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How Europe was overrun by Christians
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Jahnu
2018-10-14 04:28:17 UTC
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Christians complain a lot about the "persecutions" they allegedly
suffered in ancient Rome. Given that they were trying to destroy the
heathen spiritual values that had made Rome great in the first place,
it is not surprising that the heathens tried to defend themselves.

The Christian apologists also try to imply that heathenism somehow
just melted away before the Christian religion, as if the heathens
somehow saw "the error of their ways" and leapt to accept the
Christian god as soon as he was offered to them. What the Christians
don't like to remember is the very real persecution they inflicted, as
soon as they could, on heathens who chose to retain the faith of their
forebears.

Here is just a small sample of the atrocities that led to the
Christian destruction of heathen Europe:

Roman Empire

315 CE. Christianity becomes legal. From now on Pagan temples are
increasingly destroyed by Christian mobs. Some famous temples that are
ruined include the Sanctuary of Æsculapius, the Temple of Aphrodite in
Lebanon, the Heliopolis, the Temple of Serapis in Egypt, and many
others. Christian priests such as Cyril of Heliopolis and Mark of
Arethusa become renowned as "temple destroyers" . Pagan priests are
increasingly murdered, together with their heathen congregations.

356 CE. Pagan services are punishable by death. The Christian Emperor
Theodosius even murders children caught playing with the remains of
heathen statues. Pagan philosophers are cruelly murdered. Perhaps the
most revered heathen martyr is Hypatia of Alexandria, daughter of
Theon the mathematician. Urged on by St Cyril of Alexandria, a mob of
Christian fanatics dragged the world-famous philosopher from her
chariot, stripped her naked, hauled her to the church, and there
murdered her by scraping the flesh from her bones with sharp oyster
shells. Her mortal remains were then burned before the screaming
Christian hordes.

The slaughter of the Saxons

c. 550 CE. Germanic beliefs are outlawed in the Frankish kingdom. All
heathen temples and symbols are ordered to be destroyed. Heathen
songs, dances and holidays forbidden under pain of extreme punishment.
719 CE. Frankish Christian missionaries ravage Frisia with fire and
sword. January 774 CE. Charlemagne vows to convert the Saxons, or,
failing that, to wipe them out. 780 CE. Charlemagne decrees the death
penalty for all who fail to be baptised, who fail to keep Christian
festivals, who cremate their dead, who are hostile toward Christians,
etc etc.

782 CE. 4,500 Saxon nobles are beheaded in one day at Verden on the
Aller for refusing to convert. 804 CE. The last heathen resistance in
Saxony is put down. In thirty years of genocide, from 774 to 804, two
thirds of the Saxons have been killed.

The British Isles

597 CE. The Augustinian mission arrives in Kent. Its aim is to convert
heathen kings, who will then force the new religion on their
followers. The situation is confusing, because kings seldom live to a
great age, and their successors often repudiate the alien faith. 616
CE. Athelfrith, heathen king of Northumbria, defeats a huge Christian
crusade at Chester. 617 CE. Athelfrith slain at battle of River Idle.
His neurotic rival Edwin becomes king, and is subsequently converted
to Christianity, forcing his subjects to give up their old faith. 653
CE. King Sigibert foists Christianity on heathen Essex. 654 CE. Penda
of Mercia, the last great heathen Anglo-Saxon king, is slain by
Christians at the battle of Winwæd. Only Sussex and the Isle of Wight
hold out (for a short time) against Christianity. Late 8th century
onwards. Heathen Scandinavians settle all parts of British Isles.
1066 CE onwards. William the Conquerer is still passing laws against
paganism. Its last redoubt, in practice if not in theory, is the
Border counties which form a buffer between England and Scotland. 1603
CE. James VI of Scotland becomes also James I of England. He crushes
the Borderers and destroys their separate culture.

Scandinavia

994 CE. Olaf Tryggvason adopts Christianity in exchange for accepting
a vast amount of protection money from the English. Through a brutal
campaign that tolerates no opposition he "converts" Norway to
Christianity. With Norway fall Shetland, the Orkneys and the Faroes.
c.1000 CE. Olaf holds prominent Icelandic pagans hostage and demands
that Iceland accept the new religion. Iceland falls. After 1000 CE. On
the death of Olaf Norway returns gladly to paganism. 1016 CE. Olaf the
Stout, later called St Olaf, seizes the throne of Norway. He murders,
blinds and maims heathens. Heathen temples are ruthlessly robbed and
destroyed. Twelfth century CE. The great temple at Uppsala in Sweden
is destroyed by Christian fanatics.

Elsewhere It is impossible to estimate the numbers of Eastern
Europeans murdered by crusading Christians. The Teutonic Knights, for
instance, conquered heathen Prussia in 1226. All russians who refused
to convert to Christianity were murdered. The Lithuanians were a
heathen tribe who were attacked by the Teutonic Knights throughout the
13th century.

They held out successfully, with the help of religious refugees from
Prussia and Lettonia, until a monarchy emerged. King Mindaugas
betrayed the ancestral religion of his subjects in 1251, after which
Lithuania was forcibly converted to Christianity. It is equally
impossible to estimate the numbers of pagans murdered in the New World
by Christians. Columbus planted a cross wherever he went, vowing to
"do all the mischief that we can" to natives who refused to convert.

The Christians brought with them skills of torture that had been
refined on their own people in Europe for hundreds of years. One
Indian chief, Hatuey, fled with his people but was captured and burned
alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged
him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven,
rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where
the Christians went, he would rather go to hell." (Source: D.
Stannard, American Holocaust, Oxford University Press 1992.)

That same sentiment must have been expressed time after time in Europe
in the period when Odinists were offered a choice between converting
to Christianity or being tortured, maimed and killed. The 4,500 Saxon
nobles callously slaughtered by the Christian fanatic Charlemagne on
one day in 782 must have had similar thoughts. The Norse Sagas record
occasions when Christians tortured entire Odinist families in the hope
of forcing parents to convert, thereby sparing their children further
pain. Sometimes the children were stronger than their parents, urging
them not to yield and thereby bring disgrace on their ancestors.

Conclusion It is clear that Christianity prevailed over European
heathenism solely because Christians resorted to torture, murder, and
other clear breaches of the law that applied in those times, while the
heathens upheld the prevailing "rules of engagement" that they
considered to be honourable.



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Your Constitution Is In Error
2018-10-14 19:53:52 UTC
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On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 12:28:20 AM UTC-4, Jahnu wrote:


There is connection between the Last Super and the sack of Rome by the Vandals, the Visgoths and the Lombards....The story of the 7 sleepers of Ephesus confirms this interpretation of the sacred history.
Don't believe Edward Gibbon who in "his Decline and Fall Of the Roman Empire" blames the believers for the fall.
Post by Jahnu
Christians complain a lot about the "persecutions" they allegedly
suffered in ancient Rome. Given that they were trying to destroy the
heathen spiritual values that had made Rome great in the first place,
it is not surprising that the heathens tried to defend themselves.
The Christian apologists also try to imply that heathenism somehow
just melted away before the Christian religion, as if the heathens
somehow saw "the error of their ways" and leapt to accept the
Christian god as soon as he was offered to them. What the Christians
don't like to remember is the very real persecution they inflicted, as
soon as they could, on heathens who chose to retain the faith of their
forebears.
Here is just a small sample of the atrocities that led to the
Roman Empire
315 CE. Christianity becomes legal. From now on Pagan temples are
increasingly destroyed by Christian mobs. Some famous temples that are
ruined include the Sanctuary of Æsculapius, the Temple of Aphrodite in
Lebanon, the Heliopolis, the Temple of Serapis in Egypt, and many
others. Christian priests such as Cyril of Heliopolis and Mark of
Arethusa become renowned as "temple destroyers" . Pagan priests are
increasingly murdered, together with their heathen congregations.
356 CE. Pagan services are punishable by death. The Christian Emperor
Theodosius even murders children caught playing with the remains of
heathen statues. Pagan philosophers are cruelly murdered. Perhaps the
most revered heathen martyr is Hypatia of Alexandria, daughter of
Theon the mathematician. Urged on by St Cyril of Alexandria, a mob of
Christian fanatics dragged the world-famous philosopher from her
chariot, stripped her naked, hauled her to the church, and there
murdered her by scraping the flesh from her bones with sharp oyster
shells. Her mortal remains were then burned before the screaming
Christian hordes.
The slaughter of the Saxons
c. 550 CE. Germanic beliefs are outlawed in the Frankish kingdom. All
heathen temples and symbols are ordered to be destroyed. Heathen
songs, dances and holidays forbidden under pain of extreme punishment.
719 CE. Frankish Christian missionaries ravage Frisia with fire and
sword. January 774 CE. Charlemagne vows to convert the Saxons, or,
failing that, to wipe them out. 780 CE. Charlemagne decrees the death
penalty for all who fail to be baptised, who fail to keep Christian
festivals, who cremate their dead, who are hostile toward Christians,
etc etc.
782 CE. 4,500 Saxon nobles are beheaded in one day at Verden on the
Aller for refusing to convert. 804 CE. The last heathen resistance in
Saxony is put down. In thirty years of genocide, from 774 to 804, two
thirds of the Saxons have been killed.
The British Isles
597 CE. The Augustinian mission arrives in Kent. Its aim is to convert
heathen kings, who will then force the new religion on their
followers. The situation is confusing, because kings seldom live to a
great age, and their successors often repudiate the alien faith. 616
CE. Athelfrith, heathen king of Northumbria, defeats a huge Christian
crusade at Chester. 617 CE. Athelfrith slain at battle of River Idle.
His neurotic rival Edwin becomes king, and is subsequently converted
to Christianity, forcing his subjects to give up their old faith. 653
CE. King Sigibert foists Christianity on heathen Essex. 654 CE. Penda
of Mercia, the last great heathen Anglo-Saxon king, is slain by
Christians at the battle of Winwæd. Only Sussex and the Isle of Wight
hold out (for a short time) against Christianity. Late 8th century
onwards. Heathen Scandinavians settle all parts of British Isles.
1066 CE onwards. William the Conquerer is still passing laws against
paganism. Its last redoubt, in practice if not in theory, is the
Border counties which form a buffer between England and Scotland. 1603
CE. James VI of Scotland becomes also James I of England. He crushes
the Borderers and destroys their separate culture.
Scandinavia
994 CE. Olaf Tryggvason adopts Christianity in exchange for accepting
a vast amount of protection money from the English. Through a brutal
campaign that tolerates no opposition he "converts" Norway to
Christianity. With Norway fall Shetland, the Orkneys and the Faroes.
c.1000 CE. Olaf holds prominent Icelandic pagans hostage and demands
that Iceland accept the new religion. Iceland falls. After 1000 CE. On
the death of Olaf Norway returns gladly to paganism. 1016 CE. Olaf the
Stout, later called St Olaf, seizes the throne of Norway. He murders,
blinds and maims heathens. Heathen temples are ruthlessly robbed and
destroyed. Twelfth century CE. The great temple at Uppsala in Sweden
is destroyed by Christian fanatics.
Elsewhere It is impossible to estimate the numbers of Eastern
Europeans murdered by crusading Christians. The Teutonic Knights, for
instance, conquered heathen Prussia in 1226. All russians who refused
to convert to Christianity were murdered. The Lithuanians were a
heathen tribe who were attacked by the Teutonic Knights throughout the
13th century.
They held out successfully, with the help of religious refugees from
Prussia and Lettonia, until a monarchy emerged. King Mindaugas
betrayed the ancestral religion of his subjects in 1251, after which
Lithuania was forcibly converted to Christianity. It is equally
impossible to estimate the numbers of pagans murdered in the New World
by Christians. Columbus planted a cross wherever he went, vowing to
"do all the mischief that we can" to natives who refused to convert.
The Christians brought with them skills of torture that had been
refined on their own people in Europe for hundreds of years. One
Indian chief, Hatuey, fled with his people but was captured and burned
alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged
him to take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven,
rather than descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where
the Christians went, he would rather go to hell." (Source: D.
Stannard, American Holocaust, Oxford University Press 1992.)
That same sentiment must have been expressed time after time in Europe
in the period when Odinists were offered a choice between converting
to Christianity or being tortured, maimed and killed. The 4,500 Saxon
nobles callously slaughtered by the Christian fanatic Charlemagne on
one day in 782 must have had similar thoughts. The Norse Sagas record
occasions when Christians tortured entire Odinist families in the hope
of forcing parents to convert, thereby sparing their children further
pain. Sometimes the children were stronger than their parents, urging
them not to yield and thereby bring disgrace on their ancestors.
Conclusion It is clear that Christianity prevailed over European
heathenism solely because Christians resorted to torture, murder, and
other clear breaches of the law that applied in those times, while the
heathens upheld the prevailing "rules of engagement" that they
considered to be honourable.
https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das
http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Kevrob
2018-10-14 22:08:53 UTC
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Post by Jahnu
Christians complain a lot about the "persecutions" they allegedly
suffered in ancient Rome.
....

[snip]
Post by Jahnu
Conclusion It is clear that Christianity prevailed over European
heathenism solely because Christians resorted to torture, murder, and
other clear breaches of the law that applied in those times, while the
heathens upheld the prevailing "rules of engagement" that they
considered to be honourable.
This is not news to most a.a regulars. Of course, dissing
Christianity, however deservedly, doesn't mean Hindu myths
are true.

---
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Jahnu
2018-10-15 00:27:00 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
This is not news to most a.a regulars. Of course, dissing
Christianity, however deservedly, doesn't mean Hindu myths
are true.
Of course not. Who ever claimed that? It's like, just because one
rejects the Church doesn't mean myths like evolution and abiogenesis
are true.

The law of karma directs that people create their own destinies
according to their own activities - how they treat other living
entities. Or, like it says in the Bible - as you sow you shall reap.

Note, how this statement from the Bible does not make sense without
reincarnation. We reap right from our very birth. We reap a certain
family, destiny, gender, nationality, abilities etc. When would we
have sown that if not in a past life?

So the law of karma can be understood properly only in connection with
reincarnation. The destiny of a person in this life is created over
many previous lives. In a nutshell it can be said that the suffering
and enjoyment, or the destiny, a person experiences right now is the
result of activities performed in the past, even in past life-times,
and the activities performed right now will result in our future
suffering or enjoyment.

In contrast to this we have the material conception of things -
whether I am born into a nice, caring, wealthy family, with good looks
and good education, or I get born to a junkie mother and an abusive
father; whether I am born as the king of Arabia or I'm born in Syria
to a family on the run from bombings and war - it is all just up to
good or bad luck.

Many people now a days seem to be quite comfortable with that belief.

But if you adhere to the atheistic idea that everything is ultimately
random chance, what you're really saying is that you don't know the
reason behind a person’s destiny. If everything is happening by
chance, it just means you don't know the reason behind it. You are
professing ignorance and trying to make that into some kind of noble
reasoning.

It does not make sense, however, to willfully take away one’s ability
to influence one's ow destiny. How can you guard yourself against
random happenings? The answer is, you can’t, except by an endless line
of feverish patch-work.

As an atheist you will live your whole in a reactionary mode. But if
you know about karma, you can take control of your own life in a very
real way. You can create your own destiny. Rather than constantly
react to what happens in your life, you can prevent unwanted things
from happening in the future by modifying your actions in the present.

Krishna says:

One who is not envious but is a kind friend to all living entities,
who does not think himself a proprietor and is free from false ego,
who is equal in both happiness and distress, who is tolerant, always
satisfied, self-controlled, and engaged in devotional service with
determination, his mind and intelligence fixed on Me – such a devotee
of Mine is very dear to Me. —Bg 12.13-14

Work done as a sacrifice for Visnu has to be performed; otherwise work
causes bondage in this material world. Therefore, O son of Kunti,
perform your prescribed duties for His satisfaction, and in that way
you will always remain free from bondage. —Bg 3.9




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https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Christopher A. Lee
2018-10-17 16:00:03 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Post by Jahnu
Christians complain a lot about the "persecutions" they allegedly
suffered in ancient Rome.
....
[snip]
Post by Jahnu
Conclusion It is clear that Christianity prevailed over European
heathenism solely because Christians resorted to torture, murder, and
other clear breaches of the law that applied in those times, while the
heathens upheld the prevailing "rules of engagement" that they
considered to be honourable.
This is not news to most a.a regulars. Of course, dissing
Christianity, however deservedly, doesn't mean Hindu myths
are true.
Don't forget, Jesper is as much a Hindu as Moonies are Christians.
It's a cult, and most Hindus see them the way Christians see Moonies.
Post by Kevrob
---
Kevin R
a.a #2310
Malcolm McMahon
2018-10-17 15:49:51 UTC
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On Sunday, 14 October 2018 05:28:20 UTC+1, Jahnu wrote:
Olaf is one of my favourite saints. Offering Vikings a choice between conversion and decapitation seems, at least, culturally appropriate.
Christopher A. Lee
2018-10-17 15:53:04 UTC
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:49:51 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Post by Malcolm McMahon
Olaf is one of my favourite saints. Offering Vikings a choice between conversion and decapitation seems, at least, culturally appropriate.
B..b...but Christianity is a religion of peace and love.
Jahnu
2018-10-18 00:16:53 UTC
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:49:51 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Post by Malcolm McMahon
Olaf is one of my favourite saints. Offering Vikings a choice between conversion and decapitation seems, at least, culturally appropriate.
No doubt the pagans of yore wewre much closer to the truth than the
Church that came later.


If one does not accept the Vedic Version of karma and reincarnation,
one is left with the unfortunate problem present in the Church - God
is a whimsical bastard, who throws people down to earth to suffer or
enjoy different destinies. Some are born with a silver-spoon in their
mouth to a life in glory and opulence while others are born in Syria
during an attack of F16s.

Even after 2000 years the Church has not managed to give a credible,
lucid explanation to this probelm. Still there are fanatics who claim
that the Bible constitutes the only true words of God. They declare
that God could not do better than the Bible. That is tantamount to
deride God and give Him a bad name.

But in the Vedic Version the theodisé question poses no problem. The
sages of the Vedic tradition had solved the theodisé problem already
thousands of years before anyone had thought of Christianity.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

Dr. Ian Stevenson has conduced scientific research that strongly
suggests reincarnation is a fact. Besides, karma and reincarnation is
described in the Bible, with the words - As you sow, you shall reap.
Note, how this statement is meaningless without reincarnation. It's
obvious that one reaps from his very birth. One reaps a certain body,
nation, gender, society, destiny etc. When would you have sown what
you reap at birth, unless in a previous life?





https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Malcolm McMahon
2018-10-18 09:34:57 UTC
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Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:49:51 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Post by Malcolm McMahon
Olaf is one of my favourite saints. Offering Vikings a choice between conversion and decapitation seems, at least, culturally appropriate.
No doubt the pagans of yore wewre much closer to the truth than the
Church that came later.
They had the virtue of not pretending that their Gods were anything but powerful, immortal men with superpowers. None of that spiritual crap.
Jahnu
2018-10-19 00:15:38 UTC
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 02:34:57 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Post by Malcolm McMahon
They had the virtue of not pretending that their Gods were anything but powerful, immortal men with superpowers. None of that spiritual crap.
The very fact that you are alive is spiritual. Your body and mind are
just dead matter.

To describe the Vedic Version of reality, the analogy of a computer is
appropriate. The body is the hardware, the mind is the software, and
the self (or the soul) is the user. The mind is like a soft-ware which
is meant to interact with material nature in such a way as to minimize
suffering and maximize happiness. If one gets to know how to work this
software, the beneficial effects on the mind become an observable
fact. It is a direct empirical fact that the human mind works best
when applied to the Vedic model.

In the present age of Kali, people are unhappy and frustrated, and
that is because they have created a mechanistic, impersonal conception
of nature. They don't understand how nature is a person, how
everything is a person. They don't understand that not all the wealth,
bodily gratification, or power and prestige will be able to slake our
thirst for happiness and satisfaction in life.

Krishna says:

One who is not connected with the Supreme [in Krishna consciousness]
can have neither transcendental intelligence nor a steady mind,
without which there is no possibility of peace. And how can there be
any happiness without peace? (Bg. 2.66)

O learned Uddhava, those who fix their consciousness on Me, giving up
all material desires, share with Me a happiness that cannot possibly
be experienced by those engaged in sense gratification.
--Srimad Bhagavatam 11.14.12

The happiness for which we are all looking can be obtained only by
knowing ourselves, nature and God, as they are. In the modern culture
there are no programs for psychic welfare - none that work, anyway,
except drugs manufactured by big corporations, or some ignorant
therapy. According to the Vedic Version it is our collective psyche
that forms the material world. By manipulating one's own psyche one
can manipulate matter - both gross matter in the form of ether, air,
fire, water, and earth, and subtle matter in the form of thoughts,
feelings, will-power, intelligence, and false ego.

We live in a culture dedicated to machines. In a better and more
healthy society, one learns how nature is a result of one's
consciousness. A culture based on exploiting nature's resources in the
interest of business-interests will not have peoples' welfare in
sight. People in the modern culture think they are not being
controlled. They think they are enlightened have a say about
government, that everything is run by democracy and equality. Yet
another lie people grow up with in consumer-society.

Modern people are largely well-educated technocrats, and they have
arranged an entire civilization around it. But these well-educated
enlightened people are no less manipulated, controlled and exploited
than people were during the middle-ages. People still follow the blind
masses, going with the flow. The only way out of this grind, is
genuine God-Consciousness.

And you don't have to take my word for it. The Bhakti-process
advocated in the Bhagavad Gita and the Bhagavat Purana is a scientific
process, that work's whether you believe it or not. You can know that
Krishna is God with same finality as you know, two plus two is four.
All you have to do is test the method with an open mind.

Krishna says:

Now hear, O son of Pritha, how by practicing yoga in full
consciousness of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in
full, free from doubt. (Bg. 7.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)





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https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

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http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
Jahnu
2018-12-08 09:58:07 UTC
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:49:51 -0700 (PDT), Malcolm McMahon
Post by Malcolm McMahon
Olaf is one of my favourite saints. Offering Vikings a choice between conversion and decapitation seems, at least, culturally appropriate.
No doubt the pagans of yore were much closer to the truth than the
Church that came later.


If one does not accept the Vedic Version of karma and reincarnation,
one is left with the unfortunate problem present in the Church - God
is a whimsical bastard, who throws people down to earth to suffer or
enjoy different destinies. Some are born with a silver-spoon in their
mouth to a life in glory and opulence while others are born in Syria
during an attack of F16s.

Even after 2000 years the Church has not managed to give a credible,
lucid explanation to this probelm. Still there are fanatics who claim
that the Bible constitutes the only true words of God. They declare
that God could not do better than the Bible. That is tantamount to
deride God and give Him a bad name.

But in the Vedic Version the theodisé question poses no problem. The
sages of the Vedic tradition had solved the theodisé problem already
thousands of years before anyone had thought of Christianity.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

Dr. Ian Stevenson has conduced scientific research that strongly
suggests reincarnation is a fact. Besides, karma and reincarnation is
described in the Bible, with the words - As you sow, you shall reap.
Note, how this statement is meaningless without reincarnation. It's
obvious that one reaps from his very birth. One reaps a certain body,
nation, gender, society, destiny etc. When would you have sown what
you reap at birth, unless in a previous life?





https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM

The Chief Castrator Of Jews
2018-10-20 19:15:44 UTC
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How Europe was overrun by Christians
Tell us how Europe was overrun by the polytheists, idolaters, those who bowed before cows, those who practice White Magic, the followers of goddess Diana, the hedonists, the diviners, those who sacrificed to the emperors as to a god, the epicureans, the stoics, the Cynics, NeoPlatonism... etc.
The we will tell you how the believers cleaned up that mess; Oh, you who bow before a cow your god besides those millions gods that Hinduism can count.
Jahnu
2018-10-20 22:21:31 UTC
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 12:15:44 -0700 (PDT), The Chief Castrator Of Jews
Post by The Chief Castrator Of Jews
Tell us how Europe was overrun by the polytheists, idolaters, those who bowed before cows, those who practice White Magic, the followers of goddess Diana, the hedonists, the diviners, those who sacrificed to the emperors as to a god, the epicureans, the stoics, the Cynics, NeoPlatonism... etc.
The we will tell you how the believers cleaned up that mess; Oh, you who bow before a cow your god besides those millions gods that Hinduism can count.
hahaha :) Look at this useless inbred piece of shit. He hasn't even
figured out about line-breaks yet. Come back when you have something
intelligible to say, retard.

Faith is an unavoidable quality of life. Nobody can exist without
faith, Everyone believes in something and that conviction determines
our activities and way of life.

I would venture that the faith of our ancestors were closer to reality
than the faith of modern man.

In the modern world, people in general have faith in the way they were
brought up and in the daily activities they perform. They have faith
in their culture and way of life.

People have faith in different "isms," like Nationalism, Atheism,
Marxism, Empiricism, Feminism, Globalism, Hinduism, Darwinism, Racism,
etc.

So the question is not whether or not to have faith but rather what do
we choose to place our faith in. That's a basic choice everyone has to
make in life.

Some people reflect over their faith, and wonder why they think like
they do, but most people of the world today belong in the category of
the broad masses who accept what they are brought up to believe as
gospel truth.

Regardless of that, the faith or conviction of a person, whether
rational or not, will determine the course of his activities in life
and thus behavioral patterns will evolve. In other words, people act
in accordance with their faith and conviction.

So the bottom line is that everyone, whether they call themselves
Atheists, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Democrats or whatever,
subscribes to some kind of tenets or beliefs on which they base their
outlook in life.

In Atheism, for instance, there is a claim to have no faith, but
people with that outlook are strongly convinced that there is no
eternal soul; they believe the self is the body and that life is meant
to satisfy the bodily urges of eating, sleeping, mating and defending.

They have faith that awareness or consciousness is nothing more than
neuro-chemical reactions in the brain. Thus, to them there is no
higher meaning to life other than what the individual makes of it.

Other people have faith that there is a supreme intelligence guiding
and controlling everything, and which is the original cause of all
things.

Even persons who claim to have no faith will still have to concede,
that that very claim is based on faith.

The people who claim they only believe in facts, still believe in
material theories like Evolution and Big Bang.

Since we have to have faith in something, it makes more sense to place
our faith God or a Supreme Person rather than placing our faith in
blind natural laws or the big nothingness. The thing is, if everything
ultimately happens by chance, it leads to a bleak outlook in life.
This is also why, the more atheistic people become, the more depressed
and miserable they become. It's a statistical fact.

How can we ever hope to control our own destiny if everything happens
by chance? In that case we can't hope to control our own suffering and
enjoyment because if our suffering and enjoyment is random it means we
can't do anything about it. That means we are pawns in the hands of
nature with no real influence on the workings of matter, except
through politics and economics.

Contrary to that scenario, there is the holistic idea - we all are
part of the same whole. The religion of the Vedas is the original
belief-system in human society which holds that harmony will only
evolve when individuals give up their selfish pursuits, and come
together to serve the complete whole.

If we don't serve the complete whole we are bound to be serving our
own little spheres of interest.

But who can honestly say that he or she became satisfied by serving
the senses and the senses of loved ones? The path to true satisfaction
lies in giving up ego-centered pursuits and serving the complete whole
- Krishna. Only such a course of action will bring lasting
satisfaction to the self. The basic misunderstanding in the modern way
of life is to confuse the self with the body and mind.

That's why no one can find satisfaction in the material world and
frustration is widespread, because it is actually not possible to
satisfy the real self or the eternal soul by trying to satisfy the
body and mind.

It is like trying to satisfy a bird in a cage by polishing the cage.
The self is the soul, the eternal observer within the gross body and
subtle mind.

And because the self is unchanging and eternal it cannot find real
satisfaction in the non-permanent sphere of the body and mind.

The body and mind are constantly going through changes, but the self
is an eternal, atomic particle of consciousness for whom there is no
birth or death or old age. Therefore the conscious self cannot find
satisfaction in a world of repeated birth and death. How can we find
satisfaction when we know you are soon going to die, except by
forgetting about it?

Therefore a conditioned living entity is willing to completely forget
about the fact that he is headed for death and that in the face of
death, ultimately everyone's hopes and aspirations are rendered
meaningless.

Of course, we don't think like that. We just go on in life as if we
are never going to die and that this life is the only chance we will
ever get to obtain happiness. So, in the meantime, while we are
waiting for death, we try to find so many causes to believe in, but
since everything is transient in the material world, whatever we place
our faith in, changes, and becomes something else than we expected.

The only solution to the problems of finding our real identity is to
accept divinely inspired knowledge descending from Krishna, and which
furthermore has been recorded and transcribed in the Vedas, the most
comprehensive body of knowledge known to mankind.

The essence of Vedic knowledge has been delivered and made accessible
to the people of this fallen age by Srila Prabhupada, who comes in the
ancient disciplic succession from Krishna Himself. Anything else is
mental speculation. So there is faith based on speculation, and faith
based on fact.

The process of Krishna Consciousness or devotional service is faith
based on facts.

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)



https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

http://youtu.be/B46rjU_q_cM
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