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Gronk
2024-12-22 06:45:45 UTC
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Why do some Christians not celebrate Christmas?
Here are the reasons some gave for kicking the
Christmas habit.


http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-Christmas.html
Should Christians celebrate Christmas?


http://www.letgodbetrue.com/bible/holidays/christmas.php
120 Reasons Against Christmas
We Don’t Celebrate Christmas Because . . .
. . . the LORD condemns using pagan religious
practices in His worship (Deut 12:29-31).
...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/12/23/war-on-christmas-trump-puritans-christians/

It was in the 1600s, and it was waged by
Christians — specifically Puritans — who hated
the Dec. 25 observance of Jesus’ birth so much
that they made it illegal in the Massachusetts
colony for decades.

To understand why, first we have to establish
how Christmas was celebrated back then. It was
not a holiday to visit family and exchange
gifts. There was no Santa Claus or reindeer or
special attention given to kids. There wasn’t
even a candlelight church service of lessons
and carols like many Christians attend today.

Christmas in the England the Puritans were
escaping was essentially a drunken riot.

Here’s how it generally went down, according
to Stephen Nissenbaum in his book “The Battle
for Christmas.” On Christmas Day, the lower
classes would dress up in strange costumes
to “invert” their roles: Men would dress up
as women, young boys as bishops, and the
lowliest peasant or the town drunk might be
declared the “Lord of Misrule.”

They would gather into a mob and go around to
the houses and estates of the well-to-do,
making a racket, singing bawdy songs and
demanding entry. Amazingly, most of the time
they were let in and given alcohol, food and
even money. There was gambling and promiscuity
(often leading to marriages at the end of the
misrule). Once the mob was satisfied, it would
move on to the next rich person’s estate.

These mobs would generally roam until
Epiphany — Jan. 6 — hence, “the twelve days
of Christmas.” But some places, the mobs
would carry on until February.
Anonymous
2024-12-22 07:03:22 UTC
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Why do some Christians not celebrate Christmas?
Here are the reasons some gave for kicking the
Christmas habit.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-Christmas.html
Should Christians celebrate Christmas?
http://www.letgodbetrue.com/bible/holidays/christmas.php
120 Reasons Against Christmas
We Don’t Celebrate Christmas Because . . .
. . . the LORD condemns using pagan religious
practices in His worship (Deut 12:29-31).
...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/12/23/war-on-christmas-trump-
puritans-christians/
It was in the 1600s, and it was waged by
Christians — specifically Puritans — who hated
the Dec. 25 observance of Jesus’ birth so much
that they made it illegal in the Massachusetts
colony for decades.
To understand why, first we have to establish
how Christmas was celebrated back then. It was
not a holiday to visit family and exchange
gifts. There was no Santa Claus or reindeer or
special attention given to kids. There wasn’t
even a candlelight church service of lessons
and carols like many Christians attend today.
Christmas in the England the Puritans were
escaping was essentially a drunken riot.
Here’s how it generally went down, according
to Stephen Nissenbaum in his book “The Battle
for Christmas.” On Christmas Day, the lower
classes would dress up in strange costumes
to “invert” their roles: Men would dress up
as women, young boys as bishops, and the
lowliest peasant or the town drunk might be
declared the “Lord of Misrule.”
They would gather into a mob and go around to
the houses and estates of the well-to-do,
making a racket, singing bawdy songs and
demanding entry. Amazingly, most of the time
they were let in and given alcohol, food and
even money. There was gambling and promiscuity
(often leading to marriages at the end of the
misrule). Once the mob was satisfied, it would
move on to the next rich person’s estate.
These mobs would generally roam until
Epiphany — Jan. 6 — hence, “the twelve days
of Christmas.” But some places, the mobs
would carry on until February.
The Anglosphere progressive left is directly descended from the Puritans.

That means YOU, faggot.
In the Name of Jesus
2024-12-22 22:15:33 UTC
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christmas-heres-why
Why do some Christians not celebrate Christmas?
Here are the reasons some gave for kicking the
Christmas habit.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-Christmas.html
Should Christians celebrate Christmas?
http://www.letgodbetrue.com/bible/holidays/christmas.php
120 Reasons Against Christmas
We Don’t Celebrate Christmas Because . . .
. . . the LORD condemns using pagan religious
practices in His worship (Deut 12:29-31).
...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/12/23/war-on-christmas-
trump- puritans-christians/
It was in the 1600s, and it was waged by
Christians — specifically Puritans — who hated
the Dec. 25 observance of Jesus’ birth so much
that they made it illegal in the Massachusetts
colony for decades.
To understand why, first we have to establish
how Christmas was celebrated back then. It was
not a holiday to visit family and exchange
gifts. There was no Santa Claus or reindeer or
special attention given to kids. There wasn’t
even a candlelight church service of lessons
and carols like many Christians attend today.
Christmas in the England the Puritans were
escaping was essentially a drunken riot.
Here’s how it generally went down, according
to Stephen Nissenbaum in his book “The Battle
for Christmas.” On Christmas Day, the lower
classes would dress up in strange costumes
to “invert” their roles: Men would dress up
as women, young boys as bishops, and the
lowliest peasant or the town drunk might be
declared the “Lord of Misrule.”
They would gather into a mob and go around to
the houses and estates of the well-to-do,
making a racket, singing bawdy songs and
demanding entry. Amazingly, most of the time
they were let in and given alcohol, food and
even money. There was gambling and promiscuity
(often leading to marriages at the end of the
misrule). Once the mob was satisfied, it would
move on to the next rich person’s estate.
These mobs would generally roam until
Epiphany — Jan. 6 — hence, “the twelve days
of Christmas.” But some places, the mobs
would carry on until February.
The Anglosphere progressive left is directly descended from the Puritans.
That means YOU, faggot.
I don't think that is a very nice thing to call my friend Gronk.

I mean, I don't know if he is one or not. He does behave a little
effeminate, but still, please don't disrespect my self-created friend.

Thank you.



In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible. Well, then, who is going to
speak?"

"It is all about the Lord in His glory and whether a man loves Him with
all for who He is."

"A son of God became the bible when he was born again because the Holy
Spirit took up residence in his heart as Lord."

"The veil of the temple was not rent in twain so that a bible could pass
as God."

"It is dreadfully difficult for religious people to repent of all they
are as they have spent their whole lives reinforcing to themselves that
they are "good sinners."
In the Name of Jesus
2024-12-22 21:28:06 UTC
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http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/christians-who-dont-celebrate-
christmas-heres-why
Why do some Christians not celebrate Christmas?
Here are the reasons some gave for kicking the
Christmas habit.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-Christmas.html
Should Christians celebrate Christmas?
http://www.letgodbetrue.com/bible/holidays/christmas.php
120 Reasons Against Christmas
We Don’t Celebrate Christmas Because . . .
. . . the LORD condemns using pagan religious
practices in His worship (Deut 12:29-31).
...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/12/23/war-on-christmas-
trump-puritans-christians/
It was in the 1600s, and it was waged by
Christians — specifically Puritans — who hated
the Dec. 25 observance of Jesus’ birth so much
that they made it illegal in the Massachusetts
colony for decades.
To understand why, first we have to establish
how Christmas was celebrated back then. It was
not a holiday to visit family and exchange
gifts. There was no Santa Claus or reindeer or
special attention given to kids. There wasn’t
even a candlelight church service of lessons
and carols like many Christians attend today.
Christmas in the England the Puritans were
escaping was essentially a drunken riot.
Here’s how it generally went down, according
to Stephen Nissenbaum in his book “The Battle
for Christmas.” On Christmas Day, the lower
classes would dress up in strange costumes
to “invert” their roles: Men would dress up
as women, young boys as bishops, and the
lowliest peasant or the town drunk might be
declared the “Lord of Misrule.”
They would gather into a mob and go around to
the houses and estates of the well-to-do,
making a racket, singing bawdy songs and
demanding entry. Amazingly, most of the time
they were let in and given alcohol, food and
even money. There was gambling and promiscuity
(often leading to marriages at the end of the
misrule). Once the mob was satisfied, it would
move on to the next rich person’s estate.
These mobs would generally roam until
Epiphany — Jan. 6 — hence, “the twelve days
of Christmas.” But some places, the mobs
would carry on until February.
Celebrating Christmas, and I do, mainly because my wife loves all the
things of Christmas, and we grew up with it and enjoyed family,
presents, holidays, and each other, but it is not essential either way.
However, your bible does say something about celebrating designated days.

(The Message Bible)
Rom 14:5 Or, say, one person thinks that some days should be set aside
as holy and another thinks that each day is pretty much like any other.
There are good reasons either way. So, each person is free to follow the
convictions of conscience.
Rom 14:6 What's important in all this is that if you keep a holy day,
keep it for God's sake; if you eat meat, eat it to the glory of God and
thank God for prime rib; if you're a vegetarian, eat vegetables to the
glory of God and thank God for broccoli.
Rom 14:7 None of us are permitted to insist on our own way in these matters.

By the way, do you celebrate your atheist primordial slime dump birthday?

Also, how do you feel about Santa? I personally like the idea of Santa
because it was fun as kids. Some self-righteous serving chlistern
Puritans of these days call Santa a malevolent lie, but kids are not
entirely stupid, and they grow out of the fantasy naturally. I mean, how
can a man in a red suit go down every chimney in the world in one night,
and even houses without chimneys! It is a good thing some windows were
left open!

We know that Santa is not real, but the tooth fairy is!

A child's world is FULL of wonder and fantasy and make-believe, but they
grow out of it; adults selfishly and self-servingly forget that!

A point of note: some of us grow out of the fantasy that there is no God
and that everything created itself.






In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible. Well, then, who is going to
speak?"

"It is all about the Lord in His glory and whether a man loves Him with
all for who He is."

"A son of God became the bible when he was born again because the Holy
Spirit took up residence in his heart as Lord."

"The veil of the temple was not rent in twain so that a bible could pass
as God."

"It is dreadfully difficult for religious people to repent of all they
are as they have spent their whole lives reinforcing to themselves that
they are "good sinners."
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