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer
many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests,
and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Note the AFTER three days, which would be Monday. (See also Matthew 12:40.)
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Matt. 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples,
how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders
and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the
third day.
As stated previously, if one begins the "countdown" on Saturday, there's no contradiction. But the Church began the countdown on Friday--leading to a Sunday resurrection. So there is a contradiction here.
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Because you have no irrefutable proof whatever you're telling the truth about "God." And the atheist certainly doesn't have to disprove a negative. It's YOU making the claim. So prove it.
Here again proof is impossible. Besides all I ever claim is that
scientific evidence indicates that believe in the existence of a
designer is the _better_ option.
No, because no one can explain where this "Designer" got its supernatural powers and intelligence from. Worse, Trinitarian Christians have THREE eternal beings. Where did the other two come from?
These are impossible demands which there is no chance of meeting.
There is no way to know.
That's why the atheist has no reason to believe in ONE God, let alone three. It's the Christian insisting we should believe in something they cannot possibly prove true, yet insist we believe based on some kind of unreasonable "faith."
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A better option is to assume God was sired by Momma and Pappa God.
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But the theist has hope there is something
better after this life. What is the atheist hope?
After this life? Aren't you assuming something you cannot possibly hope to prove true?
I have not always been a believer. Until my early 40s I had no beliefs
at all regarding this subject. Nor do I claim to be able to prove
anything. But it's a chance I'm willing to take.
And the atheist is just fine assuming that once dead, that's it.
You don't believe in a God who's going to condemn the atheist to eternal suffering for simple unbelief, do you?
I do not. I think honesty takes priority. I suspect that my responses to
you do more to confirm your stance than to challenge your position.
So, be it!
You are refreshing and
I sincerely thank you.
Ken
And I thank you as well! I can see where you're coming from. And I don't begrudge your choice to be a Christian because some of the finest people I have ever met were Christians. It's just that I'm never going to become a God believer because there just isn't any reason TO become one.

If you'd like, I posted an article back in the day which you may show you my feelings towards the Christians:

https://theatheistobserver.com/2009/05/20/the-atheist-and-the-good-christian/

After looking at the intro-image, I think I'm going to change it.

Take care.
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2018-11-25 18:33:36 UTC
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But use common sense.
As if "Common Sense" has any place what so ever
in a thread where fake a "Atheist" tries to prop
themselves up by ignoring their all too many
faults and exaggerating those of others.





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But use common sense.
As if "Common Sense" has any place what so ever
in a thread where fake a "Atheist" tries to prop
themselves up by ignoring their all too many
faults and exaggerating those of others.
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I have genuine faults. For one, I'm quite nasty to some of you bogus Christians. I know it, and I'd rather not be that way. But you all bring it on yourselves. You don't belong posting here. You contribute nothing of intellectual value to this forum. And that's because most of you so-called Christians are flat-out nuts and pathological liars.

You don't belong here. So take your sorry ass and park it in a theist forum where it belongs, you phony.
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I have genuine faults.
To put it mildly.







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I have genuine faults.
To put it mildly. I have faults way worse than yours. I can't help but snip your replies. That's because I'm nuts. Hope you understand.
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Oh, I've known you're religiously-diseased, brain-diseased, bogus Christian, and a total jerk for quite some time. But hey, if you're so mentally-impaired, you can only thank the God that created you that way. Right?
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I have genuine faults.
To put it mildly. I have faults way worse than yours. I can't help but snip your replies. That's because I'm nuts. Hope you understand.
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Oh, I've known you're religiously-diseased, brain-diseased, bogus Christian, and a total jerk for quite some time. But hey, if you're so mentally-impaired, you can only thank the God that created you that way. Right?
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Your emotional outbreak shows a lack of rational orientation.
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2018-11-29 20:24:59 UTC
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Oh, I've known you're religiously-diseased, brain-diseased, bogus Christian, and a total jerk for quite some time. But hey, if you're so mentally-impaired, you can only thank the God that created you that way. Right?
Hey, grey. That's how I feel about you.

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Oh, I've known you're religiously-diseased, brain-diseased, bogus Christian, and a total jerk for quite some time. But hey, if you're so mentally-impaired, you can only thank the God that created you that way. Right?
Hey, grey. That's how I feel about you.
Maybe. But you ARE mentally-ill and a total jerk for posting here. You offer nothing to this community intellectually-wise. Just a pathetic retard starving for attention.
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2018-11-25 22:58:15 UTC
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But use common sense. If I were to tell you I can turn myself invisible any time I wanted to, wouldn't you expect ME to prove it?
I wouldn't. I'd know you operate on a vacuum head for starters.


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How can a non-believer be
You at you, clinging to dogma as if it was
important... you're precisely what I was
talking about.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Ah! Atheist believe there is no God.
Theist believe there is a God. The truth is
no one knows with any degree of certainty.
So, how is one better off than the other?
But the theist has hope there is something
better after this life. What is the atheist hope?
They are malcontents.
Your Founding Fathers Erred
2018-11-24 16:14:58 UTC
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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.
Why?
Morons who are angry at God think there's some
type of competition here, that they have something
to "Win."
Clearly you feel as if you're "Losing" and are
desperate to some type of "Victory"...
Don't waste your breath with that Clown Tobbit; he is clueless about the Scriptures and even history
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If you ever grasp what's going on here,
what you're doing then you'll finally
understand how awful you look to everyone
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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.
The Sabbath Day
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8
“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5
The Permanence of Earth
“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4
“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10
Seeing God
“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
Human Sacrifice
“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21
[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31
[The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34
The Power of God
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26
“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
Personal Injury
“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25
“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39
Circumcision
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10
“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2
Incest
“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22
“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17
[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12
“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16
Trusting God
“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2
Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3
The Holy Lifestyle
“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart…” — Ecclesiastes 9:7
“…they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not…” — 1 Corinthians 7:30
Punishing Crime
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5
Temptation
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13
“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1
Family Relationships
“Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26
Resurrection of the Dead
“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9
“…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29
The End of the World
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. ” — Matthew 16:28
“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ” — Luke 21:32-33
“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” — Romans 13:11-12
“Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” — James 5:8
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18
“But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.” — 1 Peter 4:7
These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the “Son of God.” The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions.
Conclusion
What is incredible about the Bible is not its divine authorship; it’s that such a concoction of contradictory nonsense could be believed by anyone to have been written by an omniscient god. To do so, one would first have to not read the book, which is the practice of most Christians; or, if one does read it, dump in the trash can one’s rational intelligence — to become a fool for god, in other words.
To be an atheist, one need only be able to laugh when such obvious nonsense is offered as being “divine” truth.
All Bible quotes from the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (New York: Abradale Press, 1965)
This is an adaptation of an article originally written by former Interim President and current member of the Board of Directors Frank Zindler.
But God is perfect, right?
You contradict yourself all the time.

First you say God is evil. Then, you say there is no God.

First, you say there is no evidence for Moses, Jesus and the Exodus. Then you say the evidence I post for those is no good.

First, you call me Bruno. Then you call me Duck.

You criticize the bible, then you prove you never read it.
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2018-11-23 22:37:50 UTC
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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.
The Sabbath Day
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8
“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5
The Permanence of Earth
“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4
“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10
Seeing God
“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
Human Sacrifice
“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21
[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31
[The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34
The Power of God
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26
“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
Personal Injury
“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25
“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39
Circumcision
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10
“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2
Incest
“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22
“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17
[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12
“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16
Trusting God
“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2
Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3
The Holy Lifestyle
“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart…” — Ecclesiastes 9:7
“…they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not…” — 1 Corinthians 7:30
Punishing Crime
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5
Temptation
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13
“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1
Family Relationships
“Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26
Resurrection of the Dead
“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9
“…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29
The End of the World
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. ” — Matthew 16:28
“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ” — Luke 21:32-33
“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” — Romans 13:11-12
“Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” — James 5:8
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18
“But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.” — 1 Peter 4:7
These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the “Son of God.” The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions.
Conclusion
What is incredible about the Bible is not its divine authorship; it’s that such a concoction of contradictory nonsense could be believed by anyone to have been written by an omniscient god. To do so, one would first have to not read the book, which is the practice of most Christians; or, if one does read it, dump in the trash can one’s rational intelligence — to become a fool for god, in other words.
To be an atheist, one need only be able to laugh when such obvious nonsense is offered as being “divine” truth.
All Bible quotes from the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (New York: Abradale Press, 1965)
This is an adaptation of an article originally written by former Interim President and current member of the Board of Directors Frank Zindler.
But God is perfect, right?
You contradict yourself all the time.
First you say God is evil. Then, you say there is no God.
First, you say there is no evidence for Moses, Jesus and the Exodus. Then you say the evidence I post for those is no good.
First, you call me Bruno. Then you call me Duck.
You criticize the bible, then you prove you never read it.
Says mad joe, known liar, hypocrite, and shit eater.
v***@gmail.com
2018-11-23 22:48:16 UTC
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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.
The Sabbath Day
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8
“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5
The Permanence of Earth
“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4
“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10
Seeing God
“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
Human Sacrifice
“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21
[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31
[The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34
The Power of God
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26
“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
Personal Injury
“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25
“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39
Circumcision
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10
“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2
Incest
“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22
“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17
[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12
“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16
Trusting God
“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2
Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3
The Holy Lifestyle
“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart…” — Ecclesiastes 9:7
“…they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not…” — 1 Corinthians 7:30
Punishing Crime
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5
Temptation
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13
“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1
Family Relationships
“Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26
Resurrection of the Dead
“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9
“…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29
The End of the World
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. ” — Matthew 16:28
“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ” — Luke 21:32-33
“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” — Romans 13:11-12
“Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” — James 5:8
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18
“But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.” — 1 Peter 4:7
These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the “Son of God.” The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions.
Conclusion
What is incredible about the Bible is not its divine authorship; it’s that such a concoction of contradictory nonsense could be believed by anyone to have been written by an omniscient god. To do so, one would first have to not read the book, which is the practice of most Christians; or, if one does read it, dump in the trash can one’s rational intelligence — to become a fool for god, in other words.
To be an atheist, one need only be able to laugh when such obvious nonsense is offered as being “divine” truth.
All Bible quotes from the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (New York: Abradale Press, 1965)
This is an adaptation of an article originally written by former Interim President and current member of the Board of Directors Frank Zindler.
But God is perfect, right?
You contradict yourself all the time.
First you say God is evil. Then, you say there is no God.
First, you say there is no evidence for Moses, Jesus and the Exodus. Then you say the evidence I post for those is no good.
First, you call me Bruno. Then you call me Duck.
You criticize the bible, then you prove you never read it.
Says mad joe, known liar, hypocrite, and shit eater.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/N2sO9jdW5Ac/kXr6x-ZxBgAJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/UELKFcSEOPw/6G3vb_C2CgAJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/YYRkDisbvSY/AW5tpxkgAwAJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/bKOdxpqBqIM/GjR0f_IiBgAJ


https://tinyurl.com/y7fp4uyl


https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/KantREEbbSE/cau-3kClAgAJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/7Dq98fDYVXU/kP_w__rYAQAJ
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2018-11-24 01:04:53 UTC
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https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/N2sO9jdW5Ac/kXr6x-ZxBgAJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/UELKFcSEOPw/6G3vb_C2CgAJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/YYRkDisbvSY/AW5tpxkgAwAJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/bKOdxpqBqIM/GjR0f_IiBgAJ


https://tinyurl.com/y7fp4uyl


https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/KantREEbbSE/cau-3kClAgAJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.atheism/7Dq98fDYVXU/kP_w__rYAQAJ
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Thanks for the list of links that further demonstrate what an absolute idiot you are.

Fuck, you're stupid.
Amazing Answers
2018-11-24 04:02:35 UTC
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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.
The Sabbath Day
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8
“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5
The Permanence of Earth
“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4
“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10
Seeing God
“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
Human Sacrifice
“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21
[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31
[The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34
The Power of God
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26
“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
Personal Injury
“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25
“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39
Circumcision
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10
“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2
Incest
“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22
“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17
[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12
“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16
Trusting God
“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2
Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3
The Holy Lifestyle
“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart…” — Ecclesiastes 9:7
“…they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not…” — 1 Corinthians 7:30
Punishing Crime
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5
Temptation
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13
“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1
Family Relationships
“Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26
Resurrection of the Dead
“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9
“…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29
The End of the World
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. ” — Matthew 16:28
“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ” — Luke 21:32-33
“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” — Romans 13:11-12
“Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” — James 5:8
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18
“But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.” — 1 Peter 4:7
These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the “Son of God.” The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions.
Conclusion
What is incredible about the Bible is not its divine authorship; it’s that such a concoction of contradictory nonsense could be believed by anyone to have been written by an omniscient god. To do so, one would first have to not read the book, which is the practice of most Christians; or, if one does read it, dump in the trash can one’s rational intelligence — to become a fool for god, in other words.
To be an atheist, one need only be able to laugh when such obvious nonsense is offered as being “divine” truth.
All Bible quotes from the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (New York: Abradale Press, 1965)
This is an adaptation of an article originally written by former Interim President and current member of the Board of Directors Frank Zindler.
But God is perfect, right?
You contradict yourself all the time.
First you say God is evil. Then, you say there is no God.
First, you say there is no evidence for Moses, Jesus and the Exodus. Then you say the evidence I post for those is no good.
First, you call me Bruno. Then you call me Duck.
You criticize the bible, then you prove you never read it.
Says mad joe, known liar, hypocrite, and shit eater.
Said Tim emoting.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-11-24 01:00:02 UTC
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You contradict yourself all the time.

No I don't, you're just to stupid to follow a discussion in context.
Post by v***@gmail.com
First you say God is evil. Then, you say there is no God.
See? You can't separate one context from another. The God described in the bible IS evil.
We are fortunate that it does not exist.
Post by v***@gmail.com
First, you say there is no evidence for Moses, Jesus and the Exodus. Then you say the evidence I post for those is no good.
And? There is no such evidence and you have never posted anything other than the opinions of people who agree with you. It does not meet any standard of evidence and like the rest of so called Abrahamic religions is based mostly on hearsay since there is no real irrefutable evidence of any of the miracles or anything remotely supernatural.
Post by v***@gmail.com
First, you call me Bruno. Then you call me Duck.
You said you didn't care what we called you and it's better than shit eater or FUCK head like everybody else calls you.
Post by v***@gmail.com
You criticize the bible, then you prove you never read it.
Ah, but I have read it.
Not all of it as I am not a maschochist and it's so incredibly ridiculous that a little bit goes a long way.

One need not be a bible scholar to know that "big fish" don't swallow people. Even if we assume that what was being called a fish was really a whale, they choke on anything bigger than an orange.

Nor do you need to be a bible scholar to know that a couple million people occupying a small area can not stay there for forty years an not leave a single speck of evidence that they were there.

Then there's the crap about Noah which was stolen from the Epic of Gilgamesh, which was based on an older myth.

Or the whole Adam and Eve nonsense or any of the other supernatural crap contained in the pages of this ridiculous book.

God kills people and punishment can extend for generations. Does not seem like the actions of the loving God Duke keeps talking about while he shows how little he follows the words of his supposed God critter.

The hipocricy of the theist trolls who haunt this NG is staggering. No sign of love from Christians and nothing approaching civility from you.

Absolutely no need to know the bible as a scholar might. It is glaringly obvious that it's all nonsense. If it wasn't for the human brain to compartmentalize contradictions, the whole stupid beliefs of religion would have died out long ago.

It's dying now thanks to the information super highway and the fact that information is easily available on every topic imaginable.

You really should work on sorting out biblical contradictions before showing that you're not smart enough to understand the context of the discussions that take place here.
v***@gmail.com
2018-11-24 01:06:24 UTC
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You contradict yourself all the time.
No I don't, you're just to stupid to follow a discussion in context.
Post by v***@gmail.com
First you say God is evil. Then, you say there is no God.
See? You can't separate one context from another. The God described in the bible IS evil.
We are fortunate that it does not exist.
Post by v***@gmail.com
First, you say there is no evidence for Moses, Jesus and the Exodus. Then you say the evidence I post for those is no good.
And? There is no such evidence and you have never posted anything other than the opinions of people who agree with you. It does not meet any standard of evidence and like the rest of so called Abrahamic religions is based mostly on hearsay since there is no real irrefutable evidence of any of the miracles or anything remotely supernatural.
Post by v***@gmail.com
First, you call me Bruno. Then you call me Duck.
You said you didn't care what we called you and it's better than shit eater or FUCK head like everybody else calls you.
Post by v***@gmail.com
You criticize the bible, then you prove you never read it.
Ah, but I have read it.
I posted a quiz on the bible. You didn't answer a single question on it..I don't believe you.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-11-24 01:51:52 UTC
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I posted a quiz on the bible. You didn't answer a single question on it..I don't believe you.
And I should care why exactly.

Many people didn't answer your quiz or any of your quizzes, that proves nothing. Not that you ever need evidence or even know what it is as you have repeatedly demonstrated.

I'm under no obligation to answer any of your quiz questions.

What I don't know I can always look up with Google. You should try it.

The fact you don't believe me is of no consequence to me. You say you don't believe anybody who disagrees with you.
v***@gmail.com
2018-11-24 02:39:35 UTC
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I posted a quiz on the bible. You didn't answer a single question on it..I don't believe you.
And I should care why exactly.
It doesn't matter if you care. You've been exposed.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-11-24 02:41:48 UTC
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I posted a quiz on the bible. You didn't answer a single question on it..I don't believe you.
And I should care why exactly.
It doesn't matter if you care. You've been exposed.
Exposed as what? I never claimed to be an expert on the bible.
Another strawman lie from you. Big surprise.
v***@gmail.com
2018-11-24 01:09:54 UTC
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You contradict yourself all the time.
No I don't, you're just to stupid to follow a discussion in context.
Post by v***@gmail.com
First you say God is evil. Then, you say there is no God.
See? You can't separate one context from another. The God described in the bible IS evil.
We are fortunate that it does not exist.
Post by v***@gmail.com
First, you say there is no evidence for Moses, Jesus and the Exodus. Then you say the evidence I post for those is no good.
And? There is no such evidence and you have never posted anything other than the opinions of people who agree with you. It does not meet any standard of evidence and like the rest of so called Abrahamic religions is based mostly on hearsay since there is no real irrefutable evidence of any of the miracles or anything remotely supernatural.
Post by v***@gmail.com
First, you call me Bruno. Then you call me Duck.
You said you didn't care what we called you and it's better than shit eater or FUCK head like everybody else calls you.
Post by v***@gmail.com
You criticize the bible, then you prove you never read it.
Ah, but I have read it.
Not all of it as I am not a maschochist and it's so incredibly ridiculous that a little bit goes a long way.
One need not be a bible scholar to know that "big fish" don't swallow people. Even if we assume that what was being called a fish was really a whale, they choke on anything bigger than an orange.
Nor do you need to be a bible scholar to know that a couple million people occupying a small area can not stay there for forty years an not leave a single speck of evidence that they were there.
Horsedung.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Then there's the crap about Noah which was stolen from the Epic of Gilgamesh, which was based on an older myth.
You can't prove that.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Or the whole Adam and Eve nonsense or any of the other supernatural crap contained in the pages of this ridiculous book.
God kills people and punishment can extend for generations. Does not seem like the actions of the loving God Duke keeps talking about while he shows how little he follows the words of his supposed God critter.
The hipocricy of the theist trolls who haunt this NG is staggering. No sign of love from Christians and nothing approaching civility from you.
You call me names, hypocrite..
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Absolutely no need to know the bible as a scholar might. It is glaringly obvious that it's all nonsense. If it wasn't for the human brain to compartmentalize contradictions, the whole stupid beliefs of religion would have died out long ago.
That proves my point. The bible is a book of faith and you still don't understand that.
John Locke
2018-11-24 01:41:37 UTC
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You contradict yourself all the time.
No I don't, you're just to stupid to follow a discussion in context.
Post by v***@gmail.com
First you say God is evil. Then, you say there is no God.
See? You can't separate one context from another. The God described in the bible IS evil.
We are fortunate that it does not exist.
Post by v***@gmail.com
First, you say there is no evidence for Moses, Jesus and the Exodus. Then you say the evidence I post for those is no good.
And? There is no such evidence and you have never posted anything other than the opinions of people who agree with you. It does not meet any standard of evidence and like the rest of so called Abrahamic religions is based mostly on hearsay since there is no real irrefutable evidence of any of the miracles or anything remotely supernatural.
Post by v***@gmail.com
First, you call me Bruno. Then you call me Duck.
You said you didn't care what we called you and it's better than shit eater or FUCK head like everybody else calls you.
Post by v***@gmail.com
You criticize the bible, then you prove you never read it.
Ah, but I have read it.
Not all of it as I am not a maschochist and it's so incredibly ridiculous that a little bit goes a long way.
One need not be a bible scholar to know that "big fish" don't swallow people. Even if we assume that what was being called a fish was really a whale, they choke on anything bigger than an orange.
Nor do you need to be a bible scholar to know that a couple million people occupying a small area can not stay there for forty years an not leave a single speck of evidence that they were there.
Horsedung.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Then there's the crap about Noah which was stolen from the Epic of Gilgamesh, which was based on an older myth.
You can't prove that.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Or the whole Adam and Eve nonsense or any of the other supernatural crap contained in the pages of this ridiculous book.
God kills people and punishment can extend for generations. Does not seem like the actions of the loving God Duke keeps talking about while he shows how little he follows the words of his supposed God critter.
The hipocricy of the theist trolls who haunt this NG is staggering. No sign of love from Christians and nothing approaching civility from you.
You call me names, hypocrite..
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Absolutely no need to know the bible as a scholar might. It is glaringly obvious that it's all nonsense. If it wasn't for the human brain to compartmentalize contradictions, the whole stupid beliefs of religion would have died out long ago.
That proves my point. The bible is a book of faith and you still don't understand that.
..well not quite. It's a book of faith for those who are inclined to
believe in god. For us atheists, however, it's just the ancient
equivalent of Saturday Night Live.
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2018-11-24 02:47:13 UTC
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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.
The Sabbath Day
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8
“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5
The Permanence of Earth
“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4
“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10
Seeing God
“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
Human Sacrifice
“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21
[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31
[The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34
The Power of God
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26
“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
Personal Injury
“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25
“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39
Circumcision
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10
“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2
Incest
“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22
“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17
[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12
“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16
Trusting God
“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2
Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3
The Holy Lifestyle
“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart…” — Ecclesiastes 9:7
“…they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not…” — 1 Corinthians 7:30
Punishing Crime
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5
Temptation
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13
“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1
Family Relationships
“Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26
Resurrection of the Dead
“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9
“…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29
The End of the World
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. ” — Matthew 16:28
“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ” — Luke 21:32-33
“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” — Romans 13:11-12
“Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” — James 5:8
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18
“But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.” — 1 Peter 4:7
These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the “Son of God.” The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions.
Conclusion
What is incredible about the Bible is not its divine authorship; it’s that such a concoction of contradictory nonsense could be believed by anyone to have been written by an omniscient god. To do so, one would first have to not read the book, which is the practice of most Christians; or, if one does read it, dump in the trash can one’s rational intelligence — to become a fool for god, in other words.
To be an atheist, one need only be able to laugh when such obvious nonsense is offered as being “divine” truth.
All Bible quotes from the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (New York: Abradale Press, 1965)
This is an adaptation of an article originally written by former Interim President and current member of the Board of Directors Frank Zindler.
But God is perfect, right?
You contradict yourself all the time.
First you say God is evil. Then, you say there is no God.
First, you say there is no evidence for Moses, Jesus and the Exodus. Then you say the evidence I post for those is no good.
First, you call me Bruno. Then you call me Duck.
You criticize the bible, then you prove you never read it.
I notice you didn't refute anything there.

I guess I win again.
JTEM
2018-11-24 02:53:52 UTC
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I notice you didn't refute anything there.
Refute? You're a spit-bucket full of contradictions!
You describe yourself as an agnostic, call yourself
an atheist and then act like a fundamentalist Christian,
insisting upon reading the bible as literally true &
inerrant history...

You pretend that you're science based only to identify
belief systems such as abiogenesis as "Science."

You scoff at people for believing in fairy tales but
believe that Darwin invented or discovered evolution,
that he practiced science.

You're a joke.





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2018-11-24 02:55:56 UTC
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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.
The Sabbath Day
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8
“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5
The Permanence of Earth
“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4
“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10
Seeing God
“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
Human Sacrifice
“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21
[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31
[The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34
The Power of God
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26
“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
Personal Injury
“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25
“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39
Circumcision
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10
“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2
Incest
“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22
“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17
[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12
“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16
Trusting God
“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2
Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3
The Holy Lifestyle
“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart…” — Ecclesiastes 9:7
“…they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not…” — 1 Corinthians 7:30
Punishing Crime
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5
Temptation
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13
“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1
Family Relationships
“Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26
Resurrection of the Dead
“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9
“…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29
The End of the World
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. ” — Matthew 16:28
“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ” — Luke 21:32-33
“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” — Romans 13:11-12
“Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” — James 5:8
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18
“But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.” — 1 Peter 4:7
These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the “Son of God.” The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions.
Conclusion
What is incredible about the Bible is not its divine authorship; it’s that such a concoction of contradictory nonsense could be believed by anyone to have been written by an omniscient god. To do so, one would first have to not read the book, which is the practice of most Christians; or, if one does read it, dump in the trash can one’s rational intelligence — to become a fool for god, in other words.
To be an atheist, one need only be able to laugh when such obvious nonsense is offered as being “divine” truth.
All Bible quotes from the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (New York: Abradale Press, 1965)
This is an adaptation of an article originally written by former Interim President and current member of the Board of Directors Frank Zindler.
But God is perfect, right?
You contradict yourself all the time.
First you say God is evil. Then, you say there is no God.
First, you say there is no evidence for Moses, Jesus and the Exodus. Then you say the evidence I post for those is no good.
First, you call me Bruno. Then you call me Duck.
You criticize the bible, then you prove you never read it.
I notice you didn't refute anything there.
I guess I win again.
Sez you..
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2018-11-25 22:56:42 UTC
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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.
Gosh, you just don't get it that God cave the jews a new covenant to love one
another.

the dukester, American-American


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2018-11-25 23:53:40 UTC
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Gosh, you just don't get it that God cave the jews a new covenant to love one
another.

the dukester, American-Satanist

We do get it. We just don't see you doing any loving. You prefer to insult, lie, and make personal attacks. You are a fraud. You're a liar and a nasty bastard.

You are creating atheists every time you post.
duke
2018-11-26 22:18:31 UTC
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Gosh, you just don't get it that God cave the jews a new covenant to love one
another.
the dukester, American-Satanist
We do get it. We just don't see you doing any loving. You prefer to insult, lie, and make personal attacks. You are a fraud. You're a liar and a nasty bastard.
What do you mean?? I do it every day when I try to enlighten you to God and his
love. What do you gain by being a pagan/
Post by Cloud Hobbit
You are creating atheists every time you post.
Nah. You're just blowing hot air.

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v***@gmail.com
2018-11-26 23:41:22 UTC
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Post by duke
Gosh, you just don't get it that God cave the jews a new covenant to love one
another.
the dukester, American-Satanist
We do get it. We just don't see you doing any loving. You prefer to insult, lie, and make personal attacks. You are a fraud. You're a liar and a nasty bastard.
What do you mean?? I do it every day when I try to enlighten you to God and his
love. What do you gain by being a pagan/
Post by Cloud Hobbit
You are creating atheists every time you post.
Nah. You're just blowing hot air.
I asked Hobbit to name the new atheists. He had no answer.
Cloud Hobbit
2018-11-27 02:18:18 UTC
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Post by duke
Gosh, you just don't get it that God cave the jews a new covenant to love one
another.
the dukester, American-Satanist
We do get it. We just don't see you doing any loving. You prefer to insult, lie, and make personal attacks. You are a fraud. You're a liar and a nasty bastard.
What do you mean?? I do it every day when I try to enlighten you to God and his
love. What do you gain by being a pagan/
Post by Cloud Hobbit
You are creating atheists every time you post.
Nah. You're just blowing hot air.
I asked Hobbit to name the new atheists. He had no answer.
Can you name anybody who has been convinced of any of Duke's claims?
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2018-11-27 04:14:33 UTC
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Gosh, you just don't get it that God cave the jews a new covenant to love one
another.
the dukester, American-Satanist
We do get it. We just don't see you doing any loving. You prefer to insult, lie, and make personal attacks. You are a fraud. You're a liar and a nasty bastard.
What do you mean?? I do it every day when I try to enlighten you to God and his
love. What do you gain by being a pagan/
Post by Cloud Hobbit
You are creating atheists every time you post.
Nah. You're just blowing hot air.
I asked Hobbit to name the new atheists. He had no answer.
Can you name anybody who has been convinced of any of Duke's claims?
The issue is your claim.
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2018-11-27 15:06:03 UTC
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Gosh, you just don't get it that God cave the jews a new covenant to love one
another.
the dukester, American-Satanist
We do get it. We just don't see you doing any loving. You prefer to insult, lie, and make personal attacks. You are a fraud. You're a liar and a nasty bastard.
What do you mean?? I do it every day when I try to enlighten you to God and his
love. What do you gain by being a pagan/
Post by Cloud Hobbit
You are creating atheists every time you post.
Nah. You're just blowing hot air.
I asked Hobbit to name the new atheists. He had no answer.
Cloud is just hot air.

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2018-11-27 16:28:49 UTC
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What happened to you? You expressed an interest in homeobox genes
and two times I responded to you, without any feedback what-so-ever.

the first response to you was on 10/16/18 @ 11:07 AM

the last response was on 11/20/18 @ 8:43 PM

Did you not see this?
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What happened to you? You expressed an interest in homeobox genes
and two times I responded to you, without any feedback what-so-ever.
Did you not see this?
There was one message which didn't make sense, so I moved on. If you wish, add
your comments here.

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2018-11-27 21:54:09 UTC
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and two times I responded to you, without any feedback what-so-ever.
Did you not see this?
There was one message which didn't make sense, so I moved on. If you wish, add
your comments here.
Would you please tell me, specifically what didn't make sense?
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What happened to you? You expressed an interest in homeobox genes
and two times I responded to you, without any feedback what-so-ever.
Did you not see this?
There was one message which didn't make sense, so I moved on. If you wish, add
your comments here.
Would you please tell me, specifically what didn't make sense?
I don't recall. If you can repeat your post, I can check and see.

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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.
Gosh, you just don't get it that God gave the jews a new covenant to love one
another.
Christians accept that. We don't.
I know.

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2018-11-27 16:41:21 UTC
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With this in mind, let us have a look at the Bible on several subjects.
The Sabbath Day
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8
“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5
The Permanence of Earth
“… the earth abideth for ever.” — Ecclesiastes 1:4
“… the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” — 2Peter 3:10
Seeing God
“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
Human Sacrifice
“… Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God…” — Leviticus 18:21
[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] “… If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD’s, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering” — Judges 11:30-31
[The terms were acceptable to god — remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future — so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] — Judges 11:29-34
The Power of God
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26
“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
Personal Injury
“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25
“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39
Circumcision
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10
“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2
Incest
“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22
“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17
[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12
“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16
Trusting God
“A good man obtaineth favour of the LORD…” — Proverbs 12:2
Now consider the case of Job. After commissioning Satan to ruin Job financially and to slaughter his shepherds and children to win a petty bet with Satan. God asked Satan: “Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.” — Job 2:3
The Holy Lifestyle
“Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart…” — Ecclesiastes 9:7
“…they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not…” — 1 Corinthians 7:30
Punishing Crime
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5
Temptation
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” — James 1:13
“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham…” — Genesis 22:1
Family Relationships
“Honor thy father and thy mother…”– Exodus 20:12
“If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. ” — Luke 14:26
Resurrection of the Dead
“…he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. ” — Job 7:9
“…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29
The End of the World
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. ” — Matthew 16:28
“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ” — Luke 21:32-33
“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” — Romans 13:11-12
“Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” — James 5:8
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18
“But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.” — 1 Peter 4:7
These words were written between 1800 and 1900 years ago and were meant to warn and prepare the first Christians for the immediate end of the world. Some words are those supposedly straight out of the mouth of the “Son of God.” The world did not end 1800 or 1900 years ago. All that generation passed away without any of the things foretold coming to pass. No amount of prayer brought it about; nor ever so much patience and belief and sober living. The world went on, as usual, indifferent to the spoutings of yet another batch of doomsday prophets with visions of messiahs dancing in their deluded brains. The world, by surviving, makes the above passages contradictions.
Conclusion
What is incredible about the Bible is not its divine authorship; it’s that such a concoction of contradictory nonsense could be believed by anyone to have been written by an omniscient god. To do so, one would first have to not read the book, which is the practice of most Christians; or, if one does read it, dump in the trash can one’s rational intelligence — to become a fool for god, in other words.
To be an atheist, one need only be able to laugh when such obvious nonsense is offered as being “divine” truth.
All Bible quotes from the Authorized King James Version of the Bible (New York: Abradale Press, 1965)
This is an adaptation of an article originally written by former Interim President and current member of the Board of Directors Frank Zindler.
But God is perfect, right?
Almost every example you listed is the Old Testament Vs. the New
Testament. The New Testament contains the New Covenant between God
and man established through Jesus Christ. The Old Covenant with the
death of Christ was abolished, so, the Christian is no longer under
the Old Covenant, but under the New Covenant which is the New Testament.
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