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What's the evidence that life is absurd and meaningless?
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Jahnu
2021-06-01 23:15:20 UTC
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The best example I can think of is death. In the face of death
everything becomes absurd and meaningless.

Another evidence that life is absurd is that no matter how hard we
labor to satisfy the bodily senses, we still don’t experience
satisfaction.

We want to be happy, but nobody in the history of mankind became happy
by sense-gratification. Still, we strive so hard to gratify our body
and mind. That’s absurd and meaningless, since it will never make you
satisfied. It will make you gratified but not satisfied.

In fact, sense-gratification is the root of our misery in the material
world. That’s the funny thing about sense-gratification - we engage in
sense-gratification to become happy, and instead, in the long rung, it
makes us unhappy. It gives us the exact opposite of what we are
looking for.

Krishna says:

“An intelligent person does not take part in the sources of misery,
which are due to contact with the material senses. O son of Kunti,
such pleasures have a beginning and an end, and so the wise man does
not delight in them.” (Bg 5.22)
JWS
2021-06-02 03:17:55 UTC
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What's the evidence that life is absurd and meaningless?
I think you just like playing the straight man.
Jahnu
2021-06-03 04:23:27 UTC
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Post by JWS
I think you just like playing the straight man.
I like playing may things.

Existence is bad because as embodied beings we live in the wrong
environment. We are like fish trying to be happy on dry land.

Existence is good for the soul, and bad for the body and mind.
Originally, the soul exists in eternity, knowledge and bliss. The body
and mind, however, exist in birth, death, old age and disease.

So we are all embodied beings. As long as we exist in samsara - the
endless cycle of birth and death - we will suffer or enjoy according
to our activities, life after life, but basically suffering the four
inherent miseries of material life.

The goal of the human life-form is for the soul to break free from
samsara and return to its original position of eternity, knowledge and
bliss.

Krishna says:

Humility; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity;
approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness; steadiness;
self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification;
absence of false ego; the perception of the evil of birth, death, old
age and disease; detachment; freedom from entanglement with children,
wife, home and the rest; even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant
events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me; aspiring to live in a
solitary place; detachment from the general mass of people; accepting
the importance of self-realization; and philosophical search for the
Absolute Truth - all these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this
whatever there may be is ignorance. --Bg 13.8-12

I shall now explain the knowable, knowing which you will taste the
eternal. Brahman, the spirit, beginningless and subordinate to Me,
lies beyond the cause and effect of this material world. --Bg 13.13
John Locke
2021-06-03 13:10:34 UTC
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What's the evidence that life is absurd and meaningless?
..you asked the wrong question. What you should have asked is
"What's the evidence that RELIGION is absurd and meaningless?"
And the answer is: It's blatantly self-evident ! ..if it smells rotten
you can rest assured that it's pretty offensive, nasty stuff !



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Jahnu
2021-06-06 00:25:33 UTC
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On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 06:10:34 -0700, John Locke
Post by John Locke
..you asked the wrong question.
Nope, I ask all the right questions. But a dumb animal like you don't
ask questions about life. You are content, like an animal, with eating
sleeping, mating and defending.

"Both animals and men share the activities of eating, sleeping, mating
and defending. But the special property of the humans is that they are
able to engage in spiritual life. Therefore without spiritual life,
humans are on the level of animals." --Hitopadesa

"One attains the human form of life after transmigrating through
8,400,000 species by the process of gradual evolution. That human life
is spoiled for those conceited fools who do not take shelter of the
lotus feet of Govinda."

--Brahma-vaivarta Purana
hhya...@gmail.com
2021-06-06 01:15:51 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
On Thu, 03 Jun 2021 06:10:34 -0700, John Locke
Post by John Locke
..you asked the wrong question.
Nope, I ask all the right questions. But a dumb animal like you don't
ask questions about life. You are content, like an animal, with eating
sleeping, mating and defending.
Moron, we all eat, sleep, mate and be responsible social animals just the same as lions and tigers!
You can choose to die if you do not want to live like that...no one bothers!
Jahnu
2021-06-07 04:05:31 UTC
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bitch moan whine
You don't find God. God finds you. God is in the hearts of all living
entities, and as soon as He sees a genuine desire develop in the heart
of a person to know Him, God will manifest Himself. IOW, God reserves
the right to not manifest Himself to the foolish and unintelligent.

God can only be found by someone to whom God shows Himself.
Those people who say - I see no evidence of God - God will stay away
from such persons. He will cover Himself by His yoga-maya.

The difference between between yoga-maya and maha-maya is that
yoga-maya is God's internal potency that covers Himself. Maha-maya is
God's external potency -His illusory potency, which covers the living
entities in ignorance.

Krishna says:

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I
am unborn and infallible. (Bg 7.25)

"The Supreme Lord is not obtained by expert explanations, by vast
intelligence, or even by much hearing. He is obtained only by one whom
He Himself chooses. To such a person, He manifests His own form."
(Mundaka Upanisad 3.2.3)
JWS
2021-06-07 08:13:45 UTC
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</some stuff>
Just a note to let you know I didn't read anything here
except your stupid title. I feel sorry for you.
Ted
2021-06-08 05:30:52 UTC
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Post by JWS
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Just a note to let you know I didn't read anything here
except your stupid title. I feel sorry for you.
LOL. That's all any of us ever read of Jesper's brainless tripe.
Jahnu
2021-06-11 02:43:46 UTC
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Post by Ted
LOL. That's all any of us ever read of Jesper's brainless tripe.
awwww, is it now I break down sobbing and beg forgiveness : D

Krishna says:

Material nature consists of three modes - goodness, passion and
ignorance. When the eternal living entity comes in contact with
nature, O mighty-armed Arjuna, he becomes conditioned by these modes.
- Bg 14.5

O sinless one, the mode of goodness, being purer than the others, is
illuminating, and it frees one from all sinful reactions. Those
situated in that mode become conditioned by a sense of happiness and
knowledge. - Bg 14.6

The mode of passion is born of unlimited desires and longings, O son
of Kunti, and because of this the embodied living entity is bound to
material fruitive actions. - Bg 14.7

O son of Bharata, know that the mode of darkness, born of ignorance,
is the delusion of all embodied living entities. The results of this
mode are madness, indolence and sleep, which bind the conditioned
soul. - Bg 14.8

O son of Bharata, the mode of goodness conditions one to happiness;
passion conditions one to fruitive action; and ignorance, covering
one's knowledge, binds one to madness. - Bg 14.9

Sometimes the mode of goodness becomes prominent, defeating the modes
of passion and ignorance, O son of Bharata. Sometimes the mode of
passion defeats goodness and ignorance, and at other times ignorance
defeats goodness and passion. In this way there is always competition
for supremacy. - Bg 14.10

The manifestation of the mode of goodness can be experienced when all
the gates of the body are illuminated by knowledge. - Bg 14.11

O chief of the Bharatas, when there is an increase in the mode of
passion the symptoms of great attachment, fruitive activity, intense
endeavor, and uncontrollable desire and hankering develop. -Bg 14.12

When there is an increase in the mode of ignorance, O son of Kuru,
darkness, inertia, madness and illusion are manifested. - Bg 14.13

When one dies in the mode of goodness, he attains to the pure higher
planets of the great sages. -Bg 14.14

When one dies in the mode of passion, he takes birth among those
engaged in fruitive activities; and when one dies in the mode of
ignorance, he takes birth in the animal kingdom. - Bg 14.15

The result of pious action is pure and is said to be in the mode of
goodness. But action done in the mode of passion results in misery,
and action performed in the mode of ignorance results in foolishness.
- Bg 14.16

From the mode of goodness, real knowledge develops; from the mode of
passion, greed develops; and from the mode of ignorance develop
foolishness, madness and illusion. - Bg 14.17

Those situated in the mode of goodness gradually go upward to the
higher planets; those in the mode of passion live on the earthly
planets; and those in the abominable mode of ignorance go down to the
hellish worlds. - Bg 14.18

When one properly sees that in all activities no other performer is at
work than these modes of nature and he knows the Supreme Lord, who is
transcendental to all these modes, he attains My spiritual nature. -Bg
14.19

When the embodied being is able to transcend these three modes
associated with the material body, he can become free from birth,
death, old age and their distresses and can enjoy nectar even in this
life. -Bg 14.20
hhya...@gmail.com
2021-06-11 02:48:57 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
Post by Ted
LOL. That's all any of us ever read of Jesper's brainless tripe.
awwww, is it now I break down sobbing and beg forgiveness : D
Yes, that would be a better solution for you, instead to hiding in the dark corner to sober...
Kurt Nicklas
2021-06-11 03:00:33 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
Post by Ted
LOL. That's all any of us ever read of Jesper's brainless tripe.
awwww, is it now I break down sobbing and beg forgiveness : D
Yes, that would be a better solution for you, instead to hiding in the dark corner to sober...
"sober" is not a verb, dummy.

"instead to hiding" is malformed, dummy.

Learn English, chicom.
hhya...@gmail.com
2021-06-11 03:30:15 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Jahnu
Post by Ted
LOL. That's all any of us ever read of Jesper's brainless tripe.
awwww, is it now I break down sobbing and beg forgiveness : D
Yes, that would be a better solution for you, instead to hiding in the dark corner to sober...
"sober" is not a verb, dummy.
"instead to hiding" is malformed, dummy.
I am in a better position to make language mistake than to be a racist like you...
Kurt Nicklas
2021-06-11 09:39:03 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Jahnu
Post by Ted
LOL. That's all any of us ever read of Jesper's brainless tripe.
awwww, is it now I break down sobbing and beg forgiveness : D
Yes, that would be a better solution for you, instead to hiding in the dark corner to sober...
"sober" is not a verb, dummy.
"instead to hiding" is malformed, dummy.
I am in a better position to make language mistake than to be a racist like you...
HAHAHA. You're in a "better position" because you come on an English
language newsgroup and make stupid mistakes over and over, chicom.

Combine that with the piss-poor chicom propaganda you push and it's a
fatal brew that gets you in trouble day after day.

It's like you're getting mud on your face because it's you who's stuck
himself in the riverbank.
hhya...@gmail.com
2021-06-11 12:17:54 UTC
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Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Jahnu
Post by Ted
LOL. That's all any of us ever read of Jesper's brainless tripe.
awwww, is it now I break down sobbing and beg forgiveness : D
Yes, that would be a better solution for you, instead to hiding in the dark corner to sober...
"sober" is not a verb, dummy.
"instead to hiding" is malformed, dummy.
I am in a better position to make language mistake than to be a racist like you...
HAHAHA. You're in a "better position" because you come on an English
language newsgroup and make stupid mistakes over and over, chicom.
I make language mistake because it ain't my mother language, you ignorant fool!!!!!
Post by Kurt Nicklas
Combine that with the piss-poor chicom propaganda you push and it's a
fatal brew that gets you in trouble day after day.
We all are people brought up by propaganda or brainwashing!
I am aware of it because I know better how the West unleashed their potent drug on you until you turn blue, yet have no courage to admit despite my exposure!!! That is the function of a broken head...just like your fantasy of a pixie which is never in existent!!!!!!
Post by Kurt Nicklas
It's like you're getting mud on your face because it's you who's stuck himself in the riverbank.
I can wash away the mud and face the world while you purposely hide behind it, think no one can see your filth!!!!
Jahnu
2021-06-11 22:06:18 UTC
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Ah is in a better position to make language sound stupid because Ah is a racist.
Of course you are.

God is fully enjoying His pastimes in the spiritual world, He has
absolutely no interest in His material creation. When Krishna wants to
play God, He expands as Vishnu who then creates material nature.
Nature works according to strict laws, and in nature the embodied
living beings suffer or enjoy according to their activities.

Material creation is under the law of karma, and God doesn't interfere
with that. In the material world we are free to be good or evil as we
like, and reap the results accordingly.

Mean-while, while we live and die repeatedly in material creation,
Krishna is enjoying His eternal pastimes. Krishna is even so kind that
he invites us to come back home and take part in His eternal pastimes.
Only Krishna can release us from samsara - the endless cycle of birth
and death.

Our real life begins when we petition Krishna to release us from
samsara and allow us to rejoin Him Goloka (Vaikuntha).

Krishna says:

From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all
are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But
one who attains to My abode, O son of Kunti, never takes birth again.
(Bg 8.16)

By human calculation, a thousand ages taken together form the duration
of Brahma's one day. And such also is the duration of his night. (Bg
8.17)

At the beginning of Brahma's day, all living entities become manifest
from the unmanifest state, and thereafter, when the night falls, they
are merged into the unmanifest again. (Bg 8.18)

Again and again, when Brahma's day arrives, all living entities come
into being, and with the arrival of Brahma's night they are helplessly
annihilated. (Bg 8.19)

Yet there is another unmanifest nature, which is eternal and is
transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is
supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is
annihilated, that part remains as it is. (Bg 8.20)

hhya...@gmail.com
2021-06-07 09:51:54 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
bitch moan whine
You don't find God. God finds you.
Your stupidity is never ending...and that you are drowning yourself in the dark!!!!
Jahnu
2021-06-08 03:15:01 UTC
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bitch moan whine
The best proof of God, in my mind, is logic, reason and common sense.
Anyone with a brain can understand the world didn't create itself out
of a bunch of chemicals.

Obviously, nobody is an atheist due to lack of evidence of God. In
fact, the last thing an atheist wants, is proof of God. The whole
world is proof of an intelligent designer. One becomes an atheist when
one does not want God in his life, not because there is no proof of
God. It's as simple as that.

I mean, I can understand why someone would be against certain
religions. The theology of the Abrahamic religions, for instance, is
largely sectarian nonsense.

But to deny the obvious intelligent design observable in nature, to
actually suggest the world created itself out of a bunch of chemicals,
that's just plain dumb.

Of course, only God can prove who He is, but there is ample empiric
proof of His existence. The irreducible complexity of living organisms
is the logical proof of the Intelligent Design of nature. So ID is a
direct, observable fact of nature. Thus, the irreducible complexity in
a single cell, is the empirical proof of God.

Irreducible complexity is like a car engine, where all the parts of
the engine are interdependent in their functions. The cylinders
function only in combination with the pistons, the pistons function
only in connection with the spark plugs, the spark plugs depend on the
electric system for their function, and son on. All the components of
the engine work only in combination with each-other.

In other words, a car engine is only functional as a complete unit. If
one component fails, the whole engine fails. Hence the term
irreducible complexity. Irreducible Complexity disproves the idea of
evolution - that the world evolved naturally with no principle of a
guiding intelligence behind it.

IOW, the idea that abiogenesis and evolution, with no guiding
intelligence behind it, produced all the living species, is basically
an affront to a working intellect.

To say, like atheists do, that the universe created itself out of a
bunch of chemicals, is like saying that a Mercedes Benz created itself
without any creative intelligence behind it.

Professor Werner Gitt, who works in the field of information science
writes:

"There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to
information, neither is there any physical process or material
phenomenon known that can do this. All languages, alphabets, and codes
that we know of, as well as the information spoken or written in them,
originated in minds. The blind faith of the atheist that the first
life was an exception to this fact is contrary to all known evidence."

(Werner Gitt, In the Beginning Was Information, 1997, p. 79)

In my mind, however, apart from the fact that the Intelligent Design
observable in nature is proof of God, and, say, if one's brain is not
equipped to handle logic and reason, the best proof of God is that you
become totally happy by adding Krishna to your life.

Someone may object - you also become happy by smoking some dope or
winning the lottery, or having sex, what's the difference? How is that
proof of God?

The thing about bodily or mental pleasures, though, is that they don't
make the soul happy. Connecting to Krishna makes the soul happy, and
contrary to sense-gratification, which always ends in misery and
leaves you frustrated, the happiness of the soul is a constant fact.
Not only does the happiness of the soul not end, it only increases
more and more. It's a deep and lasting bliss that is never interrupted
by suffering.

Sure, you may break a leg, your wife may leave you, your children may
think you're a complete loser, or you may be depressed due to lack of
money, but the deep satisfaction of Krishna consciousness, once
established, never leaves the heart. And that's the proof that Krishna
is God.

So, as the saying goes - the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Krishna says:

O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.

--Srimad Bhagavatam 11.14.12
hhya...@gmail.com
2021-06-08 09:18:44 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
bitch moan whine
The best proof of God, in my mind, is logic, reason and common sense.
Since all the believers lack those quality, there is never any proof for any pixie, of whatever color!!!!!!!!
Harry Krishna
2021-06-02 12:48:55 UTC
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2021 04:45:20 +0530, Jahnu <***@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Your posts, for a start.
hhya...@gmail.com
2021-06-03 09:32:43 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
The best example I can think of is death. In the face of death
everything becomes absurd and meaningless.
Anything biological has an end...why so absurd and meaningless ?
It is even more meaningless to live a life when your delusion of a pixie is non-existent!!!!!!!!!
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