Is Krishna a historical personality?

[Jahnu]

Absolutely.

Modern people have the idea, that just because some literature is very
old and describes fantastic events that defy the modern understanding
of a natural world, then this literature must certainly be myths and
fantasies.

For instance, Mahabharata is one such piece of literature. In
Mahabharata events are described that totally defy our modern
understanding of physics. But Mahabharata was written by Srila
Vyasadeva. Why would an illustrious and venerated sage like Srila
Vyasadeva - the literary incarnation of God - waste his time by
telling adventure stories for kids? There is no good reason to think
that. Only prejudice and modern, atheistic indoctrination would make a
person think that.

The reality-description offered in the Bhagavad Gita by Krishna
according to the three modes of material nature is by far the most
ingenious, sophisticated, consistent and scientific explanation of
reality available on the planet. It's a science that can be tested and
verified like any other science.

Note, that Krishna is the only person so far in human history, who has
defined reality as opposed to illusion or unreality. He has defined
real as that which is eternal and unreal as that which is temporary.

Try and ask a modern scientist, what is his definition of real and
unreal, and see how far you get... You'll get some technical mumbo
jumbo that boils down to - but, but it's all chemicals. That's what
you'll get - something that has absolutely nothing to do with the
reality you live in, or the reality you perceive.

So to reject the Vedic literature as mythology, just because it
doesn't fit into the Mickey Mouse conceptions of modern man, is no
less than extremely biased.

Krishna says:

One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and
activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in
this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna. — Bg 4.9

Krishna and Mahabharata : Historical reality

By Desh (Aug. 31, 2009)

Dr Manish Pandit, a nuclear medicine physician from UK is making a
movie on Krishna as a historic figure. Pandit has based his movie on
dates and timelines coming out of scientific based research by
credible evidence based on Archeology, Astronomy and Linguistics,
apart from Oral evidence from Indian tradition. Mahabharat War started
on November 22, 3067 BC. This comes out of astronomical evidence. And
the astronomical juxtapositions are not arbitrary or those that could
happen in any decade or such... but some of them have not happened
since.

They are THAT rare a phenomenon. Saturn at Rohini and Mars at Jyestha
with two eclipses - a Lunar eclipse at Kartik and Solar eclipse at
Jyesth. (these are from Udyoga and Bhisma Parvan).

(1)Amavasya occurs in Jyestha in 19 years

(2) (1) PLUS Solar Eclipse in Jyesth occurs in 340 years.

(3) (2) PLUS Saturn at Rohini occurs ONCE in 7000 years.

So, that constellation in astronomy has NOT occured since Mahabharat.
The date - exact one - when that would have happened is Nov 22, 3067
BC. Update: i found an article which is very well written, which I am
afraid may go away from that site. I have reproduced it at the bottom.
Not only that, but the latter events like destruction of Dwarka (based
on the astronomical events mentioned around that) occur at EXACTLY as
the text says - 36 years later.

Pandit has based his research on work of Dr Narhari Achar (a professor
of physics at the University of Memphis, Tennessee, in the US).
According to Achar, Krishna was born in 3112 BC. However, another
person has used dates and astronomical events to zero in on the dates
of that time, Arun K Bansal. According to him, Krishna was born on
July 21, 3228 BC anddied at 2 pm on February 18, 3102 BC. That is when
Kali Yuga is supposed to have started and Dwapar Yug came to an end.
So, Bansal's dates are a few decades prior to Achar's dates. However,
there are more people who side with Dr. Achar (refer to the article
reproduced below). Here are a few dates that can be identified with
respect to the dates by Dr. Achar: § Lord Krishna, on His final peace
mission, set out for Hastinapur on 26th September, 3067 B.C. when the
moon was at the asterism Revati.

§ Lord Krishna arrived Hastinapur on 28th September, 3067 B.C., when
the moon was at the asterism Bharani.

§ The full moon and lunar eclipse at Krittika occurred on 29th
September, 3067 B.C.

§ The solar eclipse at Jyestha occurred on 14th October, 3067 B.C.

§ Lord Balarama set out for pilgrimage on 1st November, 3067 B.C.

§ The War began on 22nd November, 3067 B.C.

§ Lord Balarama concluded His pilgrimage on 12th December, 3067 B.C.

§ The winter solstice occurred on 13th January, 3066 B.C.

§ Bhishma died on 17th January, 3066 B.C.

§ The comet Mahaghora appeared at the asterism Pushya in October, 3066
B.C.

Mahabharat dates and Historical Events

Interestingly, the decades when Dwapar Yuga is supposed to have ended
and Kali Yug supposed to have started as per these dates.. were also
the years of some MAJOR climatic shift on earth - due most probably to
major shifts in Solar Activity! Some of the MAJOR things that
happened:

§ Sahara region changed from a habitable land to a barren desert!

§ Glaciers Expanded covering plants.

§ Atmospheric temperatures fell drastically.

This was also the time, when Harrapan Civilization or Sindhu-Saraswati
Civilization is supposed to have began.

Some people believe that Mahabharat was a Nuclear War. Why? Because of
some explanations that defy contemporary knowledge of weapons that
people of THAT time could conceivably have created. Weapons with such
impact could not have been conjured up just out of nowhere..
REPEATEDLY.. in various parts of the text. See below for one such
description of its effects. It is not surprising that even in the
modern world, Robert Oppenheimer, Nuclear Scientist jumped up after
seeing the Atomic blast and cited a similar verse from Gita (part of
Mahabharat).

Now, if you see the extreme climactic changes - creation of desert out
of habitable land in Sahara and drastic fall in atmospheric
temperature as if Solar Activity had changed - it may not be entirely
unlikely, that those climatic shifts may have mimicked a Nuclear
Winter.

Mahabharat is a fantastic epic and one which would have required MORE
than just imagination to write. No writer has ever written something
so completely OUT of whack with his times, mores and thinking... as a
Mahabharat within the context of History as taught in our school texts
suggests. It seems so fantastic that even the idea seems absurd! That
alone - the imagination of a writer 5000 years ago to write something
that (if linera historical progress is taken to be true) ONLY people
of today could have seen/heard/experienced/imagined! Its not just
wishful imagination - as parting of seas et al - but very exact
descriptions of things that happen today and could happen tomorrow.
The philosophy of Gita is hitherto unparalleled in the spiritual
realm. No Saint, prophet, Master, or mystic has covered so many
topologies - Knowledge, Devotion, Action, - with so much mastery. What
I am trying to say is that you cannot get something out of nowhere.
You can only conjure up stuff that is there in your immediate
consciousness.

Fantasies and miracles in knowledge dont make sense to me! An
incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand
suns, rose with all its splendour. It was an unknown weapon, an iron
thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the
entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. The corpses were so
burned as to be unrecognizable. Hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke
without apparent cause, and the birds turned white. .After a few hours
all foodstuffs were infected. .to escape from this fire the soldiers
threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment.”

Reference Links:

1. 'Lord Krishna existed. School texts are wrong'

2. Krishna (b. July 21, 3228 BC)

3. 33rd century BC

4. Pre-historic Nuclear War and ancient Flying Aircraft uncovered
Historicity of Mahabharat

In January 2001, Indian History Congress was holding its Annual
Conference at the Alipur Campus of the University of Calcutta and at
the concluding session of the said Conference the Nobel Laureate
economist Dr. Amartya Sen, while addressing the delegates, said that
Ramayana and Mahabharata do not have any historical value. These two
epics are simply mythology and nothing but poets’ fancy. He also said
that neither Rama nor Krishna was a historical personality and both of
them were simply mythical. Gandhiji wrote two commentaries on
Shrimadbhagavadgita, Anasaktiyoga and Gitabodha, and in the
introduction of the former work, he wrote, “Generally Mahabharata is
taken to be a historical work.

But in my opinion, it is not so. I cannot say that Ramayana and
Mahabharata are historical works. They are simply religious works. If
you are still inclined to treat them as historical works, then I
should say that they are nothing but the history of the Self (Atma).
They do not contain what happened thousands of years ago. On the
contrary, they are the reflections of what is happening today in every
soul”.

About Lord Krishna, he wrote, ”Krishna of Gita is the embodiment of
pure and divine knowledge, but without having any physical existence.
By this the Avatar Krishna is not denied at all, but only it is said
that He is mythical”. It is not difficult to understand that all such
utterances of Sen, Gandhi and many other like minded Indians derive
inspiration from the Western interpretation of Indian history. Most of
the Western scholars firmly believe that our ancestors grossly
neglected writing history and what we claim to be our history is
nothing but mythology. So M. Winternitz in his History of Indian
Literature writes, “History is one weak spot in Indian literature. It
is, in fact, non-existent.

The total lack of historical sense is so characteristic that the whole
course of Sanskrit literature is darkened by the defect”. The renowned
German scholar Max Muller, in his History of Ancient Sanskrit
Literature, writes, “No wonder that a nation like India cared so
little for history”. “With regard to history, the Hindus have done
really nothing but romances from which some truth may occasionally be
extracted”, says another Western scholar Major Wilford. These scholars
refuse to accept Ramayana, Mahabharata and the Puranas as historical
works as there are no mention of year and dates of the events
described therein. But people of this country firmly believe that
Ramayana, Mahabharata and the Puranas are their history and not simply
epics or poets’ fancy. So Dr. S. Kalyanaraman, the director of the
Chennai based Saraswati River Research Centre, says that the
historicity of the events described in Ramayana and Mahabharata is
validated by two evidences: one is based on tradition and the other is
based on jyotisha, or planetary configurations and other celestial
events narrated along with mundane events described in those epics,
which may be called sky epigraphs.

So far tradition is concerned, people of this nation believe that Lord
Rama was born on the day of Ramanavami and Lord Krishna was born on
the day of Janmastami and so on. In fact, there is a long list of such
traditional beliefs such as: Bhishma died on the Bhishmastami day, on
the day of Vijaya Dashami, Lord Rama celebrated the day, with His
army, as the day of victory after killing Ravana and defeating his
army just on the previous day, on the day of Deepavali, Lord Rama
returned to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile and the people of Ayodhya
celebrated the day and decorated their houses by lighting lamps and
the tradition is still being continued; the War of Kurukshetra began
on the day of Gita Jayanti and so on and so forth. It is really
strange that the people of Western Garhwal, now in the state of
Uttaranchal, observe every year the Duryodhana Festival.

There also exists a temple dedicated to Duryodhana where people offer
their puja and many believe that the city of Varanavat, where
Duryodhana tried to burn the Pandavas alive, was situated in that
locality. It is also really striking that people of this country offer
water in memory of Bhishma during shraddha ceremony. The point to be
highlighted here is that, had all these been poets’ fancy and
mythical, the traditions could not have been continued for such a long
time.

The aspect of celestial epigraph, or planetary positions described in
these epics, particularly in Mahabharata, undoubtedly shows that the
said epics do mention the dates of events described therein, which the
Western scholars failed miserably to understand. In Mahabharata alone
there are 150 instances where worldly events are mentioned along with
the planetary positions in the sky. And, in addition to that, other
astronomical events such as occurrence of an eclipse, or appearance of
a comet, or rare events like shower of meteorites have been mentioned.
A few of such examples may be mentioned below The Udyoga Parva of
Mahabharata narrates that, just before the War, Lord Krishna, in His
final peace mission, went to Hastinapur in the month of Kartika. He
set out on the day when moon was at the asterism Revati. On His way to
Hastinapur, Krishna took rest for a day at a place called Brikasthala,
and on that day the moon was at the asterism Bharani.

The day on which Duryodhana turned down each and every effort of Lord
Krishna to make peace and made the war inevitable, the moon was
resting at the asterism Pushya. And the Lord left Hastinapura with
Karna, on the day when the moon was yet to reach the asterism Uttara
Phalguni. As mentioned above, Karna accompanied Him to some distance
to see Him off and he then described to the Lord the positions of
planets in the sky and expressed his apprehension that such a
planetary configuration stood for very bad omen: such as large scale
loss of life and drenching of blood. Vyasadeva narrated all these
planetary positions in as many as sixteen verses as if someone was
describing it after visualizing them in the sky. It is also well known
that during the War, Lord Balarama went on a pilgrimage to holy places
along the banks of the River Saraswati and Mahabharata describes the
position of the moon during the entire course of pilgrimage.

For example, He set out on the day when the moon was at the asterism
Pushya and returned on the day when the moon was at the asterism
Shravana.

The Mahabharata also mentions the occurrence of a solar eclipse at the
asterism Jyestha and a lunar eclipse at the asterism Krittika, just
before the beginning of the War. It also mentions the appearance of a
comet at the asterism Pushya, on the 8th day of the bright half of the
month of Magha, when Bhishma died. On that day the moon was at the
asterism Rohini and it was the day of Winter Solstice.

The day on which Ghatotkacha, son of Bhima, died, the moon appeared at
the horizon at 2.00 a.m. The epic also mentions the occurrence of a
very rare astronomical event that took place prior to the War: three
eclipses, two lunar and a solar, within a lunar month of 27 days.
There is also another continuing tradition in this country that says
that the beginning of the present Kali Yuga, Kurukshetra War, death of
Lord Krishna and coronation of Emperor Yudhishthira were contemporary
events.

Famous astronomer Aryabhatta in his celebrated work Aryabhatiyam had
accepted the said tradition and used the word “Bharatapurvam” in the
said work very often and scholars agree that he used the word to refer
to such events that occurred before the Mahabharata War. In 1991, Dr.
D. Abhayankar and Dr. Ballabh of the Osmania University calculated
that the present Kali Yuga began on 7th February, 3104 B.C. But it is
now well accepted by the both Eastern and the Western scholars that
the present Kali Yuga began on the midnight of 17th and 18th February,
3102 B.C. And hence it can roughly be said that the Mahabharata War
took place nearly 5000 years ago from now.

Today, man has created a machine called computer which, though most
idiotic, can do mathematical calculations at an incredible speed.
According to a popular ad of a computer company, the calculations
which Johannes Kepler took ten years to complete, can be done today
within minutes, using a computer. It has therefore been possible for
the scientists, with the help of this fantastic machine, to determine
the dates of ancient events with unthinkable accuracy, using the
planetary configurations given in the Mahabharata , as inputs. They
have developed so many software for this purpose and to name a few
are: (1) Planetarium, (2) Ecliptic, (3) Lode star and the(4) Panchang
Software. In 2003, a two day seminar was held on 5th and 6th January,
in Bangalore, on “The Date of Mahabharata War: Based on Astronomical
Data Using Planetarium Software”, and a few of the eminent researchers
who submitted papers were (1) Dr. S. Balakrishna of NASA, USA; (2) Dr.
B. N. Narahari Achar, Department of Physics, Memphis University, USA;
(3) Dr. R. N. Iyengar, Department of Civil Engineering, IISc,
Bangalore; (4) Dr. S. Kalyanaraman, Saraswati River Research Centre,
Chennai and so on.

These scientists agree that there does not exist any contradiction
between any two descriptions of planetary configurations given in the
Mahabharata. Dr. S. Balakrishna has studied the eclipses, both solar
and lunar, described in the Mahabharata and tried to find out the
dates of those eclipses using the Lode Star Software. Generally 240
solar and 150 lunar eclipses occur in a century and during the period
from 3300 B.C. to 700 B.C. nearly 6000 solar and 4000 lunar eclipses
took place, though not all of them were visible from India, or to be
more precise, from Kurukshetra. Out of them, 672 were eclipse pairs,
or both solar and lunar eclipses within a lunar month. Dr. Balakrishna
studied the eclipses those have been mentioned in the text of
Mahabharata. In fact, there are mentions of solar eclipses at 8 places
in Mahabharata, out of which three of them are very important.

Firstly, the solar eclipse that is mentioned in the Sabha Parva. The
second solar eclipse which is mentioned in the Udyoga Parva to which
Karna tried to draw the attention of Lord Krishna when He was
returning from Hastinapur. The third important solar eclipse has been
mentioned in the Shalya Parva, that occurred along with two lunar
eclipses within a month. Many believe that there was a total solar
eclipse occurred on the 13th day of the War, which has been
allegorically mentioned as covering the sun by Lord Krishna with is
His Sudarshan Chakra. The epic Mahabharata has so many other aspects
which common people do not know. Firstly, the epic as we see it today
containing 100,000 verses was not the creation of Vedavyasa. He
composed what was then known as the Jai, containing only 8,800 verses.
Later on Rishi Vaishampayana enlarged it to contain 24,000 verses
which was then known as the Bharata. Finally Sauti, the son of the
suta (the chariot driver) Lomaharshana, gave it present form as we see
now, containing 100,000 verses.

It has been mentioned earlier that just prior to the Mahabharata War,
a very rare event of three eclipses occurring within a lunar month
took place: a lunar eclipse followed by a solar one and then another
lunar eclipse. According to the text of Mahabharata, the solar eclipse
occurred just 13 days after the first lunar eclipse. Dr. S.
Balakrishna of NASA, USA, has searched all eclipse pairs, a lunar
eclipse followed by a solar eclipse after 13 days, that took place
from 3300 B.C. to 700 B.C., using the Lodestar pro-software. He found
that nearly 672 eclipse pairs have occurred within the said period,
out of which 27 pairs have been found to have less than 14 days time
gap. And according to Dr. Balakrishna, the eclipse pair of 2559 is the
best match with the description given in the text of Mahabharata. But
according to Dr. Kalyanaraman, the eclipses occurred in 3067 B.C.- the
lunar eclipse on 29th September at the asterism Krittika and the solar
eclipse on 14th October at the asterism Jyestha. Researcher Dr. P. V.
Holay examined 6 planetary configurations given in the Mahabharata and
concluded that the War began on 13th November, 3143 B.C.

But Dr. K. S. Raghavan and his coworker Dr. G. S. Sampath Iyengar,
using the Planetarium software came to the conclusion that the
Kurukshetra War began on 22nd day of November, 3067 B.C. (according to
the present Gregorian calendar). Professor Dr. Narahari Achar of the
University of Memphis, USA, also arrived at the same conclusion using
the said Planetarium software. Dr. S. Kalyanaraman of the Saraswati
River Research Centre, Chennai, found the estimates of Dr. K. S.
Raghavan and Dr. Narahari Achar correct and, on that basis, calculated
the dates of some other important events of Mahabharata. For example:
Lord Krishna, on His final peace mission, set out for Hastinapur on
26th September, 3067 B.C. when the moon was at the asterism Revati.
Lord Krishna arrived Hastinapur on 28th September, 3067 B.C., when the
moon was at the asterism Bharani. The full moon and lunar eclipse at
Krittika occurred on 29th September, 3067 B.C. The solar eclipse at
Jyestha occurred on 14th October, 3067 B.C. Lord Balarama set out for
pilgrimage on 1st November, 3067 B.C. The War began on 22nd November,
3067 B.C. Lord Balarama concluded His pilgrimage on 12th December,
3067 B.C. The winter solstice occurred on 13th January, 3066 B.C.
Bhishma died on 17th January, 3066 B.C. The comet Mahaghora appeared
at the asterism Pushya in October, 3066 B.C. inally, it should be
mentioned that the said seminar officially accepted that the
Mahabharata War began, as mentioned above, on 22nd November, 3067 B.C.

So it appears that the Mahabharata War took place, not in Dwapara Yuga
but, in the 35th year of the present Kali Yuga. It is not unlikely
because according to the text of Mahabharata, the War took place at
the juncture of Dwapara and Kali Yuga. Last year, (2005 A.D.),
astrologer Arun Kumar Bansal, using computer software, calculated date
of birth of Lord Krishna and it was 21st July, 3228 B.C. So it appears
that during the Mahabharata War, age of Lord Krishna was 161 years. At
the first sight, it may appear to be absurd. But it should be
mentioned here that, according to Hindu scriptures, the normal life
span of human beings is 400 years in Krita (or Satya), 300 years in
Treta, 200 years in Dwapara and 100 years in Kali Yuga. In fact,
during the Kurukshetra War, most of the military top brass of both
Kauravas and Pandavas were more than 100 years old.

To conclude, it should be mentioned here that the discovery of the
ruins of the city of Dwaraka by the renowned archaeologist Dr. S. R.
Rao, under the Arabian Sea, provides another strong evidence that Lord
Krishna and the story of Mahabharata were a reality and not simply
poet’s fancy.




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[Lucifer]

No.

[Jahnu]

On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:23:12 +1100, Lucifer

No.

Atheists? Happy lives? There is no such thing. There is nothing mother
nature hates more than atheism.

It is not possible to be happy and content in life, by living in the
illusion of thinking that nature is mine to enjoy as I see fit.

A happy atheist is an oxymoron. Sure, you get sense-enjoyment, but
sense-enjoyment has never, ever made anyone happy. It’s a statistic
fact.

And, besides, it’s predicted in the Vedic version.

Krishna says:

But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures
do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting soul
there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next. —Bg 4.40

Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.
—Bg 9.12

On Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:23:12 +1100, Lucifer

No.

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[Lucifer]

A theist using a welder is an oxymoron.

Theism is so incredibly stupid. Theists must lie constantly to
themselves and others.

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 01:24:47 +1100, Lucifer

Post by Lucifer
Theism is so incredibly stupid. Theists must lie constantly to
themselves and others.

Vishnu says:

When one resents the demigods, who represent God, the Vedas, which
give all knowledge, the cows, brahmanas, Vaisnavas and religious
principles, and ultimately Me, the Supreme, he and his civilization
will be vanquished without delay. -- Srimad Bhagavatam 7.4.27




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[vallor]

Post by Jahnu
On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 01:24:47 +1100, Lucifer

Post by Lucifer
Theism is so incredibly stupid. Theists must lie constantly to
themselves and others.

Keister says:

Gaze upon my countenance, O adjourna, and remember that jahnunu is a
creamy puff tart.

[Cloud Hobbit]

No.

Krishna is imaginary.

[Jahnu]

On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:26:01 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
No.
Krishna is imaginary.

And then you woke up, Cloudboy :D


Modern people have the idea, that just because some literature is very
old and describes fantastic events that defy the modern undertanding
of a natural world, then this literature must certainly be myths and
fantasies.

For instance, Mahabharata is one such piece of literature. In
Mahabharata events are described that totally defy our modern
understanding of physics. But Mahabharata was written by Srila
Vyasadeva. Why would an illustrious and venerated sage like Srila
Vyasadeva - the literary incarnation of God - waste his time by
telling adventure stories for kids? There is no good reason to think
that. Only prejudice and modern, atheistic indoctrination would make a
person think that.

Bhagavad Gita is originally a chapter of the Mahabharata. Bhagavad
Gita is the only book in the world in which, someone claiming to be
God, explains in detail about Himself, the soul and the world and how
everything inter-relates.

The reality-description offered in the Bhagavad Gita by Krishna
according to the three modes of material nature is by far the most
ingenious, sophisticated, consistent and scientific explanation of
reality available on the planet. It's a science that can be tested and
verified like any other science.


Note, that Krishna is the only person so far in human history, who has
defined reality as opposed to illusion or unreality. He has defined
real as that which is eternal and unreal as that which is temporary.

Try and ask a modern scientist, what is his definition of real and
unreal, and see how far you get... You'll get some technical mumbo
jumbo that boils down to - but, but it's all chemicals. That's what
you'll get - something that has absolutely nothing to do with the
reality you live in or the reality you perceive.

So to reject the Vedic literature as mythology, just because it
doesn't fit into the Mickey Mouse conceptions of modern man, is no
less than extremely ignorant.

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)

Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.
(Bg 9.12 )


Krishna and Mahabharata : Historical reality

By Desh (Aug. 31, 2009)

Dr Manish Pandit, a nuclear medicine physician from UK is making a
movie on Krishna as a historic figure. Pandit has based his movie on
dates and timelines coming out of scientific based research by
credible evidence based on Archeology, Astronomy and Linguistics,
apart from Oral evidence from Indian tradition. Mahabharat War started
on November 22, 3067 BC. This comes out of astronomical evidence. And
the astronomical juxtapositions are not arbitrary or those that could
happen in any decade or such... but some of them have not happened
since.

They are THAT rare a phenomenon. Saturn at Rohini and Mars at Jyestha
with two eclipses - a Lunar eclipse at Kartik and Solar eclipse at
Jyesth. (these are from Udyoga and Bhisma Parvan).

(1)Amavasya occurs in Jyestha in 19 years
(2) (1) PLUS Solar Eclipse in Jyesth occurs in 340 years.
(3) (2) PLUS Saturn at Rohini occurs ONCE in 7000 years.

So, that constellation in astronomy has NOT occured since Mahabharat.
The date - exact one - when that would have happened is Nov 22, 3067
BC. Update: i found an article which is very well written, which I am
afraid may go away from that site. I have reproduced it at the bottom.
Not only that, but the latter events like destruction of Dwarka (based
on the astronomical events mentioned around that) occur at EXACTLY as
the text says - 36 years later.

Pandit has based his research on work of Dr Narhari Achar (a professor
of physics at the University of Memphis, Tennessee, in the US).
According to Achar, Krishna was born in 3112 BC. However, another
person has used dates and astronomical events to zero in on the dates
of that time, Arun K Bansal. According to him, Krishna was born on
July 21, 3228 BC anddied at 2 pm on February 18, 3102 BC. That is when
Kali Yuga is supposed to have started and Dwapar Yug came to an end.
So, Bansal's dates are a few decades prior to Achar's dates. However,
there are more people who side with Dr. Achar (refer to the article
reproduced below). Here are a few dates that can be identified with
respect to the dates by Dr. Achar: § Lord Krishna, on His final peace
mission, set out for Hastinapur on 26th September, 3067 B.C. when the
moon was at the asterism Revati.

§ Lord Krishna arrived Hastinapur on 28th September, 3067 B.C., when
the moon was at the asterism Bharani.
§ The full moon and lunar eclipse at Krittika occurred on 29th
September, 3067 B.C.
§ The solar eclipse at Jyestha occurred on 14th October, 3067 B.C.
§ Lord Balarama set out for pilgrimage on 1st November, 3067 B.C.
§ The War began on 22nd November, 3067 B.C.
§ Lord Balarama concluded His pilgrimage on 12th December, 3067 B.C.
§ The winter solstice occurred on 13th January, 3066 B.C.
§ Bhishma died on 17th January, 3066 B.C.
§ The comet Mahaghora appeared at the asterism Pushya in October, 3066
B.C.

Mahabharat dates and Historical Events

Interestingly, the decades when Dwapar Yuga is supposed to have ended
and Kali Yug supposed to have started as per these dates.. were also
the years of some MAJOR climatic shift on earth - due most probably to
major shifts in Solar Activity! Some of the MAJOR things that
happened:

§ Sahara region changed from a habitable land to a barren desert!
§ Glaciers Expanded covering plants.
§ Atmospheric temperatures fell drastically.

This was also the time, when Harrapan Civilization or Sindhu-Saraswati
Civilization is supposed to have began.

Some people believe that Mahabharat was a Nuclear War. Why? Because of
some explanations that defy contemporary knowledge of weapons that
people of THAT time could conceivably have created. Weapons with such
impact could not have been conjured up just out of nowhere..
REPEATEDLY.. in various parts of the text. See below for one such
description of its effects. It is not surprising that even in the
modern world, Robert Oppenheimer, Nuclear Scientist jumped up after
seeing the Atomic blast and cited a similar verse from Gita (part of
Mahabharat).

Now, if you see the extreme climactic changes - creation of desert out
of habitable land in Sahara and drastic fall in atmospheric
temperature as if Solar Activity had changed - it may not be entirely
unlikely, that those climatic shifts may have mimicked a Nuclear
Winter.

Mahabharat is a fantastic epic and one which would have required MORE
than just imagination to write. No writer has ever written something
so completely OUT of whack with his times, mores and thinking... as a
Mahabharat within the context of History as taught in our school texts
suggests. It seems so fantastic that even the idea seems absurd! That
alone - the imagination of a writer 5000 years ago to write something
that (if linera historical progress is taken to be true) ONLY people
of today could have seen/heard/experienced/imagined! Its not just
wishful imagination - as parting of seas et al - but very exact
descriptions of things that happen today and could happen tomorrow.
The philosophy of Gita is hitherto unparalleled in the spiritual
realm. No Saint, prophet, Master, or mystic has covered so many
topologies - Knowledge, Devotion, Action, - with so much mastery. What
I am trying to say is that you cannot get something out of nowhere.
You can only conjure up stuff that is there in your immediate
consciousness.

Fantasies and miracles in knowledge dont make sense to me! An
incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand
suns, rose with all its splendour. It was an unknown weapon, an iron
thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the
entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. The corpses were so
burned as to be unrecognizable. Hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke
without apparent cause, and the birds turned white. .After a few hours
all foodstuffs were infected. .to escape from this fire the soldiers
threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment.”
Reference Links:

1. 'Lord Krishna existed. School texts are wrong'
2. Krishna (b. July 21, 3228 BC)
3. 33rd century BC
4. Pre-historic Nuclear War and ancient Flying Aircraft uncovered
Historicity of Mahabharat

In January 2001, Indian History Congress was holding its Annual
Conference at the Alipur Campus of the University of Calcutta and at
the concluding session of the said Conference the Nobel Laureate
economist Dr. Amartya Sen, while addressing the delegates, said that
Ramayana and Mahabharata do not have any historical value. These two
epics are simply mythology and nothing but poets’ fancy. He also said
that neither Rama nor Krishna was a historical personality and both of
them were simply mythical. Gandhiji wrote two commentaries on
Shrimadbhagavadgita, Anasaktiyoga and Gitabodha, and in the
introduction of the former work, he wrote, “Generally Mahabharata is
taken to be a historical work.

But in my opinion, it is not so. I cannot say that Ramayana and
Mahabharata are historical works. They are simply religious works. If
you are still inclined to treat them as historical works, then I
should say that they are nothing but the history of the Self (Atma).
They do not contain what happened thousands of years ago. On the
contrary, they are the reflections of what is happening today in every
soul”.

About Lord Krishna, he wrote, ”Krishna of Gita is the embodiment of
pure and divine knowledge, but without having any physical existence.
By this the Avatar Krishna is not denied at all, but only it is said
that He is mythical”. It is not difficult to understand that all such
utterances of Sen, Gandhi and many other like minded Indians derive
inspiration from the Western interpretation of Indian history. Most of
the Western scholars firmly believe that our ancestors grossly
neglected writing history and what we claim to be our history is
nothing but mythology. So M. Winternitz in his History of Indian
Literature writes, “History is one weak spot in Indian literature. It
is, in fact, non-existent.

The total lack of historical sense is so characteristic that the whole
course of Sanskrit literature is darkened by the defect”. The renowned
German scholar Max Muller, in his History of Ancient Sanskrit
Literature, writes, “No wonder that a nation like India cared so
little for history”. “With regard to history, the Hindus have done
really nothing but romances from which some truth may occasionally be
extracted”, says another Western scholar Major Wilford. These scholars
refuse to accept Ramayana, Mahabharata and the Puranas as historical
works as there are no mention of year and dates of the events
described therein. But people of this country firmly believe that
Ramayana, Mahabharata and the Puranas are their history and not simply
epics or poets’ fancy. So Dr. S. Kalyanaraman, the director of the
Chennai based Saraswati River Research Centre, says that the
historicity of the events described in Ramayana and Mahabharata is
validated by two evidences: one is based on tradition and the other is
based on jyotisha, or planetary configurations and other celestial
events narrated along with mundane events described in those epics,
which may be called sky epigraphs.

So far tradition is concerned, people of this nation believe that Lord
Rama was born on the day of Ramanavami and Lord Krishna was born on
the day of Janmastami and so on. In fact, there is a long list of such
traditional beliefs such as: Bhishma died on the Bhishmastami day, on
the day of Vijaya Dashami, Lord Rama celebrated the day, with His
army, as the day of victory after killing Ravana and defeating his
army just on the previous day, on the day of Deepavali, Lord Rama
returned to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile and the people of Ayodhya
celebrated the day and decorated their houses by lighting lamps and
the tradition is still being continued; the War of Kurukshetra began
on the day of Gita Jayanti and so on and so forth. It is really
strange that the people of Western Garhwal, now in the state of
Uttaranchal, observe every year the Duryodhana Festival.

There also exists a temple dedicated to Duryodhana where people offer
their puja and many believe that the city of Varanavat, where
Duryodhana tried to burn the Pandavas alive, was situated in that
locality. It is also really striking that people of this country offer
water in memory of Bhishma during shraddha ceremony. The point to be
highlighted here is that, had all these been poets’ fancy and
mythical, the traditions could not have been continued for such a long
time.

The aspect of celestial epigraph, or planetary positions described in
these epics, particularly in Mahabharata, undoubtedly shows that the
said epics do mention the dates of events described therein, which the
Western scholars failed miserably to understand. In Mahabharata alone
there are 150 instances where worldly events are mentioned along with
the planetary positions in the sky. And, in addition to that, other
astronomical events such as occurrence of an eclipse, or appearance of
a comet, or rare events like shower of meteorites have been mentioned.
A few of such examples may be mentioned below The Udyoga Parva of
Mahabharata narrates that, just before the War, Lord Krishna, in His
final peace mission, went to Hastinapur in the month of Kartika. He
set out on the day when moon was at the asterism Revati. On His way to
Hastinapur, Krishna took rest for a day at a place called Brikasthala,
and on that day the moon was at the asterism Bharani.

The day on which Duryodhana turned down each and every effort of Lord
Krishna to make peace and made the war inevitable, the moon was
resting at the asterism Pushya. And the Lord left Hastinapura with
Karna, on the day when the moon was yet to reach the asterism Uttara
Phalguni. As mentioned above, Karna accompanied Him to some distance
to see Him off and he then described to the Lord the positions of
planets in the sky and expressed his apprehension that such a
planetary configuration stood for very bad omen: such as large scale
loss of life and drenching of blood. Vyasadeva narrated all these
planetary positions in as many as sixteen verses as if someone was
describing it after visualizing them in the sky. It is also well known
that during the War, Lord Balarama went on a pilgrimage to holy places
along the banks of the River Saraswati and Mahabharata describes the
position of the moon during the entire course of pilgrimage.
For example, He set out on the day when the moon was at the asterism
Pushya and returned on the day when the moon was at the asterism
Shravana.

The Mahabharata also mentions the occurrence of a solar eclipse at the
asterism Jyestha and a lunar eclipse at the asterism Krittika, just
before the beginning of the War. It also mentions the appearance of a
comet at the asterism Pushya, on the 8th day of the bright half of the
month of Magha, when Bhishma died. On that day the moon was at the
asterism Rohini and it was the day of Winter Solstice.

The day on which Ghatotkacha, son of Bhima, died, the moon appeared at
the horizon at 2.00 a.m. The epic also mentions the occurrence of a
very rare astronomical event that took place prior to the War: three
eclipses, two lunar and a solar, within a lunar month of 27 days.
There is also another continuing tradition in this country that says
that the beginning of the present Kali Yuga, Kurukshetra War, death of
Lord Krishna and coronation of Emperor Yudhishthira were contemporary
events.

Famous astronomer Aryabhatta in his celebrated work Aryabhatiyam had
accepted the said tradition and used the word “Bharatapurvam” in the
said work very often and scholars agree that he used the word to refer
to such events that occurred before the Mahabharata War. In 1991, Dr.
D. Abhayankar and Dr. Ballabh of the Osmania University calculated
that the present Kali Yuga began on 7th February, 3104 B.C. But it is
now well accepted by the both Eastern and the Western scholars that
the present Kali Yuga began on the midnight of 17th and 18th February,
3102 B.C. And hence it can roughly be said that the Mahabharata War
took place nearly 5000 years ago from now.

Today, man has created a machine called computer which, though most
idiotic, can do mathematical calculations at an incredible speed.
According to a popular ad of a computer company, the calculations
which Johannes Kepler took ten years to complete, can be done today
within minutes, using a computer. It has therefore been possible for
the scientists, with the help of this fantastic machine, to determine
the dates of ancient events with unthinkable accuracy, using the
planetary configurations given in the Mahabharata , as inputs. They
have developed so many software for this purpose and to name a few
are: (1) Planetarium, (2) Ecliptic, (3) Lode star and the(4) Panchang
Software. In 2003, a two day seminar was held on 5th and 6th January,
in Bangalore, on “The Date of Mahabharata War: Based on Astronomical
Data Using Planetarium Software”, and a few of the eminent researchers
who submitted papers were (1) Dr. S. Balakrishna of NASA, USA; (2) Dr.
B. N. Narahari Achar, Department of Physics, Memphis University, USA;
(3) Dr. R. N. Iyengar, Department of Civil Engineering, IISc,
Bangalore; (4) Dr. S. Kalyanaraman, Saraswati River Research Centre,
Chennai and so on.

These scientists agree that there does not exist any contradiction
between any two descriptions of planetary configurations given in the
Mahabharata. Dr. S. Balakrishna has studied the eclipses, both solar
and lunar, described in the Mahabharata and tried to find out the
dates of those eclipses using the Lode Star Software. Generally 240
solar and 150 lunar eclipses occur in a century and during the period
from 3300 B.C. to 700 B.C. nearly 6000 solar and 4000 lunar eclipses
took place, though not all of them were visible from India, or to be
more precise, from Kurukshetra. Out of them, 672 were eclipse pairs,
or both solar and lunar eclipses within a lunar month. Dr. Balakrishna
studied the eclipses those have been mentioned in the text of
Mahabharata. In fact, there are mentions of solar eclipses at 8 places
in Mahabharata, out of which three of them are very important.

Firstly, the solar eclipse that is mentioned in the Sabha Parva. The
second solar eclipse which is mentioned in the Udyoga Parva to which
Karna tried to draw the attention of Lord Krishna when He was
returning from Hastinapur. The third important solar eclipse has been
mentioned in the Shalya Parva, that occurred along with two lunar
eclipses within a month. Many believe that there was a total solar
eclipse occurred on the 13th day of the War, which has been
allegorically mentioned as covering the sun by Lord Krishna with is
His Sudarshan Chakra. The epic Mahabharata has so many other aspects
which common people do not know. Firstly, the epic as we see it today
containing 100,000 verses was not the creation of Vedavyasa. He
composed what was then known as the Jai, containing only 8,800 verses.
Later on Rishi Vaishampayana enlarged it to contain 24,000 verses
which was then known as the Bharata. Finally Sauti, the son of the
suta (the chariot driver) Lomaharshana, gave it present form as we see
now, containing 100,000 verses.

It has been mentioned earlier that just prior to the Mahabharata War,
a very rare event of three eclipses occurring within a lunar month
took place: a lunar eclipse followed by a solar one and then another
lunar eclipse. According to the text of Mahabharata, the solar eclipse
occurred just 13 days after the first lunar eclipse. Dr. S.
Balakrishna of NASA, USA, has searched all eclipse pairs, a lunar
eclipse followed by a solar eclipse after 13 days, that took place
from 3300 B.C. to 700 B.C., using the Lodestar pro-software. He found
that nearly 672 eclipse pairs have occurred within the said period,
out of which 27 pairs have been found to have less than 14 days time
gap. And according to Dr. Balakrishna, the eclipse pair of 2559 is the
best match with the description given in the text of Mahabharata. But
according to Dr. Kalyanaraman, the eclipses occurred in 3067 B.C.- the
lunar eclipse on 29th September at the asterism Krittika and the solar
eclipse on 14th October at the asterism Jyestha. Researcher Dr. P. V.
Holay examined 6 planetary configurations given in the Mahabharata and
concluded that the War began on 13th November, 3143 B.C.

But Dr. K. S. Raghavan and his coworker Dr. G. S. Sampath Iyengar,
using the Planetarium software came to the conclusion that the
Kurukshetra War began on 22nd day of November, 3067 B.C. (according to
the present Gregorian calendar). Professor Dr. Narahari Achar of the
University of Memphis, USA, also arrived at the same conclusion using
the said Planetarium software. Dr. S. Kalyanaraman of the Saraswati
River Research Centre, Chennai, found the estimates of Dr. K. S.
Raghavan and Dr. Narahari Achar correct and, on that basis, calculated
the dates of some other important events of Mahabharata. For example:
Lord Krishna, on His final peace mission, set out for Hastinapur on
26th September, 3067 B.C. when the moon was at the asterism Revati.
Lord Krishna arrived Hastinapur on 28th September, 3067 B.C., when the
moon was at the asterism Bharani. The full moon and lunar eclipse at
Krittika occurred on 29th September, 3067 B.C. The solar eclipse at
Jyestha occurred on 14th October, 3067 B.C. Lord Balarama set out for
pilgrimage on 1st November, 3067 B.C. The War began on 22nd November,
3067 B.C. Lord Balarama concluded His pilgrimage on 12th December,
3067 B.C. The winter solstice occurred on 13th January, 3066 B.C.
Bhishma died on 17th January, 3066 B.C. The comet Mahaghora appeared
at the asterism Pushya in October, 3066 B.C. inally, it should be
mentioned that the said seminar officially accepted that the
Mahabharata War began, as mentioned above, on 22nd November, 3067 B.C.

So it appears that the Mahabharata War took place, not in Dwapara Yuga
but, in the 35th year of the present Kali Yuga. It is not unlikely
because according to the text of Mahabharata, the War took place at
the juncture of Dwapara and Kali Yuga. Last year, (2005 A.D.),
astrologer Arun Kumar Bansal, using computer software, calculated date
of birth of Lord Krishna and it was 21st July, 3228 B.C. So it appears
that during the Mahabharata War, age of Lord Krishna was 161 years. At
the first sight, it may appear to be absurd. But it should be
mentioned here that, according to Hindu scriptures, the normal life
span of human beings is 400 years in Krita (or Satya), 300 years in
Treta, 200 years in Dwapara and 100 years in Kali Yuga. In fact,
during the Kurukshetra War, most of the military top brass of both
Kauravas and Pandavas were more than 100 years old.

To conclude, it should be mentioned here that the discovery of the
ruins of the city of Dwaraka by the renowned archaeologist Dr. S. R.
Rao, under the Arabian Sea, provides another strong evidence that Lord
Krishna and the story of Mahabharata were a reality and not simply
poet’s fancy.


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[Lucifer]

No.

Krishna is imaginary.

[Jahnu]

blah blah

Krishna says:

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I
am unborn and infallible. (Bg 7.25)


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[vallor]

Post by Jahnu

blah blah

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I am
unborn and infallible. (Bg 7.25)

BZZZZT.

WROOOOOONG, MA!

[John Ritson]

Post by vallor

Post by Jahnu

blah blah

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I am
unborn and infallible. (Bg 7.25)

BZZZZT.
WROOOOOONG, MA!

Krishna was just a minor cattle-herding deity in northern India that got
absorbed into the Hindu pantheon.

[%]

Post by John Ritson

Post by vallor

Post by Jahnu

blah blah

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I am
unborn and infallible. (Bg 7.25)

BZZZZT.
WROOOOOONG, MA!

Krishna was just a minor cattle-herding deity in northern India that got
absorbed into the Hindu pantheon.

don't have a cow man

[Kevrob]

Post by %

Post by John Ritson
Krishna was just a minor cattle-herding deity in northern India that got
absorbed into the Hindu pantheon.

don't have a cow man

Jesper should have a cow, or at least a filet of
grass-fed steer.


Krishna, Herakles, Yeshu'a - all legendary figures.
They may have a basis in actual, human people who,
like everybody else, were not divine.

--
Kevin R
a.a #2310

[%]

Post by Kevrob

Post by %

Post by John Ritson
Krishna was just a minor cattle-herding deity in northern India that got
absorbed into the Hindu pantheon.

don't have a cow man

Jesper should have a cow, or at least a filet of
grass-fed steer.
Krishna, Herakles, Yeshu'a - all legendary figures.
They may have a basis in actual, human people who,
like everybody else, were not divine.
--
Kevin R
a.a #2310

nobody wants to do what they aren't doing

[unknown]

Post by %
nobody wants to do what they aren't doing

Good point. So what I want to do is slap you
into the afterlife.

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 19:09:08 +0000, John Ritson

Post by John Ritson
Krishna was just a minor cattle-herding deity in northern India that got
absorbed into the Hindu pantheon.

hahaha :) Not much happening in that meat-head of yours, eh?

Kriishna says:

Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among
mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the
atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me. (Bg 7.15 )


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Post by Jahnu
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 19:09:08 +0000, John Ritson

Post by John Ritson
Krishna was just a minor cattle-herding deity in northern India that got
absorbed into the Hindu pantheon.

hahaha :) Not much happening in that meat-head of yours, eh?

You're not capable of judging that.

[John Ritson]

Post by Jahnu
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 19:09:08 +0000, John Ritson

Post by John Ritson
Krishna was just a minor cattle-herding deity in northern India that got
absorbed into the Hindu pantheon.

hahaha :) Not much happening in that meat-head of yours, eh?

How sweet, Jahnu has an obscure cattle-herding deity as his imaginary
friend.

[michellemalkingmail.com]

Post by Cloud Hobbit
No.
Krishna is imaginary.

Krishna is mythical, but he may originally be based on a beloved southern
India general who was very wise. Of course, since he and other popular
southern gods had dark skin and the northeners looked down on dark-skinned
southerners, when the southern gods became popular in the north, the gods's
skin was changed from black to blue. But, there are still plenty of temples
all over India with wall carvings with dark-skinned gods. The general who
became the god Krishna was supposedly from one of the southern cities that
are now under water.

[Cloud Hobbit]

Absolutely nothing.

Krishna never existed.

Prove otherwise.

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:58:03 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Absolutely nothing.
Krishna never existed.
Prove otherwise.

Why would I want to prove anything to you, Cloudboy? I don't give a
shit what a retard like you believe in.

Let me tell you about what happens when atheists gain political power.
Once, Russia was one of the richest and most influential countries of
Europe. When the atheists took over in 1917 they very quickly ran that
mighty country on it's ass into some impoverished condition. Russia
used to be full of natural resources and minerals and Ukraine used to
produce grains for the entire Europe. Ukraine had the most splendid
farm-soil in the whole world. After being under the rule of atheism,
in a mere 70 years that country was reduced to a wasteland.

As soon as atheists rise to political power, they immediately create a
totalitarian, fascist state. Recent history is abundant with examples
of this - China, Soviet Union, Cambodia and North Korea.

Atheists like to point to religion as the cause of all evil, but the
fact is that the most psychopathic, insane mass murders in recent
human history were all professed atheists - Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot etc.

There is nothing mother Nature hates more than atheism. She refuses to
corporate with an atheistic government. That's why she is in the
process of removing the modern Coca-cola culture from her surface.

According to the Vedic teachings there is a natural progression in
human society of dharma, artha, kama, moksha - religion, wealth,
sense-enjoyment and liberation. There can be no wealth without some
type of sacrifice or religion, and without wealth there'll be no
enjoyment. And after having enjoyed ample wealth, and then realized
that it anyway does not make one happy, one may seek liberation.

The western wealth and rise to world dominion was clearly a result of
Christian dharma, however primitive and incomplete that religion is.
Now as the western culture is discarding it's religion, it's wealth is
being diminished and removed. This is not an idea or a theory, it is a
direct observable fact. To the same degree that modern society
discards its religion, to the same degree everything falls apart.

But materialists don't see this. Why? Because they are simply too
ignorant and deluded to actually notice what goes on in the world
around them. According to them, everything is just random chance and
in the short time you have in this life, it behooves you to enjoy as
much as possible. I mean, how ignorant can the present civilization
get? They slaughter other living entities wantonly for profit. They
actually kill living entities by the millions daily on assembly lines
in automated death-factories. Each second on the planet, a woman or a
child is being raped or murdered. And you think there will be no
consequences to such mindless atrocities, that death will offer you
eternal peace? But that's what happens when atheists get into
governmental power, they very quickly destroy everything.

Mother Nature will punish such a psychotic society, and that's what's
happening in the world right now, as we speak. Indeed, death will be a
rude awakening for the atheist.

Vishnu says:

When one is envious of the demigods, who represent the Supreme
Personality of Godhead, of the Vedas, which give all knowledge, of the
cows, brahmanas, Vaisnavas and religious principles, and ultimately of
Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he and his civilization will
be vanquished without delay. -- Srimad Bhagavatam 7.4.27

Krishna says:

In the beginning of creation, the Lord of all creatures sent forth
generations of men and demigods, along with sacrifices for Vishnu, and
blessed them by saying, "Be thou happy by this yajïa [sacrifice]
because its performance will bestow upon you everything desirable for
living happily and achieving liberation. (Bg. 3.11)

The demigods, being pleased by sacrifices, will also please you, and
thus, by cooperation between men and demigods, prosperity will reign
for all.

In charge of the various necessities of life, the demigods, being
satisfied by the performance of yajïa [sacrifice], will supply all
necessities to you. But he who enjoys such gifts without offering them
to the demigods in return is certainly a thief. (Bg. 3.12)

The devotees of the Lord are released from all kinds of sins because
they eat food which is offered first for sacrifice. Others, who
prepare food for personal sense enjoyment, verily eat only sin. (Bg.
3.13)

All living bodies subsist on food grains, which are produced from
rains. Rains are produced by performance of yajna [sacrifice], and
yajna is born of prescribed duties. (Bg. 3.14)

Regulated activities are prescribed in the Vedas, and the Vedas are
directly manifested from the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Consequently the all-pervading Transcendence is eternally situated in
acts of sacrifice. (Bg. 3.15)

My dear Arjuna, one who does not follow in human life the cycle of
sacrifice thus established by the Vedas certainly leads a life full of
sin. Living only for the satisfaction of the senses, such a person
lives in vain. (Bg. 3.16)


http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://www.quora.com/profile/Jahnu-Das

http://youtu.be/Fq-n0bbhpaA

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM

[Harry Krishna]

Post by Jahnu
On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:58:03 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Absolutely nothing.
Krishna never existed.
Prove otherwise.

Why would I want to prove anything to you, Cloudboy? I don't give a
shit what a retard like you believe in.

That you won't go away, and are seemingly incapable of shutting the fuck up, makes that assertion less than convincing. Truth to be told, you're obviously as obsessed with what atheists believe as it is possible to be. That makes for a pretty stupid hobby of vomiting your religious beliefs all over an atheist newsgroup for years on end, but you're a pretty stupid person, so that's not a surprise.

[Cloud Hobbit]

Post by Jahnu

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Absolutely nothing.
Krishna never existed.
Prove otherwise.

Why would I want to prove anything to you, Cloudboy? I don't give a

shit what a retard like you believe in.

And nobody here cares what you think or believe And yet you waste your time here and have done so for years without any success.

Such behavior indicates you do care very much what I and others think. You'd love it if we all decided to go vegan and embrace the nonsense of Krishna "consciousness."

That make you an idiot as well as a troll.

Run along while the mud is still wet. I do hope it's mud in that picture. In any case, eww.

[%]

Post by Jahnu

Post by Jahnu

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Absolutely nothing.
Krishna never existed.
Prove otherwise.

Why would I want to prove anything to you, Cloudboy? I don't give a

shit what a retard like you believe in.
And nobody here cares what you think or believe And yet you waste your time here and have done so for years without any success.
Such behavior indicates you do care very much what I and others think. You'd love it if we all decided to go vegan and embrace the nonsense of Krishna "consciousness."
That make you an idiot as well as a troll.
Run along while the mud is still wet. I do hope it's mud in that picture. In any case, eww.

i care what he think which makes you a liar

[Cloud Hobbit]

Post by Jahnu
Why would I want to prove anything to you, Cloudboy?

You wouldn't, because you can't. You can't prove Krishna ever existed. You can't prove you aren't just another annoying troll desperately seeking attention for you and your imaginary God.

Post by Jahnu
I don't give a

shit what a retard like you believe in.

That's what you say to everyone who tells you your religious nonsense is unwelcome. Yet, day after day, week after week, and year after year you make an effort to push your religious nonsense at people you KNOW will not accept it. You call names, you insult, and you lie.

I don't have to understand your beliefs to understand that you piss off people just for fun.

Even your fellow Krishna loons find you obnoxious.

You serve no purpose posting where nobody wants to hear you. That's probably why you were banned from Quora, you can't play nice with others, especially those that reject your brand of religious crap.

[Jahnu]

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 10:46:01 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
You wouldn't, because you can't. You can't prove Krishna ever existed. You can't prove you aren't just another annoying troll desperately seeking attention for you and your imaginary God.

Again, why would I want to prove anything to a retard like you? :D I
don't give a shit what you believe in, Cloudboy.

Obviously, nobody is an atheist due to lack of evidence of God. In
fact, the last thing an atheist wants, is proof of God. The whole
world is proof of an intelligent designer. One becomes an atheist when
one does not want God in his life, not because there is no proof of
God. It’s as simple as that.


I mean, I can understand why someone would be against certain
religions. The theology of the Abrahamic religions, for instance, is
largely sectarian nonsense.

But to deny the obvious intelligent design observable in nature, to
actually suggest the world created itself out of a bunch of chemicals,
that’s just plain dumb.

Of course, only God can prove who He is, but there is empiric proof of
His existence. The irreducible complexity of living organisms is the
logical proof of the Intelligent Design of nature.

So ID is a direct, observable fact of nature.

Thus, ID comprises the empirical proof of God.
Irreducible complexity is like a car engine, where all the parts of
the engine are interdependent in their functions. The cylinders
function only in combination with the pistons, the pistons function
only in connection with the spark plugs, the spark plugs depend on the
electric system for their function, and son on. All the components of
the engine work only in combination with each-other.
In other words, a car engine is only functional as a complete unit. If
one component fails, the whole engine fails. Hence the term
irreducible complexity.


IOW, the idea that abiogenesis and evolution, with no guiding
intelligence behind it, produced all the living species, is basically
an affront to a working intellect.
To say, like atheists do, that the universe created itself out of a
bunch of chemicals, is like saying that a Mercedes Benz created itself
without any creative intelligence behind it.


Professor Werner Gitt, who works in the field of information science
writes:


“There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to
information, neither is there any physical process or material
phenomenon known that can do this. All languages, alphabets, and codes
that we know of, as well as the information spoken or written in them,
originated in minds. The blind faith of the atheist that the first
life was an exception to this fact is contrary to all known evidence.”
(Werner Gitt, In the Beginning Was Information, 1997, p. 79)

In my mind, however, apart from the fact that the ID observable in
nature is proof of God, and, say, if one’s brain is not equipped to
handle logic and reason, the best proof of God is that you become
totally happy by adding Krishna to your life.
Someone may object - you also become happy by smoking some dope or
winning the lottery, or having sex, what’s the difference? How is that
proof of God?

The thing about bodily or mental pleasures, though, is that they don’t
make the soul happy. Connecting to Krishna makes the soul happy, and
contrary to sense-gratification, which always ends in misery and
leaves you frustrated, the happiness of the soul is a constant fact.
Not only does the happiness of the soul not end, it only increases
more and more. It’s a deep and lasting bliss that is never interrupted
by suffering.

Sure, you may break a leg, your wife may leave you, your children may
think you’re a complete loser, or you may be depressed due to lack of
money, but the deep satisfaction of Krishna consciousness, once
established, never leaves the heart. And that’s the proof that Krishna
is God.

So, as the saying goes - the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Krishna says:

O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification. --Srimad
Bhagavatam 11.14.12








http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://www.quora.com/profile/Jahnu-Das

http://youtu.be/Fq-n0bbhpaA

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM

[Cloud Hobbit]

Post by Jahnu
Obviously, nobody is an atheist due to lack of evidence of God. In

fact, the last thing an atheist wants, is proof of God. The whole
world is proof of an intelligent designer. One becomes an atheist when
one does not want God in his life, not because there is no proof of
God. It’s as simple as that.

No, it's not.

Where is your proof of any God?

I became an atheist precisely because there is no evidence, and because there is a heaping load of bullshit in the bible, the supposed word of God. It makes no sense and much of it is flat out impossible.

YMMV

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
I became an atheist precisely because there is no evidence, and because there is a heaping load of bullshit in the bible, the supposed word of God. It makes no sense and much of it is flat out impossible.

Hahaha :D Listen to this fool. What's the Bible has got to do with
God? You really should try and get over the Abrahamic snot you grew up
with in the Disney culture that you're a product of.

You became an atheists because you're an envious little shit, ok,
Cloudboy?


Obviously, nobody is an atheist due to lack of evidence of God. In
fact, the last thing an atheist wants, is proof of God. The whole
world is proof of an intelligent designer. One becomes an atheist when
one does not want God in his life, not because there is no proof of
God. It’s as simple as that.


I mean, I can understand why someone would be against certain
religions. The theology of the Abrahamic religions, for instance, is
largely sectarian nonsense.

But to deny the obvious intelligent design observable in nature, to
actually suggest the world created itself out of a bunch of chemicals,
that’s just plain dumb.

Of course, only God can prove who He is, but there is empiric proof of
His existence. The irreducible complexity of living organisms is the
logical proof of the Intelligent Design of nature.

So ID is a direct, observable fact of nature.

Thus, ID comprises the empirical proof of God.
Irreducible complexity is like a car engine, where all the parts of
the engine are interdependent in their functions. The cylinders
function only in combination with the pistons, the pistons function
only in connection with the spark plugs, the spark plugs depend on the
electric system for their function, and son on. All the components of
the engine work only in combination with each-other.
In other words, a car engine is only functional as a complete unit. If
one component fails, the whole engine fails. Hence the term
irreducible complexity.


IOW, the idea that abiogenesis and evolution, with no guiding
intelligence behind it, produced all the living species, is basically
an affront to a working intellect.
To say, like atheists do, that the universe created itself out of a
bunch of chemicals, is like saying that a Mercedes Benz created itself
without any creative intelligence behind it.


Professor Werner Gitt, who works in the field of information science
writes:


“There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to
information, neither is there any physical process or material
phenomenon known that can do this. All languages, alphabets, and codes
that we know of, as well as the information spoken or written in them,
originated in minds. The blind faith of the atheist that the first
life was an exception to this fact is contrary to all known evidence.”
(Werner Gitt, In the Beginning Was Information, 1997, p. 79)

In my mind, however, apart from the fact that the ID observable in
nature is proof of God, and, say, if one’s brain is not equipped to
handle logic and reason, the best proof of God is that you become
totally happy by adding Krishna to your life.
Someone may object - you also become happy by smoking some dope or
winning the lottery, or having sex, what’s the difference? How is that
proof of God?

The thing about bodily or mental pleasures, though, is that they don’t
make the soul happy. Connecting to Krishna makes the soul happy, and
contrary to sense-gratification, which always ends in misery and
leaves you frustrated, the happiness of the soul is a constant fact.
Not only does the happiness of the soul not end, it only increases
more and more. It’s a deep and lasting bliss that is never interrupted
by suffering.

Sure, you may break a leg, your wife may leave you, your children may
think you’re a complete loser, or you may be depressed due to lack of
money, but the deep satisfaction of Krishna consciousness, once
established, never leaves the heart. And that’s the proof that Krishna
is God.

So, as the saying goes - the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Krishna says:

O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification. --Srimad
Bhagavatam 11.14.12








http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://www.quora.com/profile/Jahnu-Das

http://youtu.be/Fq-n0bbhpaA

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM

[Cloud Hobbit]

Post by Jahnu
On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
I became an atheist precisely because there is no evidence, and because there is a heaping load of bullshit in the bible, the supposed word of God. It makes no sense and much of it is flat out impossible.

Hahaha :D Listen to this fool. What's the Bible has got to do with
God?

Absolutyely nothing.

You really should try and get over the Abrahamic snot you grew up

Post by Jahnu
with in the Disney culture that you're a product of.

Oh, but I am way past over it.

Post by Jahnu
You became an atheists because you're an envious little shit, ok,
Cloudboy?
Obviously, nobody is an atheist due to lack of evidence of God.

Oh boy, more cut and paste repition of previous bullshit.
Just prove any god exists.

<snip usual crap>

[Jahnu]

On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:04:44 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Oh, but I am way past over it.

Prove it, Cloudboy. So far, all you have managed, is to come across as
a brain-dead Mickey Mouse clone. Obviosuly, you're not over it, so
prove it. Or what? We should just take your word for it? hahaha :D

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Oh boy, more cut and paste repition of previous bullshit.
Just prove any god exists.

Why would I want to prove God you, Cloudy? I couldn't care less what
you believe in.

Also, God doesn't give a shit whether you believe in Him or not. In
fact, God doesn't want a piece of shit like you near Him. He stays far
away from dumb and indoctrinated citizens like you.

Krishna says:

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I
am unborn and infallible. (Bg 7.25)




http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://www.quora.com/profile/Jahnu-Das

http://youtu.be/Fq-n0bbhpaA

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM

[Cloud Hobbit]

Post by Jahnu
Prove it, Cloudboy. So far, all you have managed, is to come across as

a brain-dead Mickey Mouse clone. Obviosuly, you're not over it, so
prove it. Or what? We should just take your word for it? hahaha :D

Like you expect us to do with your copy pasta and irrational rants and lies?

Post by Jahnu

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Oh boy, more cut and paste repition of previous bullshit.

Just prove any god exists.
Why would I want to prove God you, Cloudy? I couldn't care less what

you believe in.

Then why post here and why respond? You seem to care very much what people in this NG think or else you wouldn't keep posting the same old crap day in and day out.
You've been caught lying many times, so there's no reason to believe you now.

Post by Jahnu
Also, God doesn't give a shit whether you believe in Him or not.

And you know this how?

Post by Jahnu
In

fact, God doesn't want a piece of shit like you near Him. He stays far
away from dumb and indoctrinated citizens like you.

Again, how would you know?
Are you now claiming to speak with your imaginary God?

You're a troll, repeating the same crap that you know nobody hear cares about or believes and who are unlikely to ever agree with.

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 12:34:48 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Then why post here and why respond?

I'm here to kick you pimply atheist ass, moron.

Post by Cloud Hobbit
And you know this how?

Krishna says:


My dear Arjuna, only by undivided devotional service can I be
understood as I am, standing before you, and can thus be seen
directly. Only in this way can you enter into the mysteries of My
understanding. (Bg. 11.54)


http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://www.quora.com/profile/Jahnu-Das

http://youtu.be/Fq-n0bbhpaA

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM

[Cloud Hobbit]

Post by Jahnu
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 12:34:48 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Then why post here and why respond?

I'm here to kick you pimply atheist ass, moron.

LOL. You are your own worst enemy. You post lies and copypasta and fake research that proves nothing, then become snotty when you're exposed as the fraud we all know you are.
https://piv.pivpiv.dk/

Post by Jahnu

Post by Cloud Hobbit
And you know this how?

My dear Arjuna, only by undivided devotional service can I be
understood as I am, standing before you, and can thus be seen
directly. Only in this way can you enter into the mysteries of My
understanding. (Bg. 11.54)

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 17:07:44 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
LOL. You are your own worst enemy. You post lies and copypasta and fake research that proves nothing, then become snotty when you're exposed as the fraud we all know you are.

...said the guy who can't even figure out how to turn on line-breaks
:D

Krishna says:

One must deliver himself with the help of his mind, and not degrade
himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy
as well. (Bg. 6.5)

For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends;
but for one who has failed to do so, his mind will remain the greatest
enemy. (Bg. 6.6)


http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://www.quora.com/profile/Jahnu-Das

http://youtu.be/Fq-n0bbhpaA

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM

[Harry Krishna]

Post by Jahnu
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 12:34:48 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Then why post here and why respond?

I'm here to kick you pimply atheist ass, moron.

It's cute that you believe that.

[Lucifer]

On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
I became an atheist precisely because there is no evidence, and
because there is a heaping load of bullshit in the bible, the
supposed word of God. It makes no sense and much of it is flat out
impossible.

That is undeniable.

[Harry Krishna]

Post by Jahnu
On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 08:28:09 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
I became an atheist precisely because there is no evidence, and because there is a heaping load of bullshit in the bible, the supposed word of God. It makes no sense and much of it is flat out impossible.

Hahaha :D Listen to this fool. What's the Bible has got to do with
God? You really should try and get over the Abrahamic snot you grew up
with in the Disney culture that you're a product of.

The Bible is neither more nor less ridiculous than the Bhagavad-Gita, but you have no way of evaluating that, being as dumb as a sack of wheat, and twice as ignorant.

Post by Jahnu
You became an atheists because you're an envious little shit, ok,
Cloudboy?

Someone who is envious of God is a theist by definition. You really are a hopeless idiot

Post by Jahnu
Obviously, nobody is an atheist due to lack of evidence of God.

Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.

Post by Jahnu
In
fact, the last thing an atheist wants, is proof of God.

A poor excuse for your failure to present any.

Post by Jahnu
The whole
world is proof of an intelligent designer.

"The universe exists, therefore, it was magicked into existence by some omniscient being" isn't an argument for a deity, it's an argument that you don't understand basic informal logic.

Post by Jahnu
One becomes an atheist when
one does not want God in his life, not because there is no proof of
God. It’s as simple as that.

If there was evidence for a deity, I'd be the first to accept it. My desires are irrelevant, as are yours.

Post by Jahnu
I mean, I can understand

You've never shown that ability before, so why should anyone believe you now?

Post by Jahnu
why someone would be against certain
religions. The theology of the Abrahamic religions, for instance, is
largely sectarian nonsense.

It is neither more nor less nonsensical than your preferred scripture. But you'd have no way to judge that: your knowledge of your own scripture is questionable, and your knowledge of other world religions is non-existent.

[Jahnu]

On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:18:59 -0800 (PST), "michellemalkingmail.com"

Many of us have asked Jesper to provide evidence that Krishna ever existed.
By ignoring us and only going after you, Jesper proves that he can't prove
that Krishna ever existed. His insults are also proof that he is a very
minor and poor Krishna worshipper. Jesper does more damage than good to
his religion.

awww, is it now I break down sobbing, and beg forgiveness? :D

Obviously, nobody is an atheist due to lack of evidence of God. In
fact, the last thing an atheist wants, is proof of God. The whole
world is proof of an intelligent designer. One becomes an atheist when
one does not want God in his life, not because there is no proof of
God. It’s as simple as that.


I mean, I can understand why someone would be against certain
religions. The theology of the Abrahamic religions, for instance, is
largely sectarian nonsense.

But to deny the obvious intelligent design observable in nature, to
actually suggest the world created itself out of a bunch of chemicals,
that’s just plain dumb.

Of course, only God can prove who He is, but there is empiric proof of
His existence. The irreducible complexity of living organisms is the
logical proof of the Intelligent Design of nature. ID is a direct,
observable fact of nature. Thus, ID comprises the empirical proof of
God.

Irreducible complexity is like a car engine, where all the parts of
the engine are interdependent in their functions. The cylinders
function only in combination with the pistons, the pistons function
only in connection with the spark plugs, the spark plugs depend on the
electric system for their function, and son on. All the components of
the engine work only in combination with each-other.

In other words, a car engine is only functional as a complete unit. If
one component fails, the whole engine fails. Hence the term
irreducible complexity.


IOW, the idea that abiogenesis and evolution, with no guiding
intelligence behind it, produced all the living species, is basically
an affront to a working intellect.

To say, like atheists do, that the universe created itself out of a
bunch of chemicals, is like saying that a Mercedes Benz created itself
without any creative intelligence behind it.


Professor Werner Gitt, who works in the field of information science
writes:


“There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to
information, neither is there any physical process or material
phenomenon known that can do this. All languages, alphabets, and codes
that we know of, as well as the information spoken or written in them,
originated in minds. The blind faith of the atheist that the first
life was an exception to this fact is contrary to all known evidence.”

(Werner Gitt, In the Beginning Was Information, 1997, p. 79)

In my mind, however, apart from the fact that the ID observable in
nature is proof of God, and, say, if one’s brain is not equipped to
handle logic and reason, the best proof of God is that you become
totally happy by adding Krishna to your life.

Someone may object - you also become happy by smoking some dope or
winning the lottery, or having sex, what’s the difference? How is that
proof of God?

The thing about bodily or mental pleasures, though, is that they don’t
make the soul happy. Connecting to Krishna makes the soul happy, and
contrary to sense-gratification, which always ends in misery and
leaves you frustrated, the happiness of the soul is a constant fact.
Not only does the happiness of the soul not end, it only increases
more and more. It’s a deep and lasting bliss that is never interrupted
by suffering.

Sure, you may break a leg, your wife may leave you, your children may
think you’re a complete loser, or you may be depressed due to lack of
money, but the deep satisfaction of Krishna consciousness, once
established, never leaves the heart. And that’s the proof that Krishna
is God.

So, as the saying goes - the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Krishna says:

O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification. --Srimad
Bhagavatam 11.14.12








http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://www.quora.com/profile/Jahnu-Das

http://youtu.be/Fq-n0bbhpaA

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM

[Lucifer]

On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:18:59 -0800 (PST), "michellemalkingmail.com"

Many of us have asked Jesper to provide evidence that Krishna ever existed.
By ignoring us and only going after you, Jesper proves that he can't prove
that Krishna ever existed. His insults are also proof that he is a very
minor and poor Krishna worshipper. Jesper does more damage than good to
his religion.

Jesper is using religion to hit people over the head because he
hates everyone.

[Melzzzzz]

Post by Jahnu
On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:18:59 -0800 (PST), "michellemalkingmail.com"

Many of us have asked Jesper to provide evidence that Krishna ever existed.
By ignoring us and only going after you, Jesper proves that he can't prove
that Krishna ever existed. His insults are also proof that he is a very
minor and poor Krishna worshipper. Jesper does more damage than good to
his religion.

Jesper is using religion to hit people over the head because he
hates everyone.

It is obvious that Krishna is fictious character, from book of fiction.
How one can prove that any fictious character is real?

[Jahnu]

Post by Melzzzzz
It is obvious that Krishna is fictious character, from book of fiction.
How one can prove that any fictious character is real?

The only fictitious character here is you :)

Funny, how a fictitious character could predict the Hare Krishna
movement already 5000 years ago in the Vedas, eh?

In the future, the general population will lose their faith in the
materialistic view of life - gradual evolution, life from chemicals, a
random formation of the universe etc. - theories that are without
scientific evidence, and that are met with increasing incredulity by
prominent scientists, but which are none the less propagated to the
population as scientific, well-established facts.

Due to the Bhakti-movement started in the 1500s by Sri Chaitanya
Mahaprabhu, who is Krishna Himself, and of which Hare Krishna is the
modern off-shoot, there is a trend of increasing awareness of God and
the spiritual dimensions of life happening in the world.

It’s a very slow process, this is after all Kali-yuga, the most
degraded of ages, but if we have some historical awareness, we will
know that the truth-sayers in any society have always begun as a
scorned and ridiculed minority.

Once, Srila Prabhupada stated that one day people will thank the Hare
Krishnas for saving the world. This is not just the idle statement of
some wishful thinking. Srila Prabhupada is predicted in the Puranas by
God Himself.

Krishna says (to Ganga-devi):

After the first 5,000 years of Kaliyuga has elapsed, a pure devotee
will be born and he will spread the chanting of Krishna’s holy names
all over the world. (Brahma Vaivarta Purana)

And it was also foretold by Bhaktivinode Thakur more than a hundred
years ago:

Very soon the unparalleled path of hari-nama sankirtana will be
propagated all over the world. Oh, for that day when the fortunate
English, French, Russian, German, and American people will take up
banners, mridangas, and karatalas and raise kirtana through their
streets and towns! When will that day come?

(Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura Sajjana Tosani 4.3, 'Nityadharma Suryodoy'
1885)

Srila Prabhupada says:

Our fighting is against atheism. They say, there is no God. God is
dead. I am God. You are God. We are fighting against these principles.
So our fighting is very strong. Don't think that we are sitting idly.
I have come here to fight with these atheists. We go everywhere. We
are fighting with atheists all over the world.

You cannot expect a favourable situation. And still you have to
preach. That is preaching. They will speak like madmen, so many
things. They are mad, after all. nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad
indriya-pritaya aprnoti. They have no sense. All materialistic persons
are madmen. Still, by the order of superior, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, we
have to do this preaching work. Actually, the American boys are
fighting against so many unfavourable situations. They are sometimes
beaten in the airport, do you know that? Still they are preaching.
That is preaching.


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Post by Jahnu
On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:18:59 -0800 (PST), "michellemalkingmail.com"

Many of us have asked Jesper to provide evidence that Krishna ever existed.
By ignoring us and only going after you, Jesper proves that he can't prove
that Krishna ever existed. His insults are also proof that he is a very
minor and poor Krishna worshipper. Jesper does more damage than good to
his religion.

Jesper is using religion to hit people over the head because he
hates everyone.

He's a lazy bum who was looking for someone to take care of him when
college and drugs became too difficult, so he let the Krishna Hippy
Hops carry him off. He's been bumming off of them ever since.
He's Danish, not Indian.

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 21:46:22 -0800 (PST), "michellemalkingmail.com"

Post by michellemalkingmail.com
He's a lazy bum who was looking for someone to take care of him when
college and drugs became too difficult, so he let the Krishna Hippy
Hops carry him off. He's been bumming off of them ever since.
He's Danish, not Indian.

I grew up in Denmark in the 60s and 70s. Even though Denmark has a
state supported Lutheran Church, it’s considered a very atheistic
country.

In the 60s and 70s, religious people were considered weirdos. No one
in my family, circle of friends or teachers in school believed in God.
Thus I grew up as a complete atheist. Later in life, probably from
smoking ganja, I began wondering about God and the higher dimensions
of life. I was around 19 by then. Also, another reason I started
wondering about God - I couldn’t understand that even though I got all
the sex, drugs and rock’nroll, I could possibly want, I was never
really satisfied. I always felt something lacking.

I tried so many things. I tried to be an intellectual communist. I
read all the books in the library on philosophy and religion. One book
I was quite attracted to was one written by Paul Brunton - an American
who went to India to find a guru, but couldn’t commit to any, so he
wrote his own book. I forget what it was called. But now I know it was
inspired by impersonal, Mayavada philosophy.

I became very critical of society. Me and and some of my friends even
talked about joining Bader-Mainhof of Rote Arme Fraktion, but luckily
it remained the idle talk of a bunch of stoners.

I tried to be a Buddhist. I tried yoga and meditation. I practiced
pranayama. At that time I met the Mormons, and they gave me my first
experience of God. I converted to the Mormons. I was baptized and
everything. But there were too many questions they had no good answers
to. At that time I was on a quest to find the truth and real purpose
of life. I was very attracted to the ideas of karma and reincarnation.

One day, I was 24 by then, I was very frustrated in existential
anxiety and I called out to Jesus - Oh Christ, please show me the way.
And lo and behold, the very next day my girl-friend came home… she
said - I met this weird dude on the street and he wouldn’t let me go
until I had taken this book, and she threw it at me - here I know you
are interested in this shit. It turned out she had met a Hare Krishna,
who gave her The Science of Self-realization in Danish. As soon as I
read that book, I knew I had found God and the meaning of life. Half a
year later I moved into the Hare Krishna temple in Copenhagen. That
was in 1982. So it took me, like, 5 years from I began my search for
the truth of life, and till I met the Hare Krishnas.

Thank God for Prabhupada and vice versa… and Jesus showed me the way
:)

Krishna says:

After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge
surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all
that is. Such a great soul is very rare. (Bg 7.19)



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Post by Jahnu
On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:18:59 -0800 (PST), "michellemalkingmail.com"

Many of us have asked Jesper to provide evidence that Krishna ever existed.
By ignoring us and only going after you, Jesper proves that he can't prove
that Krishna ever existed. His insults are also proof that he is a very
minor and poor Krishna worshipper. Jesper does more damage than good to
his religion.

Jesper is using religion to hit people over the head because he
hates everyone.

Jesper hates everyone because he hates his worthless self.

[LinuxGal]

Post by Jahnu
Obviously, nobody is an atheist due to lack of evidence of God.

Out of your abundance of evidence of God, lay the best one
on us. Now's your chance to lay this ancient question to
rest once and for all.

[unknown]

Post by LinuxGal

Post by Jahnu
Obviously, nobody is an atheist due to lack of evidence of God.

Out of your abundance of evidence of God, lay the best one
on us. Now's your chance to lay this ancient question to
rest once and for all.

Pinch yourself, Teresita. Did it hurt? There's your proof.

You exist. Without God's creation, you would not exist.

[Cloud Hobbit]

Post by unknown
You exist. Without God's creation, you would not exist.

An opinion you get to have.

[Jahnu]

Post by LinuxGal
Out of your abundance of evidence of God, lay the best one
on us. Now's your chance to lay this ancient question to
rest once and for all.

hahaha :D You are kidding, right? Why would I want to prove anything
to an intellectual retard like you? I couldn't give a shit what you
believe in.

Obviously, nobody is an atheist due to lack of evidence of God. In
fact, the last thing an atheist wants, is proof of God. The whole
world is proof of an intelligent designer. One becomes an atheist when
one does not want God in his life, not because there is no proof of
God. It’s as simple as that.

I mean, I can understand why someone would be against certain
religions. The theology of the Abrahamic religions, for instance, is
largely sectarian nonsense.

But to deny the obvious intelligent design observable in nature, to
actually suggest the world created itself out of a bunch of chemicals,
that’s just plain dumb.

Of course, only God can prove who He is, but there is empiric proof of
His existence. The irreducible complexity of living organisms is the
logical proof of the Intelligent Design of nature.

So ID is a direct, observable fact of nature.

Thus, ID comprises the empirical proof of God.
Irreducible complexity is like a car engine, where all the parts of
the engine are interdependent in their functions. The cylinders
function only in combination with the pistons, the pistons function
only in connection with the spark plugs, the spark plugs depend on the
electric system for their function, and son on. All the components of
the engine work only in combination with each-other.

In other words, a car engine is only functional as a complete unit. If
one component fails, the whole engine fails. Hence the term
irreducible complexity.


IOW, the idea that abiogenesis and evolution, with no guiding
intelligence behind it, produced all the living species, is basically
an affront to a working intellect.

To say, like atheists do, that the universe created itself out of a
bunch of chemicals, is like saying that a Mercedes Benz created itself
without any creative intelligence behind it.


Professor Werner Gitt, who works in the field of information science
writes:

“There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to
information, neither is there any physical process or material
phenomenon known that can do this. All languages, alphabets, and codes
that we know of, as well as the information spoken or written in them,
originated in minds. The blind faith of the atheist that the first
life was an exception to this fact is contrary to all known evidence.”

(Werner Gitt, In the Beginning Was Information, 1997, p. 79)

In my mind, however, apart from the fact that the ID observable in
nature is proof of God, and, say, if one’s brain is not equipped to
handle logic and reason, the best proof of God is that you become
totally happy by adding Krishna to your life.
Someone may object - you also become happy by smoking some dope or
winning the lottery, or having sex, what’s the difference? How is that
proof of God?

The thing about bodily or mental pleasures, though, is that they don’t
make the soul happy. Connecting to Krishna makes the soul happy, and
contrary to sense-gratification, which always ends in misery and
leaves you frustrated, the happiness of the soul is a constant fact.
Not only does the happiness of the soul not end, it only increases
more and more. It’s a deep and lasting bliss that is never interrupted
by suffering.

Sure, you may break a leg, your wife may leave you, your children may
think you’re a complete loser, or you may be depressed due to lack of
money, but the deep satisfaction of Krishna consciousness, once
established, never leaves the heart. And that’s the proof that Krishna
is God.

So, as the saying goes - the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Krishna says:

O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification. --Srimad
Bhagavatam 11.14.12







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Post by Jahnu
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 10:46:01 -0800 (PST), Cloud Hobbit

Post by Cloud Hobbit
You wouldn't, because you can't. You can't prove Krishna ever existed. You can't prove you aren't just another annoying troll desperately seeking attention for you and your imaginary God.

Again, why would I want to prove anything to a retard like you? :D I
don't give a shit what you believe in, Cloudboy.

Then shut your fucking ignorant piehole and move on already, you obsessed lunatic.

[Harry Krishna]

Post by Jahnu
Absolutely.
Modern people have the idea, that just because some literature is very
old and describes fantastic events that defy the modern understanding
of a natural world, then this literature must certainly be myths and
fantasies.

That's a fairly safe bet, but do go on.

Post by Jahnu
For instance, Mahabharata is one such piece of literature. In
Mahabharata events are described that totally defy our modern
understanding of physics. But Mahabharata was written by Srila
Vyasadeva.

Or so you claim.

Post by Jahnu
Why would an illustrious and venerated sage like Srila
Vyasadeva - the literary incarnation of God

Whoa there! You haven't even established that this character is real, much less "the literary incarnation of God". You also haven't established that "God" exists, one might note.

Post by Jahnu
- waste his time by
telling adventure stories for kids? There is no good reason to think
that.

Which is probably why no one thinks that. Scriptures are typically written to control adults, not to entertain kids. Which bring us to the obvious question: why do you feel the need to discuss topics you clearly have never studied?

<snip pointless collection of religious assertions>

[JWS]

Post by Jahnu
Absolutely.
Modern people have the idea, that just because some literature is very
old and describes fantastic events that defy the modern understanding
of a natural world, then this literature must certainly be myths and
fantasies.
For instance, Mahabharata is one such piece of literature. In
Mahabharata events are described that totally defy our modern
understanding of physics. But Mahabharata was written by Srila
Vyasadeva. Why would an illustrious and venerated sage like Srila
Vyasadeva - the literary incarnation of God - waste his time by
telling adventure stories for kids? There is no good reason to think
that. Only prejudice and modern, atheistic indoctrination would make a
person think that.
The reality-description offered in the Bhagavad Gita by Krishna
according to the three modes of material nature is by far the most
ingenious, sophisticated, consistent and scientific explanation of
reality available on the planet. It's a science that can be tested and
verified like any other science.
Note, that Krishna is the only person so far in human history, who has
defined reality as opposed to illusion or unreality. He has defined
real as that which is eternal and unreal as that which is temporary.
Try and ask a modern scientist, what is his definition of real and
unreal, and see how far you get... You'll get some technical mumbo
jumbo that boils down to - but, but it's all chemicals. That's what
you'll get - something that has absolutely nothing to do with the
reality you live in, or the reality you perceive.
So to reject the Vedic literature as mythology, just because it
doesn't fit into the Mickey Mouse conceptions of modern man, is no
less than extremely biased.
One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and
activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in
this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna. — Bg 4.9
Krishna and Mahabharata : Historical reality
By Desh (Aug. 31, 2009)
Dr Manish Pandit, a nuclear medicine physician from UK is making a
movie on Krishna as a historic figure. Pandit has based his movie on
dates and timelines coming out of scientific based research by
credible evidence based on Archeology, Astronomy and Linguistics,
apart from Oral evidence from Indian tradition. Mahabharat War started
on November 22, 3067 BC. This comes out of astronomical evidence. And
the astronomical juxtapositions are not arbitrary or those that could
happen in any decade or such... but some of them have not happened
since.
They are THAT rare a phenomenon. Saturn at Rohini and Mars at Jyestha
with two eclipses - a Lunar eclipse at Kartik and Solar eclipse at
Jyesth. (these are from Udyoga and Bhisma Parvan).
(1)Amavasya occurs in Jyestha in 19 years
(2) (1) PLUS Solar Eclipse in Jyesth occurs in 340 years.
(3) (2) PLUS Saturn at Rohini occurs ONCE in 7000 years.
So, that constellation in astronomy has NOT occured since Mahabharat.
The date - exact one - when that would have happened is Nov 22, 3067
BC. Update: i found an article which is very well written, which I am
afraid may go away from that site. I have reproduced it at the bottom.
Not only that, but the latter events like destruction of Dwarka (based
on the astronomical events mentioned around that) occur at EXACTLY as
the text says - 36 years later.
Pandit has based his research on work of Dr Narhari Achar (a professor
of physics at the University of Memphis, Tennessee, in the US).
According to Achar, Krishna was born in 3112 BC. However, another
person has used dates and astronomical events to zero in on the dates
of that time, Arun K Bansal. According to him, Krishna was born on
July 21, 3228 BC anddied at 2 pm on February 18, 3102 BC. That is when
Kali Yuga is supposed to have started and Dwapar Yug came to an end.
So, Bansal's dates are a few decades prior to Achar's dates. However,
there are more people who side with Dr. Achar (refer to the article
reproduced below). Here are a few dates that can be identified with
respect to the dates by Dr. Achar: § Lord Krishna, on His final peace
mission, set out for Hastinapur on 26th September, 3067 B.C. when the
moon was at the asterism Revati.
§ Lord Krishna arrived Hastinapur on 28th September, 3067 B.C., when
the moon was at the asterism Bharani.
§ The full moon and lunar eclipse at Krittika occurred on 29th
September, 3067 B.C.
§ The solar eclipse at Jyestha occurred on 14th October, 3067 B.C.
§ Lord Balarama set out for pilgrimage on 1st November, 3067 B.C.
§ The War began on 22nd November, 3067 B.C.
§ Lord Balarama concluded His pilgrimage on 12th December, 3067 B.C.
§ The winter solstice occurred on 13th January, 3066 B.C.
§ Bhishma died on 17th January, 3066 B.C.
§ The comet Mahaghora appeared at the asterism Pushya in October, 3066
B.C.
Mahabharat dates and Historical Events
Interestingly, the decades when Dwapar Yuga is supposed to have ended
and Kali Yug supposed to have started as per these dates.. were also
the years of some MAJOR climatic shift on earth - due most probably to
major shifts in Solar Activity! Some of the MAJOR things that
§ Sahara region changed from a habitable land to a barren desert!
§ Glaciers Expanded covering plants.
§ Atmospheric temperatures fell drastically.
This was also the time, when Harrapan Civilization or Sindhu-Saraswati
Civilization is supposed to have began.
Some people believe that Mahabharat was a Nuclear War. Why? Because of
some explanations that defy contemporary knowledge of weapons that
people of THAT time could conceivably have created. Weapons with such
impact could not have been conjured up just out of nowhere..
REPEATEDLY.. in various parts of the text. See below for one such
description of its effects. It is not surprising that even in the
modern world, Robert Oppenheimer, Nuclear Scientist jumped up after
seeing the Atomic blast and cited a similar verse from Gita (part of
Mahabharat).
Now, if you see the extreme climactic changes - creation of desert out
of habitable land in Sahara and drastic fall in atmospheric
temperature as if Solar Activity had changed - it may not be entirely
unlikely, that those climatic shifts may have mimicked a Nuclear
Winter.
Mahabharat is a fantastic epic and one which would have required MORE
than just imagination to write. No writer has ever written something
so completely OUT of whack with his times, mores and thinking... as a
Mahabharat within the context of History as taught in our school texts
suggests. It seems so fantastic that even the idea seems absurd! That
alone - the imagination of a writer 5000 years ago to write something
that (if linera historical progress is taken to be true) ONLY people
of today could have seen/heard/experienced/imagined! Its not just
wishful imagination - as parting of seas et al - but very exact
descriptions of things that happen today and could happen tomorrow.
The philosophy of Gita is hitherto unparalleled in the spiritual
realm. No Saint, prophet, Master, or mystic has covered so many
topologies - Knowledge, Devotion, Action, - with so much mastery. What
I am trying to say is that you cannot get something out of nowhere.
You can only conjure up stuff that is there in your immediate
consciousness.
Fantasies and miracles in knowledge dont make sense to me! An
incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand
suns, rose with all its splendour. It was an unknown weapon, an iron
thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the
entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas. The corpses were so
burned as to be unrecognizable. Hair and nails fell out; Pottery broke
without apparent cause, and the birds turned white. .After a few hours
all foodstuffs were infected. .to escape from this fire the soldiers
threw themselves in streams to wash themselves and their equipment.”
1. 'Lord Krishna existed. School texts are wrong'
2. Krishna (b. July 21, 3228 BC)
3. 33rd century BC
4. Pre-historic Nuclear War and ancient Flying Aircraft uncovered
Historicity of Mahabharat
In January 2001, Indian History Congress was holding its Annual
Conference at the Alipur Campus of the University of Calcutta and at
the concluding session of the said Conference the Nobel Laureate
economist Dr. Amartya Sen, while addressing the delegates, said that
Ramayana and Mahabharata do not have any historical value. These two
epics are simply mythology and nothing but poets’ fancy. He also said
that neither Rama nor Krishna was a historical personality and both of
them were simply mythical. Gandhiji wrote two commentaries on
Shrimadbhagavadgita, Anasaktiyoga and Gitabodha, and in the
introduction of the former work, he wrote, “Generally Mahabharata is
taken to be a historical work.
But in my opinion, it is not so. I cannot say that Ramayana and
Mahabharata are historical works. They are simply religious works. If
you are still inclined to treat them as historical works, then I
should say that they are nothing but the history of the Self (Atma).
They do not contain what happened thousands of years ago. On the
contrary, they are the reflections of what is happening today in every
soul”.
About Lord Krishna, he wrote, ”Krishna of Gita is the embodiment of
pure and divine knowledge, but without having any physical existence.
By this the Avatar Krishna is not denied at all, but only it is said
that He is mythical”. It is not difficult to understand that all such
utterances of Sen, Gandhi and many other like minded Indians derive
inspiration from the Western interpretation of Indian history. Most of
the Western scholars firmly believe that our ancestors grossly
neglected writing history and what we claim to be our history is
nothing but mythology. So M. Winternitz in his History of Indian
Literature writes, “History is one weak spot in Indian literature. It
is, in fact, non-existent.
The total lack of historical sense is so characteristic that the whole
course of Sanskrit literature is darkened by the defect”. The renowned
German scholar Max Muller, in his History of Ancient Sanskrit
Literature, writes, “No wonder that a nation like India cared so
little for history”. “With regard to history, the Hindus have done
really nothing but romances from which some truth may occasionally be
extracted”, says another Western scholar Major Wilford. These scholars
refuse to accept Ramayana, Mahabharata and the Puranas as historical
works as there are no mention of year and dates of the events
described therein. But people of this country firmly believe that
Ramayana, Mahabharata and the Puranas are their history and not simply
epics or poets’ fancy. So Dr. S. Kalyanaraman, the director of the
Chennai based Saraswati River Research Centre, says that the
historicity of the events described in Ramayana and Mahabharata is
validated by two evidences: one is based on tradition and the other is
based on jyotisha, or planetary configurations and other celestial
events narrated along with mundane events described in those epics,
which may be called sky epigraphs.
So far tradition is concerned, people of this nation believe that Lord
Rama was born on the day of Ramanavami and Lord Krishna was born on
the day of Janmastami and so on. In fact, there is a long list of such
traditional beliefs such as: Bhishma died on the Bhishmastami day, on
the day of Vijaya Dashami, Lord Rama celebrated the day, with His
army, as the day of victory after killing Ravana and defeating his
army just on the previous day, on the day of Deepavali, Lord Rama
returned to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile and the people of Ayodhya
celebrated the day and decorated their houses by lighting lamps and
the tradition is still being continued; the War of Kurukshetra began
on the day of Gita Jayanti and so on and so forth. It is really
strange that the people of Western Garhwal, now in the state of
Uttaranchal, observe every year the Duryodhana Festival.
There also exists a temple dedicated to Duryodhana where people offer
their puja and many believe that the city of Varanavat, where
Duryodhana tried to burn the Pandavas alive, was situated in that
locality. It is also really striking that people of this country offer
water in memory of Bhishma during shraddha ceremony. The point to be
highlighted here is that, had all these been poets’ fancy and
mythical, the traditions could not have been continued for such a long
time.
The aspect of celestial epigraph, or planetary positions described in
these epics, particularly in Mahabharata, undoubtedly shows that the
said epics do mention the dates of events described therein, which the
Western scholars failed miserably to understand. In Mahabharata alone
there are 150 instances where worldly events are mentioned along with
the planetary positions in the sky. And, in addition to that, other
astronomical events such as occurrence of an eclipse, or appearance of
a comet, or rare events like shower of meteorites have been mentioned.
A few of such examples may be mentioned below The Udyoga Parva of
Mahabharata narrates that, just before the War, Lord Krishna, in His
final peace mission, went to Hastinapur in the month of Kartika. He
set out on the day when moon was at the asterism Revati. On His way to
Hastinapur, Krishna took rest for a day at a place called Brikasthala,
and on that day the moon was at the asterism Bharani.
The day on which Duryodhana turned down each and every effort of Lord
Krishna to make peace and made the war inevitable, the moon was
resting at the asterism Pushya. And the Lord left Hastinapura with
Karna, on the day when the moon was yet to reach the asterism Uttara
Phalguni. As mentioned above, Karna accompanied Him to some distance
to see Him off and he then described to the Lord the positions of
planets in the sky and expressed his apprehension that such a
planetary configuration stood for very bad omen: such as large scale
loss of life and drenching of blood. Vyasadeva narrated all these
planetary positions in as many as sixteen verses as if someone was
describing it after visualizing them in the sky. It is also well known
that during the War, Lord Balarama went on a pilgrimage to holy places
along the banks of the River Saraswati and Mahabharata describes the
position of the moon during the entire course of pilgrimage.
For example, He set out on the day when the moon was at the asterism
Pushya and returned on the day when the moon was at the asterism
Shravana.
The Mahabharata also mentions the occurrence of a solar eclipse at the
asterism Jyestha and a lunar eclipse at the asterism Krittika, just
before the beginning of the War. It also mentions the appearance of a
comet at the asterism Pushya, on the 8th day of the bright half of the
month of Magha, when Bhishma died. On that day the moon was at the
asterism Rohini and it was the day of Winter Solstice.
The day on which Ghatotkacha, son of Bhima, died, the moon appeared at
the horizon at 2.00 a.m. The epic also mentions the occurrence of a
very rare astronomical event that took place prior to the War: three
eclipses, two lunar and a solar, within a lunar month of 27 days.
There is also another continuing tradition in this country that says
that the beginning of the present Kali Yuga, Kurukshetra War, death of
Lord Krishna and coronation of Emperor Yudhishthira were contemporary
events.
Famous astronomer Aryabhatta in his celebrated work Aryabhatiyam had
accepted the said tradition and used the word “Bharatapurvam” in the
said work very often and scholars agree that he used the word to refer
to such events that occurred before the Mahabharata War. In 1991, Dr.
D. Abhayankar and Dr. Ballabh of the Osmania University calculated
that the present Kali Yuga began on 7th February, 3104 B.C. But it is
now well accepted by the both Eastern and the Western scholars that
the present Kali Yuga began on the midnight of 17th and 18th February,
3102 B.C. And hence it can roughly be said that the Mahabharata War
took place nearly 5000 years ago from now.
Today, man has created a machine called computer which, though most
idiotic, can do mathematical calculations at an incredible speed.
According to a popular ad of a computer company, the calculations
which Johannes Kepler took ten years to complete, can be done today
within minutes, using a computer. It has therefore been possible for
the scientists, with the help of this fantastic machine, to determine
the dates of ancient events with unthinkable accuracy, using the
planetary configurations given in the Mahabharata , as inputs. They
have developed so many software for this purpose and to name a few
are: (1) Planetarium, (2) Ecliptic, (3) Lode star and the(4) Panchang
Software. In 2003, a two day seminar was held on 5th and 6th January,
in Bangalore, on “The Date of Mahabharata War: Based on Astronomical
Data Using Planetarium Software”, and a few of the eminent researchers
who submitted papers were (1) Dr. S. Balakrishna of NASA, USA; (2) Dr.
B. N. Narahari Achar, Department of Physics, Memphis University, USA;
(3) Dr. R. N. Iyengar, Department of Civil Engineering, IISc,
Bangalore; (4) Dr. S. Kalyanaraman, Saraswati River Research Centre,
Chennai and so on.
These scientists agree that there does not exist any contradiction
between any two descriptions of planetary configurations given in the
Mahabharata. Dr. S. Balakrishna has studied the eclipses, both solar
and lunar, described in the Mahabharata and tried to find out the
dates of those eclipses using the Lode Star Software. Generally 240
solar and 150 lunar eclipses occur in a century and during the period
from 3300 B.C. to 700 B.C. nearly 6000 solar and 4000 lunar eclipses
took place, though not all of them were visible from India, or to be
more precise, from Kurukshetra. Out of them, 672 were eclipse pairs,
or both solar and lunar eclipses within a lunar month. Dr. Balakrishna
studied the eclipses those have been mentioned in the text of
Mahabharata. In fact, there are mentions of solar eclipses at 8 places
in Mahabharata, out of which three of them are very important.
Firstly, the solar eclipse that is mentioned in the Sabha Parva. The
second solar eclipse which is mentioned in the Udyoga Parva to which
Karna tried to draw the attention of Lord Krishna when He was
returning from Hastinapur. The third important solar eclipse has been
mentioned in the Shalya Parva, that occurred along with two lunar
eclipses within a month. Many believe that there was a total solar
eclipse occurred on the 13th day of the War, which has been
allegorically mentioned as covering the sun by Lord Krishna with is
His Sudarshan Chakra. The epic Mahabharata has so many other aspects
which common people do not know. Firstly, the epic as we see it today
containing 100,000 verses was not the creation of Vedavyasa. He
composed what was then known as the Jai, containing only 8,800 verses.
Later on Rishi Vaishampayana enlarged it to contain 24,000 verses
which was then known as the Bharata. Finally Sauti, the son of the
suta (the chariot driver) Lomaharshana, gave it present form as we see
now, containing 100,000 verses.
It has been mentioned earlier that just prior to the Mahabharata War,
a very rare event of three eclipses occurring within a lunar month
took place: a lunar eclipse followed by a solar one and then another
lunar eclipse. According to the text of Mahabharata, the solar eclipse
occurred just 13 days after the first lunar eclipse. Dr. S.
Balakrishna of NASA, USA, has searched all eclipse pairs, a lunar
eclipse followed by a solar eclipse after 13 days, that took place
from 3300 B.C. to 700 B.C., using the Lodestar pro-software. He found
that nearly 672 eclipse pairs have occurred within the said period,
out of which 27 pairs have been found to have less than 14 days time
gap. And according to Dr. Balakrishna, the eclipse pair of 2559 is the
best match with the description given in the text of Mahabharata. But
according to Dr. Kalyanaraman, the eclipses occurred in 3067 B.C.- the
lunar eclipse on 29th September at the asterism Krittika and the solar
eclipse on 14th October at the asterism Jyestha. Researcher Dr. P. V.
Holay examined 6 planetary configurations given in the Mahabharata and
concluded that the War began on 13th November, 3143 B.C.
But Dr. K. S. Raghavan and his coworker Dr. G. S. Sampath Iyengar,
using the Planetarium software came to the conclusion that the
Kurukshetra War began on 22nd day of November, 3067 B.C. (according to
the present Gregorian calendar). Professor Dr. Narahari Achar of the
University of Memphis, USA, also arrived at the same conclusion using
the said Planetarium software. Dr. S. Kalyanaraman of the Saraswati
River Research Centre, Chennai, found the estimates of Dr. K. S.
Raghavan and Dr. Narahari Achar correct and, on that basis, calculated
Lord Krishna, on His final peace mission, set out for Hastinapur on
26th September, 3067 B.C. when the moon was at the asterism Revati.
Lord Krishna arrived Hastinapur on 28th September, 3067 B.C., when the
moon was at the asterism Bharani. The full moon and lunar eclipse at
Krittika occurred on 29th September, 3067 B.C. The solar eclipse at
Jyestha occurred on 14th October, 3067 B.C. Lord Balarama set out for
pilgrimage on 1st November, 3067 B.C. The War began on 22nd November,
3067 B.C. Lord Balarama concluded His pilgrimage on 12th December,
3067 B.C. The winter solstice occurred on 13th January, 3066 B.C.
Bhishma died on 17th January, 3066 B.C. The comet Mahaghora appeared
at the asterism Pushya in October, 3066 B.C. inally, it should be
mentioned that the said seminar officially accepted that the
Mahabharata War began, as mentioned above, on 22nd November, 3067 B.C.
So it appears that the Mahabharata War took place, not in Dwapara Yuga
but, in the 35th year of the present Kali Yuga. It is not unlikely
because according to the text of Mahabharata, the War took place at
the juncture of Dwapara and Kali Yuga. Last year, (2005 A.D.),
astrologer Arun Kumar Bansal, using computer software, calculated date
of birth of Lord Krishna and it was 21st July, 3228 B.C. So it appears
that during the Mahabharata War, age of Lord Krishna was 161 years. At
the first sight, it may appear to be absurd. But it should be
mentioned here that, according to Hindu scriptures, the normal life
span of human beings is 400 years in Krita (or Satya), 300 years in
Treta, 200 years in Dwapara and 100 years in Kali Yuga. In fact,
during the Kurukshetra War, most of the military top brass of both
Kauravas and Pandavas were more than 100 years old.
To conclude, it should be mentioned here that the discovery of the
ruins of the city of Dwaraka by the renowned archaeologist Dr. S. R.
Rao, under the Arabian Sea, provides another strong evidence that Lord
Krishna and the story of Mahabharata were a reality and not simply
poet’s fancy.
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[Jahnu]

On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 11:13:00 -0800 (PST), "Syd M."

Nope.

Krishna says:

Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire
from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized
souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.


Having obtained real knowledge from a self-realized soul, you will
never fall again into such illusion, for by this knowledge you will
see that all living beings are but part of the Supreme, or, in other
words, that they are Mine.

Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when
you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge you will be
able to cross over the ocean of miseries.

As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire
of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities.

In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental
knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism. And
one who has become accomplished in the practice of devotional service
enjoys this knowledge within himself in due course of time.

A faithful man who is dedicated to transcendental knowledge and who
subdues his senses is eligible to achieve such knowledge, and having
achieved it he quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace.

But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures
do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting soul
there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next.

—Bhagavad-gita, 4.34-40


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